BS: The 1960s was crap.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 05:26 AM

I think it's a little unfair to dismiss the '60s as crap (or anything else) simply because not everything worked out exactly as we envisioned it. Nothing good ever does. But a lot of things got started in the '60s which have yet to reach fruition. The Age of Aquarius for example.

What would life be like now if we had gone straight from the '50s to the '70s? Silly question. No point asking it. The 60's didn't change history, the '60 WAS history.
(I subscribe to the collective noun theory)

John

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 04:35 AM

Poignant memory

1971 sitting with friends in a pub in my college town of Grantham Lincolnshire - Margaret Thatchers hometown - founder member of the right wing backlashers.

Paul MacCartney's Another Day came on the juke box.

I remember saying , Oh shit! You didn't need to be a Beatle to write that. The party's really over now....

none of my friends believed me at the time. they do now.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 04:30 AM

Martin, there is no way anyone can blame the 60's for aids but it can be blamed for the so called "Permissive Society" that made for the rapid spread of aids.
HOWEVER> I most remember the 60's for "The Beatles".."The Rolling Stones" and the advent of many other Rock/Pop groups. The 60's heralded a revolution in many things..particularly types of music and the arrival of the larger concerts that are now part of the everyday scene.
The whole period was definitely not C... as suggested...It was a time of re-learning...a sort of renaissance of musical learning and Social learning which may not have been altogether good but was a great experience to live through.
I'm glad I was there!! But with the sentiments of Strollin' Johnnie....it is all a long time in the past...we have moved on and on and on and now we are in the 2000's..So lets LIVE them through...as long as we are able.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: LadyJean
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:58 AM

I miss the music. It was music not commercial rubbish. I miss the faith that we could make the world better. I miss the styles. Now I can finally afford a leather vest with lots of fringe I can't wear one. Oh, and how I miss my peasant dresses. I was a great one for peasant dresses.
When the 60s began all kinds of discrimination was OK, Blacks, Jews, Catholics, the disabled, the just plain odd, were victims of a society that said a good person was a good white Protestant, who could work for General Motors.
When the 70s began, that notion was well on the way out. Good riddance!

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Metchosin
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:55 AM

"Did a better world derive from the ideals of the 60's?"

Ask that of someone who was forced to sit in the back of the bus because of the colour of his skin.

Ask that of someone who worked to get some birds back from the brink of extinction because of high concentrations of DDT in their eggs.

Ask that each time an area is set aside as a another park in order to protect habitat.

Ask the Vietnamese people if they preferred then to now.

I never believed in fairy tale endings but some things definitely changed for the better. However, you don't just blow your wad and then figure you've done your bit and sit back on your ass. Its a little too early to tell and as such, I'm not ready to write it off yet.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: number 6
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:52 AM

HeHe, they were good Brucie

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:48 AM

Wet Dream Over You.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: number 6
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:47 AM

The 60's did produce an eclectic, outrageous band called the Fugs. We'll definately never see and hear a band like that again!

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:43 AM

I was 20 years old in 1961. It was simply an incandescent time that envigorates me intelectually to this very day. I also agree with Bill D and his good insights. I agree with all threads that echo those posive observations. And I disagree with whatever was said in the other posts.

So there.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: harpgirl
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:34 AM

When I think of the 60's I keep wondering why we do not have an anti-war movement like the one in the sixties. Most of us feel the same way about Iraq that we did about Vietnam. It couldn't just be because of the draft....

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: number 6
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:16 AM

Out of the 60's came some of the best (ever) of jazz, folk, and rock. Other than that, well it was better than the 50's and better than the 70's. Did a better world derive from the ideals of the 60's? Nope, not at all.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Metchosin
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:07 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:07 AM

DON'T BLAME ME!

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Metchosin
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 12:02 AM

Sheep?

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 11:41 PM

But who gave it to the British Navy in the first place?

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 11:28 PM

And what are we going to blame syphilus on.....I know....the British Navy!

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM

Yup. The 60's caused AIDS.
At least its original bullshit for a change.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 11:00 PM

Was there for it.

Had much of my life formed by it and remember enough of it.

