BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:40 PM

Sodomy is not illegal in Canada. Read the law before you run off at the mouth. As a matter of fact, read the thread. And, don't try to force your warped views down my throat. Because, I have the laws of a free land on my side. You should thank your God that you live in a land which allows perverted fucks like you to vote. Go ahead, vote Stevie in... and see if he'll help you out if you or your loved ones get sick, say, from 'aids'.

Oh yeah... I may as well say it... not gay. Just happy to live in a free land.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:45 PM

CH.... I am sorry for my terse comment, but, sweet sufferin Lard Jaysus, Gilles speaks of Canuck values in far more meaningful terms than do any of the other assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:54 PM

OK, if marriage only means a union between a man and woman, where did Shakespeare get off mentioning a marriage of two minds without referring to the gender of the brains involved. And the last time I did an elecrical splice, I married the two wires first and as far as I could ascertain, neither of them had any specific gender, except that they seemed to like each other and I'm not sure if a supreme being gave it's blessing. But there sure would have been some uncomfortable ramifications if I hadn't taken out a permit first.

I guess whether you are legally married or not could depend upon whether or not you were spliced, soldered and taped or joined together with a marr connector.

Re: lobbyists, yeah a shame that some are forced to go there, although others might turn a blind eye to that tactic, if it was the Sierra Club, a poverty group or battered women. That some groups take that route in order to get heard is more a reflection upon the current state of government and society, than upon the views the specific lobby groups represent.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 06:13 PM

To limit the state license to being applicable ONLY to "holy matrimony" grants the state the authority to regulate a religious sacrament. In the US governments are prohibited from doing that by the FIRST Amendment to the US Constitution.

The reason that it is the First Amendment is that the original 13 states were unanimously agreed on the need for that limitation. At least six of the original states included in their ratification documents the condition that their ratification of the original Constitution was contingent on the immediate creation and adoption of an amendment prohibiting the establishment of any official religion and/or of any government regulation of religious belief or practice.

No government authority has ever, in the US, had the power to regulate, impose, restrict, or define any religious rite or observance.

Government agencies have no authority to do ANYTHING other than by CIVIL LAW. No government in the United States has EVER had the authority to "license" any practice of religious doctrine except to the extent that such practices may conflict with CIVIL LAW.

Some potential rituals have been found to be harmful and in violation of CIVIL law. Rituals of human sacrifice, polygamy, and incestuous marriages are codified as violations of CIVIL law in most places in the US. There are persuasive(?) reasons why these prohibited practices cause harm to the community, and why they fall within the authority of CIVIL regulation.

Those who demand that the CIVIL law, via the civil marriage license, must "protect" their rituals fail to see that that "protection" comes at the price of ceding to civil authority the power to REGULATE their rituals and sacraments. They assume that "their" rituals will agree with any future restrictions, but fail to see that other rituals and sacraments might prevail.

Those who assume that only their own sacraments must be enforced are called BIGOTS.

Those who advocate the overthrow of long established Constitutional principles are, if not TRAITORS, at the least guilty of SEDITION.

Those whose unnatural conviction that the private sex that they can only imagine someone might have is justification for depriving those people of the same civil rights enjoyed by the rest of the people are properly and appropriately called PERVERTS.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 06:27 PM

Hear, hear, John.

daylia, if I misunderstood you, I apologize. I suppose I reacted more to what you have said in the past about homosexuality than to anything you said in this thread.

The US is also not a democracy- it is a republic with some democratic features and precedents.

My phrasing may have been unfortunate. I actually meant: "Do Canadians vote? If so, can't Canadian voters replace one political party with another?"

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:04 PM

back to comments made earlier in the thread - i tried to say this last night but the cat froze...

legalised homosexual unions are about the public and legal recognition of rights between consenting adults.

incest by its nature is about an adult coercing a child into become a vehicle for the adult's sexual fulfilment. whether its incest (within a family) or happening between unrelated people, adult abuse of a child is always abuse. It happens secretly and with threats.

there is no comparison of this situation with the rights of consenting adults, whatever their sexual preference is.

freda (off to work)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: *daylia*
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:17 PM

But first and foremost, I believe the quality of any democracy should be judged upon how well it protects and treats it's minorities.

