BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals

Subject: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:11 PM

In my now on-going series of credible articles linking liberalism and anti-semitism, here is an article by distinguished columnist George Will continuing that theme.

Please cut & paste:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/georgewill/gw20040225.shtml


or if a good samaritan will make it into a link.


ongoing howling and attempts of discrediting will as usual be expected and duly noted by those that this hits home the most.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:25 PM

hey gibbon can i borrow your face for a while...while my ass is on vacation?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:32 PM

So Gibbon you seem to have a problem creating a blue clicky
Here it is MG extract

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Peace
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:36 PM

Here is the link to Martin's article.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/georgewill/gw20040225.shtml

The link in the post above just shows a self-portrait of the person who posted it.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:37 PM

typical Mudcat cowardly anti-semitism. I won't visit your link, pal. Too bad, huh?

thanks for the opportunity to give you a yank and show you such a good and truthful article. response so far is as predicited.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:42 PM

oh, crap, Martin...of course there IS some new anti-jewish sentiment with Israel involved in conflict and so much in the news. There is even more anti Arab sentiment (anti-Muslim is better, perhaps)....

no need for you OR George Will to overdo finding nuances in every opinion written on the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:04 PM

I think there is a big need, Bill D.

A very big need.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 06:34 PM

You may be right, Martin. Wills' list of events is certainly chosen to highlight that impression. I was not aware of any increase in anti-Semitism; I don't truck with it nor do any of the people I hang with.

I do believe that both the people of Israel and the people called Palestinians need to examine how they have contributed to the endlessly violent collision over there. It has been my experience that two individuals free of external constraints, no matter what their origins, can readily establish common grounds for communication. It is only when they are operating as tokens of some kind of group-force that they have to carry around so much baggage they can't think straight.

If all the rationalizations and justifications were left behind, it seems to me a workable peace process good evolve which would actually end the life-threatening violence on both sides. Can you imagine such a thing occurring? Or does it seem hopelessly unrealistic to you?

A

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: robomatic
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:24 PM

Amos: I think as a general rule that peace occurs between people after they have tried everything else.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:29 PM

Go away, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:53 PM

yawn

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 08:18 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 08:27 PM

Amos, thank you for your insight. I actually do appreciate what you posted.


bobert and dianavan who know so very little about the topic, obviously can't deal with it or it's just too damn credible for their lack of common sense. When you hate America as bad as they both do, I mean really, what other type of response would you expect.

I don't care. You can't change feces from not giving a bad odor.


michaelr, you go away if you don't like it. Or don't read my posts. This is not your web forum to tell someone to go away.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 08:30 PM

Go away, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: mack/misophist
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:13 PM

The only declared anti-semite I know is Jewish. And yes, she appreciates the contradiction.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:45 PM

Sorry michaelr. I'm not going to. Thanks to you and everyone for reading my posts.

mach/michowhatever, so what? Some of the biggest anti-semites deny they are.

Some on Mudcat, especially of the socialist pig variety, do it all of the time.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM

The only people I know that spout the intellectual, liberal, anti-Semitism crap are those who wish to justify their right-wing, neo-con agenda. On this forum, there appears to be only one who wants to believe that there is something wrong with thinking, compassionate human beings.

Thats why you are so boring.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Gilda (on a Frined's Computer)
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:14 PM

Do you know what is scary about MG's comments....
He actually believes them....
Newcomers will particularly enjoy some of your more...shall we say intellectual posts MG when they do a search on your name. Like the Posts naming female body parts and sexual insults to attack people with, oh and the one were you hoped all the Members Children would Die and the few were you just slapped into someone who was disabled..ah yes I am sure your concern for Newcomers getting the right impression about the Mudcat ranks right up there with your 'Forum Spirit of Friendship and Courtesy" and will shine though embracing us to the fold...yeah right.
Well I am a Newcomer and have been looking in for a while now....and if I thought you were the majority voice on this website I would be off like a bullet. Fortunately though your just a very small voice with not a lot to contribute so Ill stick around and drop in when my Job allows.

Dianavan....I agree with your comments. This person is boring. Like a broken record he/she goes on and on and says nothing....

I am prepared for the same old muck to be flung at me but at least I know what to expect now.

Goodnight.

Gilda Myers

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: harpgirl
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:17 PM

martin gibson is really lepus rex

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 12:08 AM

America, on the whole does NOT suck. It is a gran country full of fine, energetic, bright people with courage and vision. That's a bit less than half of them, anyway.

But unfortunately, grand country though she is, she has fallen into the evil hands of people who want to twist and distort her basic nature, make her take on qualities she never had, and force her to do things against her nature, such as unilateral invasions and the slaughter of civilians. These things are not part of the greatness of this country; rather, they are part of her most psychotic nightmares, shared by the minority and run up the flag in place of her actual ideals when the occasion seems to permit it.

In times when that is the case, the rational spirit of America is replaced with fear, destructive rage, underhanded and secretive styles of management, and the mopst debased power-mongering.

That's the kind of time we live in now.


A

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: mg
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 12:38 AM

I think that we should give Palestinians at least the respect of calling them Palestinians. mg

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 12:52 AM

I have never heard anyone say the Karl Marx was a god. Nor have I heard anyone say they are a Marxist on this forum. Besides that, Marxism has evolved just like every other political ideaology. I'm certainly not a Marxist nor do I know any Marxists. Marxism kinda went out of style with Feminism and everyone knows that Stalin was an asshole.

So what is it you are on about?

Get to the point or is it just that you like calling people names and using derogatory language?

and yes... I do read most of what you post but this anti-semitism rant you are on says more about your persecution complex than it does about Mudcatters.

Go tell it to someone who cares.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:19 AM

Martin,[bleep - for antisocial behavior]
Your balls are tight and your lips are bright red!,
You should be eating Captin crunch, but your gut tells you to eat my sister's, cousins, girlfriends, mother's ,cunt, instead.
I am astonished that I am replying to this thread,
But Martin, you motherfucker, I am getting really sick of you coming into a thread ,and turning it into a rotting corpse of illogical, irrational tripe piece of ordinary, cow shit with a side of goat fuck , mixed with conventional pig turd and your saliva that has a consistancy of drooling ,together to form a solvent that is lethal to man and cockroach.
Therefore leaving a small space of the practical to speak up... Shut the fuck up for the moment you ant,
let us say anything that you wouldn't consider ...............Fuck it..............Hey Martin.......Who the fuck are you ?Have you lost your path to sanity along the way? I really want to know..............
Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:27 AM

okay. That's the kind of shit I have really been wanting to say, but I take anything back that seems offensive or sly.(giggle, shake, make laugh, glee, make happy, ha ha)

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:03 AM

I think that everybody needs to study their history and consider a little scriptural history whenever thinking about the Israel/Muslim conflict.

The Jews and Muslims have been fighting with each other ever since the days of Abraham. Why? Because both peoples were started with Abraham. The Jews are actually brothers with the Muslims. They're fighting over the same parcel of land because God promised Abraham that his descendants would be the chosen people. Now since both are his descendants then who has the rightful claim?