I firmly believe that much of the conservative climate that exists today is backlash from it. There was good that came out of it as far as the civil rights movement and there was bad that came out of it such as drugs and the sexual freedom that led to AIDS and way too many out of wedlock children.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:22 PM

The reason the 70's were so great was basically this: the 60's lasted until around about '75.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:18 PM

Glad they came, glad they went. Been there, done that, played the music (so long and loud it buggered my ears), wore the t-shirt out, don't believe in trying to relive history, living in the 2000's now.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Biskit
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:18 PM

I think more was expected of the 60's then they were actually able to give. It was one of those things like communisim,..it looks really good on paper but in the end there is just to much money to be made from the "believers" and the leaders become more corrupt then the folks they're supposed to be against,...But The 70's Wow! Hippy Chicks, tapestry dresses, puchuli (sp) oil,outstanding concerts, did I mention Hippy Chicks?? A man with a guitar and a song in his heart could go far back then,...can't say I remember all of it, put the parts I do remember,...I remember vividly.
Peace! Through understanding.
~Biskit~

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:11 PM

I was there. I remember. Not all 60's folks did those various things to excess. Joan Baez didn't, and she remembers too. Young people had powerful ideals in the 60's and that was what made it such a special time. We believed we could make a better world. And to some extent, here and there, we did.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:11 PM

What Bobert said and pretty much everyone else. Sure there was good and bad, but the good and idealism far outweighed the bad and in many cases overcame the bad. There was a feeling that hasn't been here since. Of HOPE and change for the better.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:08 PM

"60s" is a collective noun? nahhhhhhh...

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:08 PM

Disco. You have reminded me of DISCO. Who put you up to this? WHO? Disco. YMCA dah dah dah dah dah, YMCA. My head hurts. BADDDDDDDDD.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:07 PM

Like they say, "If you remember the '60s, you weren't there."

Jerry's right -- lots of excess, but some of that excess was excesses of tolerance, of caring for others, of breaking down barriers, of changes (yes, not always for the better).

Today we reap the harvest of some of the bad excesses as well: drugs of more and more potency, self-indulgence...you can name more.

"It was the best of times...."

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:05 PM

What is truly crap is RAP!!!!

And "New Country". And hiphop. And techno. And disco.

But especially (C)RAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:01 PM

Now, if we're talking crap, how about right now? Sure, there was a lot of self-indulgence in the 60's, but the advances in breaking down discrimination alone justifies some of the excesses. Most of the idealism was genuine, I think. Not a whole lot of idealism left any more.

I can't believe this is a thread with the word Crap in it that John didn't start...

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:00 PM

Ah, but thinking quickly he says, Rapaire, the term 1960s is meant to imply an era; subsequently, was is correct.

Besides, I was THERE. I lost lotsa brain cells.

Hey, where's GUEST? This thread is for him, you cads.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 09:55 PM

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

Nothing was like we remember it, because we now view it in our tail lights.

And fer shame, brucie -- it should be "The 1960s WERE crap" since the subject ("1960s") is plural. And you an English teacher, too!

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 09:48 PM

The 60's is what seperates us from a time when Bubba thought it was his Consitutional right to string up a nigga on Saturday night...

Fir God's sake, we needed the 60's and we're long overdue for another 60's...

Long live the 60's...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 09:48 PM

i agree. a fantastic time. people who werent there havent lived.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 09:45 PM

It was an absolutely amazing time. I'm glad I was there to see it.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Amos
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 09:40 PM

Decades don't be crap. Especially decades in which man gets sent to the moon, Kennedy gets elected and shot, and the Beatles get famous all in the same period. C'mon.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 09:38 PM

the 60s was when I learned what real, traditional folk music was about. It was pretty good times if you weren't caught up in all the pop culture of the day. (Yeah, it was Vietnam, and all that, too...but...)

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 08:47 PM

OK, it IS bollocks. I said he should start the thread. However, I noticed he hadn't, so I figured I'd save him the time.

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: michaelr
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 08:46 PM

I was 5 when they started and 15 when they ended. Too young to really take part. But I sure learned a lot.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: greg stephens
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 08:44 PM

Bollocks. As far as I remember.

Subject: BS: The 1960s was crap.
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 08:41 PM

I told GUEST on the 'spirituality' thread that I'd start this thread for him and those who want to talk about how misguided people from the 'sixties era' actually were. Here ya go, GUEST. It's all yours.