Ditto. What bothers me is not the bill itself or the fact that it was passed. It's the manner in which it was passed - ie in direct violation of the fundamental principles of democracy (see Webster's definition above, not Hansard's). This may sound hopelessly idealistic, but I think it's short-sighted and most unwise to sacrifice those principles, for the sake of expedience, under any circumstances. Even if what you want to expediate is the legitimate agenda(s) of any political lobby / "group of citizens".

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: *daylia*
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:26 PM

Thanks Ebbie. That's ok. And yes I suppose we do "replace" one political party with another here in Canada, but in the end it's the same as in the States. The "Big Two" rule the roost, and when all's said and done there's really no difference between them.

Except, I suppose, it's the Big Three now. Hey, maybe the Bloc is to be commended for being so unique, at least!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 08:17 PM

*daylia*, why should an elected government not have the right to pass any law that brings it into line with its own the Charter of Rights?

If your bone of contention is the manner in which the Canadian system operates in a parlimentary vote, there is always the American system or variations there of.

In Canada, if a party member does not wish to follow the dictates or platform of the majority of his/or her elected political party, they may always leave the Party and sit as an independant in Parliament. It may be a bit convoluted but it doesn't sidestep democracy. You still have your vote, represent those who sent you there and you may occupy your seat until such time as you are voted out by your constituents. You don't like something as an MP, put your money where your mouth is.

You don't like lobbyists? Close the golf courses.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: *daylia*
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 08:49 PM

LOL! And good points all, Metchosin. Strangely enough, that "bone of contention" seems to have softened up a bit    ;~) thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:17 PM

See! what did I say Ebbie? We can argue like hell and punctuate it with sometimes colouful language, but there's always room for second sober thought and we can still like each other, I hope. This is still a damned fine country with some damned fine people, despite our differences and the shortcomings of some of our political institutions. I'm not going to worry about who my neighbour might marry.....unless I find out that her name is Carla.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:02 PM

freda -

A minor quibble:

incest by its nature is about an adult coercing a child

In most US jusrisdictions, and I would assume the same in Canada, that's treated under laws on statutory rape or child molestation. Although it does seem more nasty when there's a familial relationship, and in such cases "incest" may be an included offense, it's usually prosecuted largely without regard to the relationship. The state has the civil right and obligation to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

Incest is sexual relations between persons who are related "by blood," and does not depend on the ages of the participants. The "grounds" for it's prohibition are usually held to be that it favors the expression of recessive genes and produces "unhealthy children" who are a burden on society. In the context of this thread, most US states prohibit the civil marriage of first cousins or closer, and a few extend the ban to second cousins or even further.

Some might argue that the history of "close marriages" in European royalty in recent centuries shows that this ban is unneeded. Others might argue that the results of "inbreeding" of royalty proves that the ban is a good thing. That's probably not a subject to be argued here at this time.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Jimmy C
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:04 PM

Clinton,

With all due respect - Sodomy is illegal in Canada. People are charged with it quite often. Check out the dictionary for the definition of sodomy and check out what equality means also.

And as far as a civil union verses a marriage is concerned, the only way for equality to work is for both parties to be equal. That is two males is equal to two males and no matter how much you may want things to be two males will never be equal to one male and and one female. I am not a bigot, I am not homophobic, but I do have an opinion and to have equality under the law the all things must be equal and a homosexual relationship is not and never will be equal to a relationship between an man and a woman, simply because THEY ARE NOT EQUAL>

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:47 PM

Jimmy C., The Government of Canada decriminalized homosexual behavior in this country in 1969. Attorney General of the time, Pierre Trudeau, said at the time, "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."

