BS: Crybabia

Subject: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:35 AM

I propose the formation of a new country.

The Nation of Crybabia:

All of the sore losers from the recent election should pool their resources and buy a suitable piece of land somewhere like Siberia and form their own Nation of Crybabia.

In this Crybabia, no one would ever suffer hardships.
No one would ever die or lack free medical care.
Taxes would be optional and not required.
They would never have to make sacrifices to accommodate other people.
They would never have to resort to violence to defend themselves.
There would only be one candidate to vote for whose beliefs agree with everyone.
People would be free to marry with any number of individuals of any sex or breed of animal or any relative at any age.
People could fornicate at will and abortions would always be available at any stage of pregnancy.
Illegal aliens could enter at will and take share the resources that others have provided.
Building materials and energy would be cheap and come from outside of Crybabia to preserve the natural resources and prevent pollution.
Automobiles would produce no pollution and be absolutely crash proof so that an individual would be safe regardless of their carelessness.
Lawyers would be available 24x7 to alleviate any injustice and collect huge punitive damages form any suspected offender.
Business would be completely at risk to any complaint, warranted or not, required to pay top wages and not allowed to make a profit.
Working would be an option and the government of Crybabia would provide everything for non-workers.

Who Wants to sign up?

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:37 AM

This country already exists, it's called France.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:44 AM

You still wouldn't be happy. Make the best of what you've got already sez I!
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:45 AM

Hey Bullwinkle,... When gas goes up to $5 a gallon, and you can't figure how to blame Democrats... I expect all them Red states are going to declare for Crybabia...
Cheers,
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:48 AM

Larry:

You can always opt in for Crybabia

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:54 AM

Bullwinkle - you are spinning again. What you are interpreting as "crybaby" is simply healthy disagreement. I know you would love to shut everyone up that doesn't think like you do, but it won't happen. Perhaps there is a fantasy land for you somewhere?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:59 AM

Boo Fucking Hoo

All I have done is layed out the country that the loosers want.

It's perfect like every country should be.

What's not to like?

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:06 AM

There's already a Crybabia. It was founded the minuted Clinton was elected for the first time. Even now, when Clinton has been out of office for almost four years, we still hear representatives from Crybabia whining about how Clinton stole their agenda, killed Santa Claus, and kidnapped the Lindberg baby.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: The Beast of Farlington
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:16 AM

Bullwinkle

And you wonder why those of us overseas sometimes associate the Republicans with brash, arrogant inhumanity? The world is not that simple. Shame you have to ridicule those who have a different view (like the United Nations)

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:19 AM

Some other Crybabia classics:

"Whine... gas is getting too expensive! It's getting too expensive for me to go joyriding in my Hummer. Whine... we want the best education system in the workd, but we don't want to PAY for it... why can't those commie pinko teachers work for free? Whine... I want to pay less for everything I want (which is everything)... we need more slave labor... I know! Well get children in Malaysia to make our cheap stuff for nothing! Whine... I want! I want! I want! I want more... I want more... more, more, more, more, more, more, and bigger and better, and I don't care who has to die or how much of the world has to be destroyed so I can have it! Fuck you world! I WANT! WHINE"

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Once Famous
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:27 AM

some of you overseas can't even have a monetary system that works for your country.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:31 AM

My response to higher prices is to shop and find the best price, not to whine about it.
I drive vehicles that get decent gas mileage.
My wife is a teacher, makes faily good money and works 12 hours a day.
I have just about everything I need. I did order a load of dirt today for something I am building.

I don't really have any complaints and I realize how well we have it in America, so much so that others are literally dying to get here.

I feel no need to invest in Crybabia.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:55 AM

Well after four years of disaster, your political party is still pointing the finger at the minority party... kind'a crybaby... aint it?
Cheers
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Dead Horse
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:58 AM

Are you saying that the losers actually WANT lawyers?
No wonder they are losers.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:03 PM

Exactly Bullwinkle - boo fucking hoo. We are here and you are just going to have to deal with it. You can't fight progess, and progress takes time.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: DougR
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:08 PM

Bullwinkle: methinks you have hit a sore spot with lots of Mudcatters. Sounds exactly like the kind of country they are seeking. One suggestion though: you might want to consider a pool of young men and women from another country that could be forced to defend all those good things the country provides, so that the citizens do not have to defend themselves. Maybe it could be called a "draft" or something.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:16 PM

Hey Bullwinkle, that old trick never works.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:19 PM

"Midnight....not a thought on the pavement...."

Everybody sounds like a crybaby to those with the opposite opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:21 PM

You'll have the lights turned on and the beds all made ready for us when we get there, right DougR? All hail, DougR, President ...King ...EMPEROR of Crybabia!

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:22 PM

I don't care about labels- crybaby or loser or conspiracy theorist or whatever the real losers in the democratic process come up with. I am asking: WHAT IF? If you - and we- become convinved that this is true, will it be something you can - and will- defend? Will you remain so blinded in your idolatrous trotting behind your standard bearer that you don't want to have this charge examined? Do you dare to have it opened to examination? If it is not true, it cannot hurt you; if it is true, we must know.


CLICK, If You Dare


"The hot story in the Blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all - it was the numbers produced by paperless voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all times: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?"

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:27 PM

True, Ebbie. If they didn't have anything to hide, they wouldn't be working so hard to hide it.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:31 PM

Reading between the lines from the post above:

"Bull^.win^.kle" = another non-music BSer here at Mudcat. One whose wife apparently works 12 hours a day to support him while he shovels dirt.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:52 PM

Martin G, I reckon the pound is pretty strong against the dollar at the moment. Us overseas folk aint so badly done to!!.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Once Famous
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:56 PM

You mean a pound of pot, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:04 PM

Ebbie - What you suggest is not only possibe, it is becoming more and more probable all the time. I can plainly see, from the vantage point of my own country Canada, a society to the south of me that is being transformed bit by bit into George Orwell's "1984" nightmare. This is being done through "manufactured consent", which is accomplished by having a centrally-controlled media that feeds people information and entertainment deliberately calculated to brainwash them into supporting a centralized dictatorship. They are deluded into imagining all sorts of outside threats (most of which are completely unreal) and supporting wars against those supposed threats, when it is really their government that is the aggressor. They are further deluded into policing each other in the homeland through heightened paranoia, so that they can eventually be used as the government's agents to inform on and police their own neighbours (those who express unconventional views about anything.) The intention is to create a dictatorship over a people by convincing them that they are "free" and by making them their OWN jailers.

It's blatantly obvious when seen from the outside, but not so obvious to most Americans when they are living in the middle of it.

This is basically what the Nazis did with the German people in 1933-45. They achieved manufactured consent (and fervent patriotism) through a combination of similar tactics. They invented fictional enemies to fear and obsess about. They arranged for (or simply took advantage of) a terrorist attack (on the Reichstag) to cement their political control. They convinced the population that it was defending its own security, and most people went right along with it.

But...the Nazis did not have computers. They did not have the ability to electronically forge a vote, to digitally alter a visual image, to alter any visible reality with the push of a computer key and then televise it the way they wanted people to see it!

Your present leaders do have those abilities.

As they digitize the recording of votes the last vestige of protection and accountability you have as American voters is gone.

And don't think they won't do that the minute they think it's necessary to in order to maintain power. They will. And they probably have already.

