BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 10:25 AM

Well - as far as I can see from the above,

High heels put out a statement & certainly weed-out the guys who have an opinion on function (cf form). I personally would balk at impractical footwear on a woman. As a potential mate it draws attention to the appearance not the character, which has repercusions in the long-run. Because it is an exaggeration, OTT like garish lipstick etc. Red hat (or shoes) was ever true - except in my case!!!!

As a workmate it does the same. As a dancing partner I wouldn't know - I pass them by. Though I do notice at ceilidhs when they come round to me. Like their hight, age and joire de vivre -it tells me what they can do in a terpsichorean sense, which if you are into twirls and grace notes - you need to know.

("Vertical expression" and all that.........)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 09:57 AM

Whar about ye then? I bet you looked gorgeous in them too Dr Tibia Hoe.
Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 09:21 AM

John Giok Mackenzie! This sounds like jealousy on your part because you couldn't find a comfortable enough pair of stilettos. I have deliberately worn red high heels (wedge not spiky) with my jeans today as a statement against your statement. I got round the whole mobility problem by cycling to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 09:09 AM

I like to wear my white stilettos with a denim skirt... oh... sorry ...wrong thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 08:38 AM

When I was younger (& thinner), my boyfriend & I went to a concert one evening. I wore an outfit involving red, so I wore some red pumps with it; as heels go, they were on the low side, but they were about as "high" a heel as I ever wore. We spent the night at his place, & went to a movie the next day. I had brought a change of clothing, but forgotten to pack my everyday footgear (flat sandals), so I wore the (bright) red pumps with my jeans & sweater. To my amazement, the boyfriend (very PC, not to mention feminist) was intensely embarrassed by this sartorial statement, and wanted to get back to the car as soon as possible – he was afraid someone he knew might see him with a woman wearing jeans and bright red heels – what would they think? (OF course, this was the same (BTW, now ex-) boyfriend who felt that it wasn't appropriate to hold hands in public – sort of in solidarity with gays, who are likely to feel constrained to do so... but that's another thread completely!). I guess he was afraid it would look like he was keeping company with a tart (or even worse – a bimbo!). I thought it was pretty funny.

Anyway, here's my personal take on footgear:

I like my shoes simple, and comfy to wear
Them spike heels and ribbons just don't get me there
Give me old leather sandals that ain't from a mall
The only thing better is no shoes at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 02:21 PM

That style already came around once before, in the late 80s/early 90s. Like most fashion, it looks good on some people, and not so good on others. The key to being stylish is to wear what looks good on you, because it looks good on you, and not because it's a fad.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 10:41 AM

High heels are OK but they dig into your back!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST,Brucie
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 10:25 AM

OK. I'll try it.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 05:09 AM

Wearing high heels with denims sends a message that says "I can take something as ordinary and mundane as denims and make them ultra-sexy. And If I can do that for a pair of blue jeans, just imagine what I could do for you. That's right, just imagine it. 'Cause that's about as close as you're gonna get to finding out."

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: dianavan
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 03:11 AM

As a university student I was very, very nervous about meeting my sponsor teacher. I imagined her as cookie cutter, master-teacher with a bun and absolutely no style. Imagine my surprise when she turned out to be a 4'8" Italian with flaming red hair, denims with zippers at the ankles and white high high heels. She was very kind and gentle. I think she dressed like that to give herself stature. It also made her look kind of tough which she definitely was not. Who knows why women adopt the styles they do? With her, it was all an illusion. She was a professional through and through and the best teacher I have ever come across.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 01:49 AM

man in high heels

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: hilda fish
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 01:41 AM

Yeah!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 01:34 AM

The real question is why do MEN wear high heels with denims.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Gurney
Date: 14 Mar 05 - 01:33 AM

I suppose, also sometimes because they have just bought them and haven't yet turned them up to make them fit.
NEW jeans look good like that, standing about and sauntering, not walking briskly. Worn jeans just look shabby.

Jeans = denims. The material is known as blue jean in Britain, because that is the name it is known by in the Royal Navy.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 05 - 02:47 PM

I prefer women in ONLY high heels.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Mar 05 - 12:00 PM

To simplify:

1--Girl with legs shorter than an aardvark's looks like Susan Anton.

2--Girl with ass flatter than a 2 day old cow flop, now has bootie that goes POW//!!!

3--Pfizer makes big money from dirty old men.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 04:44 PM

Yeah, Art, that's a problem I had even when I was 80 pounds younger. I have fairly average size feet (7-1/2 to now 8-1/2 as gravity's been working), but even skinnier, I had slim ankles but full-figured calves -- and boots, it seems, are made for flat figured model types.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 02:29 PM

BG, I have the same problem with an old pair of Frye engineer boots.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 02:22 PM

My problem is that the calves of my legs don't fit into my cowboy boots anymore (Acmes with 1-1/2 inch walking heel, circa 1962 -- black with white and gold starburst fore and aft.)

