BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?

Subject: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,ron
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 09:51 PM

Is Karaoke a ligitimate form of music?
does any one have any experience of it here, I think it is great!
I am looking for Karaokee
songs that can be made from any sourceany help

thanks

ron

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 11:16 PM

Not great - the greatest. Just stay sober enough to find the mike and the monitor. If not, sloshed friends can turn you in the right direction and prop you up. Drink lots. Smoke dope outside in the night frost. You don't have to practice. You don't have to tune instruments. Listen to those backup singers. Listen to those wonderful musicians. Listen to that punchy recording. Can't sing in key? Good for a laugh. Sing, "You ain't woman enough to take my man," before she does. Totter off the foot high stage. Twist you ankle. Get carried to a table by fellow inebriates. Dance watching her body shouting to strange woozy men. Watch her dance a slow one with an old flame after you trudge off angrily. Punch your cousin in the face. Smash her glasses.   Wake the bouncers. Give them good reason to beat the crap out of you. Make them laugh, put their arms around you and walk you outside to sober up. Fight family and friends in the parking lot. Swear at the drug-dealer before he gets killed with a baseball bat. Slash tires. Piss by the front fender of the car. Let her overhear you saying, "Do we have to drive that bitch?" Then tell her "You're ok, not really a bad person." Make her wonder, "Who said I wasn't ok? What the fuck are they saying about me?" Chase after your drug-crazed mother in your mini skirt and heels. Confuse the gray-haired man's Chrysler with a taxi. Jump in the front seat. Drive off drunk. Turn up the radio until the speakers fart. Listen to her rant all night when you want to sleep. Tell each other you had a great time. Get that urge to sing again as you sober up.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 11:28 PM

I sung a bit of Karaoke once years ago. I did it as a bit of a joke. And that's how I still think of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Bert
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 12:31 AM

It's not my scene but it is a step foward to just sitting there listening.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 01:03 AM

Juat about any kind of music is a legitimate form of music.

Maybe not commercials. Or "Jingle Bell Rock."

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Cluin
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 03:57 AM

Sure, and heating up a Swanson's is cooking.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 05:20 AM

Karaoke is for sad twats that can't sing or play proper music.

Let battle commence.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Splott Man
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 05:28 AM

It's become a bit raucous over the years (though I admit it's great fun if you're amongst friends and family), but in it's original Japanese form, it's more gentle and low key, giving an opportunity for non-show-offs to perform songs they love amongst a small group of supportive people.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 05:31 AM

Geez, Splott, you make it sound like a . . . a . . . (gulp) folk club!

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 06:12 AM

Once spent a holiday in Malta in an apartment located next door to an almost all night karaoke bar. Our arrival coincided with its opening and the opening of the bar doors onto the street so that they could spread the "musical happiness". After about a week the local residents had had enough of the racket and managed to get the doors closed, the volume down and the hours curtailed. We no longer needed to catch up on sleep during the daytime , bliss.

Karaoke obviously has its place, the bottom of the Marianas Trench comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 06:22 AM

Karaoke is music in the sense that painting by numbers is art. It's music in the sense that putting a frozen meal in the microwave is cookery, in the sense that building an MFI flatpack is woodwork, in the sense that spending a fortnight drinking in Ibiza is travel. In the sense that watching Big Brother is life.

Worse, by limiting what is acceptable to perform in public to pale imitations of commercial music, it reinforces the idea that only music marketed by entertainment companies and paid for by the consuming public is legitimate.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 07:03 AM

Karaoke sucks!

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,KB
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 07:57 AM

It is the devil's tool. I HATE it. The sound is all fuzzified so that the worst excesses aren't too painful - but that means that good singers sound crap. SO the bad singers make twats of themselves, the good singers make twats of themselves. My little soul cries out "don't do it", as the legions step up to the cringe-athon.
WHY would ANYONE want to do it? euchghghg-hawk-spit.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,milk monitor
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:23 AM

Spookily enough I am currently trying to find a dj/karaoke host for a nightclub in Greece. Has to be really cheesey and eager to work seven nights a week during May 2005 to Oct 2005. As well as being able to fend off ouzo'd up female Mancunians singing 'I Will Survive.'
Accom thrown in at bargain price, two mins from the beach and guaranteed sunshine.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:00 AM

What is the pay?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:02 AM

Okay, first a quote...

"Comparing live music to karaoke is like comparing Picasso to paint-by-numbers" -- Me.

Secondly...
I enjoy karaoke. Yes, it's true. I am in an acoustic duo that covers a lot of different types of music, but not every song I enjoy singing. Also, it does allow both good singers and hackers a way of getting to be on a stage and having fun, and showing off some (occasional) talent. It gives an opportunity for myself to learn some new songs to cover as well, and to see how my range compates to the original. Finally, it gives people a chance to poke fun at themselves with no harm done, except for a few disrupted eardrums. hell, I've won $300 bucks a couple months back for singing one song -- a lot better per song pay than my regular shows, I'll tell ya!