I believe that the Jews have a rightful claim to the land. (and as of 1948 so did the rest of the world.) The Arabic people were introduced upon this earth because of sin in Abraham's family. That doesn't mean that they're cursed but it does mean that they were not the ones originally chosen to specifically be God's chosen people. The Bible isn't only a book you can read in church. It is rich in history and can be a good learning tool.

When I read Martin's posts, I read a lot of sensitivity from him about this subject. Maybe that sensitivity is justified seeing the nature of a lot of posters here. Amos has probably been the most even in his analysis and has posted some good thoughts on this subject. The article from George Will has really hit the nail on the head. But I think a lot of you refuse to see that. Maybe because it's you that the article is about. Think about it.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,The ol' perfessor
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:37 AM

I'm certainly not a Marxist nor do I know any Marxists. Marxism kinda went out of style with Feminism and everyone knows that Stalin was an asshole.

I guess you've never set foot on the campus of any North American or European university. The faculties are filled with Marxists and feminists.

I would also suggest that a totalitarian dictator responsible for 20 million deaths is beyond being classified as "an asshole."

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,The ol' perfessor
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:49 AM

The Jews and Muslims have been fighting with each other ever since the days of Abraham. Why? Because both peoples were started with Abraham. The Jews are actually brothers with the Muslims. They're fighting over the same parcel of land because God promised Abraham that his descendants would be the chosen people. Now since both are his descendants then who has the rightful claim?


The Jews and Muslims have not been fighting ever since the days of Abraham. Biblical legend has it that Abraham founded what would become the Jewish religion 2000+ years before the time of Christ. Muhammad founded Islam about 600 years after the time of Christ.

You're probably confusing Muslims with Arabs. Legend has it that Arabs are descended from Ishmael, the illegitimate son of Abraham and Hagar (Sarah's handmaid). According to legend, Jews are descended from Isaac, the son of Abraham and his wife Sarah.

The first Arabs in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories only arrived as conquerers in Muhammad's later years, close to 3,000 years after the Jews.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Pied Piper
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:49 AM

Only a fool or someone with a religiously impaired cognitive immune system would mistake the folktales in the Bible for historical fact.
   How do negotiate a peace in the Middle East if one side says " it's our land because God gave it too us 4,000 years ago"?


   While I'm here Martin, do you consider yourself to be one of Gods chosen people?

PP

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:21 AM

Perfessor,

you are correct....I was meaning to say Arabs and not muslims.


Thank you,


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:06 AM

PP:
you wrote:
Only a fool or someone with a religiously impaired cognitive immune system would mistake the folktales in the Bible for historical fact.
    How do negotiate a peace in the Middle East if one side says " it's our land because God gave it too us 4,000 years ago"?

There are a lot of people in the world who take those concepts a hell of a lot more seriously than you. You don't have to believe the words for yourself in order to respect the opinions of others who are, by the way, perfectly willing to kill over those words or words from other books that they have been brought up to venerate.

Regarding the 'Biblical' history of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. I have heard Christians go on from that to assume that Jews feel 'superior' to Arabs because the Arabs are descended from Abraham's 'handmaid'. I personally have never run into Jews saying that, writing that, or even talking that way. Consider that Jews teach themselves and others that they (we) are descended from slaves. To me the story inherent in the Old Testament is one big lesson in humility.

I've met many Israelis and many Arabs and as far as native appearances and capabilities are concerned, there is a lot of similarity between both these intelligent, tenacious, frustrating peoples.

Even in the Old Testament it is clear that there were people living in the land before the sons of Israel took it for themselves. You can justify either side, the current Israelis, and the current Arab Palestinians, with either the right of conquest or the Will of God. What people like Yitzhak Rabin and Ezer Weizman (who passed away this week) ultimately learned was that you have to arrive at a place from which you can make peace, and as difficult as that is, it is way way better than killing and being killed.

Considering that Europe didn't learn that lesson until the latest couple of generations, and the TWO most horrific wars in all human history, I don't think any of us have much to feel superior about from any angle. We should feel that we have a lot of work to do and pray that we be capable of it, and we should get started.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:16 AM

Seems to me anyone who wants to take the Bible literally has a long way to go.

You could spend lifetimes trying rationalize it!! I guess some folks actually have!!

As I said earlier the critical thing is to leave the rationalizations and the justifications behind and communicate honestly as individuals.

A

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: M.Ted
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:04 AM

As usual, Martin misses a lot--he missed this rather important basic idea from George Will's article--

>But as anti-Semitism migrates across the political spectrum from right to left, it infects the >intelligentsia..."

Anti-Semitism was created and kept alive on the right, and from there it is being exported everywhere else.   Martin likes to mouth right-wing rhetoric,(well, he can't really express very well himself, so he posts links to it)--he still hasn't caught on to the fact that these people are the real enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:28 AM

Beautiful post, robomatic (at 26 Apr 05 - 10:06 AM).

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Pied Piper
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:50 AM

I'd just like to apologies for using the word fool that I thought I'd edited out as being unnecessarily provocative, but the rest I think is pertinent.

"Either I'm to sensitive or else I'm getting soft"

PP

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:15 PM

CarolC???????

Holy Hannah!!

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:29 PM

Pied Piper, of course I consider myself to be one of god's chosen people. It is what the Torah teaches. You should consider the Torah sometimes. It is, after all the law of the Parent religion. Do you consider yourself to be one of an Irish bar's chosen people? I'm sure you do.

Hat's off to some good thinkers here who recognize the importance of this article. I read and understand it, please do not make excuses for your own uncomnfortableness with the subject or underestimate what I know about this subject.

Hubby and robomatic and yes, Amos had good posts on this. Yes, the far right can be anti-semitic, also. However, there is none of that on this forum as there is with the leftist morons.


[bleep - for antisocial behavior]

guest, gilda, you are a phony or just a fenimist joke suffering from penis envy. One of those is true, if not both. More than likely, you're just one of my usual detractors bent out of shape because I am so inside your head.

dianavan, plenty here will admit to being Marxist/socialists. I consider you one amongst some other horrendous things.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: harpgirl
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:37 PM

well, lepus, you sound more like yourself in the above post. time to drop the pose.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 04:44 PM

harpgirl, I am not lepus Rex. Please check with Brucie or perhaps Little Hawk to that affect. They know me as well as any here and I am sure will vouch for that.

sorry to disappoint you. You can go back to putting on your makeup now or better yet, be a sweetie and make coffee for all of us? OK?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:12 PM

Funny, Martin, that you have no idea who I am and yet consider me a Marxist Socialist. What makes you think that? I certainly am not.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: harpgirl
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:23 PM

bullshit!

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:09 PM

To Martin and all the folks involved on this thread,
I want to apologize for my posts last night. Martin, I am sorry for the shit that spewed from my mouth and know, that I realize I was way out of line. Please accept my apology everyone for littering this thread with the offensive posting.
With sincere apologies, Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 10:46 PM

Rustic, I never saw your post before it was bleeped.

I'm sorry you feel such overwhelming guilt, but if it makes you feel better, apology accepted and we can move on.

dianavan, to me you represent everything that is wrong with the radical left-wing. Typically, you can dish it out but cannot take it.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Pied Piper
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:31 AM

dianavan Martin knows your a Marxist Socialist because you disagree with him.
Enough said.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Pied Piper
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:37 AM

Martin considers himself one of Gods chosen people because of his Jewish decent.

