Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:27 PM I used to love to smoke, and I still crave a cigarette now and then. I gave up ten years ago, and I think I've cheated and had two or three since then. Smoking has been widely restricted here in California for almost twenty years, and now it's heavily taxed. If it weren't restricted, I don't know if I would have been able to quit. I'm glad the laws restrict it so much. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Peace Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:24 PM I just noticed a typo which the more astute will see immediately. Freud at work I suspect, me having just finished posting to the Naked Older Women thread. Was completely accidental. LOLLOLLOL |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Peace Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:21 PM There is a bra like that in Edmonton called The Library. It houses a few walls of books and people go there to have a few and read whatever catches their fancy. Does a good business--it's been there for years. (Rather, it was there last time I noticed about five or six years back.) |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: John Routledge Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:04 PM As well as tax revenue implications the Brewer's Lobby in the UK is powerful even by US standards.:0) |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: jacqui.c Date: 17 Nov 04 - 07:52 PM Kendall here. Actually, the saying goes, A smoking section in a public place is like a pissing section in a swimming pool. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Nov 04 - 06:55 PM I wish I could find a library that had a bar. Though in a way, I have. Our local Wetherspoon's pub has a wall of old books, some of them pretty good. The only trouble is, you are half way trough something, but when you come back next time, someone has half-inched it. It's in the non-smoking part too - though the smoke doesn't read the notices. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Nov 04 - 05:31 PM Every library I've been in for the last 20 years has put that stupid "No talking" rule in the trash where it belongs :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Bill D Date: 17 Nov 04 - 05:13 PM I grew up in a house full of smoke, and always hated it....In my lifetime I have see things go from cigarette butts and smoke everywhere to seeing CLEAN floors in markets and most bars. If smoking had never been invented, and some company came along tomorrow and wanted to market this weed you dried, chopped up, wrapped in paper and set alight, then inhaled the smoke....you KNOW what the various health agencies in the developed world would say after testing it. "No way, folks...that stuff is full of poisons!" The only reason it isn't totally banned now is that they get so many taxes from it, and they don't want all those serious smokers running around having fits and becoming social problems as they try to quit cold turkey! I wish I was gonna live to see the last tobacco plant chopped up and ritually burned....downwind. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: chris nightbird childs Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:36 PM Pretty soon no drinking and no talking. Be like the library! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Peace Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:29 PM And if they come to where I am and tell me the smoke bothers them, I tell them to take a good walk, because that's the polite thing to do. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Peace Date: 17 Nov 04 - 03:31 PM However, it's not about making cars or smoking illegal; rather, it's about smokers going elsewhere to smoke. As a bachelor, I don't smoke in the house, anyway. I go sit outside. If people object, I will smoke inside. Easy. Not a big deal. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:45 PM Cars have killed more people in North America than all the wars in the 20th Century.... Smoking has killed even more than that... And well, we're likely to simply run out of fossle fuel LONG before we run out of tobacco... And as stated above, like it or not, the automobile is a necessity for modern life... a cigarette isn't... |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:40 PM All I am suggesting is that people who drive them should be the last to criticise smokers, since their wretched, out-of-date smoke machines are doing far more harm. Sigh... I keep trying to explain but perhaps it is me not being clear enough. Wretched out-of-date smoke machines they may be but what is the alternative? Give me a good alternative way to travel to every inaccesible corner of the UK carrying boxes of computer equipment and I will give up my car tomorrow. Give me a way of getting 40 kilograms of HP server from Manchester to Cambridge on my own without taking all day and I will take it. Stopping smokers killing non-smokers is dead easy. Come up with a feasible alternative transport system and you will be the saviour of mankind! Good luck in your quest for a perfect world;-) Dave the Gnome |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Chris Green Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:34 PM McGrath - you're a genius, sir! :) |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Once Famous Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:29 PM I was a two pack a day smoker for a long time until 8 years ago when I completely quit. My singing voice has never been better. I wish they would ban it everywhere, especially outside in public places. There is a favorite beach community I vacation in and it is disgusting to have my fresh air contaminated by smokers. However, I completely understand that it is a major addiction and people should do whatever they can to get off of cigarettes. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: ard mhacha Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:26 PM It is working in Ireland, no matter what some of the miserable Publicians say, it is a breath of fresh air to enter a Pub and not be met with a stinking smoggy atmosphere, c`mon the rest of the world and take this brave step. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:26 PM Any time you feel the urge to smoke is getting too much, just pop down the pub. It should make quitting much more enjoyable. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Chris Green Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:19 PM Speaking as a smoker, I actually welcome the ban. I've tried to give up before, but pubs are the one place I find it really, really difficult. Perhaps this'll help me pack it in once and for all! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts Date: 17 Nov 04 - 02:12 PM Dave --- of course cars aren't going to be banned in the interests of health. All I am suggesting is that people who drive them should be the last to criticise smokers, since their wretched, out-of-date smoke machines are doing far more harm. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:48 PM Strikes me that people who make a fuss about having to pop outside to smoke, which is the polite thing to do anyway, are just whinging. What's the big deal? And in any case it looks like there'll still be smoking pubs, so long as they don't serve food. The best pub I know doesn't serve food anyway. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM Are cars going to be banned in the interests of public health? Are those who object to cigarette smoke going to stop driving cars so that we don't have to breathe their deadly benzine? Not this old chestnut again! Sorry Barrie, it just doesn't work that way. There are thousands, if not millions, of things out there that can kill you. The vast majority we have no control over at all. The next lot, like the infernal combustion engine, we do have some control over but are very difficult to do anything about. Burning of fossil fules will be banned eventualy but at the moment we have no real alternative. Until we do it is a very necessary evil. The remainder of things that can kill you are usualy drug related. These we CAN do something about very simply and very easily - so we do! Live with it. We will kill people in our cars until a good alternative arrives. We have no excuse at all for killing people simply for our own pleasure! I used to hand-roll btw - and it is one of the few exceptions I would make! The 'output' is nothing compared to a tailor made. I am also surprised to see that benzine is in there - I thought it was only added to store boughts, along with saltpetre, to make them burn quicker? Cheers DtG |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Tam the Bam (Nutter) Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:20 PM I support the Ban, however if people want to kill themselves with smoking do it somewhere else. However what about these people the drive cars and such like that pollute the athomsphere, which will end up killing everyone. I would rather has smoke than no Air. but ban it anyway, because I think it's good for you health. which is better your health or your wealth. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:13 PM "It is a major problem for a growing portion of the population." Ummm... I find that very hard to believe... besides... a few people getting sick a year hardly compares to the hundreds of thousands of people who die every year from smoking, (direct and 2nd hand) Nor can one 'tailor' the world for every special case... So I'm afraid I have no alternative but to dismiss your 'angle', sorry... |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts Date: 17 Nov 04 - 01:01 PM Amidst all the smoke and confusion, may a mere smoker cite a few facts? When I buy my rolling tobacco in the UK, the pouch carries warnings in bold black letters on white labels. One warns that tobacco contains benzine. Nasty stuff benzine. The Auschwitz doctors used to kill off their experimental victims with a needle of benzine. Unfortunately, it can be found in petrol and diesel fumes. The UK National Radiological Ptotection Board ( a government body) has recently issued figures showing that, of every 1,000 cases of lung cancer in the UK, 30 are caused by smoking, 3 by natural radon emissions from the ground and .3 by 'passive smoking'. That suggests that passive smoking is not the dread danger it was thought to be. Where do the other 900-odd cases come from? Could it be motor vehicle fumes? Are cars going to be banned in the interests of public health? Are those who object to cigarette smoke going to stop driving cars so that we don't have to breathe their deadly benzine? |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Paco Rabanne Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:52 AM Etes vous Francais aussi McGrath? |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Sttaw Legend Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM Your being very polite McGrath - its complete bollocks cholera disappeared years ago. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:38 AM I'm not too sure that was actually what the French would recognise as being French. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Paco Rabanne Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM J'ai eu assez de vous des hippies mais au lieu de partir dans une colere, je protesterai en signalant seulment en francais!!!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Dave Bryant Date: 17 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM At one of the pubs which "Travelling Folk" used to sing in there was a notice on the wall which read something like: When you smoke, the unpleasant waste product of your addiction gets into my lungs, hair, and clothes and also the upholstery and fabric of the room itself. I don't smoke myself, but I am partial to a few pints of beer. I have to admit that my habit also has a waste product. How would you like it if after a few jars, I was to pee all over your hair and clothes ? This atitude of the landlord did seem to cut down the amount of fug quite considerably, without itseemed damaging his trade or the conviviality of the establishment. Unfortunately the pub has been under new management for some years now and is now a very smoky venue. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Hand-Pulled Boy Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:29 AM In Ted's defence he does roll his own. Plus he likes harriWatts band. If driving is unsafe by the use of mobile phones and drinking from cans etc., then someone driving whilst sat in a cloud of smoke dropping hot ashes into their laps must also be classed as dangerous. Inhaling carbon monoxide in a confined space is a killer too. I just thought I'd mention that if anyone's got nowt better to do. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: MMario Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:24 AM Just to address Clinton's "I've never seen anyone die from hairspray or incense" I haven't seen anyone die - but I have seen people spend three and four weeks in the hospital from short exposure (under 15 minutes) - I've seen people require medical attention from less then a minutes exposure. It is a major problem for a growing portion of the population. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Sttaw Legend Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:13 AM "A musician friend of mine has lung cancer. He has played in pubs and clubs for the past 30 years. He is a non-smoker." A quote from Dr Brian Good in human cost to tobacco |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Paco Rabanne Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:09 AM Would love to stop and chew this over with you all, but I have to pop out now to indulge in a spot of fox hunting. TTFN. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:01 AM Ted, I have a right to smoke, people who do not smoke have a right not to be poisoned by my smoke. Fair enoughski by my reckoning I don't have a problem with standing outside whilst I inflict damage upon myself, it seems to be working OK in Eire |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:00 AM I wonder if public places will include Asda car parks? I saw a young woman on Saturday take her two small children to the car, which she had dilligently parked in the Mother/Child spot so the children were in no danger crossing the car park. She carefully strapped them in child restraints in the back so they were safe from other drivers. Got in herself, fastened the seat belt, closed the windows and then lit up a cigarette! I couldn't believe it. I was on the point of saying something when I realised that someone who puts the lives of her own children on the line is not likely to be a reasonable person... Cheers DtG |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:44 AM "Real men get cancer" (and so do the people sitting next to them). Oyright prohibition wouldn't work, it never does. Stopping it in pub where food is on sale seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Nobody is saying people shouldn't smoke tobacco where it doesn't get in the face of other people. I wish they'd bring in a comparable policy on cannabis. Why it's supposed to take four years to introduce this minor reform seems a bit hard to understand. It didn't take Ireland anything like that, and it won't take Scotalnd that long either. The three toed sloth should be made the national emblem for England... |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: The Beast of Farlington Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:41 AM 'Hull Smoking Club Trips Out' I don't think so. Hur,hur, hur! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Sttaw Legend Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:37 AM Smoking epidemic Health Development Agency |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: MBSLynne Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:32 AM I assume super ted isn't one of the considerate smokers I mentioned before then? He sounds like one of the ones who is determined to make sure we all smoke (by inhaling his second hand stuff) and suffer from the consequent ill-health and possible death because of it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:31 AM Why do lentil vests belong at home! I demand equal rights for lentil vests. They should be able to sit in the pub and smoke to their hearts content if they want... :D |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Paco Rabanne Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM I refuse to back down on this point Nicholas (in purple) Non smokers should sling their hooks from pubs, and sit at home knitting lentil vests where they belong. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM Smoking is good for you, it puts hares on your chest. My dad smoked all his life, and he lived to be 52. |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:14 AM Ted ... sweetie ....... fasten your trousers, you're talking through your arse again We make a choice to purchase something that we know is heavily taxed, there are many related costs to the nation through ill health, loss of production etc etc and the associated costs of treatment is astronomical |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Sttaw Legend Date: 17 Nov 04 - 06:29 AM You need to pay more to cover your health care!! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Paco Rabanne Date: 17 Nov 04 - 06:26 AM NON SMOKERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM PUBLIC PLACES! WHY? Because us smokers pay far more indirect tax than you lot, so we should take precedence! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Hand-Pulled Boy Date: 17 Nov 04 - 06:17 AM It's no secret, I can fart loudly! When I do it next to a smoker and they complain I simply say that 'fairs fair', so to speak. The only downside of 2008's smoking ban is that I'll have to stop eating baked beans. So, just 4 year's flatulence left! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: treewind Date: 17 Nov 04 - 03:37 AM The revenue from tobacco has less value than the nationwide loss of working hours caused by smoking-related disease (mostly bronchitis). The smoking ban in pubs will apply only if they sell food. There was some twit on the radio last night complaining that publicans who sell food now might have to revert to drink-only establishments or their smoking customers will be driven away by a smoking ban. Has he not noticed that many pubs have already voluntarily banned smoking in their eating area or even totally? Does he think they did that for altruistic reasons? It is a simple commercial decision. Get rid of the smoke and you'll get MORE customers - all the ones who don't smoke, are allergic to it or just don't want to spend the evening getting kippered. Oh, and noobody yet has brought up one of my favourite quotes on the subject. I don't know who said this first: "A restaurant with a no-smoking area is like a swimming bath with a no-peeing area" Anahata |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: ossonflags Date: 17 Nov 04 - 03:15 AM What concerns - and enrages me - is the duplicity of this government.At one hand putting danger signs on cigarette packets. on the other hand expecting millions of pounds revenue. If they are relly seriouse about peoples health, why not go the whole hog and ban the sale of tobacco? |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Nov 04 - 07:59 PM no it wan't, it was ed! |
Subject: RE: BS: Smoking in public to be banned (UK) From: kendall Date: 16 Nov 04 - 07:55 PM That was not Jacqui, it was I. |