(By the way, we have a couple of companies in this city that host it at various venues that have very professional equipment, so the sound (if not the singing) quality is quite good)

Brian.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:04 AM

There would be enough time to make an informed decision following some in-depth research

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,milk monitor
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:16 AM

Pay will be about £20 per night (no less)....depending on experience etc. Which sounds low, but outstrips bar staff rates and the cost of living is minimal there.

Accom would be an apartment behind the club, also owned by the club.....so could be free. Drinks would be flowing your way all night and eating there is next to nout.

Hours are 8pm to 2am. Club is air con and all decks provided. You could have all day on the beach and be fawned over all evening.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:40 AM

Karaoke is the logical extension of Talkin' World War III Blues – now that Bob's lost the melody. It's folked up music, folks. But you got to go for quality, not to Japan where jaded workers try to forget their long office hours by assassinating their livers. Come to Cape Breton where singers are often unemployed, rested, in fine voice and drunkards just for the fun of it. No, I wouldn't trade one quality Karaoke night with Phil Kasouf at the Radio Club in Glace Bay for all the Al Lomax LPs in your collection (and I've only Karaoked at the Radio Club twice.) I wouldn't trade any of the Northside's finest inbred Karaoker for your entire population of moonshining, cousin-kissing, banjo picking, Appalachian crooners – not even Hank Williams the 47th.   It weren't just ground up record labels in the black vinyl making those awful noises. You should hang down you head Tom Dooley, they replaced your scaffolding, or was it a tree they hung you on, with the Statesville Plywood and Veneer factory.   They changed your fiddle into a banjo. Besides, you should have a better cover story when you stab a woman that many times. (Have you noticed that some mental illnesses don't interfere with our writing – you loquacious bastards? OK, I'm going for treatment.) I'll let you be in my dreams if I you'll let me in yours. He said that. He said a lot too. Perhaps, too much.

Sounds like a worthy gig, milky.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:45 AM

I remember my number one daughter known here as 'sweetfia' jumping up on stage when she was about nine years old, and singing 'A horse with no name' along with a karaoke machine. Aaaaaaaaah, she used to be so cute, what happened?

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:13 AM

"Karaoke obviously has its place, the bottom of the Marianas Trench comes to mind."

isn't that a bit extreme? I'd think the middle of the Gobi desert would suffice....unless you were within 200 miles & downwind.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Mooh
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 10:36 AM

Man, you should hear me sing along with Led Zeppelin! Well, no you shouldn't, but I sure do enjoy bonding with the home stereo!

As for karaoke as a performance phenomenon, I hate it, and I don't get it. It should be burried beside lip-sync competitions in the cultural cemetery.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:35 AM

The Gobi desert is much too near civilisation, besides it would upset the camels. No, I think that an ichthyological gerfuffle is much more suitable. "KARAOKIST SAVAGED BY ENRAGED MUSIC LOVING DENIZEN OF THE DEEP". What a lovely headline that would make.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,milk monitor
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:57 AM

No takers then...even with ear plugs and copious quantities of Metaxa?

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 11:59 AM

Sorry Milk Monitor, can't give up the day job. Besides I'm too old.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 01:35 PM

Hey, if you don't like it, don't go there. We don't want anybody hanging around who isn't having fun, anyway.

I have very little karaoke experience, but it's been loads of fun when I have attended/participated. No, it's not serious high-quality performance, but it's FUN -- assuming, of course, that one is with a group of friends and everyoneis suitably inebriated.

The most enjoyable karaoke session I've been to was part of a "younger-generation" wedding weekend earlier this year (where my older son was best man.) After separate bachelor and hen parties, the entire group met at a karaoke venue, aleady suitably sloshed. My favorite moment was witnessing my boy with his buddy the groom and a half-dozen others singing *all* the words (including all the Pips' background interjections) with Gladys Knight's version of "Midnight Train to Georgia" -- complete with enthusiastic but stumbling amateur-hour choreography. Hilarious! (Well, ya hadda be there, I guess.)

I think Flattop's posts (above) capture the spirit very nicely.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Cluin
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 03:45 PM

It ain't about exposing the talented. It's almost always about laughing at those willing to make fools of themselves.

Come to think of it, that's kind of like my regular bar gigs.... DOH!

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: bengi
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 04:32 PM

Karaoke is fun , don't you think so Flattop?

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Once Famous
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 06:00 PM

I agree with Poppa Gator's common sense answer.

It seems the ones who hate it are the most threatened by it, quite possibly some insecure musicians.

People go to a karaoke bar to have fun. sounds a lot better than going to watch some depressing and warbling folksinger contemplate his naval fuzz.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 07:31 PM

thanks for the out put

I am 71 ye old man and started last year in Fl
I go 2 times a week and hear some very good singers

I sing only Irish music

slan

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: beetle cat
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 07:42 PM

anyone know the history of it?

i find it fascinating, how its become so popular.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:29 PM

Definately bengi. You could win a prize.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:57 PM

It can be high-quality performance GatorPopper. If you heard Lenny sing Here In The Real World or He Stopped Loving Her Today, you'd bawl in your beer. Can't go to karaoke tonight, got some reading to do.