Underslung riding heels were about 2 inches, underslung walking heels 1-1/2 inches, most dogger heels were 1-1/2 inches.

Sometime in the mid-'70s I took the boots in to Eli the Cobbler to be re-soled. He ran his hands lovingly down the boots and crooned, "Oh, old Acmes . . ."

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 01:29 PM

GUEST 11:32 am: Levis

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 01:10 PM

How high? I don't think I have seen 5-6 inch cowboy boots!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: JudyB
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 12:53 PM

Cowboys have been wearing heels that were pretty high for a guy with their jeans for years....

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 12:20 PM

yes...well....I suppose they need to emphasize the obvious in order to stand out among all the OTHERS standing out....


(I wonder what I meant by that..*grin*)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 12:12 PM

here they are bill!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 12:08 PM

some group called "Girls Aloud"

as to the original question, I guess it just depends

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: open mike
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 12:05 PM

who wrote that, bill d/?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: open mike
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 11:58 AM

i would have no idea why--in fact i didn't even know they did wear those
2 in combination...the foot binding mentioned earlier comes to mind.
I prefer hiking boots, clogs, or Uggs. I often wear fire boots when
working....dainty they are not!! I remember hearing that office workers
(women) had a style of dress suits and tennis shoes...this makes more
sense/. but i guess the style in question is not base on sense, at
leats not sensibility...maybe some sense...one of the 6 senses?

i agree that going shoe-less is even better..when possible..

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 11:58 AM

no comment:


Spike heels and skin tight jeans
I've got a fistful of love that's coming your way baby
Spike heels and skin tight jeans
I've got a fistful of love that's coming your way baby
Spike heels and skin tight jeans
I've got a fistful of love that's coming your way baby

I'm hanging on a wire
Spike heels and skin tight jeans
I've got a fistful of love that's coming your way baby
Come baby, come you know what I mean
And the drum beats rising higher
Bang goes my self control
I've got your name on my face
Your face on my mind baby
Come baby, come
Graffiti my soul

We should be getting it on
Fly DJs playing my song
Why don't you take me head on?
We should be getting somewhere
Some kind of cool an affair
Don't act as if you don't care
You dream of touching me

Your kisses taste of cyanide
And that's no good for me
An open hearted suicide
Ain't my philosophy
A walking talking mannequin
And never questions anything
I've got to say

No more explanations
You're never gonna know
You killed my reputation
I've come to help you know
No more conversation
On top of the world
Dangerous occupation
Talking to a girl

I'm complicated
And I celebrate it
Not entertaining
But you're fascinated
I'm complicated
And I celebrate it
Don't entertain it
But you're fascinated
(And nothing more)

Dance if you want till the dirty is done
Cos we're stars at the dead of the night but
If you're looking for romance, there's a chance
Reflecting the sun then I'm gonna put up a fight
Dance if you want til you fall out of space and
Crash in the back of the car
But if you wanna have my keys and my cash
Don't push my love too far

I'm hanging on a wire
Spike heels and skin tight jeans
I've got a fistful of love that's coming your way baby
Come baby, come you know what I mean
And the drum beats rising higher
Bang goes my self control
I've got your name on my face
Your face on my mind baby
Come baby, come
Graffiti my soul

Come baby, come
Graffiti my soul
Baby come baby, come
Graffiti my soul
And the drum beats rising higher
Bang goes my self control
I've got your name on my face
Your face on my mind baby
Come baby, come
Graffiti my soul

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST,jeewillickers
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 11:37 AM

i believe the heel enhances the slope of the calf

the tug of the denim allows one to use one's imagination

i, for one, am all for it

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 11:32 AM

Art- Please tell me where I can find Levi's for under $20. Even at the Levi Strauss outlet store up the road they are $32.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Alice
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 11:13 AM

As Rapaire explained, high heels are SOLD to women because it makes them more attractive to most men... the posture on tiptoes, tightening calf muscles, shifting parts of the body into a different position. Women wouldn't do any of the painful beauty things they do if not for attracting men. Why were girls' feet bound in China so they could not even walk? To make tiny feet that were attractive to men in that culture.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 11:01 AM

Boob wise I am a complete non starter and envy all of those lovely bosomy women!

And I'm tired of wearing a bra that looks like a swimming cap for Siamese twins . . . but, at least my boobs go with the rest of my goddess-shaped body (Venus of Bat-tendorf).

I wear makeup that looks like I don't wear make-up, shave parts of my legs only when they'll show, and don't give a damn about my "plus sized" body except that taking off a few pounds might be nice for my poor aching knees. Shade in the summer and warmth in the winter!

