BS: Bush's complacency

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:58 AM

I'm sorry, beardedbruce. I'm trying to see and understand what you are saying. But all I can see is Amos calling two individual people names (DougR, and Bush). I don't see any posts in this thread where he has made comments about any groups.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:47 AM

Or is it only wrong when you disagree with it?


My statement was that Amos has made comments about a group of people based on his opinions about a single one of them. This is bigotry.


Amos can call Bush stupid or an idiot: That is his opinion. When he tries to label all those who disagree with him as Bushites, and applies the same label,regardless of the individual's statements, THAT is bigotry. Drawing a conclusion about an individual based on the group that individual (may be, or ) is in.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:41 AM

I'm confused, beardedbruce. My understanding of your use of the word "bigot" in this context is that Amos has lumped you into a category that he describes in unflattering terms and it is that generalizing about you that makes him a bigot. Where in this thread did Amos lump you into any categories?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:39 AM

But you have nop problem with Amos using that logic, and insulting all those he disagrees with. It seems to me that you are the one who is out of your mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Nerd
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:19 AM

I don't even know what you're talking about, bb. Sounds like you don't either. Calling Amos a war criminal would be inaccurate. You might categorize it as "guilt by association." It is not bigoted.

Again, you seem to think that anything objectionable is "bigoted." Suddenly, your brilliant logic deduces that you calling all democrats criminals would be ok by me. And that calling Amos a war criminal would be peachy too. You're out of your mind. All of these things would be both logically and morally wrong. But they would not be bigoted.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 01:20 AM

Let me be perfectly clear. It's insulting, petty, small-minded, puerile, and a lot of other things to use the term "bushite."

I DID NOT CLAIM that the term was bigoted- BUT THAT AMOS'S continued use of it and the nasty comments he attaches to it in descibing ALL those who disagree with him IS.

Or are you saying that because I can find a single Democrat or a group of them who are a criminals, I can call ALL democrats criminal and YOU will accept that?

Kerry WAS an admitted war criminal, from his own testimony to Congress and in press conferences during the election. Therefore, am I justified in calling Amos a war criminal becuase he choose to support Kerry? You are telling me that I am. I would have to disagree wit that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Nerd
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 01:12 AM

Yes, sorry bb. It was the exchange with DougR I was thinking of.

I still don't think what you're describing is bigotry. It's not the same as saying that "ALL Moslems are terrorists" or any other spurious religious analogy you care to make.

Either "demicrap" is bigoted, in which case Amos certainly is a bigot, or it is not, in which case it should not bother you. Since it obviously hits close to home, maybe you need to look at your statement that Amos is not a bigot.

Let me be perfectly clear. It's insulting, petty, small-minded, puerile, and a lot of other things to use the term "democrap." It is not bigotry. I object to many things besides bigotry, so I don't see why you think I should have no problem with anything that is not bigotry.

It seems to me from this, bb, that you think "bigotry" means "anything the accuser finds objectionable." That's not what it means, so maybe in your own patronizing words, "you need to look at your statement that Amos is a bigot."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:36 AM

"Also, calling you personally a vindictive little shit is not bigoted. Otherwse anyone who has ever insulted anyone else is a bigot, which stretches the meaning of the word too far. "

1. That was directed at DougR
2. Even if it had been directed at me, I did not say that calling a specific individual a " little shit" was bigotry- The nasty comments about all of us, as "bushites" was what qualified him.


(It is, however impolite and inaccurate to call you a little shit. For one thing, as you point out, you are big.)


Accuracy has not been one of his strong points- that may be why he uses the broader brush of putting all those who disagree with him into a single group, defining what he says we "believe", and then insulting us for that belief, even when we have stated we do not agree with that belief.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:30 AM

Nerd,

As I have stated, Amos IS a bigot on this topic.

He has called a number of us Bushites EVEN AFTER we have stated disagreement with the specific things that Bush has done that he is ranting about. Being Republican does not mean that we deserve the nasty insults that he insists of using.

Are you a bigot if you call ALL Moslems terrorists? THAT is the equvalent. Ask CarolC if she would accept that as "acceptable". It is not to ME.

Either "demicrap" is bigoted, in which case Amos certainly is a bigot, or it is not, in which case it should not bother you. Since it obviously hits close to home, maybe you need to look at your statement that Amos is not a bigot. Just by disagreeing with him, I have already been convicted and sentenced.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Nerd
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:24 AM

Also, calling you personally a vindictive little shit is not bigoted. Otherwse anyone who has ever insulted anyone else is a bigot, which stretches the meaning of the word too far.

(It is, however impolite and inaccurate to call you a little shit. For one thing, as you point out, you are big.)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Nerd
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:22 AM

Beardedbruce, as is often the case, your argument is specious and completely irrational. Amos isn't a bigot. He didn't say anything about about Jews or Catholics, which are religions, or for that matter blacks, who are a race. He said it about Bushites, people who follow a particular political philosophy and particular leader. It's acceptable to call people on political philosophy that you feel is ideologically repugnant. Do you think we need to accept Nazism? Am I a bigot if I say the KKK is full of shit? How about Osama Bin Laden's followers? Bet you'd be quick to condemn THEM.

You yourself keep using the oh-so-clever term "democrap," which you obviously think makes you look smart. But in fact, it makes you a bigass hypocrite, because you are using bad language to condemn a political group you disagree with; the EXACT thing you say makes Amos a bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:18 AM

Teresa - I agree. It wasn't much of a choice.

I will say that Bush is an ignorant moron if he thinks a mom who has to work three jobs to provide for her family is a joke.

I'm sure that Kerry would, at least, listen to her instead of laughing at her.