Now if one has a penchant for performing certain sexual acts in a public place, I'm sure the law regarding gross indecencey would apply, no matter what gender.

You may not consider yourself a bigot, but I think you might be a little short on your knowledge of history re: two males not being equal to one male and one female. That certainly wasn't the case prior to the 1930's. Beforeefore good old Nelly McClung, and the lobbying of a lot of enlightened men and women, females weren't even given the status of a person in this country.

So I will partially agree with you guest JimmyC, at one time, two males were not equal in the the eyes of the law in Canada, especially if they were WASPs, to one male and one female, they had far more status. Thank God times have changed, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:51 PM

Correction, "that certainly was the case prior to 1930"

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:58 PM

Then again JimmyC perhaps you were speaking of equal weight.....and come to think of it, two men usually weigh more than one man and one woman, so no they are not generally equal.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 03:00 AM

Another reason to like and respect Canada and Canadians. They helped save our bacon in two world wars and they have the common sense to extend justice to minority groups. Lets hope we (in Britain) soon follow suit.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 08:52 AM

I read that Spain has today also legalized these unions.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,freda, from the back door
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 10:42 AM

Spanish parliament passes gay marriage bill; Last Updated Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:29:00 EDT ; CBC News

Just two days after Canadian members of Parliament passed same-sex marriage legislation, Spanish lawmakers have voted to allow gays and lesbians to legally marry.

The vote in the 350-seat Congress of Deputies was 187 in favour, 147 against and four abstentions. The Conservative-dominated Senate had rejected the bill. But it is an advisory board and final say rests with the Congress. The law would make Spain only the fourth country in the world to officially recognize same-sex marriage. The Netherlands and Belgium approved same-sex marriages in 2000 and 2003.

"We were not the first, but I am sure we will not be the last," Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero told the chamber. "After us will come many other countries, driven, ladies and gentlemen, by two unstoppable forces: freedom and equality."

Zapatero's Socialist government proposed the legislation shortly after winning the 2004 elections. Spanish gay couples can get married as soon as the law is published in the official government registry, which could come as early as Friday, or within two weeks at the latest, the parliament's press office said.

The legislation has been opposed by Conservative legislators and the Roman Catholic Church. In a rare step, the church endorsed a rally in which hundreds of thousands marched through Madrid in opposition to the bill. Some 20 bishops took part in the June 18 rally.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,Clint-On of Hamm-Ond
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 11:04 AM

"Sodomy is illegal in Canada. People are charged with it quite often."

Well, I move in a crowd that has PLENTY of "Sodomites" and not a single one of us has ever been charged... so...

Wanna source some evidence for your claim? Cause I think it's bullflop....

"freda, from the back door"
Perhaps a poor choice of user-handles given the subject matter!
:-P
Heh

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 11:06 AM

Is sodomy equally disgusting to homophobes when it's practised in a heterosexual relationship? Just curious...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,C-of-H
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 11:43 AM

Who said it's disgusting? The millions of people who buy 'Seymore Butts' DVDs say differently...

Who said anything done between two loving individuals, in the comfort of their own bedroom, sofa, shower-stall or sleeping-bag is even REMOTELY your business, let alone subject matter fit for your 'judgement'???

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 12:07 PM

Sorry, CH, maybe i didn't make myself clear.

I didn't say it was disgusting. It's not something i'm into personally, like, but whatever rocks your boat... and, no, what other people get up to in bed (or indeed anywhere else) is none of my business. It's just that a lot of homophobic people rave on about how sodomy is disgusting when it's two men doing it. Then they get off watching porn with a man and a woman doing it... same with lesbian porn. Seems it's ok to be gay if you're blonde, female, and doing it in front of a camera to fuel your smack habit. Just seems like a bit of a double standard...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,C-Of-H
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 12:38 PM

A BIT?!?!

Is there, or has there ever been, any other kind of standard???