I gave up the high heels when I was 80 pounds younger because I realized what they were doing to my back, knees and feet. Just as bad for overall health as Chinese foot binding or Victorian corsetry.

I never did want to attract men who were attracted to the artiface that "society" tries to force on women.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 10:50 AM

I gave up wearing high heels well over 30 years ago. And I still wonder why I ever did so in my youth (early working days with an insurance company) -- especially when I look at my still deformed toes from the deadly combination of high heels and pointed toes. Actually I don't go in much for "city girl" shoes, being much more inclined to shoes and boots with a real sole on them that can grip the ground no matter what the weather. I don't give paper-thin impractical footgear house room.

As for wearing them with denim jeans, well, I rather like the incongruity and contrast of it all. I choose to show it by wearing rhinestones and dead animals around my neck while wearing jeans -- and boots or honest country shoes on my feet.

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Layah
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 10:30 AM

Does "well groomed" just mean neat and clean, or does it mean wearing makeup, all your hair staying where you put it, dressing nicely (which will certainly imply high heels), etc.? People have different ideas of what are the base for being presentable. Some women won't be seen without there makeup. I don't find it necessary to shave my legs, the amount prettier I feel is not balanced against the amount more effort it is. A lot of people consider that a prerequisite for being presentable, it's just something they do, and it wouldn't occur to them not to.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST,shoe queenie
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 10:19 AM

layah you are right up to a point. I think a well groomed woman will get the office job over the pulled through a hedge backwards one. But it wouldn't be a pretty thing, just a 'tidy desk is a tidy mind thing?'. But there are lots of other environments where standards are different due to the nature of the job.

Heels and jeans? Yes, it is a style/age thing, and one I like for being 'dressy'. But then I think I have the figure for that, that isn't being conceited, I just happen to have it, no effort on my part!

Boob wise I am a complete non starter and envy all of those lovely bosomy women!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Layah
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 10:08 AM

Is this a discussion of why wear high heals with jeans or why wear them at all? It is a style to wear them with jeans. Why wear them at all is a more difficult question. Feeling pretty is important to people, and I balance what is annoying or harmful with how pretty it makes me feel (or if it makes me feel prettier at all) so that I do just as much as I feel like doing. Which for me is not much at all, I don't wear high heels, I don't wear makeup, I do spend time playing with my hair both because I like what I come out with and I like playing with my hair. I very rarely wear clothing that constricts my activities, like high heels or tight skirts or mini skirts. I also don't wear clothing that doesn't make me feel pretty. The amount prettier I feel has to outweight the negatives of it. I guess some people (most people) just draw their line somewhere else.

I think when you start talking about working things might be different. I don't really have any personal experience, but I bet for women working in office type situations they have to conform to some standard in order to get a job, remain employed, and advance. It might just be subconscious, but I'm betting a prettier woman does better than one who spends less effort on her appearance.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 10:01 AM

The high heel part of the question seems to have been adequately answered...and herself doesn't and never has.

Now for the denim issue...there are denims and again, there are denims. The under $20(US) variety, such as basic Levis, are clearly intended for wear with hiking boots. On the other hand, if a lady cares to spend over $100 for a pair of jeans that look like they have been spray-painted on, and she thinks that 5-inch heels properly set off the ensemble...and she has what is subtlely called "the figure for it," than I, like many of my gender collegues, will gladly sit back and enjoy the wonders of Mother Nature.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: GUEST,shoe queenie
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 09:57 AM

I love 'em all, the low, the short and the tall. Low heels for comfiness/practicalty. And high 'uns for dressing up, they make ME feel sexy. Also stockings and suspenders look gross in loafers.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 09:39 AM

Biologically, high heels make anyone's legs look "sexier" because the angle changes the shape of the calf. It also throws the pelvis forward and forces the wearer to compensate (or fall over) by sticking the backside further back. Believe it or not, these are supposed to be subtle signs that the wear is aminiable to mating.

My wife regularily wore high heels during high school and college. Her Achilles' tendon shortened and it was very painful to correct it. They are also difficult to run or fight in, according to my neices (who rarely wear them) -- they prefer sneakers or "hiking boots."

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 09:19 AM

not quite in the same league but conceptually the same as

SMOKING

not that I would decry sartorial self-expression. Heavan forfend. But colour is a cloak, a mask. High heels are a gamble, and a gambol if you have an inadequate male sense of ballance. It is a well known phenomenon that the longer the legs (real or artificially artworked) in ads sell more product. But we are folkies, and tend towards the natural, practical, safe, and comfortable end of the spectrum.

FWIW I see high heels as an artifice, and treat them as such. Denim jeans were a work-a-day item but since becoming a fashion I guess they would be associated with each other.

Mini-skirts were an exciting fashion but just as impracticale as the long skirts that replaced them.

