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Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel

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FALSE SIR JOHN
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LADY ISABEL AND THE ELF-KNIGHT
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Subject: Lyr Req: KY version of Lady Isabel
From: celticblues5
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 12:01 PM

Hi, all -

Came across a reference to a version of Lady Isabel and the Elf-Knight from Clark & Fayette Counties in KY which involves "an Indian princess" lured away from the tribe by white traders.

Anyone know a source/lyrics for this? I'm particularly interested because I had ancestors from Clark Co. - plus it just sounds like an interesting version, with sociological implications.

Thanks!

Judith


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: KY version of Lady Isabel
From: celticblues5
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:19 PM

No response, so am bringing this back up to the top, in hopes someone who didn't see it the first time is now online. :-)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: KY version of Lady Isabel
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:36 PM

Saw it; found nothing useful. Bronson has several Kentucky sets, none of which fit your description. I'd guess at a modern re-write with no basis in tradition, but you may get more help if you can be a little more specific about that "reference". Where did it come from? What exactly did it say?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: KY version of Lady Isabel
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:04 PM

A John Jacob Niles rewrite ?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: KY version of Lady Isabel
From: celticblues5
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:40 AM

Sorry, can't cite the source. Just found it among other folklore notes I'd copied out of a book years ago, little bits of local patois and such - just for interest and using as background for writing, not organized research or anything, so didn't keep source notes. Rereading the notes these long years later, and this jumped out at me.   

Thanks for taking the time to respond.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: KY version of Lady Isabel
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:59 AM

An interpretation of 'KY' would be useful, because some people know it as something that isn't even remotely connected with music and are now very confused.....

I am not one of these.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: KY version of Lady Isabel
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 03:15 AM

Kentucky, Liz...
Those two-letter post office designations for states confuse many of us in the States, too. I spent a couple days in Kentucky last year, "down by the Green River, where Paradise lay." Very pretty place.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 01:51 PM

Try under the name Lady Ishbel (note spelling).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: Felipa
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 04:27 PM

opening up this query again for what would be an unusual version of the Outlandish Knight


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: cnd
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 04:36 PM

The book suggested by 999 back in 2012 can be seen here. Here are the potential lyrics Judith was looking for, with an (abbreviated) as sung by Mrs. Hattie Melton of Allenstand, NC:

1. He followed her up and he followed her down,
He followed her where she lay,
And she not havin' the strength to withstand,
Nor the breath to say him nay.

2. "Go fetch me a sack of the old lord's gold,
And most of your mama's fee,
And a pited hoss and an iron-gray,
From your stable of thirty-and-three."

3. If Ishbel did ride at the villian's side,
With the gold and her mama's fee,
She was ridin' far off to the broad seaside,
Where married she would be.

4. "Get down, get down, my right pretty miss,
Your hour has come, I see,
For here I've drownded nine young ladies gay,
And you the tenth one will be.

5. "Pull off, pull off that shiny silk gown,
And them right pretty rings you own,
For women's clothes cost too much gold
To rest in the salt sea foam."

6. "It's turn, oh turn, oh turn your head,
And look at yon green-growin' tree,
For if I doff my shiny silk gown,
A naked lady you'll see."

7. He turned his face around about,
To look at that green-growin' tree,
And she grabbed him round the middle so small,
And she flicked him into the sea.

8. "Lay there, false villian, lay cold and dead,
Lay there in room of me,
For it's nine gay ladies you've drownded here,
But the tenth one drownded ye."

9. Her pited hoss tuck her right quickly home.
She led the iron-gray,
And when she entered her father's hall,
The sky was breakin' day.

10. "Speak none of my pranks, my right pretty poll,
Else I'll make you out a liar.
But if you be wise, your cage shall be made
Of pretty golden wire."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: cnd
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 04:37 PM

Scratch the part of that introductory message that doesn't make sense. I decided not to include John Jacob Niles' introduction to the text or Mrs. Melton's introduction.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: Felipa
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 06:32 PM

CND, the reason I posted those lyrics today at https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=169426 instead of on this discussion thread is that this version does not appear to answer celticblues5 intriguing query about re a song in which the woman who is abducted is a native American.

When I tried searching online for stories of an "Indian princess" abducted by a white trader, all I got from the search engine was stories of settler women abducted by natives!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 10:14 AM

Felipa, are you familiar with the true story of Pocahontas? 17th century Indian princess married an English captain and came to live in London where she was something of a celebrity before she died. Not really abduction though.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: cnd
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 12:35 PM

Sorry Felipa, I didn't realize you had posted it elsewhere.

In hindsight, the prefaced introduction is probably what Judith was referring to in her original request.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 02:36 PM

http://www.folklorist.org/song/Lady_Isabel_and_the_Elf_Knight


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Kentucky version of Lady Isabel
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 12:46 PM

Shenandoah?


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