LOL

"It's just that a lot of homophobic people rave on"
Give an idiot enough rope and he'll evenutally hang himself... Which if you ask me, is doing the rest of us a huge favour...

Tangentally, I resist the assertion that all porn stars are drug addicts... Some very well are, and they aughta have help... but some folks just like to f#ck in front of a camera... and power to 'em says I!
:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 12:42 PM

"but some folks just like to f#ck in front of a camera"

I bet the cameraman likes it too...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,gnu
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 03:38 PM

OK. We agree that those who don't agree don't have a clue, even though it's written in black and white and available for all to read.

Now that homos have the right to civil union, could ye homo lads and lassies knock off the fucking parades? It is very, VERY fucking BEYOND rude. Get some manners and some decorum ya bunch a flamers! Geeeeeeze!!! We met you more than half way so don't be so half-assed. You get respect from us... we expect some respect.

Am I wrong here?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,C-On-to-the-H-On
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 03:45 PM

Ya... yer wrong Gnu.... Given that every other day of the year is an unspoken, unofficial "Straight Pride Parade"... One frigg'n day a year is NOT too much to give 'em...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,gnu
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 04:18 PM

We do not parade... that's the difference. No respect.... wait, WTF am I doing? Responding to a troll!!! Geeze... I am outta this closet. Y'all can muddle in the dark... just don't wave yer business in my face.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,C-On-to-the-H-On
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 04:25 PM

"We do not parade..."

Oh yes we do...   Every magazine... nearly every TV show... every radio station... everything 'mainstream' day in day out... straight.. stright... straight...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,gnu
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 05:35 PM

Geeze... you're right. Almost as if it was 'accepted' as normal behaviour or something. Not PC, but correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 08:10 PM

"...it is against the wishes of the majority of canadians. at least 63 to 65% of canadians are opposed to it." But in the same post: "This was a clear case of politicians not having the guts to go against the opinion of a percentage of the public."

The logic of that one escapes me. Voting for something that isn't too popular is a mark of lack of guts?

Seems to me a lot of fuss over a linguistic nicety - whether "civil union" means the same as "marital union". I can't really see why anyone should get exercised about it either way.

When I was a kid I remember we used sometimes to have sandwiches made of biscuit between slices of bread, and it was called "matrimony". It never occurred to us to ask whether the biscuits and the bread were boys or girls.

As the actress Mrs Patrick Campbell famously put it a century ago "I don't care what they do, so long as they don't do it in the streets and frighten the horses."

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 09:02 PM

Oh, who cares who parades what. I think i'm going to become positively pro-gay. I'm gonna go hand out leaflets to schoolkids. Fuck it, the world is over-populated as it is... I'm becoming a homophile; if nothing else, it'l piss off all those closed minded homophobic bastards who are far to concerned about other peoples sex lives to be considered healthy...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,karlykurls
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 10:43 AM

Tangentally, I resist the assertion that all porn stars are drug addicts... Some very well are, and they aughta have help... but some folks just like to f#ck in front of a camera... and power to 'em says I!

Here's one of our personal home video transcripts as a special treat just for you then, Guest COttHO. Enjoy!

Paul and I and alot of people like us owe a big debt of gratitude the porn industry. Taught us everything we needed we know, kept us primed and motivated and creatively inspired from our earliest years on .... hey, come to think of it, we owe just about everything we've become to the sex trade industry!

And we want you to know how much we appreciate your continuing support and encouragement. Keep it up! (Literally and figuratively).

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 10:55 AM

Viva Zapatero! Freedom and equality rule!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: harpgirl
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 10:57 AM

Now if I could just find a way to reap the benefits married people will have....while still staying single!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 11:59 AM

Blaming the adult entertainment industry for the actions of a couple of sick evil wackos is asinine...

Guest, karlykurls... you are the weakest link... goodbye

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: *daylia*
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 12:55 PM

"Adult entertainment industry"?

"ADULT"???