It's all still paper ballots in Canada.

We are heading for one of 2 things now, and I'm not kidding:

1. A new American revolution in the next 4-10 years to set yourselves free again.

Or......

2. A world war within the next 4-15 years, and it will be the Axis of USA/England/Israel/Australia (basically the Anglos) against an expanding alliance of countries eventually composed of most of the rest of the World. The blame FOR that war will be on the Anglos & Israel, and they will be seen in its wake much as the Nazis were seen in the wake of WWII.

Given the fact that Canada is also Anglo, and will probably get sucked in, and that I am Anglo, I don't feel good about it at all. It's a very, very bad situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Old Guy
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:07 PM

Crybabia rules!

Will paranoia exist in Crybabia

OG

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:16 PM

Martin, your US dollar is at a new low, even against the Russian ruble. I have a good quantity of American cash and was waiting for your dollar to climb back up after the election to convert it to Canadian funds, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon. I've been paying close attention. I don't think you have or you wouldn't have gone there.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:23 PM

Evidently Old Guy does not dare go there. Old Guy, as an Old Gal, I can tell you that age has nothing to do with the ability to think, to risk, to analyze. So go look at that link and decide for yourself whether you dare open that box.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:28 PM

Yeah. I've never seen it go so low. My Canadian export business earns every dollar it makes in US dollars. A year and a half ago every US dollar I was paid was worth over $1.55 Canadian. Now one US dollar is worth $1.22 Canadian...and its' still going down.

Americans won't notice it, though, because they're living inside their own reality-bubble and they aren't aware that their money is worth less than it used to be. They don't deal in anything but US dollars most of the time. I wonder when they will start to notice?

As the World in general loses confidence in the viability of the USA, the US dollar declines in value. It's that simple. The World is abandoning your currency, a step at a time. I feel like abandoning it right now (if I could), because I have lost 22% of my annual profits on account of your shrinking dollar.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:28 PM

Old Guy, are you afraid of free and open elections where the votes can actually be verified? Are you afraid your guy can't win without cheating?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM

Crybabia - I predict a Republican landslide there!   Just look at this thread - have you ever seen so many "sore winners" before? Give it a rest! Nobody is whining on the left, why do you folks need to? You must not be much fun at parties!

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM

There is a large supply of free Koolaid in Crybabia..

What's in your box Ebbie?

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:31 PM

Guest/Bullwinker, have you ever heard of Pandora?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:37 PM

Ron, you think they go to parties?

I think they live in little worlds of their own where they overcompensate for their paranoia by lashing out at everybody they think doesn't see the world in such narrow terms as they do. I fear there's not much partying going on there behind the four of five deadbolts on the doors to their panic rooms. I hope and wish I'm wrong, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:00 PM

But Cluin, as Bullwinkle just pointed out, they want to share their Kool-Aid with us!! I'm surprised they have any left after 58 million took a sip!   

Crybabia seems like such a perfect spot for conservatives that they are now learning to share!!! I wonder if Disney designed it?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:00 PM

Well. I just checked the US dollar rate for today. It's down again. It is now worth $1.20 Canadian. That's from $1.55 a year and a half ago. That means it has declined about 23% from a year and a half ago.

The election of George Bush does not appear to be an encouraging sign to the world money markets.

I am about to take my latest US customer payment to the bank before it shrinks ever further.

You won't notice it stateside, unless you go to buy some imported products.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:01 PM

Yep, all the ailments and troubles of the world were in her box and the devil made her open it.

Cluin:

Glad you brought up Paranoia.

Paranoia is excessive concern about one's own well-being, sometimes suggesting the person holds persecutory beliefs concerning a threat to themselves or their property.

In the original Greek, ðáñÜíïéá (paranoia) means self-referential, and it is this meaning which has been adopted in psychiatry, especially European psychiatry, in reference to a delusional belief. Specifically, the term paranoia is used to denote a delusional belief.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:04 PM

The operative word there being delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:05 PM

( ...in other words, if it ain't delusional, it ain't paranoia)

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:11 PM

"excessive concern about one's own well-being, sometimes suggesting the person holds persecutory beliefs concerning a threat to themselves or their property."

Are you excessively concerned?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:32 PM

Nope. I'm not excessively concerned. I feel empowered.

Let me tell you a little story...

Several years ago, I was involved in a pretty vicious and protracted custody battle. I lived in a pretty isolated area and my ex-husband had all of the important connections in our area. Things kept happening that didn't add up. Things like my ex-husband telling me things he couldn't have known unless he was talking behind the scenes with the judge, and several other key players in the case, including my own lawyer.

My first impulse was to assume that nothing like that could possibly happen because it's against the rules for the judge to be talking to either party behind the scenes, and it is certainly unethical for my own attorney to be discussing the case with my ex-husband behind the scenes.

But after a while, when things kept not adding up, I started looking into things in more depth, and I discovered that everything I had suspected was, indeed, happening, behind my back.

This was a very empowering experience for me because armed with not only the information that this was going on, but also with proof, I was able to get the leverage I needed to get the judge to recuse himself from the case, and get a new judge from another county appointed. And I fired my attorney and got a new one. And I won the custody battle.

So there you go. Vigilance is not the same thing as paranoia, and only fools allow bullies to intimidate them into giving up their right to fairplay and the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:39 PM

Everybody told him that he was just being paranoid.

Then, one morning, they found him in floating in the bay with a knife in his back.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:46 PM

Crybabia, looks a lot like the USA if you are white and making more than 70,000 per year. Except you seem to have forgotten the governmnet supplied high horse from which you can look at poor people and the cheap goods and services available due to the US military and an artificially high dollar. The current Crybabia won't last too much longer. You'll know it is starting to crumble when corporate CEO's start moving to their own compounds, building big fences, and driving huge, powerful, armored cars.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:55 PM

(addendum to my last post... in the words of GW Bush, "Fool me once... uh... shame on... uh... shame... uh... fool me once, and you ain't gonna fool me again!")

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:58 PM

Don't forget Poland

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: InOBU
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 03:25 PM

I gotta say, as soon as someone close to Bullwinkle finds themselves with hardening lungs from Asbestos, you'll see how quick he just may run to a lawyer... on CNN you will note, among the tort reforms, is a projected boon to the asbestos producers, who hid the harm they were doing, so they could poison folks for years... boo hoo Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 04:32 PM

Bullwinkle, as I recall, was the stupidest moose in the history of cartoon television...

By the way, I was overly optimistic about the value of the US dollar in my last post. What I got for my US dollar check (US $5,000) at the bank today was only $1.18 Canadian per US dollar, not $1.20 Cdn. That was because the bank itself steals 2 per cent from me to record the exchange transaction...that's their cut for making a computer entry which takes a couple of seconds. So, I got Cdn $5,907.50, the bank got Cdn $100 (for pressing a key)!

A year and a half ago, I would have gotten $7,750.00 Cdn for that same check. Thanks, George Bush! You have royally fucked Iraq and your own country and anyone else who deals in US dollars.

I'm the kind of guy who has no debts, saves money, and plans well ahead, so I am still turning a reasonable profit here with this business in spite of the downward plunge of the US dollar. I was well prepared. Many others are not so fortunate, I can assure you.