That makes him a racist and beneath contempt.

PP

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: harpgirl
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:19 AM

bullshit to lepus/marvin and not to dianavan. come on lepus, you are so intelligent in your real self that you could be accepted challenging those you challenge hiding behind your fake persona. please drop this character. he is ruining our enjoyment of our discourse. it's only one step away from my complaints about your earlier campaign to challenge the old timer's stodgy leftism before you made up marvin. it's antisocial and divisive. you're almost thirty one now and you teach hooligansin high school. you're not one of them anymore

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: mooman
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:33 AM

There is certainly some evidence that anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe (though not in my country I'm pleased to say). Here's a clicky link to a

BBC article on the rise of antisemitism in Europe

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:15 AM

AntiSemitism has been on the rise in Australia in the last three years. bigotry of all sorts is on the rise here. Many Jews in Australia are compassionate, intelligent, and outspoken on human rights issues.

The Jewish community in Australia has a history of working closer with Australian Aboriginal people than many other communities here, funding a number of programs. and Australian aboriginals spoke out against the treatment of jews in Nazi germany in 1938. Both groups understand each other as persecuted people.

Jews in Astralia have called for compassion for refugees who are detained.

The exhaustion people feel about hearing abut the Holocaust etc is the same exhaustion that makes people change the channel when news of refigees in Africa comes on. its called compassion fatigue - people get saturated and have had enough.

Martin, your abusive language often loses its charm. I think I have Martin Fatigue.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:29 AM

Bloodnok: Are you English?

Seagoon: Only by descent.

Bloodnok: By descent?

Seagoon: I came down by parachute!

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:30 AM

"Martin considers himself one of Gods chosen people because of his Jewish decent."

"That makes him a racist and beneath contempt."



Of all the stupid things that I've seen in print on this site this one has got to take the prize. If you would pick up a book and read about the Jews and their history or even turn on the TV and watch the news you would see that there is NO talk of the Jews being a racist people. The Jews just want to peacefully coexist in the region. They're not the ones that are sending homocide bombers to their deaths. They're trying to defend their right to have their own country. If you would actually try to understand the region and understand what is going on then you would realize that some Jews and Arabs do peacefully co-exist in Jerusalem. They do try to work together for the greater good.

The Jews consider themselves the chosen people of God but I have never seen it flaunted as an "in your face sort of way". MG may have an "in your face" attitude but as far as his heritage is concerned, I've never seen him try to elevate himself above others because of the fact that he is Jewish.

Pied Piper, go blow your flute elsewhere and stop making yourself show your true intelligence. It's really not that flattering.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 10:02 AM

Thank you, Hubby. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Pied Piper is a great example of the anti-semitism that keeps rearing itself on Mudcat.

I am truly proud of the heritage of my people.

L'dor v'dor.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Pied Piper
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 11:15 AM

Beneath contempt

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Arnie
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 12:00 PM

I am Jewish - I understand is that we as Jewish people were chosen from other nations to follow in the footsteps of Abraham and obey the commandments of the Torah and its precepts. The classification of Jews as "The Chosen People" and also events surounding the death of Jesus and Christianity has allowed for continued anti-semetism to fester throughout history. I don't know what Liberal or Right wing has to do with all this. Most antisemites and racists I know of are right wingers, but not all by any means. The Republican right wing policies mostly scare me and I have no trust in their lying and mostly hidden agendas.
There is always a risk of renewed and heightened anti-semetism in the world which unfortunately needs to be addressed constantly or we all know what could happen.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 01:53 PM

"But the new anti-semitism is now coming from the left where it really didn't seem to exist before.

That's the point. Israel is now considered an oppressor like never before."

Does anyone else have a serious problem with that kind of reasoning? Israel, as a GOVERNMENT, as ANY government, can have and should have its policies analyized and it is proper to criticise its effects, even its goals. Criticism of a GOVERNMENT does not equate to bias against its people.

In this country (USA), "intellectuals" in the past have frequently been Jews. Look at the Algonquin Round Table, some of the most vibrant and creative minds were in evidence there, and most of them were Jews. (By the way, why do we say "JewISH"? We don't say "MethodistISH" or "CatholicISH". Does "Jewish" imply that the person is KIND OF a Jew?)

Some of the most respected, trusted and statesmanlike minds, politically and in literature, in this country TODAY are Jews.

MOST of the Jews on Mudcat appear to be reasonable people, people I would like to know.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 01:55 PM

Susu's Hubby, according to your own belief system, what is going to happen to the Jews in what is now Israel when the end times come?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:01 PM

oooooh, Carol C. Now you've done it. :)

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:21 PM

CarolC,


Since I believe that the Jews are and were God's chosen people, then they too will go to Heaven along with Christians. I believe that God made a promise to Abraham and I also believe that God made a promise to Christians that if they are faithful and follow him then they would be afforded a place in Heaven.

Now, are you asking sincerely because of your lack of knowledge or are you just trying to play to your liberal buddies and trying to demonize those that don't see things your way?


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:24 PM

What liberal buddies?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:27 PM

And actually, I am asking because I wanted to know if your idea of what is going to happen is in keeping with what my born-again, fundamentalist Christian mother believed was going to happen to them. She believed they would all be killed and/or converted to Christianity. And she considered herself to be on their side.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:43 PM

Your liberal buddies, Carolc. Your anti-semetic liberal buddies, CarolC. Your Israel hating liberal buddies, CarolC.

That's who.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:47 PM

Sorry, Martin. The people you are describing are your buddies. Not mine.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 02:56 PM

weak reply, CarolC

Weak and extremely pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 03:04 PM

But nevertheless with a kernel of truth in it. Not even the most ardent of neo-Nazis could ever be as effective at spreading anti-Semitism as you are, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 03:55 PM

I don't spread anti-semitsm, carolC. I have felt anti-semitism at verious stages of my life. You, on the other hand have no clue as to how it feels in your gut.

the only anti-semitism I spread is my truth about it in your face as I have been doing rather successfully here. Makes you and your friends here hate the Jews even more than you already do. i have not written the articles I have posted, but they were written by people of my faith, not yours.

As I have said before, I am a proud Jew who belongs to a great synagogue. You will never be able to make that statement CarolC, and because you can't, you will never really know what anti-semitism really is, and how it makes one feel who is a Jew. Never.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:17 PM

Martin - You seem to ask and demand empathy - yet you offer none in return. Why is that ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:33 PM

You havn't answered my question - why do you ask for empathy and offer none in return ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Jack The Lad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:36 PM

