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Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?

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DAN DOO
GENTLE FAIR JENNY
RISSELTY-ROSSELTY
THE DAUGHTER OF PEGGY. O
THE WIFE WRAPT IN WETHER'S SKIN
WEE COOPER OF FIFE


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GUEST,jo 06 May 05 - 10:24 AM
The Borchester Echo 06 May 05 - 10:30 AM
DMcG 06 May 05 - 10:35 AM
GUEST 06 May 05 - 10:38 AM
GUEST,leeneia 06 May 05 - 11:49 AM
GUEST,Mrr 06 May 05 - 03:11 PM
GUEST,jo 16 May 05 - 03:40 AM
Malcolm Douglas 16 May 05 - 01:35 PM
GUEST,Julie Mainstone 16 Apr 18 - 10:43 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: GUEST,jo
Date: 06 May 05 - 10:24 AM

I hope this isnt already out in the db somewhere but i couldnt see it.... - then again, i don't know the title.
heard this one last week, sung by people who usually do american folk but i don't know much about this one - the refrain is jennifer, jenny, rosemary, and the story is about a wife who doesnt make a husband is dinner. In response he kills a sheep, ties its hide to her back and beats it with a stick, because while beating your wife is wrong it is perfectly alright to tan a hide.
I really liked it and wondered if anyone else knows it...?
cheers
jo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 May 05 - 10:30 AM

There's Child Ballad #1, Riddles Wisely Expounded, aka Juniper (Jennifer) Gentian (Gentle) & Rosemary which exists in many versions in the DT. I imagine this is another parody.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 May 05 - 10:35 AM

It sounds more like 'The Wee Cooper of Fife' to me - its in the DT.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 05 - 10:38 AM

Gentle Fair Jenny or a varient?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:49 AM

She causes him inconvenience, he risks killing or crippling her, and you think that's a good thing to sing about?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 06 May 05 - 03:11 PM

Better to sing about than do!

Reminds me of Jennifer Gentle and Rosemary, which has nothing to do with this song, apparently.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: GUEST,jo
Date: 16 May 05 - 03:40 AM

thanks for those clues - yes, seem to be versions of the same, close enough for me to put together my own, anyhow...
and leeneia...folk music is stuffed full of mindless violence, and yes, i like to sing about it. so do lots of other people...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 May 05 - 01:35 PM

I see that a list of links has now appeared at the top of the page; you will find them helpful.

I'll add a couple more:

Ruggleton's Daughter of Iero (two Somerset examples, with tunes)
The Daughter Of Peggy, O (the second Somerset version quoted above, as edited for The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs, 1959)

Number 277 in Child, English and Scottish Popular Ballads. Whatever we may think of the story, the fact remains that it has been a very widespread and popular song-group, appearing in many forms and under many names. Few 20th century folk-song collectors failed to come across it, sung by women as well as men (it also appears in various nursery-rhyme collections). For three versions recorded from Ozark tradition between 1959 and 1972, see The Max Hunter Folk Song Collection.

The basic story is quite old. Child thought it likely derived from a broadside ballad issued in London in the later 16th century, A merry jeste of a shrewde and curste wyfe lapped in Morrelles skin for her good behauyour.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: jennifer, jenny, rosemary?
From: GUEST,Julie Mainstone
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 10:43 AM

If you're still interested, 13 years after original post, "Gently, Jinny, Fair Rosemary" from Carrie Grover's songbook, "A Heritage of Songs" pp 68-9 is another version of the song you're referring to.


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