These chickens will come home to roost for Americans. You guys are like the card players on the Titanic, enjoying your little game of poker and ordering more champagne while the ship takes an odd sort of tilt forward at the bow...after all, just about everything in your stores now is made outside the USA (mostly in Asia) and every other major currency in the World is going up against your dollar. You're going to find those prices going up.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 04:37 PM

Isn't ol' B. Winkle guilty of what they call setting up a straw man? This "Crybabia" rant is on a level with "your mama shaves her gums," only it's not as witty.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 04:46 PM

"In this Crybabia, no one would ever suffer hardships."

I think I know where this is going.


"No one would ever die or lack free medical care."

. What's wrong with affordable health care?

"Taxes would be optional and not required."

They are now for many offshore corporations. There are a lot of tax evaders who should move to a place where they don't pay any. They can finance roads, bridges, schools, mail service, police, fire departments with the money that Bush gave them back.


"They would never have to make sacrifices to accommodate other people."

Accomodation is too mild a word. How about caring for the needs of the poor, hungry, disenfranchised and victims of spousal and child abuse?

"They would never have to resort to violence to defend themselves."

This isn't about weakness. This is about strength. Non-violence is the most courageous act there is.

"There would only be one candidate to vote for whose beliefs agree with everyone."

As Bush has said, "It would be much easier if I were the dictator".

"People would be free to marry with any number of individuals of any sex or breed of animal or any relative at any age."

Actually some men and women are free to marry and beat each other up.
How 'bout this for a constitutional definition of marriage?

As to sex with many others at once or animals, there are those who have an attitude toward sex that wouldn't rule these possibilities out now. Homophobia however restricts committed and loving relationships amoung gays and lesbians. What does that do for marriage?

"People could fornicate at will and abortions would always be available at any stage of pregnancy."

This assumes that abortions are a popular item and that people love them.
Have you ever seen one or experienced one? As to fornication at will,
we got that now.

"Illegal aliens could enter at will and take share the resources that others have provided."

What others? The fat corporate Republican elite who sponge off the gross world product of other countries and the poor Americans who don't know what hit 'em? They take more than any illegal alien could.

"Building materials and energy would be cheap and come from outside of Crybabia to preserve the natural resources and prevent pollution."

"Automobiles would produce no pollution and be absolutely crash proof so that an individual would be safe regardless of their carelessness."

That would be wonderful. Why is that a crybaby idea? It makes good sense to me.

"Lawyers would be available 24x7 to alleviate any injustice and collect huge punitive damages form any suspected offender."

The public defenders have gone after a lot of offenders that are not just suspect. They are corporate criminals who belong behind bars such as Enron execs and Ken Lay. This isn't crybaby stuff. This is outrageous.

"Business would be completely at risk to any complaint, warranted or not, required to pay top wages and not allowed to make a profit."

Oh the holy church of business. All hail to Enron!

"Working would be an option and the government of Crybabia would provide everything for non-workers."

Oh the holy church of work. Hallelujah! Low paid minimum wages that no one can live on. Exploited workers by rich employers. They of course are hard workers because they are so rich.

Who Wants to sign up?

Libertarianism I think I want to throw up.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 04:57 PM

Frank, you are absolutely right in what you say.

Nonviolence is the most courageous act possible. That's why it is so exceedingly rare.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 05:23 PM

You make good sense Frank except I think the part about,
"Building materials and energy would be cheap and come from outside of Crybabia to preserve the natural resources and prevent pollution."
That sounds too much like what the US is doing now. Raping other countries for their natural resources. Is that not one of the main reasons US is so disliked by so many other countries right now?

Peace, Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 07:36 PM

Just because you're paranoid...doesn't mean thy're not out to get you.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:01 PM

Gee. I though I was doing something to help the sore loosers.

Here is the National Anthem of Crybabia:

Home home in Crybabia
Where the homos and socialists play.
Where never is heard.
A Republican word.
And the tears never come all day.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:09 PM

It sure must be fun at your house, Bullwinkie.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:27 PM

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, Ebbie. :-)

Bullwinkle, did you know that the real losers are people who don't even know how to spell "loser"? It only has one "o". "Looser" means less tight, as in "this bolt is looser than the other one". "Looser" does not mean someone who loses.

You poor soul, you must have dropped out of school early.

I make up posts quite similar to yours when I want to engage in low humour by depicting the thoughts of truly ignorant fictional characters who ARE major losers. People who are so stupid that they don't even realize they are stupid. My pal Shane ("Blind DRunk in Blind River") is such a creation. He also spells "loser" wrong, just like you do...because he is one.

What you know about socialism doesn't amount to a flyspeck. Your own society depends on socialism to function at all. Without it you wouldn't have police, public utilities, a public school system, a government, a department of highways, an armed forces, a court system, and a whole lot else that you take for granted. You'd be living in unlighted shacks with no running water and fighting off roving bandit gangs without socialism, you poor ignorant sod.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:01 PM

One thing for sure, Osama won't move to crybabia. He's getting exactly what he wants which is to destabilize the U.S. economy. Way to go Georgie Boy! I always knew you would protect us.

Hold on to your hats, folks, the U.S. is going down.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:08 PM

You got a loose one LH?

You are hereby invited to Crybabia. They take nit pickers too as long as they are crybabies.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:31 PM

Well let me see if I have this right...

A dumb moose, card carryin' memebr to the Cry-publican Party is here accusin' the opposition party, for doing exactly what Tom Jefferson would expect of it (just as his party did as the opposition party, I might add), of being crybabies???

Like what gives? Isn't it the Cry-publicans who have blamed Clinton for all their mistakes, including, when all their lies were found out, their excuse for invading Iraq???

"Hey, Ralph. Forget them WMD's. They didn't have 'um. And firget the nuclear program, too. They didn't have 'um. And the link to Al Quida. Forget it because it didn't exist either. But don't tell Dick Cheney. And as fir the "Well, Saddam tried to kill my daddy"? Firget it. Noone really believed it any way. But, ahhhhhhh, Ralph, Clointon made us do it. Sho nuff did!"

I mean, what a joke, mooseman... The only crybaby I've read in this thread is you and yer buddy DougR...

Here, take a tissue...

Sniff... Makes me all sobby just seeihn' you two this way...

You really oughtta cheer up since there ain't no paper trail (how convient..) to show that yer guy prolly lost in Ohio...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:39 PM

You have it just as right as anything else you see through those redswollen eyes of yours.

Crybabians rule and Bobert drools.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 11:41 PM

And then the moose woke up....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 12:55 AM

And then the moose tried to hump a PT Cruiser going 80 miles an hour down the highway. Bye bye Moose, empress of Crybabia! Say hi to Emperor Doug for us!

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 04:35 AM

LITTLE HAWK!!! Blind Drunk in Blind River?? You know, I thought that of you once and then the character was so well developed (meaning, limited ) that I decided he was real. I just never wasted any energy on him- he was too, too over the top. Well, you got me. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bulwinkle
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:07 AM

Horny, antagonistic mudcatters are welcome to Crybabia.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:29 AM

Horny, antagonistic mudcatters are welcome to Crybabia.