I wonder if I am the only Mudcatter actually living in Israel.
I feel that I may be one of the few who actually knows what it is like here. I don't post much , because of the blind ignorance and thinly veiled, or even blatant hatred of some who do.
I left my homecountry many years ago and came to live in Israel, partly to escape the incidents of antisemitism as I met as boy there.Isolated incidents, but nonetheless enough to cause me to want to escape them
I am proud of the many achievements of Israel in fields beneficial to humankind- too numerous to mention.
I am proud of the multicultural and multiethnic facets of Israel.
I am proud of the fact that when walking the streets of Tel Aviv I see white, brown, yellow and all shades and hues of people walking, working an living side by side. Israel was the first and one of the only countries to accept a boatload of Vietnamese refugees adrift on the ocean- and give them citizenship. I am proud of Israel's airlifts of poverty stricken , sick and starving communities,to Israel, giving them new lives and hope.I am proud of schools such as the one in which I teach, accepting Muslims, Christians, Arabs and Jews, no questions asked, treating them equally and giving to each whatever he/she needs. Apartheit- pshaw! Utter rot- nonsense.
I am proud of the fact that I can demonstrate- speak out- publish write- sing what I like- about whomsoever I like- or about whatever I dislike.
I deplore what religious fanatics do in the name of God- or in the name of what they believe to be their God given right- yet I will defend their and my own right to live here. Hopefully soon , in peace with our Palestinian neighbours-. I will do whatever it takes to bring that peace about- and hope that our "enemies" too will arrive at that realisation.
Israel will live , peace will come and no amount of antisemitism or anti-Israelism will move me or the hundreds of thousands of others who share my views from working towards those shared goals.
I think it is sad and sick for Mudcat that no subject seems to provoke so many threads at once or so much animosity, so many snide little digs,or open hatred, as anything or anyone who mentions Israel, antisemitism or Jews. I dislike the trolling - on whatever side , which goes on, causing inhabitants of the pond to rise to the bait,swallowing all sorts of nonsense, hook line and sinker.
Jack The Lad

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:40 PM

Are you listening to Jack Martin ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:43 PM

Jack the Lad, I was cheering for you - and full of hope - until your last paragraph, where it seems to me you lost your courage.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:47 PM

Martin, you use the charge of anti-Semitism as a tool of power and punishment on anyone who pisses you off for any reason whatever, and on anyone who disagrees with you on any subject whatever. And, like some of the people in some of the links you have provided, you are using the term anti-Semitism as a tool of power to silence any dissent on a subject that is political in nature.

These are not legitimate uses of that term, and they will cause the spread of anti-Semitism just as much as hate speech will, in their own way.

It's not about equality for you. For you, it's all about supremacy. You are a Jewish supremacist.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:49 PM

Are you listening to Jack Martin ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Jack The Lad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:56 PM

Why do you feel I lost my courage, Ebbie? Because sometimes these discussions make me feel sick to my stomach?
There is a lot of provocation going on here. It does seem to me that some people here just lick their chops when they can get another dig in either at Israel, the Jews or both. Not to mention the foulmouthed utterances of someone else- to defend the above.( whom I reluctantly have to admire for his doggedness and determination)
Jack The Lad

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:01 PM

Martin - You often call the women here "cunts" on a regular basis - in order to insult and degrade. Do you see any difference in that and IF I were to call you a dirty Jewboy in order to insult you ? I don't see any difference. BOTH ARE WRONG. Why do you keep playing the race card ?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:04 PM

Jack the Lad, the person who posts as GUEST,Allen also lives in Israel. Israel is represented here. Unfortunately, we don't also have any Palestinians posting here who live in the West Bank, Gaza, and/or East Jerusalem to tell us about their experiences in those places.

Despite all of Martin Gibson's lies to the contrary, I do support the existance of Israel. The problem I have with many of the arguments of people who are talking about the "new anti-Semitism" is that they don't take into consideration the many people, both Jew and non-Jew, who support the existance of Israel, but who are working to try to end the military occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and the segregated, Jewish only settlements in those places. To try to suggest that those of us who support the existance of the State of Israel but who want to see an end to the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem are anti-Israel and anti-Semitic, as Martin Gibson does, and as do many of the articles he has been posting here in the Mudcat, is not only totally dishonest, it is also hateful.

I support the existance and security of the State of Israel. I also support all of those people, inside of Israel as well as outside of it, both Jew and non-Jew, who support an end to the military occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, and an end to the segregated, Jewish only settlments.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:10 PM

Jack - Most of the insults you see directed at Jewish people are misdirected anger toward Martin. My guess is that you will see very few posts of that sort before he arrived. If you find them please cut and paste so we can see what's gone on before. I've never seen them.

There is a big difference between being at odds with the policies of a country's government and hating the people of that country.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:26 PM

To repeat the question before Martin forgets --

Martin - You often call the women here "cunts" on a regular basis - in order to insult and degrade. Do you see any difference in that and IF I were to call you a dirty Jewboy in order to insult you ? I don't see any difference. BOTH ARE WRONG. Why do you keep playing the race card ?

The last 6 guest posts have been mine. Sleepless Dad

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: jpk
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:28 PM

does mg. really have any jewish blood in him, or is he just whinning for sympathy.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,sensitive at the moment.
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:34 PM

It might also be of interest that this swing of Martin Gibson's onto this issue of Anti-semitism has sprung force since the deleting of many of his posts, on various subjects, that were degrading at best and downright disgusting at worst.
It would appear since He is unable or unwilling to adjust his communication skills that his Mission (doggedness and determination) has been to undermine, bait, insult but never debate ( he states he does not come into this Forum to do so) the three threads he has started on this important issue.
I would suggest that some of the replies to martin gibson's posts, which are angry or retalitory are not based on his faith but on his previous and continuing treatment of people here.
Personality not Principles.
Most of the anger and frustration is aimed at martin gibson the Cyber persona and not at a person with a made up name that claims to be Jewish, how can people be sure of this statement when the behaviour of the person making it is so bizzare and aggresive for no reason at times?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:44 PM

Agreed Sensitive. But I doubt that Martin will address those issues. He's unable to do that. He'll respond with an insult that will have nothing to do with the recent questions.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:46 PM

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, Martin. You are not worth the time or the effort because, as you, yourself have said so many times... you do not exist.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:49 PM

As I said before Martin - "cunt" and "dirty Jewboy" are both wrong. Ignore it if you will. But they are both wrong. It's a shame you are such a misogynist.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:55 PM

You're right. but now you use that as a cop-out, Carolc

I will address the issues to guest,sensitive.

The anti-semitism element of Mudcat is severe whether I use profanity or not. Much profanity was aimed at the ones who were anti-semitic or at best, complete idiots who deserved it.

Your right. some posts do get deleted. Unfairly as I have pointed out to Joe. but the majority do not. so, yes I am controlling my profanity, but not the points that need to be made which, based on the overwhelming response on them, I have done as successful as could be.

And you are again right. I get no charge out of debating here.

I don't owe anyone a debate on my opinion. If you want to respond, fine. I just think that if your opinion is full of crap, I will tell you so, also. Why tell you why? I don't care.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:04 PM

I would love to see some of the antisemitic posts that you talk about. I don't think they exist. If they do exist then it's wrong. My guess is that the posts got nastier after Martin got out of control. He has no one to blame but himself. But racist comments are always wrong.

I still haven't heard why Martin thinks is alright to call a woman a C**t - it's just as bad a word as j****y.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:10 PM

Ok. I'll address this one...

CarolC, anyone so obsesses as you have been to rip Israel does not certainly does not convince me.

I'm not the one starting all of the threads. In fact, I've never started a single thread on this subject. You are the one who is obsessed.

That military is there to protect their borders.

It's not the military at the borders that I am talking about. I suport the presence of the military at the borders. It's the military that is inside of those locations that I have been talking about.

and there are much more non-Jews in Israel and part of their society AND government than for sure the other way around and you know it.

