BS: America commits war crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 09:45 PM

"In a book based on interviews before his execution, American Terrorist, McVeigh stated he decapitated an Iraqi soldier with cannon fire on his first day in the war, and celebrated. But he said he later was shocked to be ordered to execute surrendering prisoners, and to see carnage on the road leaving Kuwait City after U.S. troops routed the Iraqi army."

Think about this, Guest US.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 09:46 PM

It is all well and good for you to cheer these kids from a safe seat somewhere. They pay a heavy price for your bravado. War changes people. Sometimes permanently. Don't be so quick to cheer.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 10:36 AM

Nader: Impeach Obama for war crimes

Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader says President Obama should be impeached for committing "war crimes" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The consumer advocate and former presidential candidate said in an interview that aired Friday that Obama has committed "war crimes" on the same level as President Bush.

"Why don't we say what's on the minds of many legal experts; that the Obama administration is committing war crimes and if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached," Nader said in an interview with the anti-war Democracy Now! organization.

Nader's comments came before the U.S. on Saturday launched military strikes into Libya, but they are among the toughest criticisms Obama has endured from the left.

The consumer advocate participated in an anti-war demonstration outside the White House this weekend, during which more than 100 protesters were arrested.

The U.S. sought the passage of a U.N. Security Council resolution and commitments from European and Arab nations before taking action in Libya to thwart the country's leader, Col. Moammar Gadhafi, from killing civilians amidst a rebellion against his regime.

Nader's comments, however, were mainly directed at Obama's prosecution of the Afghanistan war. Some liberal activists have objected to Obama's decision to escalate the war and are unhappy with government's treatment of Bradley Manning, the Army private accused of leaking classified documents to the organization WikiLeaks.

"Bush officials were considered war criminals by many people. Now, Barack Obama is committing the same crimes," Nader said. "In fact, worse ones in Afghanistan. Innocents are being slaughtered, we are creating more enemies, he is violating international law."

Obama appears to be facing growing resistance from the left over his administration's foreign policy.

Anti-war filmmaker Michael Moore sharply criticized the president's authorization of military strikes in Libya and a cadre of liberal House Democrats are questioning the constitutionality of the Libya operation.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 10:45 AM

Just so soon as Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney & the rest of the BuShite criminals are tried & convicted, Sawz, we can move on to Pres. Obama.
OPne thing at a time.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 11:24 AM

That is the best excuse err, reason to allow Obama to commit war crimes that I have heard yet.

Can you tell me the logic in this Mr. Logician?

If there is any logic in this equivocation, it exonerates "the BuShite criminals" of any wrongdoing.

If Obama does it, it is OK because Bush did it and was never prosecuted.

Obama does it too so it must have been OK when Bush did it because he was never prosecuted.

By that reasoning Bush should be prosecuted because it is wrong and Obama should be prosecuted too.

Your logic is over ridden by Tribal Politics. You must accept wrongdoing by members of your tribe while complaining about the same wrongdoings of the other tribe.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 11:44 AM

Rubbush. Learn to read and understand the English Language, Sawz.

Not only did I say none of those things, but there is no reason for you to assume that I "meant" them- unless you're simply making things up & pulling stuff out of your arse as per usual.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 12:11 PM

I never said you said any of those things. You are accusing me of something I did not do.

I merely stated that your line of reasoning in the statement "soon as Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney & the rest of the BuShite criminals are tried & convicted, Sawz, we can move on to Pres. Obama.
OPne thing at a time." Would lead to the other conclusions. The same logic as in A+B=C means C-A=B or C-B=A or C=A+B

Perhaps you need to study the English language.

You need to study logic too because your only logic consist of false accusations to defend your lack of logic.

You imply that it is OK for Obama to do the same things that Bush did because Bush has not been prosecuted yet.

Please note that imply is a different word than said. They mean two different things.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 12:17 PM

"You imply that it is OK for Obama to do the same things that Bush did because Bush has not been prosecuted yet."

The real question here is why people who commit war crimes are not being prosecuted. So, I ask: why is it that people who commit war crimes are not prosecuted?

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 12:25 PM

If we got around to prosecuting all the presidents (and other national leaders) whose actions have led to war crimes being committed....there'd be a whole lot of politicians up on trial. War itself is a great crime, particularly when it's a war of choice...(as opposed to defending your own ground against a foreign invasion and occupation). Anyone has a clear right to defend his own ground, territorial waters, and air space. No one has a right to unilaterally decide to invade someone else's, just because "they might attack us one day" or "they might do this, that or the other thing we don't agree with" or "they might have or be planning to build this or that weapon which we already have so many of ourselves that we can hardly figure out how to pay for all of them".

For practicing gross hypocrisy like that, I think it would be very appropriate to put a number of our politicians (past and present) on trial. It's not a partisan matter. It's a matter of basic moral principle that goes beyond partisan loyalties.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 12:38 PM

"why is it that people who commit war crimes are not prosecuted?"

It's a matter of sheer power, that's all. "Might makes right." The only time high level war criminals (like heads of state) are prosecuted for war crimes is when they become prisoners of a conquering power, following a military conflict....or....

...sometimes a few of the small fry (ordinary soldiers) will go on trial as an exhibition to mollify public outrage. They are then sacrificed, but their top commanders and their political leaders go free.

And so it has always been. Might makes right is the functioning rule of international politics.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: kendall
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 01:12 PM

It all started when they hit us back.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 01:24 PM

No offense: all that's well and good, but the answers don't answer my question.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 01:36 PM

Okay. How would you answer it? I think another possible answer is: "because they have friends in high places"

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 02:04 PM

OK, LH, that I understand.

Subject: RE: BS: America commits war crimes.
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 03:29 PM

Authoritarianism, right or wrong is the cry of the war criminals.
Hegemony is nothing new, the US has been doing it for years.
How about McKinley in the Phillipines for example?

Hypocrisy in foreign policy has become de rigueur.

Hillary is a hawk and Obama is in bed with the MIC.

What do you expect?

The World Court has no power to extradite the US let alone Bush and Obama.

The OWS is supporting world peace and condemnation of the Obama Doctrine.