You would know, Bulwinkle. Myself, I wouldn't even go there for a visit. But I'm sure you and DougR will have a grand time together there in Crybabia, licking each other's wounds and ruling over your subjects together.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:32 AM

PMS will not exist in Crybabia

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:36 AM

You got that licked already have you? Are you sure you aren't just going through the "change of life" (you know... ahem... menopause)

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 11:02 AM

So you are moving to Crybabia for some free Kool Aid?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 11:05 AM

No, not me. I don't belong there. But I'm sure you and DougR will get along just fine without me.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 11:13 AM

Why are you trading insults with this dipshit? He's got bugger all intelligent to say. Just a bunch of puerile one-liners. Hint: this is one of those trolls you should just ignore.

I take it back, Bullwinkle. I guess sometimes that old trick does work.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 11:20 AM

I really enjoyed reading this thread and I wish I was clever enough to be other than serious. I lost respect for Libertarians for two major reasons:

About ten years ago, the Alaska Libertarian party nominated for Governor one of their own but unfortunately he had left the state, a big no-no for Alaskans, and for most governors.

Libertarians in principle want small government. This would be desirable except for the existence of Big Business. I personally want my government to be bigger than Halliburton, otherwise, the real government WILL be Halliburton.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 11:26 AM

Ebbie, Blind DRunk in Blind River is one of my proudest creations! :-) He's sort of a modern update of Doug and Bob McKenzie, the quintessentially stupid young Canadian dumbasses. There are guys like that in every Canadian town (and every American town for sure). You can find them lined up at the beer and liquor stores on Friday night and Saturday morning. They have gleaned their entire understanding of life from TV and dirty magazines. Their perception of women is limited to 2 or 3 specific areas of the female body, and that's about it. They imagine themselves to be very cool and attractive, but are generally avoided by most women, who find them totally disgusting. Some girls, though, are stupid enough to be taken in by these young idiots...and pay the penalty of being treated like shit by them when they go out with them or (heaven forbid!) marry them.

These same jerks are the heart and soul of the lowest common denominator in our society, the people who make monster truck rallies and demolition derbies profitable, the guys who spend their money in this order:

1. cigarettes and beer
2. more cigarettes and beer
3. hard liquor and dope
4. pizza and chip dip and stuff like that
5. lottery tickets
6. skin mags and porno videos
7. their 4 x 4 red or black pickup truck

They are pitiable, destined for bad health, jail, and an early grave, incapable of supporting or properly raising children (but great at conceiving them), incapable of holding down a job, incapable of managing money, incapable of really respecting themselves or anyone else, forever hoping for that "big break" (a lottery win or a gold record) that will allow them to "never work again". If Hulk Hogan ran for president, he would get their vote.

I find this kind of thing amusing in a character, specially if it is combined with a certain superficial pride and arrogance and a sublime lack of awareness of his own idiocy.

It almost becomes lovable then...at a safe distance.

Hence, I created Shane McBride, the glorious idiot who calls himself "Blind DRunk in Blind River". He allows me the relaxation of depicting a character as opposite from my real self as I can possibly imagine. :-) It's fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 12:03 PM

We'll see, Cluin.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 01:37 PM

Here is the National Anthem of Abusia

Home home in Abusia
Where God kicks you right in the groin
And bigots cavort
For Republican sport
While Bush and Karl Rove make the coin.

1.Oh give me a home where the Neo-cons roam
And the Empire always strikes back.
While Bush is impervious
To military servi-uous
While he slaughters the folks in Iraq.

2.How lovely it seems to crap on the dreams
Of those who love justice and peace,
While those rich little punks
Smell their perfume like skunks
As their tax evasions increase.

3. And in those Red lands are incomporable bands
Of the God-thumping poor working class.
They stomp on the gays, in their self-righteous ways
While Rich "Rinos" screw them in the ...........

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 03:17 PM

Yes, and every tyrant finds those faithful followers who will cheer him on as they sign away their own freedoms (for "security, God, and country") and trample on the legitimate freedoms of others. Give them a uniform and a gun and they will kill for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 06:29 PM

Ebbie: I dared to read the Blog article you posted. The sad thing is you actually appear to believe what that guy wrote. My comment: yes, and pigs can fly.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 07:49 PM

Take a look at the Exit Poll/Electronic Vote graphs, DougR, and then let me repeat:

"I am asking: WHAT IF? If you - and we- become convinced that this is true, will it be something you can - and will- defend?" Ebbie 12:22

How much does truth and honesty matter?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 08:21 PM

But I thought that Dougie's hero was elected because of his upstandin' morals? Did I miss something?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 09:33 PM

Anybody can escape from the Evil US to Crybabia.

Dispensers for free Kleenex are at every major intersection.


Don't cry for me in Crybabia
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My bad existence
I kept my promise
I voted for him

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 05:24 AM

What a fascinating thread (not). Bullwinkle, I don't know about Craybabia, but you sound like a citizen of Nyah-Nyah-NyahNyah-NyahLand.

Really mature.

Give the guy the red button, he'll know what to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:52 AM

It's a mean old world ain't it Greko?

All I have done is laid out a country the way Kerry supporters would have it.

It's time they figured out they can't have everything both ways.

Success is gettin' what you want.

Happiness is wantin' what you get.

Quoting Georgiansilver;
"You still wouldn't be happy. Make the best of what you've got already sez I!"

When gas goes to $5 a gallon I will be driving less and paying more for gas. I won't be crying about it. The simple laws of supply and demand determine the price of gasoline.

What does gas cost in Europe? Is there a evil republican conspiracy over there driving the price up?

Democrats find an evil conspiracy behind everything they don't like when the plain truth is staring them in the face.

It is like the dark ages when people thought evil spirits were every where making their life miserable. They made themselves miserable by refusing to accept the obvious.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 11:30 AM

That's a hoot, Bulwinkle. You tell everyone who voted for Kerry what they think and then you argue with them about it. Good thing they've got you isolated way over there in Crybabia with a nice set of padded walls so you can't do any more damage than your wet noodle slinging here in this thread.

Here's the new dynamic as I see it. Our friend Bulwinkle and the many various vaguely named GUESTS who have descended upon the mudcat like flies on honey, hiding behind their daddy Bush's apron strings, are feeling empowered to throw spitballs. They figure if we don't like it, they'll get their daddy to come beat us up. Very courageous, Bulwinkle. What's the problem... got no spine of your own? Need to borrow one from your daddy?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 12:42 PM

CC the pugnacious Mud catter
Had the personality of an adder
She pounds her keyboard all night
Till the dawn's early light
While her ass just keeps getting fatter

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 12:47 PM

Nice try, GUEST. No cigar.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 12:49 PM

I am just trying to sum up all of the wants of the Kerry supporters to show that people can't have everything they want and there is no sense in complaining about it.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 12:58 PM

The problem with your summation of what "Kerry voters" want, Bulwinkle, is that it doesn't even come close to representing what Kerry voters actually want. You just made it all up to smear a group of people whom you really know nothing about.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 01:32 PM

CarolC, I'm on your side, but (and I'm saying this affectionately and smiling) - you are so easy to get riled up...

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 01:47 PM

What makes you think I'm riled up, El Greko? This is a very amusing thread. I'm having a lot of fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 01:47 PM

"...The simple laws of supply and demand determine the price of gasoline."