Are you saying that there are more people in Israel who are not Jewish than there are Jews in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem? This may be so. And I think it's great to have Jews living in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. Just not in segregated, Jewish only settlements. I whole-heartedly support any Jews who want to live as Jewish Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem in Palestinian villages along with the other Palestinians.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 06:12 PM

I saw a couple of them, Sleepless Dad. And when I did, I sent Joe a PM and requested that they be deleted. And they were.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:14 PM

There have been anti-Semitic remarks, I agree. But not even one that I know of from an identifiable member. Regardless of Marvin's contentions, LIBERALS, by their very nature are not racist or anti-Semitic. LIBERALS want to do well - and they want EVERYONE else to also do well. If they do not feel that way, they are NOT liberal.

Jack the Lad: "It does seem to me that some people here just lick their chops when they can get another dig in either at Israel, the Jews or both. Not to mention the foulmouthed utterances of someone else- to defend the above.( whom I reluctantly have to admire for his doggedness and determination)"

Doggedness and determination are not necessarily good qualities, Jack the Lad. When the means are destructive, vicious and ignorant to an extreme, surely you would agree that doggedness and determination are qualities no one should cultivate.

I can only believe that you have not read this individual's posts enough to get any idea of what the man stands for.

If you have read his posts and still have a sneaking admiration for him, you got a problem, man.

Which is hard for me to believe. I have read your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:14 AM

I wish more Jews could see what the so-called Jewish, Martin is doing. He is trying to incite anti-semitism by being as uncouth as possible. By starting a thread such as this, he is trying to label all liberal thinkers as anti-semites because their social/political views due not coincide with his non-religious beliefs. He trolls for anti-semitism and then tars everyone with the same brush. This is man who cannot separate religion from politics. He is no better than the Muslims who do the same. Martin Gibson should strap on a suicide bomb and end his charade. He might emerge as a human being with a true identity.

P.S. I'd rather be a cunt than a mutilated prick.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Pied Piper
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:56 AM

So Martin is 100% Jewish (whatever that means), is there a test?

There is no such thing as the Jewish race, the white race the black race or any other race.
There is only one "race" and that's the Human race, and Martin represents an all to common aspect of it.


PP

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: freda underhill
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:33 AM

I agree, Pied Piper, one human race. this article on the genetic lineage of european jews points out that in ancient Israel, the Jewish priesthood was handed from father to son. But at some time from 200 B.C. to A.D. 500, Jewish status came to be defined by maternal descent. Even though the founding mothers of most Jewish communities were not born Jewish, their descendants were.

New genetic data dispels the theory that european and other Jewish communities around the world were formed by families who were fleeing persecution or making invited settlements. A new study now shows that the women in nine Jewish communities from Georgia, the former Soviet republic, to Morocco have vastly different genetic histories from the men. In each community, the women carry very few genetic signatures on their mitochondrial DNA, a genetic element inherited only through the female line. The women's genetic signatures are not related to one another or to those of present-day Middle Eastern populations.

in other words the men married out. if you take the more recent theory that you have have a Jewish mother to be Jewish, then there goes all the Jewish communities outside the Middle East.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 12:50 PM

There are different races, so stop denying it. they all have traits and characteristics that are the root of stereotypes.

However, Jewish is not a race and it is kind of stupid to think so.

Most Jews are of the caucasion race, fot the apparently uninformed here, although that is not at all exclusive.

And the article was posted because it is the opinion of one respected journalist.

Please stop the whining denial. also, making the excuse that anti-semitic rmarks can't be identified, that's a total crock. complete and total bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 01:44 PM

Gibson at the last Mudcat Gathering

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 02:30 PM

Mudcat sensors, Please note that the word Jerk is being used as a descriptive term.

"I don't spread anti-semitsm, carolC. I have felt anti-semitism at verious stages of my life.

the only anti-semitism I spread is my truth about it in your face as I have been doing rather successfully here. Makes you and your friends here hate the Jews even more than you already do. i have not written the articles I have posted, but they were written by people of my faith, not yours."

Marginal Gibbon

What you don't seem to realize is that it is pretty apparant to everyone who reads what you write, including Brucie and Little Hawk, you belong to at least two minorities. You may be a Jew, we have only your word for that. But it is plain to see that you also qualify as a jerk. It should be plain even to you that those who encourage you do so because they enjoy laughing at your buffoonery. That is, laughing at you and not with you. To them you are a clown, nothing more than entertainment. Have some pride, stop embarrassing yourself by invoking their names.

Martin I really doubt that you HAVE felt anti-semitism. I realize that I ask you this since you are both a Jew and and incredibly ignorant, insulting and anti-social jerk. How can you possibly tell the difference between anti semitism and anti-assholism?

By acting like a moronic jerk while "proudly" proclaiming your Jewishness you seem to be trying to associate the two in our minds. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but we have no trouble seeing when you actually represent Jews, which is nearly never, and seeing when you are representing Assholes which is often.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:16 PM

well, guest, I think you are completely wrong.   

Your lectures to me are quite laughable and you do a fine job of representing a handful of morons here. Keep up the good work. I enjoy the laugh.

Please learn the difference between a "sensor" and a "censor"

I take you about as seriously as the Mothra fairies. Try to get me out of your head. OK? You will be happier and maybe not offend so easily. Kick back and grow some skin.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From:
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:17 PM

Among my friends and acquaintances are a substantial number of people of the Jewish faith. None—not one—behaves the way Martin Gibson does.

In fact, no one I know, of any faith (or none at all), national origin, racial identification, or ethnic background behaves the way Martin Gibson does. I have met one or two people over the years who did behave in such a manner, but they were anti-Semitic, or racist, or bigots of one form or another, or just plain ignorant, nasty people.

Marty, if people get on your case, it's not because of your religion or ethnic background; it's because of your uncivilized behavior.

(Now, students, notice, the subject's ignorant, nasty response to what I have just said.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Peace
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:27 PM

"P.S. I'd rather be a cunt than a mutilated prick."

Don't lead with your chin.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:37 PM

Oy Vey 100

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CStrong
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:20 PM

I'm not kidding, guys. He's on a downhill slide that is more than likely pathological. Note the deterioration of his posts: he makes less sense with each one. It;s not erratic, but steadily regressive.

Until and unless he seeks help, I'm suggesting a no-response-at-all policy. We might be contributing to his condition.

This is not a taunt, Martin. Your health concerns me.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:24 PM

I've noticed that poor Martins spelling gets worse and worse. And he rags on other people about their spelling as well. Yes - it's easy to see that he's going downhill quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:26 PM

don't be concerned Cstrong. Just keep saying stupid things that have no effect on me because you identify with the socialist liberal mentality so much and keep taking my threads to the top again.

If you don't, I will continue to. But thanks, anyway. No one is babbling but you and a few others here, mostly guests, who are embarrassed at this point by their liberal, socialist, anti-semetic behavior.

I have a few more articles ready, if you are interested.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From:
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:56 PM

See, students? Just like I predicted.

And we're all students of the human condition, Marty, even those such as you, who do little but sit in the back of the classroom of Life and alternate between shooting spit-wads and sulking.