Found a couple of National Enquirers on top of the recycle. They seem to have stories other publications missed. For example, the November 1st issue has a story "Jealousy Gone Mad, Woman Chains Up Lover Like a Dog."

He was working two jobs. She, thinking he was away from home too much, whacked him in the head with a crowbar, chained him, dragged him down the basement and locked the chain to a metal pole, left him there. Fortunately, it was a bicycle lock which he was able to break to make his escape.

Why haven't we heard of this story in the mainstream media? Why can't I find it in the wwww? Is this a coverup by FBI or NBC?

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Cluin
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 12:48 AM

I saw it in a TV show. A fictional one.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Splott Man
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 07:51 AM

As far as I know it originated in Japan and literally means "empty orchestra"

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:11 AM

http://www.bartleby.com/61/51/K0015150.html

ETYMOLOGY: Japanese : kara, void, empty + oke(sutora), orchestra (from English orchestra).


http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=43316&dict=CALD

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Definition
karaoke   [Show phonetics]
noun [U]
a form of entertainment, originally from Japan, in which recordings of the music but not the words of popular songs are played, so that people can sing the words themselves:
a karaoke bar/machine/night

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:03 AM

I'm actually rather surprised (and pleasantly so) that there have been a couple of favorable comments on here re: this... I guess there has been a slight bit of thread creep though. To get back to that, I would say that Karaoke is music, insofar as a key component is music-based, the same as going to a dance with a DJ is music. I would not say that it is live music, despite the live component of it.

Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:32 AM

KARA OKE in Yorkshire = CACK

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 04:47 PM

I'm intrigued by the notion of "original" karaoke as practiced in Japan. In the movie "Lost in Translation," a small group is in a little private room, entertaining each other with karaoke singalongs -- quite different from the mob scene at the Cat's Meow on Bourbon Street (most prominent karaoke venue in New Orleans).

What I like *least* about the karaoke venues I've witnessed is when the MC hogs too much performance time, e.g., every other song. Power to the people!

I know that it's not always about bad/laughable performances -- sometimes there are very good performances. I've seen duos and trios with very carefully worked-out arrangements, singing with great and infectuous enthusiam. And, when done well, I'd say that karaoke singing is indeed worthwhile "live performance" -- of course, you have to take the good with the bad (and the ridiculous) over the course of an evening.

Of course, any time that *I* have participated, it's been absolutely first-rate :^)

Flattop, I can see that you fully understand the etymology of my psuedonym! Can I assume that you've popped a few gators in your time, too?

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:00 PM

We don't have em in the great white north, PoppaGator. The wild things up here have fur on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Cluin
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:01 PM

We've got wolverines.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:26 PM

It can also be a useful and delicious form of blackmail. I have a recording of a family member, the musical antithesis of sweetness and light, singing Don't Worry Be Happy and every time I've ever listened to it, I've ended up ROTFLMAO.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:16 PM

The Phantom of the Karaoke acts more bizarre than the Phantom of the Opera.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:31 PM

well at least with karaoke, no matter how mediocre your voice, you don't have to f**k the composer in order to get on stage.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Once Famous
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 09:38 PM

I disagree with ToulouseCruise.

It is live music. At least the singing is. It is not the same as a DJ playing music. There is definately a performance and artistic element to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: GUEST,KB
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:05 AM

Wolverines Cluin? Well - they'd mostly be an improvement. Get 'em to step up to the mic.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Gervase
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:13 AM

Remins me of my legendary Schmidas Touch. Back in 1979 I was approached by a bloke in Great Yarmouth who dealt in band equipment to see if I was interested in joining him in marketing a new Japanese gadget - the Singing Machine. No call for it, I thought, and turned him down.
Lucky sod went on to make a packet around the clubs and bars and kick-started the karaoke craze in the UK. Mind you, could I have lived with the guilt at sharing responsibility for all those lousy renditions of 'My Way'?

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 08:32 AM

I don't blame you for disagreeing with me, Martin, as I sort of disagree with myself... here I am, strictly a vocalist (the only thing I play is the CD player and the radio back home), saying that the singing component doesn't count as music.

I hereby sentence me to 12 hours of continuous karaoke, to be followed by the expected period of mourning for my eardrums.

Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: flattop
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 09:08 PM

Karaoke could easily have come from the Japanese translating greek words like, charis opis (grace and awe), into Hiragana. You know, with accents, Ls & Rs and all that. Grace and awe would fit with the finest of Karaoke, creme de la karaoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Karaoke,isnt this music?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Dec 04 - 09:17 PM

WHAT DOES KARAOKE MEAN?
Karaoke is a word formed from putting two Japanese words together. "Kara" that comes from Karappo and means empty and "Oke", shortened from Okesutura meaning "orchestra". So Karaoke means "empty orchestra"

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