You're so cute, Bullwinkle. Don't ever change.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM

As long as you're having fun 's OK, Carol - never mind me. No worries.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 02:16 PM

What, you're not having any fun, El Greko?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: DougR
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:40 PM

I don't think it's much fun to read all the whining, visualize all the handwringing, and moaning and groaning the losers are bringing to the threads of the good old Mudcat these last few days.

Talk about sour grapes.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:49 PM

Doug,

Karl Rove and Grover Norquist are not content by taking the reigns of power.
They both have gone on record as not only wanting to assume power but humiliating their enemies and gloating over their defeat.

Fine Christian principles. :)

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:51 PM

Good point, DougR. So when are you going to stop posting?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 04:48 PM

I think we should all go to crybabia for awhile and leave the Republicans alone. I can just see it now, slave masters with the ignorant masses praying to God for delivery.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 05:51 PM

Wouldn't be much point, dianavan. We'd still have to deal with them when they came to steal all of our stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 06:01 PM

Will CC Please write out what the Kerry supporters would like their country to be like and we will do a feasibility analysis.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 06:07 PM

I can write out the reasons I voted for Kerry, Bulwinkle, and also the reasons I didn't vote for Bush. But everybody has their own reasons for doing things. It would be no more appropriate for me to tell other Kerry voters why they voted that way than it is for you to do so.

I'll post my reasons later though. JtS has made Jigg's Dinner, and it's almost time to eat.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 06:09 PM

Oops. And I'll also write out what I would like this country to be like.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 11:01 PM

No one would ever die or lack free medical care.

No one would ever die because of a lack of affordable medical care.

Taxes would be optional and not required.

This one from you surprises me greatly since the Bush people were working so hard to promote Kerry as a heavy taxer. I think that not only should they not be optional, but it should be much more difficult for people to avoid paying taxes using offshore bank accounts and other practices of questionable legality.

They would never have to make sacrifices to accommodate other people.

This one surprises me too because it's Bush who promotes the "I"ve got mine and fuck everybody else" mentality. Of course people would make sacrifices to accomodate other people.

They would never have to resort to violence to defend themselves.

They would only resort to violence to defend themselves as a last resort.

There would only be one candidate to vote for whose beliefs agree with everyone.

We would get rid of the electoral college so that we can have more than two viable parties, and third, fourth, fifth, party candidates could stand a chance of winning. As things are now, all we really have is one party that wears two different faces.

People would be free to marry with any number of individuals of any sex or breed of animal or any relative at any age.

Only two people, no animals, and no relatives except perhaps distant cousins.

People could fornicate at will and abortions would always be available at any stage of pregnancy.

People do fornicate at will. That's not going to change. Abortions should only be available during the first trimester. No second trimester abortions unless it is a question of the life or health of the mother, and then only if there is no other option. No partial birth abortions unless it is a question of the life or health of the mother (which, by the way, is Kerry's stance on partial birth abortions).

llegal aliens could enter at will and take share the resources that others have provided.

I don't have a fully formed opinion on this one yet.

Building materials and energy would be cheap and come from outside of Crybabia to preserve the natural resources and prevent pollution.

This is the Republican stance, only they do it, not to preserve natural resources and prevent pollution, but to make a bigger profit and pollute someone else's country and deplete someone else's resources.

My position is to use the resources we have wisely, and in a way that is not wasteful. Building materials can be produced in a way that is sustainable and environmentally friendly. We should be doing that, while at the same time protecting our environment. This is not only possible, it's absolutely necessary.

Automobiles would produce no pollution and be absolutely crash proof so that an individual would be safe regardless of their carelessness.

It's already possible to make automobiles that produce little or no pollution. There is no reason in the world why we shouldn't be doing that now. Absolutely crash proof would be nice. Think of all of the children's lives that could be saved. I don't expect it to happen any time soon, but it would be nice.

Lawyers would be available 24x7 to alleviate any injustice and collect huge punitive damages form any suspected offender.

Sort of a "drive through" lawyers office? Not practical. As John Edwards said, there should be independent bodies of people who would examine law suits to determine whether or not they are frivolous before they are allowed to go to court.

Business would be completely at risk to any complaint, warranted or not, required to pay top wages and not allowed to make a profit.

Business would take responsibility for what they are responsible for. Frivolous law suits would be discarded before going to court. People would be paid a living wage, and business would behave like good citizens of this country, instead of treating this country and its citizens like a throwaway commodity. And no more corporate welfare, especially for businesses that ship jobs overseas.

Working would be an option and the government of Crybabia would provide everything for non-workers.

The government would remove existing tax incentives that promote the export of jobs to other countries, and more people would be able to find jobs that pay a living wage.

That's all I have time for now. But I will say that one of the reasons I decided to vote for Kerry is because I don't like the way Bush is treating the men and women who enlist in our armed forces. He's using them badly, and treating them like they don't matter. That's just wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 11:07 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 12:09 AM

Very good except some of your proposals are bring done and it is a matter of contention that they are not.
die because of a lack of affordable medical care Who is dying from a lack of medical care, affordable or otherwise?
avoid paying taxes Bush is working on that
as a last resort How do you determine a last resort? After we are numerous times and then a big one?
Only two people, no animals, and no relatives First same sex then polygamy then family members then children then animals. Just links in a chain to be broken by liberals.
No second trimester abortions unless it is a question of the life or health of the mother, and then only if there is no other option. No partial birth abortions unless it is a question of the life or health of the mother What is the law now? Why shouldn't people be responsible for causing a pregnancy? There are plenty of ways to avoid it. Is it too much trouble? Nope just root it out like an unwanted weed that took root.
automobiles that produce little or no pollution They can be bought right now.
independent bodies of people who would examine law suits Independent Lawyers? Better to have a system where one gets their ass kicked for bringing frivolous law suits.
businesses that ship jobs overseas Lawsuits are a major factor in causing businesses to move off shore. Another is those frivolous law suits. There is a minimum wage law. People could stop this moving offshore stuff in it's tracks if they would only buy American made goods.
existing tax incentives Explain what they are.
pay a living wage There is a minimum wage law. It could be raised if enough people wanted it to. Wetbacks are one reason it is so low.
He's using them badly They are being treated better than ever before. That's why so many of them voted for him. The best way to help would be to join. How come only 19% of the military are Democrats?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 01:10 AM

Who is dying from a lack of medical care, affordable or otherwise?

The working poor who have no access to any medical insurance. There are more than fifty million uninsured people in the US. Many of them are members of the working poor.

avoid paying taxes. Bush is working on that

Yeah, he's making it easier for people to avoid paying taxes.

How do you determine a last resort? After we are numerous times and then a big one?

Obviously you have to make that determination on a case by case basis.

First same sex then polygamy then family members then children then animals. Just links in a chain to be broken by liberals.

You're entitled to your opinion. You asked me how I would like the county to be, and I have given you my answer. You certainly can't make a case that what you have described is what Kerry and Edwards were trying to promote.

What is the law now?

As far as I know, what I described is the law now.

Why shouldn't people be responsible for causing a pregnancy? There are plenty of ways to avoid it. Is it too much trouble? Nope just root it out like an unwanted weed that took root.

Maybe in the best of all possible worlds, that is how things would be. But we know from the time prior to the legalization of abortion, that making abortions illegal did most certainly not prevent abortions from happening. We don't want to go back to the days of back-room abortions.

automobiles that produce little or no pollution. They can be bought right now.