My life experiences are hardly limited, Marty. Nor have they been limited in recent years merely because I'm in a wheelchair. I am not "holed up most of the time in [my] little living space" as your limited knowledge and imagination would apparently like to think. I probably won't be climbing Mt. Everest (that never was high on my agenda), but there is damned little else that I can't do and not many places that I can't go.

You seem to be one of these small-minded people who assume that anyone with a disability should be locked away in a tower room somewhere and forgotten about. Well, sorry. The world is somewhat more civilized than that—even if you aren't. I would have thought that after the general response to your first attempts to use people's disabilities and illnesses as fodder for your bile, you would have learned by now, but I guess not.

Not true and meaningful, Marty. Just nasty. And it's pretty obvious to everyone here that the one with the self-esteem problem is you. That's why you keep starting threads like this. To hide behind your paranoia about anti-Semitism (you're the one who keeps bringing it up) and have your pathetic little ego stroked.

Let's give it a rest, folks. Leave this sad little specimen to twist in the wind, dangling on a noose formed by his own self-loathing.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:27 PM

Paranod ? Ome ? Slipping...slipping....

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CStrong
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:28 PM

NR

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Whuh?
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:36 PM

"Ome measly article in Sing-Out and then they said, no thank you to any more."

Maybe you should learn the difference between "m" and "n".

You really are pathetic, even your insults are bankrupt of thought. Either you parrot back legitimate criticism of yourself as an insult to your betters or you say asinine things like that quoted above which belittle you and elevate them. Don't you realize that anyone reading that is going to wonder how many articles you have had printed in "Sing Out", but they won't wonder for long. As they read your writing they will know the answer.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 05:54 PM

OK, Guest. Have it your way. n & m are next to each other. I'm so sorry, I hit the wrong key. Please forgive me if you can.

How's this"

One measly article in Sing-Out and then they said, no thank you to any more.

Better now?

Or maybe it was, " One lousy article in sing Out and they said, don't bother sending us any others.

I never claimed I was a big time pro writer like Don Firth professes to be, Guest, Whuh. And please, you could change your name to something with better grammar, like Guest What. "whuh" is what someone uneducated would use.

Thanks for allowing me to respond. I enjoyed it.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: jpk
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 06:15 PM

you know,if aleins ever land here and run into mg.,we will be in deep kimshee,they will meet him and decide that there isn't any intellegent life here on earth.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:02 PM

When are all you people going to get through your thick numbskulls that mg is a made up character and therefore is neither jewish nor anything else he claims to be???? He has said this repeatedly.

You people who interact with him as if he were a real person with these beliefs, are delusional. He is here to be divisive and profane and to behave anti-socially and for no other reason.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:07 PM

"What I am worried about Don is people like you. People who are genuine whiners and sponges in this country. who take and don't give and never did."

You know absolutely nothing about me, or anyone else you lavish your hatred on. You just string a bunch of insulting blather together, drawn from no actual knowledge, just your own slimy imagination, and spray it out there indiscriminately, like a frightened skunk.

And Marty, I only submitted one article to Sing Out! And here's the kicker:   they asked me to write the article. And the articles I'm writing for the other music magazine:   I was asked to do those also.

As a literary critic, Marty, you should stick to the kind of material you know:   pumping out septic tanks.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:14 PM

Don Firth knows more about what it feels like to experience discrimination than most people. He has to deal with it all the time from all kinds of ignorant people. And the Nazis also exterminated people with disabilities just because they had disabilities. People with disabilities have always been discriminated against and persecuted, all throughout history. I'd say that makes him an expert on what it feels like to experience prejudice and discrimination.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:15 PM

harpgirl, you're absolutely right! I've lapsed again and I'm just feeding the troll. My apologies.

Okay, Marty, you're on your own!

Don Firth
(Oh shite, Marty! Not that one about not letting the door hit me in the butt on my way out yet again! If you keep using the same tired old lines, you're gonna wear out all your rubber stamps! But wotthehell! If that's all you've got. . . .)

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Amos
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:19 PM

Marty:

I think if you want to be a spokesperson against intolerance of the kind about which you complain in your protestations about anti-Semtiism, you need perhaps to learn about the fact that you reap what you sow, and what goes around, comes around.

You sow intolerance repeatedly. Your talent for abusing people and finding new and creative ways to inform them that they are no good seems to be an endless source of amusement for you. Even it is though, you should be aware that it makes you look like an intolerant and sadistic person.

I have no idea where you learned this approach, but I promise you it only leads into a vicious entropic circle.

Anti-semitism is based on grotesque distortions and falsifications of truth about some people. Yet while you protest it, you continue to traffic every day in the most spiteful distortions about others. You give no honor to the truth when you create these infamous cavils of yours.

Why do you think this will work?

I don't understand.

It only works if your purpose is to aggravate and worsen matters. Is that the case? What are you really trying to accomplish, or prevent, here?


A

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 07:22 PM

He doesnt give a fuck. He isnt real. He is laughing his foreskin off at you all huffing and puffing over him.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 08:23 PM

It is idiotic to post here. Those that do are much worse than this Gibson character. I would say that you feed his delusions, but the fact that you continue to post indicates that this twisted individual is correct. Pains me to say that.

You get what you deserve.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 09:40 PM

Mick, that's harsh and I don't understand. Why is it necessary for you to deride us for responding to nasty stuff? Might'nt it work better for you to send us PMs? Otherwise, true or not, the message that comes across is that you too cannot resist responding to the nasty stuff.

But I tell you what- I've had about enough of the Mudcat with this character in it.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 10:08 PM

I agree with Mick but ain't got the time to send PM's to everyone who might be tempted into responding to Martin's (who he ain't) BS...

You poke the pig and don't complain when you get bit...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 10:21 PM

While it may be true that anti-semitism is on the rise, it isn't right to stereotype intellectuals as anti-semites. That is a stereotype that is very harmful to our young people. It makes them afraid to appear intelligent for fear of being called an anti-semite and makes them hesitant to speak their mind regarding politics.

Its another way of silencing dissent. I will always fight back when I hear stereotypes being put forward that are simply untrue - even if it means fighting fire with fire. To remain silent empowers the bully. Just look the other way and don't make waves has never been my mode of operation. I'm too old too change now.

Turn the other cheek? I have never been so meek.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 10:31 PM

I agree with dianavan. Plus, has anyone bothered to notice that in the BS section there is no way lately to discuss and explore a topic, however benign and however interesting? It gets hijacked, plain and simple. I realize that my departure from the Mudcat will be no great loss - however, since I am not usually in the forefront of that kind ot action, that tells me that there are others who feel the same.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Twelve String Jumbo
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 10:33 PM

Bobert,

You should know better. You know that you and Mick have just done more to encourage the Pig than a hundred posts argung with him would have done.

For Trolls it is a victory when people on a forum fight with him but his biggest Victory when he gets them to fight with each other.

But if you must to take the conversation public even though it feeds the pig, so be it. He's already fed for thai round anyway.

I don't really see how Mick calling people "idiotic" is much different than Martin calling people stupid.

The pig is going to be a pig, no matter what. He is doing nothing but trolling and abusing other people. I don't see how adding your own insults to his helps.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 10:51 PM

Opps... I didn't mean to insult anyone but draw attention to the fact that *one* individual seems to gather way more attention than he/she deserves...