I think it was a choice between someone who sold his soul to the devil and someone who had a heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:10 AM

Amos

." I was fired on in ambush by Dougie's post, and I don't take kindly to that sort of slur, undeserved and uninvited."

Oh? That is not what I see. Do you claim youhave not predominated on the thread referrred to?


"Uh, does this really deserve a thread of it's own? This would have fit nicely in Amos' priviate thread.

DougR "


"DougR:

Vindictive little shit, aren't you, DougR? Or are you feeling embarrassed about the looney-tunes psychopath you elevated to leadership?

A "


"I am not a bigot. I believe George Bush is an idiot and a spycho path, but I would be more than happy to see him reform."

And your gratuitous nasty comments labelling as "bushites" all who disagree with your "statement" of TRUTH IS being bigoted. Especially after we have stated we do not agree with everything Bush says, or does.

Sorry if the facts hurt.



Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Teresa
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:05 AM

Well, I'm in the unenviable position of not likeing either of the Republicrats' choices.

Bush kind of rises to new heights (or stoops to new lows) every time he opens his mouth. It's scary and hilarious by turns. Kerry talked out of five sides of his mouth, and didn't dare go near the subject of Iraq.

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:00 AM

BB:

Sorry, pal , but that is not the way it is. I was fired on in ambush by Dougie's post, and I don't take kindly to that sort of slur, undeserved and uninvited.

So I fired back and it seems that isn't taken well in these parts.

I am not a bigot. I believe George Bush is an idiot and a spycho path, but I would be more than happy to see him reform. Neither you not Martin seem to understand the actual issues, or are willing to speak to them.

All that said, thanks for the remark about allowing that W might have been a bad choice. Maybe John Kerry was too, I dunno -- trouble is I have never been able to unburden all the lies and assertions being slung around. But that's old water under the bridges.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 11:23 PM

bobert,

""lousy choice" is the operative phrase here. Thank you, bb, for admitting what Amos, myself and others have observed going way back..."


The problem was that the Demicraps choose someone even worse.

And if you read my posts, instead of just telling me how stupid I must be for being something I am not, you might have noticed earlier


Have a nice day

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 10:55 PM

You've got your retirement income guaranteed, DougR. Regardless of what you think, that woman with three jobs does not have a guaranteed retirement income. At least not if W. gets his way.

BTW, Anyone who thinks that someone who is raising kids while holding down three jobs is a freeloader, has cotton candy for brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 10:24 PM

blah, blah, Greg F.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 10:08 PM

"Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're [working three jobs]. Get any sleep?" (Laughter.)

As an example, that's spoken like a true subhuman moron.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 10:07 PM

"lousy choice" is the operative phrase here. Thank you, bb, for admitting what Amos, myself and others have observed going way back...

Welcome aboard...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:59 PM

Cool, beardedbruce. Please don't shave. Great point.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:53 PM

WHO, Greg F.? Evertyone that dares disagree with Amos?

Amos insists on being a closed-minded bigot, who labels anyone who disagrees with him as a Bushite. It seems to me that many of us have stated here that Bush is a lousy choice- BUT the Demicraps were able to pull defeat from the jaws of victory, by their usual stupidity.

And before anyone complains about me calling the Democraps stupid, just ask yourself- if Amos used the type of language he does about "Bushites" in taling about Jews, or Catholics, ALL of you would be all over his ass.


Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:47 PM

Well, if they're going to behave as subhuman morons, they're going to have to learn to take a few hits, no?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:45 PM

Probably what I've got, DougR.

A decent life that you've worked hard for.

Too many free-loaders and "artists in their own minds" here to appreciate what that means.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:42 PM

Amos, you are acting like a fundementalist liberal. Maybe you should consider how YOUR actions and words over the last six months have helped Bush remain in office, by treating those you disagree with as subhuman, regardless of what they say or actually believe.

Have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:37 PM

Oops, Carol C: I didn't mean to slight you. What's it I've got?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 09:36 PM

Nope, Amos, if that description fits, it would probably have to be a big what-you-said. I'm about twenty pounds over weight.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,CarolC
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 02:37 PM

That's strange. Hope this doesn't double post.

What I was saying was, why should DougR care? He's got his. Everyone else can go to hell.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,Carol
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 02:33 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 11:22 AM

DougR:

Vindictive little shit, aren't you, DougR? Or are you feeling embarrassed about the looney-tunes psychopath you elevated to leadership?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: DougR
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 12:39 AM

Uh, does this really deserve a thread of it's own? This would have fit nicely in Amos' priviate thread.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 12:27 AM

Never mind. Found it at

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050204-3.html

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Bert
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 12:25 AM

Come on you knee jerk republicans, step up and justify our illustrious president.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 12:13 AM

Can you tell me where this comes from or give me a link to it?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 06:57 PM

"Uniquely American", my ass. Sounds incredibly "Third World" to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency
From: Fishpicker
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM

Let them eat cake! Typical answer from a person who is completely out of touch with his country, the world and reality. Better luck next time? we can only hope!


                         FP

Subject: BS: Bush's complacency
From: CStrong
Date: 08 Feb 05 - 06:42 PM

BUSH: HOLDING THREE JOBS 'UNIQUELY AMERICAN'
Tues Feb 8 2005 9:27:01 ET

Last Friday when promoting social security reform with 'regular' citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward unscripted moment in which he stated that carrying three jobs at a time is 'uniquely American.'

While talking with audience participants, the president met Mary Mornin, a woman in her late fifties who told the president she was a divorced mother of three, including a 'mentally challenged' son.

The President comforted Mornin on the security of social security stating that 'the promises made will be kept by the government.'

But without prompting Mornin began to elaborate on her life circumstances.

Begin transcript:

MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute.

THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs?

MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.)


I guess the laughter drowned out the crashing sound of Shrub missing the point.