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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:27 AM We had quite a thread on Faith of Our Fathers quite a while back. Some of the more militant iterations sound darned impolite, but the modern text has been toned down. It's not one of my favorites, but I don't mind singing it. How's that for a half-hearted endorsement, Mary?
Shall win our country back to Thee; And through the truth that comes from God, England shall then indeed be free. Now, if you were an Anglican, what would YOU think of that verse? Not really a good verse for interfaith diplomacy, I'd say. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Haruo Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:36 AM Well, if one takes "Faith of our fathers" as Faber meant it, i.e. as Roman Catholicism, you're right, Joe, but if one takes it as meaning simply Christianity, then only the most ardently antimarian would be offended. Of course, it might surprise Faber that Mary's prayers should bring anyone around to a non-Roman faith, but I suspect the "historical Mary"* would find such a notion no more confusing and amazing than, say, the history of the Rosary or Lourdes or Fatima; or the doctrine of the Virgin Birth, let alone Assumption or Immaculate Conception. Probably less so. Haruo *mother of the "historical Jesus" |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 24 Apr 05 - 12:06 PM I don't know if they still sing it this way in Ireland: Faith of our fathers, Mary's prayers Shall keep our country true to Thee; And through the truth that comes from God, Ireland shall then indeed be free. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Pogo Date: 24 Apr 05 - 08:27 PM Yeah...I find the prospect of the Savior appearing in SLC downright terrifying too ^_^ very interesting song by-the-by and a very interesting thread about Catholicism in general. About the St. Anthony thing on a completely random sidenote I remember hearing about some sort of little verse that went " St. Anthony, St. Anthony please come around Something is lost and cannot be found " |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Kaleea Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:47 AM Thanks! I rather enjoyed watching the "inauguration" on TV. They showed us close up shots we'd never be able to see, but the broadcaster had to talk all the time & I was really wanting to hear the Latin singing & experience the whole service, so I went to the Vatican online & got it live! I realize that some folks want to know what's going on, but analyzing talking all the time was just too much for me! They had a lady with a marvelous soft & Musical voice translate the new Pope's homily for us. It was a beautiful service! Oh, yeah--& I'm not "a" Catholic, either. I'm a Musician who has enjoyed being a church Musician for a variety of flavors of churches. However, in the true meaning of the term, I am of a somewhat "Catholic" (or universal) heart & mind. But then, wasn't that sorta what the new "Poppa" was saying? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Dave'sWife Date: 25 Apr 05 - 10:57 PM RE: St. Anthony... I used to have a few Pet Medals that had St. Francis on one side and St. Anthony on the other. You put them on your Pet's collar to cover all bases. I thought they were common enough but when I put one up on Ebay, it went for about $35 American. So, is St. Christopher back on the roll call now or what? I sold a medal of his from the 1930's for a small fortune on Ebay. It had illustrations of a car & aeroplane that were appropriate for the Era and it was purchased by a retired Priest. That burying of St. Joseph statues to help sell a house was, when I was small, considered a largely Italian tradition. As I have gotten older, I have heard of it being done by many people, but none of my Irish family members believe in the ritual. They also are not big into St. Anthony. The Infant of Prague yes, St. Anthony.. no. I have no idea why. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:29 PM Hi, Wife of Dave - St. Christopher is no longer an official saint in the Roman Catholic Church. Still, he's a well-loved legend, and I'm sure his medals are selling just as well as they ever have. I was in an Orthodox church in Lindos on the Isle of Rhodes a couple of years ago, admiring the icons on the walls. There was a line of saints on the wall of the nave, with the last image a donkey with a halo - yup, St. Christopher, who bore the Christ Child like a beast of burden would. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope-Holy Christbearer From: GUEST Date: 23 Jun 05 - 02:17 AM a man from a foreign land was messiahbearer, little we know about him. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: GUEST,Matthew Wright Date: 17 May 06 - 09:14 AM "Full in the Panting Heart of Rome" was not merely written reflecting the state of the Catholic Church in this county but also to reflect the Political situation in Europe as well. With the Italian Revolutions the Holy Father was a "Prisoner in the Vatican" as the Papal states had been confiscated by the newly formed republic. This was a worry for Catholics throughout the world and was only resolved by a concordat with Mussolini. A reflection of this situation can be seen before Urbe et Orbe when the Swiss Guards play the Vatican National Anthem written by Gounod and put to the fantastic O felex Roma is played by the Italian Army and the Swiss guards play the Italian Anthem. Cardinal Wiseman with his Spanish and Irish origins was well aware of the situation of Catholics across Europe and wrote accordingly. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: GUEST Date: 24 Jan 08 - 03:59 PM Does anyone have birth and death years for: 1) Mgsr Hugh T Henry 2) H G Ganss? Thanks LDM |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Haruo Date: 27 Feb 08 - 04:21 AM I recently acquired a copy of the St. Michael Hymnal, a full-fledged hardbound hymnal published by a local Catholic parish, St. Boniface in Lafayette, Indiana, which contains "Long Live the Pope". Sorry I don't have those dates, GUEST. Haruo |