Yeah, tis person seems to *hog* this joint lately with the same ol' very micu non intellectual, as in in intellegence, sidebars and guess what? Well, I'll tell ya what.... There are folks still willing to argue with an insane person... That, in itself, is insane...

I'd invite ALL of my fellow Catters to turn the radio up and jus' say no to assh*les... They have no purpose here... They sling mud but ain't got one bit of substance to 'um... None!!!

Wanta argue with the Martin's of the world??? Fine... You, not him/her are the folks wastin' yer time... Complete wasre of time...

MY SUGGESTION: Next time you disagree with what one of the "Martins of the World" start a new thread on whatever dumbass stuff stuff he has just said or ignore him/her!!!!

JUS SAY NO!!!!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 11:03 PM

...like I said 12 string, just a psychopath behaving in an extremely anti-social manner. These individuals are notorious for trying to destroy harmony, mutually respectful interaction, and all the other interactions which make it pleasant to be in any group. They had a lousy family and they want to make sure and destroy any other group they might wander into which exhibits qualities of humane, human interaction and attemptst to understand one another.

Psychopaths steal money and time! They are extremely destructive people and very dangerous! The person behind this made up character is a psychopath and should be avoided at all costs.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Footnote
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 11:11 PM

Google:
What is a Psycopath?

Psychopaths are manipulative, charming, glib, deceptive, parasitic, irresponsible, selfish, callous, promiscuous, impulsive, antisocial, and aggressive individuals who have no concern for the welfare of others, experience little remorse or guilt as a result of their injurious and antisocial behavior, do not tolerate delay of gratification, and persevere despite punishment; psychopaths are mostly male and are less than 1% in the general population; approximately 11% of the forensic psychiatric population and 23% of the correctional population are psychopaths.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Philadelphia Doctor
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 11:15 PM

I agree with my colleagues. They would know all there is to know about psychotic states.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 11:18 PM

Now he thinks he is a doctor from Philly... (hahha)

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Philadelphia Cream Cheese.
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 02:11 PM

It makes sense to me.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 03:04 PM

Hey cream cheese! I need you on my bagel!

Howling!

Howling!

Howling!

I posted an article.

howling, howling, howling.

George Will is one damn good writer to get that kind of reaction with the ones he hits home with.

Keep howling, pals! You just make my day!!

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Cheesy Filly
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 03:27 PM

Yes he is a barrell of laughs alright. I rolled on the floor at the bit about you eating your dog's pooh.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 04:21 PM

Let me remind everyone that there are ways to make disagreable posters disappear. You can set your filter so that any one poster that you find nasty,stupid or inane - can be made to vanish. Gone - kaput. I suggest it. Life is too short to spend time with the Martin Gibsons of the world.

Goodbye Martin

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 06:18 PM

Wesley, how does one do that?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 07:14 PM

The only filter I could find works only on thread titles.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 11:38 AM

Oh, bullshit. You will read what I write anyway.

You don't write jackshit about much else anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: EagleWing
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 12:31 PM

Maybe you should learn the difference between "m" and "n".

Nah - no such word as "neasly"!

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,The Chiffons
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 12:45 PM

Ome Fime Day

One fime day
You'll look at ne
Amd you will kmow our love was
Neamt to be
One fime day
You're gomma wamt ne for your girl
The arns I lomg for
Will opem wide
Amd you'll be proud to have ne
By your side
One fime day
You're gomma wamt ne for your girl
Though I kmow you're the
Kimd of boy
Who omly wamts to rum aroumd
I'll keep waitimg amd
Soneday darlimg
You'll cone to ne whem you wamt to settle dowm oh
One fime day
We'll neet omce more
Amd them you'll wamt the love you
Threw away before
One fime day
You're gomma wamt ne for your girl
One fime day
We'll neet omce nore
Amd them you'll wamt the love you
Threw away before
One fime day
You're gomma wamt ne for your girl

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 01:11 PM

So, Chiffons, what do you think about the intellectual left-wing anti-semitism of this topic?

Pretty truthful article, don't you agree?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 03:31 PM

Yes, indeed--considering that I don't believe "Martin" has ever said anything worthwhile here below the line--au contraire, he has crudely antagonized virtually everybody, if not attacking them in the most hateful manner possible--it sounds like filtering him out for good is the best approach.

Somehow, I don't think we'll miss much. We can probably even learn to live without his idolization of the graven images, Martin and Gibson.

After all, as I pointed out in another thread, consider what Benjamin, --one of our many reasonable and personable posters who happen to be Jewish, but don't seek to use their Jewishness as a club to beat anybody over the head who doesn't agree with them--said to "Martin" recently:

"You do the two guitars that you hold in so much reverence no good advertisement, and you do our people no favors by your filthy and vicious tongue."

That says it all.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:56 AM

Enough, already!

The "problem" with "Martin Gibson" is not the fictitious personna or the real assole that's behind it, but with the mindless folks that rise to his bait and post to his threads.

Listen up, people: if you want to be free of this asshole IGNORE HIM AND DON'T RESPOND TO HIS SHIT!!

Simple, really.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:49 AM

But Greg F and Ron Davies, you will anyway because you can't sit still while I freely call you the idiots that I really believe you are.

And Ron Davies, I have said a ton of truthful stuff under the line. The truth hurts you. And Benjamin is just a weak Jew who won't say what's really on his mind. HE is the who speaks for no one. I have posted articles bringing attention of anti-semitism and the left wing faction. He has done nothing. He represents the silent Jews who let themselves get shit on and you single him out because that's the way you like them.

My truth just bothers the crap out of you.

And that is my honest opinion. So please deal with it and go read threads about butterflies in the meadow if you can't take the heat, which you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Footnote
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:11 PM

What is a Psycopath?

Psychopaths are manipulative, charming, glib, deceptive, parasitic, irresponsible, selfish, callous, promiscuous, impulsive, antisocial, and aggressive individuals who have no concern for the welfare of others, experience little remorse or guilt as a result of their injurious and antisocial behavior, do not tolerate delay of gratification, and persevere despite punishment; psychopaths are mostly male and are less than 1% in the general population; approximately 11% of the forensic psychiatric population and 23% of the correctional population are psychopaths.
Yip harprgir...you are so on the money!

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 01 May 05 - 02:16 PM

Martin Gibson does not exist. He is a fictional character (who may possibly have been created by a psychopath).

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 May 05 - 04:27 PM

Or maybe just by someone who thinks you are just an idiot and is just fine. You really don't know.

Gee, name calling is such a two way street here, isn't it? What a ridiculous woman you are. Not many doctors live in trailers, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 01 May 05 - 07:13 PM

Ooohhhh... cut to the quick!

( ...by a cartoon)

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CarolC
Date: 02 May 05 - 01:14 PM

Aahhh! Aaackkk! The cartoon is killing me...

Oh, the pain... oh, the ignominy! How will I ever bear it?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 05 - 05:26 AM

I suspect his abilities as a musician are par with his witlessness as a debater.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Musicologist
Date: 03 May 05 - 12:35 PM

What is the musical analog of

"I know you are but what am I?"?