So what's your point? By the way, on the subject of careless driving, I would like to see a much more stringent enforcement of speed limits and traffic laws.

Independent Lawyers? Better to have a system where one gets their ass kicked for bringing frivolous law suits.

You're entitled to your opinion. I don't happen to agree with it.

Lawsuits are a major factor in causing businesses to move off shore. Another is those frivolous law suits.

No they're not. What sort of lawsuits are responsible for all of the information technology jobs getting sent to India and China?

There is a minimum wage law.

What's that got to do with anything?

People could stop this moving offshore stuff in it's tracks if they would only buy American made goods.

No they couldn't. You don't have any say about who handles your phone call for technical assistance for the software you're using. If the technical assistance person is in India, you don't have any choice about whether or not you can talk to someone in the US. You have to talk to the tech. assist. person in India.

existing tax incentives. Explain what they are.

That would require some research that I don't have time for right now.

They are being treated better than ever before.

This is not true. I've already posted links to several organizations made up of veterans, servicemen and women, and families of servicemen and women. They tell a very different story.

At any rate, you asked me what my view of what the US should look like would be, and I have given you a rough idea, and shown you that my view doesn't even come close to your rather bigoted stereotype in your first post in this thread. I don't have time to debate all of the issues you and I disagree on.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 01:21 AM

CC you are a total loss. Your mamma should start over.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:42 AM

You're mistaken.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 12:04 PM

LOL. Bulwinkle shows us that he is incapable of engaging in intelligent debate! (no surprise there)

Back to Crybabia, Bulwinkle, Emperor Doug needs his ass wiped!

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 12:25 PM

Bullwinkle showed his debate level with the first post, which was effectively sticking a tongue out and saying "nyah-nya-nyanyah-nya" to the "losers" in his view.

Everything after that just helped fill space in Max's computer's and gave a chance to El Ted to score another 100th post (which he missed).

Oh, bugger it, I just added a post...

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: DougR
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 03:56 PM

Simple, Carol C., ...when you do.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 07:23 PM

CC: I'll get back to you later on the constitution of Crybabia.

Right now I am fighting the cyber battle of Falluja.

I'ts a good thing your Mamma didn't abort you eh?

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 07:40 PM

My mother is dead, Bulwinkle, and I don't care to discuss her with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:55 PM

I had no axe to grind over the US election, atleast as far as any difference between the candidates was concerned only the disappearance of the nest of deadly vipers around G.W. would have been good to witness. But methinks that all here who keep assuming that the crowing trio posting to this thread ---Bullwankle and the others--have the capacity for reasoned dialogue should try starting a thread which won't hold their interest, which at the moment is merely having the excuse to repeat the kindergarten "nya nya-nya nya nyaya!"

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,boab
Date: 09 Nov 04 - 05:57 PM

Oops!---el Greko. I see you already had them "taped"! Sorry mate----

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:04 PM

There is no need to create Crybabia now. Canada will be a haven for all the US crybabies.

Bullwinkle

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:15 PM

...and we're glad to have them. We like intelligent people.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:18 PM

I could have sworn this thread read "CRYLABIA". Would have been a much better title, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:26 PM

"Home home in Crybabia
Where the homos and socialists play.
Where never is heard.
A Republican word.
And the tears never come all day."

This is from the well-spoken originator of this thread. Has anyone noticed that it don't scan for s#it? Just fulminatin' a little here.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:33 PM

Four more days, brucie... Just four more days.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:39 PM

brucie, don't you remember that I started a Crylabia thread in response to this. I wonder it it's still out out.

We'll see.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:53 PM

The Socialist Party of Canada holds

"1. That society as at present constituted is based upon the ownership of the means of living (i.e., land, factories, railways, etc.) by the capitalist or master class, and the consequent enslavement of the working class, by whose labour alone wealth is produced."

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 10:20 PM

The Socialist Party of Canada holds exactly zero seats in the House of Commons.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 12:09 AM

I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know, and that's a good thing.

Anybody got any guesses about who said this?

(Hint... it was in response to a complaint by one of our servicemen currently in the Middle East that U.S. forces are forced to dig up scrap metal to protect their vehicles in Iraq because of a shortage of armored ones. Geeze, what a bunch of crybabies.)

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 12:21 AM

I got it. The "and that's a good thing" gave it away.

MARTHA STEWART

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 12:29 AM

I wish. I miss Martha.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 11:46 AM

The Socialist Party of Canada??? LOL! I have lived in Canada most of my life and I never even heard of them till today, upon opening this thread! How many members do they have? 20 or 30 perhaps? Do they meet in a church basement in Mimico?

Oh! The horror of those terrible socialists just across the border from the God-fearing USA! How can you sleep at night knowing they are there?

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Guest, one doesn't have to be a "socialist" to oppose an illegal, criminal war of aggression by a superpower and a major power against a small country that presented no danger to them whatsoever. No, one can be of any political persuasion and still find good reasons to oppose such a war...

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 06:18 PM

He's also the man who said something like: "There are things we know that we know we know; there are things that we don't know that we know we don't know; there are things we don't know that we don't know that we don't know', ad infinitum.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 10:54 PM

Uhhh......

Ayup!

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: alanabit
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 03:45 AM

I think that socialists in America occuppy a place in the imagination somewhere between puppy slashers and child rapists. For most of the rest of the world it is an expresson of common humanity. Most of the things mentioned in Bullwinkle's original post are available to the rich of any country. How about Bush's "sacrifice" for his country in the Viet Nam War, which was contrasted favourably with that "nasty liberal" who opposed him in the election?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Cretinous Yahoo
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 11:13 AM

Bullwinkle, when you mention losers, you should included everyone who lives under this budding theocracy. When the Bush gang stole the second election, corporate America made the final payment on democracy.

Another point, you said only 19% of the military are democrats? I don't know where you pulled that from, but I do know for a fact that Powell is the only republican in the Bush gang who served in the real military. Before anyone gets all humped up, remember that during Viet Nam the national guard did not go there. At the time it was a draft dodger's country club.

I have to hope that in the next 4 years the ignorant rednecks will wake up to what is really going on, and will vote to bring back democracy. (Unless it is owtlawed by the bible pounders)

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 04:18 PM

During the Vietnam war, almost 23,000 Army and Air Guardsmen were called up for a year of active duty; some 8,700 were deployed to Vietnam.

This is from google of

The National Guard - About the National Guard

I think my good buddy Rapaire will also dispute the statement that no guardsmen went. He'll be very surprised to learn the war he was in didn't include him.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 06:09 PM

...during Viet Nam the national guard did not go there. At the time it was a draft dodger's country club.

Well, for goodness' sakes! I didn't know that! Here I went and thought all these years that when the 126th Supply and Service Company of the Illinois National Guard, the 69th Brigade of the NG (based in Kansas and suchlike places), Company C, 151st Infantry (LRRP) of the Indiana National Guard were all activated on 15 May 1968 for a period of up to two years Federal active duty! I only thought that me, my brother, 8 of my cousins, and a bunch of other guys were sent with the 126th to Ft. Carson, Colorado and then eventually the unit was sent to Chu Lai, Vietnam in September, 1968 and didn't return until August, 1969 (me, I thought I'd been seperated and sent to the Republic of Korea in January, 1969 and came home that August).