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Subject: RE: An Army of Youth From: GUEST,Dee Olson Date: 09 Apr 09 - 11:58 AM I am looking for the lyrics of an old song we sang in Grade School called An Army of Youth or Army of Youth, can ayone help me with this |
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Subject: ADD: An Army of Youth From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Apr 09 - 12:32 PM Oh, gee... That was the theme song of the Catholic Students' Mission Crusade, with headquarters at Crusade Castle, Cincinnati, Ohio. Here's what I remember:
We're fighting for Christ the Lord da da-da high, Catholic Action our Cry And the Cross our only sword! I was President of our local chapter at De Sales Preparatory Seminary. You'd think I would remember the whole thing. I'll keep looking. -Joe- Oh, I see I had posted a fragment above, when my memory was better. Here's the whole thing: Source: a speech by Fred Moleck, Ph.D. at the Notre Dame Center for Liturgy Now, I knew this as the theme song for the Catholic Students' Mission Crusade (fondly known as C.S.M.C because Catholics have always loved acronyms). However, the Jesuit America Magazine (Dec 12, 2005) says that the author, Father Daniel Lord, SJ, was director of the Sodality of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and wrote the song as an anthem for the Sodality:
Shortly after his ordination, Lord somewhat unwillingly commenced the work that would frame nearly his entire ministry, becoming director of the Jesuit-sponsored Sodality of the Blessed Virgin Mary in 1925. The sodality, which began as a loose network of student-based charitable and devotional groups often headquartered at Jesuit educational institutions, expanded dramatically under Lord?s leadership, claiming over two million members at its high point. Though it was labeled a ?dying organization? before his involvement, Lord quickly set to work on a national plan for expansion, beginning with a revival of the sodality?s magazine. The magazine grew to become a major tool for catechesis and evangelization and had an impact on students of nearly every Catholic school in the nation. Lord?s creativity enveloped every aspect of the movement, including his drafting of the theme song, ?For Christ the King,? which began, ?An army of youth flying the standards of Truth, We?re fighting for Christ the Lord. Heads lifted high, Catholic Action our cry, And the Cross our only sword.? Many Catholics who were in school near mid-century can still recall the tune and its lyrics. Remaining national director of the sodality until 1948, Lord was the chief architect of its growth, the organizational and creative force behind what at one time was the most significant movement of American Catholic youth. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: ClaireBear Date: 09 Apr 09 - 02:10 PM Oh, that is simply dreadful, Joe! I'm Episcopalian now, but back when I was still RC my bete noir was "Sons of God, Hear His Holy Word." Eeeew. Do you still sing that one (at the risk of asking a question to which there is no correct answer)? I always liked "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name," though. I think the reason I never much liked the Catholic church music I grew up with is that although it went along at plodding paces, not much of it was in the minor keys that I prefer for solemn tunes. The only exception I can think of offhand is "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence," which had a great tune but unfortunate words. The French folk hymn from which the tune was borrowed, which I think was called "Jesus Christ déguis en pauvre," had much more interesting lyrics (but I can't find them to post them -- at least not the version I used to know). Claire |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Apr 09 - 08:37 PM Hi, Claire- Thankfully, James Thiem's "Sons of God" (1966) was dead by 1980 - as was its publisher, F.E.L. Publications (Friends of the English Liturgy, which sued a number of Catholic insitutions for copyright infringement and won, but lost its customer base). Early on, this song was recognized as one of the worst of the "folk mass" songs, even worse than singing Christianized versions of "Bridge Over Troubled Water," "Joy to the World" (Jeremiah was a prophet, Moses was a prophet too), and various Neil Diamond songs. When I was in the seminary, we would sing in a nasally voice,