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 03 May 05 - 09:24 PM

You are what you call.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 May 05 - 11:33 PM

"Martin"--

So, Benjamin is a "weak Jew" because he doesn't agree with you. And the rest of the world is also wrong and unwilling to accept hard truths--proof being, again, not agreeing with you.

Very revealing.

I once had a girlfriend who was convinced the world was wrong and she was right (even to the extent of asserting the local opera company had sent the police to stop her (she was speeding) from getting to an audition where she was sure she'd get a lead role.

She turned out to be severely manic-depressive.

Now we see a similar persecution complex here--"the rules are unfair, somebody is impersonating me" etc. You've already discerned my sinister hand in 2 Guest postings (the second one I at least had the honor to share with Bobert.) As I said before, I assure you I'm not in every shadow--and I actually don't believe Bobert is either.

Please go back on your thorazine, or whatever has been prescribed.

You obviously still need it.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 May 05 - 11:40 PM

That's the way, folks. Keep on poking and prodding that turd with a stick and then express surprise and outrage when it stinks.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 May 05 - 11:45 PM

Don't worry about it, Greg. Everything will be all right.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Word Smith.
Date: 04 May 05 - 05:43 PM

Martin,

Don't you mean antiseptic instead of antisemitic?

Certainly you are much more septic than you are semitic.


septic
(sep·tic) (sep¢tik) [L. septicus; Gr. s[emacr]ptikos] produced by or due to decomposition by microorganisms; putrefactive.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,Word Smith.
Date: 04 May 05 - 06:59 PM

I think you've hit the nail right on the head, but your grammar is incorrect. It should be "Word Smith, an idiot and an ass am I". There is no need for you to thank me for the correction. It was my pleasure. Maybe with my help, some day you may be able to write coherant sentences for your self. You obviously have a lot of trouble with your punctuation and capital letters. No wonder you are unable to communicate effectively. Is that due your disability? By the way you shouldn't call yourself a "Mongoloid". We prefer simply to say that you are "special".

Since you have not made any case at all of anyone besides yourself being anti-semetic. Its plain that you are simply parroting gibberish you have heard elsewhere. Are you the product of an affair between Howard Stern and Tammy Faye Bakker?

Yes, you are an idiot and an ass, but there's no need for you to publicize that. It is plain that you cannot help yourself. With patience and love we will help you improve.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Peace
Date: 04 May 05 - 08:13 PM

Coherent.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: GUEST,GHENGIS KHAN
Date: 04 May 05 - 09:23 PM

How did you know it was me?

You're not just an asshole and an idiot.

You are an asshole and an idiot savant!

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 May 05 - 10:02 PM

Courageous "Martin"---

Gee "Martin"--they actually made you work today?   Watch out--could be the start of a trend. Too bad. Couldn't post til after 4? Pobre cito-- (ask a Hispanic friend--do you have any?)--for a translation.

I'm sure you would have no problem living with a severely manic depressive. Birds of a feather.................By the way, what was the reason for your medical discharge from the military?

You still haven't learned the difference between criticizing your unparalleled wisdom and anti-Semitism. Please ask somebody to explain it to you--in short words so you have a chance of understanding it.

It might interest you to know that from my reading, the boycott of 2 Israeli universities by a British academic group appears unjustified (as well as senseless). But I hazard a guess that you won't be interested in the facts so I won't waste my time trying to explain to you.
As they say, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.


Very interesting that you don't deny the "persecution complex" observation. As I said, neither Bobert nor I are in every shadow---you don't have to be afraid.


As has been agonizingly explained by many other posters earlier--do you ever read anything but your own gems?--Jews themselves differ on the wisdom of Israel's current policies, and disagreeing with the current regime on some of those policies has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. As far as I know, even in Israel so far there has been no law passed that everybody has to march in lockstep with "Martin Gibson".

"I ssure (sic) you everything will not be allright (sic) until you admit what is so "revealing" about you"--Wow, "Martin"--you're an oracle--you speak in riddles. Either that or you barely have a passing acquaintance with the language.

I wonder which it is.

Congratulations on staying out of the gutter lately (til very recently). I can tell you're homesick, though.

Oh, yes, and congratulations on spelling "pseudo" right and even "apparently". I was so proud of you.

Now don't forget about the thorazine--or whatever else you take.

Looking forward to more of your well-reasoned discourse and sparkling wit.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CStrong
Date: 04 May 05 - 10:06 PM

Let's all stop responding.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 May 05 - 10:11 PM

Only people who choose to comment do so. As far as I know, nobody is forced to read anything.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: CStrong
Date: 04 May 05 - 10:27 PM

Well, OK. But it gets Martin thinking he might be important.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 05 May 05 - 01:34 AM

Is being Mongolian a problem for you, Martin? Is it all Jews that think there is something obscene about a Mongolian or is it just you who think that calling someone a Mongolian is a put-down?

You, Martin, are a stone-cold racist!

Subject: The Anti-Mongolianism of the Ineffectuals.
From: GUEST,Marginal Gibbon
Date: 05 May 05 - 02:06 PM

He he!

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: robomatic
Date: 05 May 05 - 02:33 PM

I, for one, am really sick and tired of the craven "Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals"

How I miss the good ol' brutality of the "Anti-Semitism of the Working Classes"



From The Goon Show:
"Due to the emergency Her Majesty's government has called out the following classes-
Upper, Middle, and Lower."

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 May 05 - 09:21 PM

"Martin"--

Terribly sorry you couldn't understand my post.

Let's try again.

There....is.....a......huge......difference.....between.....criticizing....."Martin Gibson"......and.......anti-Semitism.

Clear enough?

Sorry about the 4-syllable word "criticizing". Just sound it out slowly. I'm sure you'll get it. I have faith in you.


You also still haven't said how you got a medical discharge from the military.

Don't forget the thorazine--or whatever you need to take.

And go back to work--stop wasting your employer's time.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 05 May 05 - 09:31 PM

I am anti-Martin because he is a racist.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 May 05 - 10:20 PM

I suspect that Marvin is not being racist at the moment, but that he is under the impression that 'Mongolian' equates with what in the past was freqently called 'mongoloid', what more properly is termed a Downs Syndrome person. So this thread doesn't prove Marvin racist, just ignorant and insensitive.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 06 May 05 - 10:41 AM

So what is it Martin? Are you referring to a race or a challenged, minority? Either way, you are obviously a name-calling bully who has no right to whine about your so-called persecution. Most people on this thread would never stoop so low.

Its not a matter of being Anti-Semitic; its a matter of being Anti-Martin, the ignorant. You should re-title this thread to the Anti-ignorance of the Intellectuals.

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: dianavan
Date: 06 May 05 - 09:17 PM

Answer the question, Martin, "Are you referring to a race or a challenged, minority?"

Subject: RE: BS: the Anti-Semitism of the Intellectuals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:02 PM

"Martin"--

Still waiting for proof of any of your assertions. Seems it'll be a long wait.

My statements, on the other hand, are proven by your own words.

We have a wonderful symbiotic------(look it up--we'll give you a vocabulary yet)----relationship, "Martin"-----------you dribble putrid tripe and I tell you you're dribbling putrid tripe--we're both happy! Isn't that great.


You still haven't said what your medical discharge from the military was for.