I wonder if the fashion for high heels will survive a well understood statistic in the shoe trade. The average size of womens feet in western society is increasing and nearer to mens averages. Reason it how you will, the shoe trade HAVE to respond.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: rumanci
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:58 AM

well Lynne ! ......to reiterate the above

because they can and they want to   ?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:56 AM

No Liz neither chuch nor fire but Liberty, that's the one with the crack after all!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: MBSLynne
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:47 AM

I NEVER wear high heels and jeans, but in fact these days I rarely wear high heels at all. In fact, when possible, I don't wear shoes at all!

I hardly ever wear makeup either. Nor do I spend hours in hairdressers having my hair 'done'. I do, however, spend time swimming and walking to keep my figure good and I buy clothes that I think enhances that. And I put henna on my hair to cover the grey. That's what it all boils down to isn't it....you do what you can to make yourself feel as though you look good, and if you feel that way, then you probably DO look good. It makes you walk with more confidence, sparkle more.....and if you feel good, you smile more and a smile is the best thing to make a face look attractive...it's all a knock on effect.

If you are going to ask 'why' about what women wear, how about, why do women with enormous backsides and rolls of fat round their middles wear tight trousers or worse, white leggings, and midriff tops?

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:29 AM

You saying I've got a bell shaped arse Giok? Church or Fire?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: jacqui.c
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:26 AM

I'll go with that Azizi. All I would say is that, for some women, high heels can do a lot of damage over the long term.

I wore high heels from about the age 13 until I was in my mid forties, when I got a severe lecture from my chiropractor to the effect that I was paying him to put my back right and then undoing all that work by walking out of his office in stilettos. By that time I had compromised my back and ended up with a slipped disc ten years ago - not funny. Again, the chiropractor and my orthopaedic consultant both suggested that the major reason for this was high heels.

A year ago I underwent an extremley painful operation to remove a bunion. The surgeon, again, put high heels as the major cause of the problem.

I'm not saying that this will happen to all heel wearers, but how do you know if you're susceptible or not until it's too late? I will never wear high heels again and I would certainly advise against them if asked. But I suppose there's too much money tied up in the fashion industry for these shoes ever to disappear for good.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 08:13 AM

high heels are very handy when standing on crowded buses. when that man next to you is pressing in rather too close, and its not his fault is it, its the crowd, well a sharp stileeto into his foot quickly solves the problem, and its not your fault is it, its the crowd..

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: Azizi
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 07:43 AM

Being from Atlantic City, New Jersey-home of the annual Miss America pagent, I would remind folks that for years those contestant wore high heels with bathing suits

As I haven't watched that show in quite a while, I haven't a clue if there is still a bathing suit portion of the competition and if the women are still REQUIRED to wear bathing suits with heels.

Odds are that the producers of that show are men..so who really determines which styles are fashionable or not-men or women?

I think that wearing high heels-period-feeds into men's fantasies about long legged women. Supposedly [or as a metter of fact?] wearing heels make women's legs look longer, or at the very least, emphasize women's legs.

And as to your specific point about wearing high heels with 'denims [and I presume your are refering to what we UnitedStaters call 'jeans']..I agree that it's not healthy..but when is fashion about health??

This style will be replaced by another one when the fashion gurus promote another style.

And I'll beat someone else to the point by saying that not all women follow the dictates of the fashion gurus..I for one have no problem at all with wearing a reasonable size pair of high heels with pants, but wouldn't think of wearing high heels with jeans.. Maybe it's an age thing.

I'm too old to change my feeling that high heels don't go with jeans.
But like Cats, I support any women's right to do so if she wants to- to follow the latest fashion; because she likes herself in that style, and/or to please her man or to conform to what she has been socialized to believe that men want to see..

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 07:35 AM

That's fine Hilda, but with so many women [not you obviously] the assonence of the words elephant and elegant spring to mind. As was said about a different style of nether garment, "Girls who have bell bottoms, shouldn't wear them"
Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: hilda fish
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 07:27 AM

Ah heels and denim... now there's a look I wear often. Tacky? yep. Possibly tasteless? Oh absolutely. No class? No argument there. Bad for your health? Yep - but I live in the 21st century and how bad is that? But back to denim and heels. Love 'em and wear them to death. I love the strut of the high heel, the height it gives me, the slink of my hips. I'm letting some gal secrets out here. I don't care what anyone else thinks of them. I think I look fabulous; therefore, I am fabulous! So think what you bloody like about us gals with our high heels and denims. We just don't care. We're gonna swivel right by you being fabulous and we don't even know you're there!
{:o>

Subject: RE: BS: Why do women wear high heels with denims
From: burntstump
Date: 12 Mar 05 - 07:23 AM

if you need to ask this question, your obviously looking at the wrong bit.