Gather 'round the table of the Lord; Eat His Body, drink His blood, And we'll all be cannibals, Hallelu, hallelu, hallelu, halleluia. I thought the next generation of modern Catholic songs was pretty good - St. Louis Jesuits and Cary Landry and the like. Most used scriptural texts, so the lyrics didn't tend to be as insipid as the first "folk Mass" songs. The current generation is dominated by the "H's" - Marty Haugen, David Haas, and Bob Hurd. All three can write very good stuff, but Haugen and Haas get into singer-songwriter mode occasionally and can get a bit weird. Hurd is the least successful of the three, but I like him very much - he often uses traditional melodies from America and the British Isles. As you can see from this google search (click) Haugen and Haas really raise the ire of the ultraconservatives - this page and this (inactive) page are quite strong in their expression of distaste. If Haugen and Haas stick to scriptural lyrics, they're pretty good. When they lapse into feelgood pop psychology and cloying political correctness, I lose interest. Of the three, Haas can be the worst, because he lapses into singer-songwriter mode at the drop of a holy card. I've always found Hurd's taste to be very good. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: SINSULL Date: 09 Apr 09 - 08:43 PM Holy God we praise thy name Lord of all we bow before thee All on earth thy sceptre claim All in heaven above adore thee Infinite thy great domain Everlasting it is thy name(fame?) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: SINSULL Date: 09 Apr 09 - 09:02 PM Was anyone else a Tarcisian? Red beanies? Red ties? First Friday mass? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Haruo Date: 10 Apr 09 - 01:38 AM I was first exposed to "Sons of God" just as I was leaving Christianity for I wasn't sure what, in high school, when the Children's Choir (most of whom were too young to have taken communion let alone to have contemplated the difference between the Real Presence, Transubstantiation, and Anthropophagy (sounds so much more theological than "cannibalism" ;-)) that my kid sister was in sang it before communion in the Presbyterian church we attended. I found it creepy. Incidentally, it is (in translation of course) in the 2001 Esperanto hymnal Adoru, more or less unattributed, I think (I'll look it up when I get home, I'm at work), so your hopes about the effect of FEL's demise may only be justified in the English-speaking world. I don't think it's any better a "hymn" in Esperanto than in English. But it may have had some subliminal effect on my subsequent return to the fold, if only by preparing my mind to appreciate the scriptural qualities of Stranger in a Strange Land. Fwiw, SINSULL, the Cyberhymnal gives the final couplet of "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name" as Infinite Thy vast domain, Everlasting is Thy reign. Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Haruo Date: 10 Apr 09 - 04:22 AM Okay, here's the Esperanto version of "Sons of God", Aŭdu, fil'. The end notes indicate that it was of unknown origin, and that the editors of Adoru had taken it from two earlier sources, Restu kun ni (i.e. Abide with us, 1991, published by the Czech branch of the International Catholic Union of Esperantists (IKUE)), and Ni vivu kiel eble plej bele (i.e. Let's live as beautifully as possible, 1985, published by something called the "pola animzorgado de esperantistoj", i.e. "Polish soulcaretaking of Esperantists", whatever that is in normal English). Adoru (as you can see) gives five stanzas, and places it in a section of the hymnal entitled "Service and Responsibility" (or perhaps "Stewardship" in this context). The translation is completely devoid of the cannibalistic overtones of the original, and indeed it isn't even clear that the eating and drinking are ritual, i.e. Eucharist; a rough, fairly literal, retranslation of the refrain: Hear, son, God's word now, the Father's love calls you to embrace. Eat, drink in concord, love according to Jesus' word. Hallelu- hallelu- hallelu- hallelujah! Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: GUEST,TheCassockedCatInTheBlackPoofballHat Date: 20 Aug 10 - 01:54 AM Found that little ditty yesterday in an Old Hymnal with other older books and found this on a google search, just goes to show we've always had the Lame and Corny in every age "Long Live the Pope" and "Good Night Sweet Jesus" back then and "Gather us in" and "Gift of Finest Wheat" today. Blessings on the Feast of Saint Bernard Abbot and Doctor of the Church |
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Subject: RE: "Mother Beloved " by Fr. Daniel A. Lord, S.J. From: GUEST,Fr. Jim Creighton, S.J. Date: 13 Nov 10 - 02:12 AM |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Long Live the Pope From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Nov 10 - 03:52 AM I haven't been able to find any hymnals with the sappiest of old-time Catholic hymns. I have the Pius X Hymnal and the St. Gregory Hymnal, but, for the most part, they have reasonably decent music. When I was in the seminary in the early 1960s, we had a maroon paperback hymnal that had some of those hymns, but I can't remember the title of the hymnal. The Milwaukee Archdiocese banned a number of the songs in that hymnal because they were either bad music or bad theology. I wish I knew the names of some of those hymnals. This 1910 St. Mark's Hymnal certainly has some sappy stuff. Oh, and here's another: Holy Face Hymnal by the Sisters of Mercy of Providence, Rhode Island, 1891. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: Lyr Add: Which One's the Pope From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 28 Apr 18 - 03:55 AM If there's a "Pope" song thread I couldn't find it: Which One's the Pope? (To the tune of Istanbul/Not Constantinople) The Meddling Catholics Benedict he was the Pope. Now he's retired and Frankie's the Pope. They both live in Rome and answer to “Pope.” They both dress in white. Something's not quite right. When the mail comes in it's addressed to the Pope. They both raise their hands for the envelope. It seems we're sliding down a slippery slope. There simply cannot be two Popes! Benedict was old, so he said he must step down. Five years later, he's still kickin'. Drinkin' beer & eatin' fried chicken. Tell me again, which one is the Pope? Surely not the Jesuit. He is a dope. He covers up the priests who fancy a grope. He was raised to the chair by evil men. From a little mafia called “St. Gallen.” I'm still confused. Which one is the Pope? You say: “It doesn't really matter.” I say: “Nope!” There was a reason Jesus gave us a Pope. To keep out heresy, not ask it in for tea. When Cardinals come to visit the Pope. The Pope takes them by to visit the Pope. Pope Ben says: “Frankie's my kind of Pope.” It's like a papal kaleidescope. Frankie seems so nice a Latino teddy bear. But when you wipe away that pig's lipstick, he's a ruthless, two-bit heretic! Tell me again, which one is the Pope? When you ask Benny if it's him, He says: “Nope.” But still he clings to a spurious hope That two men can simultaneously exercise the Petrine Ministry. Which one's the Pope? The Meddling Catholics |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Which One's the Pope From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Apr 18 - 04:02 AM Yeah, this deal of having two obviously-fallible popes is driving the sedevacantists crazy. The writers of this song seem to be pretty close to the rigid ideology of the sedevacantists. I think Frankie and Benny enjoy admitting their fallibility and having cardinals declare them heretical... They may not be perfect but I sure appreciate the fact that they acknowledge their imperfections. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Which One's the Pope From: GUEST,paperback Date: 28 Apr 18 - 02:29 PM So when the blue bird of internet happiness started to shit on the church, John Paul's Rottweiler barked like hell if I'm gonna tweet! 140 characters everyday just ain't enough, I'm more like 140000 characters every six months type of guy - so put me in a nice quite corner where I can think and hire a some new guy for these smart phone idiots. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 28 Apr 18 - 08:57 PM Perhaps this is not an appropriate place to link to Martin Pearson's The Pope Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-42z68A44Gg |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Apr 18 - 01:44 AM Great song, Gerry. Wish I understood enough to be able to transcribe it. It's a parody of Gloria Gaynor's 1978 disco hit I Will Survive. "I'm the shepherd, you're supposed to be the sheep..." It's a bit easier to take than Tim Minchin's Pope Song...Although there are times when I think the Minchin song might apply quite appropriately to John Paul II. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope From: goatfell Date: 29 Apr 18 - 09:14 AM A song for the DUP |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Papal Hymn / Long Live the Pope From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 06 May 18 - 06:09 AM OK, I've transcribed Martin Pearson's song. There are a few places where he breaks the song to make jokes, I haven't transcribed those bits. No guarantees that I got everything right. The Pope Song Martin Pearson (To the tune of I Will Survive) Once I was the Pope I was sanctified Kept thinking I could never live without God by my side But I spent oh so many nights just thinking how I'd get along And I grew strong, and I knew Nietzsche had been wrong So now He's back. God is not dead I just woke up to find this big old Jewish voice inside my head I said why had you forsaken us? Was it some kind of test? He said today's the eighth day and I've had a lovely rest So join my church, do as I say With the Catholics you can break a dozen sins in half a day There's masturbation, contraception, which will help the Church with breeding Sloth and lust and greed and anger and of course the big one, speeding Once the Church was strong categorically We made our home in Rome when no one bothered Italy Now I spend my precious time making laws for you to keep Don't forget I'm the shepherd, you're supposed to be the sheep And now you're back, just when you please It's such a casual communion you think wafers grow on trees I should have made you take a vow, I should have made you sign a form With my laws on contraception it was me who got you born So now just go, get off my faith Just turn around now, you're not welcome any place I tried to teach you God's new laws, tried to teach you them with zeal It might have been much quicker to train the Papal seal And now I'm back from being shot I look as lively as I've ever done which doesn't say a lot But I showed those doubting Thomases who thought I could be hurt I'm the world's best male role model in a full-length satin skirt But I'm still back to steal the show I'm not the pooped out little Pontiff that your granny used to know I can kiss the dirt all over 'cause my touring roster's full I can make a saint a fortnight, I can talk the Papal Bull I am a rock, I will survive As long as I can hum a hymn I know I'm still alive I may not be the best Pope but at least I'm not the worst And I know that in comparison to Pope John Paul the First I will survive. |
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