Instead, I find that I was in a draft dodger's country club! I was actually sitting on the veranda sipping cool drinks and discussing my golf game and my tennis raquet, probably saying stuff like, "Ah, yes, my good man, certainly is nice of those chappies to dirty their uniforms...care for another?"

I guess that the 126th didn't win a second Meritorous Unit Citation and those guys we thought were killed in convoy ambushes are actually spending this Christmas playing with their grandchildren, too.

Golly, the things you can learn!

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 06:30 PM

Look here, guys. It don't make no difference what party yer loyalty is to...Repubs or Dems...the standard BS political tactic is to question the OTHER guy's courage, loyalty, and patriotism...no matter what he did or didn't do. It's self-serving partisan BS. It's a cheap shot. It's like little kids going "nah-nah-nah-nah...nah...nah!" My suggestion to all those who do it is: grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 02:04 AM

CC: The complaint by one of our servicemen was planted by a "journalist" Who bragged about it later and got dinged by his newspaper.

The soldier would never have asked the question if the journalist had not told him to so it must have not been pressing on his mind.

The Journalist was undermining the US military, and feeding you anti-war protestors for his own personal gain.

Editor: Disclosure was needed on armor query
CHATTANOOGA, Tennessee (AP) -- A newspaper should have told its readers promptly that an embedded reporter had helped frame a question that a serviceman asked of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld this week in Kuwait, the publisher says.


Cretinous Yahoo: A new poll released by The National Annenberg Election Survey has found that 69% of people in military service, including family members of the GIs, are more trusting of President Bush than Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran. The respondents also reported that 43% were Republican and 19% Democrat

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: kendall
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 05:46 AM

All that not withstanding, CY is right about the Bush gang. Powell is the only one in the cabinet to serve in the military.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 02:32 PM

"A new poll released by The National Annenberg Election Survey has found that 69% of people in military service, including family members of the GIs, are more trusting of President Bush than Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran. The respondents also reported that 43% were Republican and 19% Democrat"

All that brings to my mind is bemusement as to what percentage of brains vs. testosterone occupies the average military mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 04:20 PM

CC: The complaint by one of our servicemen was planted by a "journalist" Who bragged about it later and got dinged by his newspaper.

The soldier would never have asked the question if the journalist had not told him to so it must have not been pressing on his mind.

The Journalist was undermining the US military, and feeding you anti-war protestors for his own personal gain.

Are you suggesting that the servicemen and women are not having to pick through dumps to get metal with which to up armor their vehicles?

The fact is that they have been doing that, and whether or not a reporter was the one to frame the question does in no way alter that fact. And we also have seen that as a result of the reporter framing that question for that serviceman to ask, the US government has taken steps to increase the rate at which armored vehicles are provided to the military, thus saving lives of our servicemen and women, something you obviously couldn't give a shit about.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 04:56 PM

Actually, that sort of thing happens a lot in wars. Wars are the stupidest and overall the most criminal actions ever undertaken on a large scale by human beings, and the soldiers are among the people most taken advantage of in wars by the corrupt politicians and arms manufacturers who talk them (order them) into going...

Some historical examples of similar situations:

The American (and British) soldiers who fought in Europe in 1944 quickly discovered that the standard Sherman tanks and other vehicles they had been issued with which to fight were woefully inadequate against the much superior German medium and heavy tanks. One German Panther tank was reputed to be worth 5 Sherman tanks in a firefight. The Tiger I and Tiger II were almost impregnable when facing the Shermans. The American tank crews were understandably upset about the situation. They improvised by covering their Shermans with welded on slabs of extra armour scavenged here and there and lots of sandbags, etc. And they were rescued time and again by the complete Allied control of the air. Often as not, aircraft knocked out the Panzer tanks.

The American soldiers in Korea who received the first North Korean wave of attacks discovered that their bazookas were almost useless against the North Koreans' T-34 tanks. They fled in disarray, but later received the backup and equipment they needed.

The British and French aviators in WWI received NO parachutes! Their German opponents were equipped with parachutes from about the mid-point till the end. Thousands of men burned up in their planes because the RAF had decided that parachutes might cause pilots to "prematurely abandon valuable equipment"!!! (Parachutes WERE available to observation baloon personnel on both sides, from the beginning.)

The American navy in WWII had such lousy torpedoes at the beginning of the Pacific war that they frequently would score as many as 3 or 4 hits on an enemy ship...without a single detonation! This problem was resolved eventually...after many, many complaints from enraged submarine captains.

The Germans sent 3 million men into Russian in June '41...with almost no supplies of winter clothing on hand or even in the making! As a result, thousands of soldiers suffered frostbite, the loss of limbs, and death when the war did not "end by Christmas".

Every aggressor who has ever invaded a much weaker and smaller country, hoping for easy gains...which describes the US invasion of Iraq...soon discovers that it may be easy to win the initial battles in the field, but not so easy to bend an entire population to the will of a foreign occupier. As in Vietnam, the troubles are just beginning for the occupying forces.

It is the USA which will be "Crybabia" when their war of aggression finally fails and their soldiers come miserably home...as they did from Vietnam.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 06:04 PM

And, LH, in every one of the wars situations you cite "field expedients" were fabricated.

The torpedoes are an excellent case in point. Sailors knew how to make them go bang, how to rig the fuzes, but were forbidden to do so by Naval Ordnance. Nevertheless, they did so. The situation was finally demonstrated rather conclusively when the Navy's head dude was put on a submarine and watched while topedio after torpedo was fired at a cliff and failed to explode -- the fuzes were set by Naval Ordnance "experts". (Naval Ordnance had said that the submariners were simply missing the target!)

Because the US had nuclear weapons, troops sent to Korea were poorly trained in marksmanship and bayonet work -- "we won't that THAT in the next war, 'cause we got The BOMB!" This was rather quickly remedied, but troops still died.

"Field expedients" (and scrounging, and trading) have probably saved more soldiers, regardless of country, than can ever be counted.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 10:19 AM

It would almost be funny, if it wasn't so sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Bullwinkle
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 01:31 AM

CC:

Yes they are as do all soldiers in any conflict. They make do with what they have like patching equipment together from parts of wrecked equipment.

I don't regard it as a failing of the superiors. However people looking for something to whine about will find something and they will influence others to whine also.

I guess they could complain about the lack of a Dominos to order pizzas from if someone put them up to it.

You seriously need to move to Crybabia.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:17 AM

Tinywinkie, you're getting monotonous.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:19 AM

The greatest general of all time, Alexander the great, was stopped in Afghanistan. The British were stopped in Afghanistan, the Russians were forced to leave with their tails between their legs. Question, how the hell does anyone think we will fare any better?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:53 AM

I don't regard it as a failing of the superiors.

BTW, you couldn't be more wrong about this. It's the job of the superiors to make sure the troops have adequate equipment to do the job they are willing to risk their lives to do. If the troops are willing to put their lives on the line for the job, it's hardly too much to ask those who are putting them in harm's way to make sure they are not doing so in vain. You are obviously one of those armchair generals who delight in the thought of good and brave men and women getting killed so you can feel powerful and mighty.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 12:10 PM

From Guide For Squad Leaders (PAM 350-12: HQ, Dept. of the Army, May, 1967), Chapter 2, 31(c), p. 30, dealing with the responsibilities and traits of good leaders and leadership in the military:

c. Supplies. The squad might have inadequate food, water, heat, clothing, equipment, weapons, ammunition or space (squad bay, bunker, or tent overcrowded).

