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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Bobert Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:05 PM We know of what you speak, Eb.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 05 - 11:01 PM Incidentally, I got in a hurry- it's 'asininity'. Or did I coin a word? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:24 PM "Poor George. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth." --Ann Richards Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CStrong Date: 15 Feb 05 - 07:37 PM No, Doug, he's not heartless. He has shown himself to be somewhat arrogant, or as I titled this thread, complacent, and often spectacularly dumb. Someone once said W. was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Bobert Date: 15 Feb 05 - 07:21 PM No, Dougie, we are very certain that you are the truest of the true believers. Meanwhile, very intersting article in the Post today entitled "Ex-Aide Questions Bush Vow To Back Faith-Based Efforts" by Alan Cooperman and Jim VandeHei. Seems that David Kuo, who was deputy director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatves thinks there's something real fishy about thie "com passionate conservatism" when it comes to compassion. Kuo says, "No administration since [Lyndon B. Johnson's] has had more successful legislative record than this one. From tax cuts to Medicare, the White House gets what the White House wants. It never really wanted the 'poor people stuff'." Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Date: 15 Feb 05 - 07:03 PM Ebbie: I would hope so too. I'm confident when he made that remark that he did not know the whole story. If and when he learned it, I am also confident that he regretted the remarks he made in jest. I don't believe that GWB is a heartless individual as so many of you do. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Date: 15 Feb 05 - 05:55 PM I would hope the guy cringed at his asinity when it was later pointed out to him by SOMEONE. Surely there is someone who says Nay to the man? DougR, if you take a moment to consider what the woman was actually informing him of, you would see that with three jobs 1) she is not able to be home with her family, 2) none of the jobs are highly paid and 3) none of the jobs have benefits, 4) she is not getting enough rest. Fantastic, isn't it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan Date: 15 Feb 05 - 03:54 PM DougR- "If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor (which must have been accepted because the remark was followed by laughter)." Please enlighten me. I fail to see the humour in this woman's situation. Why would he try to make this into a laughing matter? Do you think it is funny to laugh at the misfortune of others? Do you think it is right for a president to make a joke out of her? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Clint Keller Date: 15 Feb 05 - 02:05 PM I took it as a joke from a man who thinks it's pretty funny to lose sleep when you're pushing 60 because you're working three jobs and caring for a 'mentally challenged' son. You know the expression 'Funny as a rubber crutch?' clint |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Date: 15 Feb 05 - 01:43 PM Yes, Nerd, I do believe you are right. Amos: Thank you. I was expecting remarks such as you wrote. Greg F: Changing the subject? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Nerd Date: 14 Feb 05 - 08:13 PM Actually, Amos, wasn't that Abe Vigoda's line as they took him away to be shot? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. Date: 14 Feb 05 - 04:17 PM If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor... OK then, with that kind of a sense of humor, why're all the BuShites foaming at the mouth and peeing their pants about Ward Churchill's remarks? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:06 PM Thanks, Doug, but I limit myself to attacks on the issues. In your case, the issues are small-mindedness, knee-jerk obedience to a fascist, a disdain for human rights and what appears to me to be an excessive tolerance for murder thinly glorified as national defense. Nothing personal about it, Dougie. "Tell Dougie it was just business--tell him I always liked him...." (M. Brando). :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Date: 14 Feb 05 - 02:03 PM Like we said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Date: 14 Feb 05 - 01:52 PM Ok, Ron, so I read the first post, including the transcript. If one cannot appreciate the fact that the president was merely attempting some humor (which must have been accepted because the remark was followed by laughter). You lefties, however, make a big deal out of it. I assume that all of you who are so incensed have mailed a check to that working mother, right? Ron:it appears to me that the only thing you do well is launch personal attacks. Other than Greg F., who is a master at it, no one them better. DougR Well, on second thought, maybe Amos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Feb 05 - 06:48 PM Mass delusion, Greg F. We're all eternally hopeful, against all experience, that someday Doug R or the other Bushites will have something sensible to say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:30 PM I>Doug-- Do you ever actually read threads, or always just comment without knowing what you're talking about?... If this isn't a rhetorical question Ron, you haven't been paying attention for some years. The man may not be an idiot, but he certainly presents himself as one. Why people persist in engaging him in conversation is beyond me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Feb 05 - 05:30 PM Doug R is truly amazing. And the Bushites wonder why the rest of us don't feel they've earned much respect in political debate. Indeed, I believe we haven't had a Bushite on Mudcat who even attempted to make sense since the dear dead days of Teribus, who after all believed in facts. And Teribus is British. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:41 PM When a guy has spent his life never having to worry about money, and whose only encounter with honest work is occasionally helping clear a little brush around the ranch once in a while then presiding over the barbeque grill, one can hardly expect him to grasp what the woman was talking about. Work. He doesn't know the meaning of the word. One begins to think there are only a few dozen words he does know the real meaning of. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Date: 12 Feb 05 - 04:11 PM Frankly, I don't think he made it into a joke, although he laughed. I think it was merely because his mind is so slow he simply didn't understand the implications of what she had said. And maybe he was also thinking: Ha! And they say there are no jobs out there. Ha! This woman found three of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,TIA Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:50 PM Hello DougR, I am Brit Hume. During a public appearance, President Bush made a woman's distress over having to work 3 jobs to support a mentally challenged child into a joke. (Sorry about the deception, but I don't think he'll hear it unless it comes from a proper source). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:38 PM DougR - Its a good idea to read the first post so that you can familiarize yourself with the topic. After that, read the posts that follow, then make your comments. What do you think about the president's response to the woman with three jobs and a mentally challenged child? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:29 PM DougR, you've outdone yourself! "Gee, I don't know what the thread is about but I have an opinion anyway." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:10 PM Doug-- Do you ever actually read threads, or always just comment without knowing what you're talking about? Check the first post of this thread--hence the title. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM Ron: I don't recall having said that either, though I may have encouraged those who are UNHAPPY living the U. S. to find another country they liked better with my blessing. I really don't know what you are talking about when you mention the lady with three jobs. I'm just not familiar with that. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Date: 12 Feb 05 - 11:56 AM Well the shoe does fit, DougR. It fits you. I've also noticed that a significant percentage of your posts consist of you telling other people to stop talking about what they want to talk about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:48 AM Doug R-- I can't recall specifically having seen you invite somebody who doesn't share your opinions to leave the country---but if Carol C is correct in her assertion that you did in fact say that--you qualify to be a bigot. Sounds like "Love it or leave it" to me. However, to return to the thread, Doug R--just how funny did you think it was that the single mother with a mentally disabled son worked 3 jobs? Bush and his audience seemed to think it was a real knee-slapper. As a Republican, albeit one who voted for Kerry, I'm disgusted in Bush (again). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Date: 12 Feb 05 - 12:56 AM No, CArol C: I merely provided the defintion. If the shoe fits ... Anybody who is under the impression that I do not respect the right of folks to have an opinion other than my own is just wrong. Have at it I say. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:43 PM Thanks, Dougie old boy. Glad to have it clarified. I take back the nasty remarks. You're not really a shit. Dunno about the fair and square part, though. Even if it was a legitimate count, which I wouldn't be too sure about, the underlying pretexts of Bush's candidacy were so distorted and exaggerated that the vote was one by a big inflatable, like the ones that used to March in the Macy's Parade at Easter when I was a kid. Giant, colorful, waving and grinning, barely held down by ropes, full of something like hot air or gas, and not at all what they seem to be, but a sure gatherer of attention and acclimation. Back then, no-one would confuse them witht he real thing, though. That's what troubles me. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:33 PM Wow! What a coincidence! All the people DougR defines as bigots are liberal! What're the odds? Get real, DougR! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:16 PM Seeing as how you regularly invite people in the US who differ with your way of looking at things to leave the country, I think we can safely put you in the "intolerant" category, DougR. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: DougR Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:03 PM Jeeze, some of you folks sure do get bent out of shape over trivial things. According to my dictionary, the definition of bigot is: "a person of strong conviction or prejudice,especially in matters of religion, race, or politics, who is intolerant of those who differ with him." To be truly fair, it seems to me that the Mudcat is LOADED with bigots. I would inclued: Amos, Greg F., Carol C:, Donuel, and many others. Me? I do not consider myself a bigot becauses I AM tolerant of those who differ with me. I accept that those who disagree with my opinion of Bush have every right to do so. And I would defend their right to do so. I like to jab Amos about "his" thread because I think it's pretty silly of him to assume that anyone remotely interested in finding articles and opinion pieces berating Bush are incapable of doing so themselves. Such information is certainly pleantiful and easy to find. I am well aware that Amos does not post the preponderance of the information contained in that thread but he almost singlehandedly has kept the thread alive by continuting to post the work of others. I don't quarrel with his right to do so, I just think it's kind of silly. I think, by now, everyone is well aware of the fact that GWB beat Kerry fair and square and in four more years those who want to see a Democrat elected might use their time more productively by working within the DNC rather than ride a dead horse. Just my opinion of course. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: GUEST,Frank Date: 11 Feb 05 - 11:09 AM "Kerry WAS an admitted war criminal, from his own testimony to Congress and in press conferences during the election." Kerry admitted to nothing of the kind. He had heard from reports that there were violations of the Geneva Conventions on the part of others. He was relating those reports to Congress. "Mad Dog" Medina and Lt. Kallie were unprosecuted war criminals. Bush's pre-emptive strike on Iraq based on lies makes him eligible for having committed war crimes. Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Perle and the rest of the Neo-con followers are equally as guilty. Bush is complacent because he doesn't really care about the decent American people who work hard for little pay. He cynically jokes about their plight. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: gnu Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:42 AM Heartless and acute. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Ebbie Date: 11 Feb 05 - 12:46 AM On the Tonight Show with Jay Leno last night, he showed the clip of Bush with the woman who is working three jobs. Leno laughed and made fun of the President's gaffe but he clearly was aghast at the president's obliviousness. Leno, by the way, does not make public his own politics. His wife is a well known activist and outspoken critic of the administration and he acknowledges that but makes the point that he has his own opinions. Of course, our resident apologists, I am sure, think the president was artless and cute. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:43 PM I should have said, ..."stupid bigot." :>) Meaning that some people (even when there is overwhelming evidence to refute the bases for their beliefs) WMD's, for example, continue to hang on to a blatant lie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:13 PM I am always open to alternative perspectives, Bruce, from you or anyone else, as long as they make relevant sense and don't call on superstition or reactionary conclusions solely for their rationale, nor a reliance on false data like "Iraq has WMD". A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:10 PM "If, on the other hand, you refuse to listen to anyone who may have an opinion that differs from your own, (even in the face of evidence that refutes your opinion) and you remain stubbornly attached to inaccurate or unproven statements, you are a biggot. ...especially if your reply to the person that presents evidence that contradicts your beliefs, is name calling or put-downs, then you are a stupid bigot. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: dianavan Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:06 PM BB, you said, "My statement was that Amos has made comments about a group of people based on his opinions about a single one of them. This is bigotry." I think what you are referring to is called stereotyping. We're all guilty of that to some degree. Its something we must always be aware of in our everyday interractions, not just our discussions on Mudcat. If, on the other hand, you refuse to listen to anyone who may have an opinion that differs from your own, (even in the face of evidence that refutes your opinion) and you remain stubbornly attached to inaccurate or unproven statements, you are a biggot. ...especially if your reply to the person that presents evidence that contradicts your beliefs, is name calling or put-downs, then you are a stupid bigot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: gnu Date: 10 Feb 05 - 03:52 PM Isn't this about peace crimes against Americans ? Late fifties. Divorced mother of three. One mentally challenged. Three jobs. No pension. That is a crime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Date: 10 Feb 05 - 03:13 PM Amos, the "war criminal" thingie is in reference to Kerry having admitted that some of the orders he was given and that he helped to carry out were in violation of the Geneva Convention. Of course, under those criteria, a sizable percentage of Americans who fight in wars, and certainly pretty much all of the US military personnel who give orders also fit that description. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth Date: 10 Feb 05 - 02:13 PM A Modest Proposal: Since Bush seems to want to convert the United States into a feudal state—give absolute power to the Lord of the Manor (now known as a CEO) and wage-slavery to the serfs (now known as employees), and furthermore, ensure the dependency of the serfs by eliminating all social safety net programs—I suggest that we go all the way. During feudal times, the king was expected to lead his troops into battle. So be it! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Date: 10 Feb 05 - 01:50 PM Kerry's war crimes, IIRC were all about seeking to end the Vietnam war. If such be crime, let it make criminals of all, and let those who glorify such war and market it send themselves into it and leave the rest of us to seek a better path. Let Bush go out in the first tank. I think it is disgusting to call someone a war criminal for seeking to end the war. If, instead, you are talking about the insanity of the crimes against civilians in Vietnam, perhaps you would like to compare those committed by Mister Bush? I think he has brought about the slaughter, torture and insanity of tens of thousands, by his own inability to imagine any other way to acheive his ends. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Don Firth Date: 10 Feb 05 - 01:21 PM big•ot n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. [French, from Old French.] Word History: Bigots may have more in common with God than one might think. Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase bi got, his borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression by God. Although this story is almost surely apocryphal, it is true that bigot was used by the French as a term of abuse for the Normans, but not in a religious sense. Later, however, the word, or very possibly a homonym, was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a Roman Catholic lay sisterhood. From the 15th century on Old French bigot meant "an excessively devoted or hypocritical person." Bigot is first recorded in English in 1598 with the sense "a superstitious hypocrite." bigot (noun) - a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own chauvinist - a person with a prejudiced belief in the superiority of his or her own kind antifeminist - someone who does not believe in the social or economic or political equality of men and women homophobe - a person who hates or fears homosexual people drumbeater, partisan, zealot - a fervent and even militant proponent of something racialist, racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others sectarian, sectarist, sectary - a member of a sect; "most sectarians are intolerant of the views of any other sect" segregationist, segregator - someone who believes the races should be kept apart Name-calling doesn't require any thought, just a knee-jerk reaction. How about putting a lid on the name-calling and making an actual attempt at rational discourse? Or is that expecting too much? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: CarolC Date: 10 Feb 05 - 12:33 PM Yes, if we are going to use the word "bigot" in the sense you are talking about, beardedbruce, I think we need to extend it to include DougR and his attitude toward Amos' thread as well as his attitude toward people who are critical of the Bush administration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Date: 10 Feb 05 - 10:24 AM Greg said rutabaga!!! Greg said rutabaga!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Nerd Date: 10 Feb 05 - 10:06 AM Okay, here's the issue, bb. The "bigot" thing is just a judgment call. You obviously think a different degree of irrational devotion to a set of ideas constitutes bigotry than I do. But here's the thing. By MY standards, neither you nor Amos is a bigot. By your own standards, you AND Amos are BOTH bigots. To wit: your use of "Democrap." So which one is it, bb? Are you willing to admit that you are a bigot too? Or is Amos a bigot and you just a bigass hypocrite? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Greg F. Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:43 AM It's insulting, petty, small-minded, puerile, and a lot of other things to use the term "bushite." OK, then lets drop "BuShite" and just call them mindless, unthinking, self-satisfied, uncritical Bush sycophants, toadies and toches-lekkers. Problem solved. We're talking about people that still believe, e.g., that still Iraq had WMD's and nuclear capability, for christ's sake, and who defend all the rest of Dubya & Company's lies, fantasies and fabrications regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They demonstrably have the mental acuity of a rutabaga. What would YOU call them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: Amos Date: 10 Feb 05 - 05:49 AM Jeeze, bb, take a chill pill. I think a lot of people were blinded by Bush's rhetoric. And many of them grew very aggressively assertive about it, if you recall -- to the point of passing great wads of slander and invective. I think you are being a bit inaccurate to imply that my irritation with such people was peculiar or unusual. Doug's implication that the "Popular Views of the Bush Administration" was "a private thread", as though the attitudes in it from all over the country were somehow my fevered and delusory imagination, was gratuitous and insulting, not innocent. It was a kind of underhanded rhetoric I have seen before. This has been explained to Doug before, and he persists in this particular little piece of weaselry. Your argument that "I have predominated on the thread" is not a defense for it. It is not a private thread, it is a public compilation of publically published views about Bush's administration. Using the term makes it look idiosyncratic and vaguely aberrated, as did the various insulting remarks about mental health which Dougie and other Bushites resorted to in the middle of it. Remember that part? I am sure that you have better things to do with your time. If I called you a bushite in error, I apologize. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush's complacency From: beardedbruce Date: 10 Feb 05 - 03:33 AM I do not just mention this thread- I look at all of his post, which show a long-standing pattern. IMO, Amos jumped on DougR for an innocent statement. |