It is the duty of the leader to insure adequate equipment. This is responsibility of every leader, from the Fire Team to the Commander-in-Chief.

I apologize for not citing the FMs on Military Leadership, but I happen to have the PAM right at hand.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 12:09 PM

WAAAAHHHH!!!! WAAAA-AAA-AAAA-AAAH!

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: kendall
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 04:11 AM

Crybabia...grow up you Bushites! we all lost when Bush won, the dollar is now almost two to one against the pound and that's only one sign that he is taking us down the wrong road.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:52 PM

I don't like to intrude into private grief, but I think I sort of understand the situation - having read the thread.

Bullwinkle is President Bush supporter.

He says nasty boorish things - I bet George Bush has nightmares about supporters like him - he certainly gives the Republican cause a bad rep from the abrasive things he says. Nobody would have voted for your President if he had expressed himself in such a nasty mocking manner.

Bush says some abrasive things himself, but I have noticed that it is always tempered by a language of striving for decency.

You are not going to improve Bullwinkle's point of view or his manners and you are losing your tempers. No point. Walk away.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 07:56 PM

Ever since the Rocky movies, Bullwinkle has had issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:40 PM

So, How many were killed or wounded in Viet Nam in the National Guard?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 05:08 PM

Lots of Stats


POWs: 766 (114 Died in captivity.)

25% (648,500) Of total forces in country were draftees.

Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Reservist killed: 5,977

National Guard: 6,140 Served; 101 Died

Total draftees (1965-73): 1,728,344.

Actually served in Vietnam 38%.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 06:13 AM

101, wow, imagine that.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 07:18 AM

That's 101 men (unlike today, at the time the Guard was 99.9% male) who died, GUEST. Died. Dead. A small part of the overall casualties, but 101 corpses: sons, husbands, fathers.

Ever see a combat casualty? For that matter, ever see combat?

Messy. A 5.56mm bullet, the caliber of the M-16 and the AK-74, slows almost instantly after it hits flesh and then tumbles at least three times inside -- if there is an exit wound, it can be as big as your fist. And these aren't "dum-dum" or hollowpoint bullets, but fully conform to the "full metal jacket" standard. Nasty.

Shrapnel is simply fragments of shells after they explode. They can be of various sizes and shapes and unlike a bullet cut into flesh at odd angles and speeds. Shrapnel can rip a leg off, or a head. And sometimes it works it way out of the body years later -- my brother still has fragments of a mortar shell work their way out of his leg all these years later.

White phosphorous scatters in fragments from a grenade or shell, burning as long as it has oxygen, burning straight through skin, organs, and bone. Napalm is jellied gasoline, ignited by WP and it sticks to whatever it touches.

Ever hear of a "bouncing betty" mine? A claymore? Ever seen the damage they do to a human body?

Ever been wounded, GUEST?

101 dead.... Imagine that.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 10:31 AM

I wasn't trying to downplay death, they are just as dead as any other combatant in a silly unnecessary war, but 101 is pretty small compared to the number of casualties among the real soldiers.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 11:09 AM

Gee, GUEST, I thought I'd said that it was only a small part of the overall casualties.

WHADDA YA MEAN "real soldiers"? DEAD IS DEAD, WOUNDED IS WOUNDED, COMBAT IS COMBAT -- AND I AM FRIENDS WITH 'NAM VET RANGERS, MARINES, AND SEALS WHO RESPECT MY AND MY UNIT'S SERVICE JUST AS I RESPECT THEIRS!

Don't you ever again even imply that!

Yes, I and others know that politics got some into the Guard and Reserves as a way to avoid the draft. And we abhor those who pulled such strings as much as you -- and very likely more.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 01:37 PM

Dead is dead and it's not a matter of degree.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 01:48 PM

I did 4 years in the Coast Guard. I believe it was Lowell Thomas who called the Coast Guard the "Draft Dodgers Yacht club". Apparently, he didn't know that the Guard is part of the Navy during wartime, and when there is no war they are risking life and limb pulling idiots out of the water in howling gales. I wish he could have been with us up in the Davis Straights in a number 9 sea in January.
Fact is, the Coast Guard lost more men, per capita, than any other branch of the armed services during WW2.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 01:54 PM

You have to go out. You don't have to come back. Crazy and brave.

This GUEST is not too bright. Forget his crap, guys and gals. You know what you've done and what it took to do it. This GUEST may never have to test the depth of his courage or commitment. But then, it has been your job to protect people like that. Alone, that should let you know who the 'real' folks are.

Bruce M

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 02:03 PM

For your information, I did my time and I'm disabled as a result, so don't judge me Mate.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST,Cretinous Yahoo
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 02:04 PM

Apparently I was mis informed. My apologies.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:04 PM

Sorry, buddy. But slaggin' the NG and saying stuff like "it's not that many who paid a price" doesn't do you any honour. I apologize for my assumption and presumption. Maybe you should consider doing that, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:36 PM

I only apologize when I'm wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 03:41 PM

Yeah, so apologize.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Dec 04 - 04:30 PM

GUEST, why would you want to diminish the service of people who served and saw action in wars as a part of the National Guard? Service is service, whether or not it was in your favorite branch of the Military.   It takes as much courage to face a bullet as a member of the National Guard as it does to face a bullet as a member of the Marines, or the Army, or whatever. Let's not be diminishing the service and the sacrifice of any of our servicemen and women who served in wars.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 03:27 PM

Carol C I clearly said I did not intend to downplay death. What I was trying to say was, you cannot compare the commitment of National Guard with that of regular army, and the losses show that to be true. Stop reading in what is not there.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:56 PM

among the real soldiers.

I was referring to this term, used by a GUEST. If you didn't post that, I was not addressing you. If you did post that, I was, and am still addressing you.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Ooh-Aah2
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 05:40 PM

You young people in your funny little colony don't know the meaning of casualties, war losses and so on. On the first DAY of the Battle of the Somme in 1916 Britain lost 20,000 dead - I think the Yanks lost around 55,000 in the ENTIRE Vietnam war - absolute peanuts. From the way you carry on about it you would think that such a minute number of dead was a big deal. When the RAF bombed Cologne, tens of thousands of civilians died in a night. I won't even mention what the Russians went through in the Second World war - about 20 MILLION I think it was, most of them civilians.

It is no wonder that Americans have a penchant for starting wars all over the place - on a national level, you don't know, or have forgotten, what it is to suffer really heavy casualties. Until then you will continue to sneer at war-haters as crybabies. The real problem with Vietnam was that it was the Vietnamese, not the Americans, who had millions dead, not thousands. If this had been reversed you might finally have got the message into your thick heads and war-mongers like Bush would have 0 chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: kendall
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 07:37 AM

Everything is relative. To a germ, good health is a type of disease.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 07:39 AM

When a mother's son dies in war, the casualty rate is 100% to that mother.

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 07:42 AM

So, how many wars have England started all around the world? And how many Americans have died fighting FOR England?

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 09:34 AM

I'm waiting...

Subject: RE: BS: Crybabia
From: Peace
Date: 21 Dec 04 - 09:49 AM

It's a question with no answer, except maybe, "Too many."