If the irony of that phrase was a little less toxic, I'd be ROTFLMAO!

Get informed, get a grip, and maybe you'll even grow up a little in the process.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Grab
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 12:59 PM

to have equality under the law the all things must be equal

Yup. Two people have to love each other, and commit to spending the rest of their lives together, "forsaking all others till death do us part" (or that's the theory anyway). Sounds like equality to me.

Do I hear the cry, "But gay couples can't have children!"? I knew I did. :-) But a large number of male/female couples are also unable to have children for various biological reasons. An even larger number *choose* not to have children. But their marriages aren't viewed as invalid, just bcos they're not producing kids.

If anyone can give a reason why gay people shouldn't get married that doesn't either (a) view marriage solely as a means of producing children, or (b) quote some "holy" book as justification, I'm quite prepared to change my mind about this. JimmyC, feel up to the challenge?

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 01:24 PM

Get informed? I'll wager you know 2 things about the adult entertainment industry... One is fuck... and the other is all...

YOU get informed and try growing up a little...

You probable wouldn't know a good reverse pile-driver if it danced up in front of you singing "Reverse Pile-Drivers Are Here Again!"... So try putting some information into your head before you spout off, provided that you can get it back out of your backside...

"give a reason why gay people shouldn't get married that doesn't..."
Such reasons you're looking for don't exist Graham... The two you excluded are the only two they have to go on... It's a mark of how ignorant such people are, that they continue to cling to them long after such arguments have done their Burning-Spitfire impressions, into the ground

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: *daylia*
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 02:33 PM

Applied Research Forum, National Electronic Network on Violence Against Women: Pornography and Sexual Violence, Robert Jensen

...There are limits to what research can tell us about the complex interactions of mass media and human behavior. But from both laboratory research and the narratives of men and women, it is not controversial to argue that pornography can: (1) be an important factor in shaping a male-dominant view of sexuality; (2) be used to initiate victims and break down their resistance to unwanted sexual activity; (3) contribute to a user's difficulty in separating sexual fantasy and reality; and (4) provide a training manual for abusers.

These conclusions provide support for the feminist critique of pornography that emerged in the 1970s and '80s, which highlighted pornography's harms to the women and children: (1) used in the production of pornography; (2) who have pornography forced on them; (3) who are sexually assaulted by men who use pornography; and (4) living in a culture in which pornography reinforces and sexualizes women's subordinate status.

People who raise critical questions about pornography and the sex industry often are accused of being prudish, anti-sex, or repressive, but just the opposite is true. Such questions are crucial not only to the struggle to end sexual and domestic violence, but also to the task of building a healthy sexual culture. Activists in the anti-violence and anti-pornography movements have been at the forefront of that task.

Like I said, Clinton - get informed, get a grip, and maybe you'll even grow up a little in the process. If you'd like to discuss this further, let's exchange PMs.

Sorry bout the drift, folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 03:06 PM

Oh I -SO- don't want a single PM from an ignoranus like you...

"the feminist critique of pornography that emerged in the 1970s and '80s"

Ancient frigg'n history! That demonizing of the porno industry has been universally shot down as excessive, over-reactionary, and out right lies... Even the so called 'Feminazis' went soft on this, cause they were quite frankly way out to sea... that's why you can't find anything reputable, less than 20+ years old to quote, unless they're quoting the same old garbage...

It's akin to people who claim that rap is misogynist.. well, you know what... the WOMEN who listen to it and enjoy it and sing it don't give a f-ck... Porno sales have never been higher or more socially accepted... 'sex shops' are now big open shiny stores, and they are frequented most by young and middle-aged couples with disposable income who are looking to 'spice things up' a little...

"harms to the women and children: (1) used in the production of pornography"
Not ALL women who make porno are harmed (I'd even hazard to say the whopping MAJORITY are NEVER harmed... I'll bet more people get hurt in their own bath tubs) and there are already laws against that and child porn... that's assault... it's not adult entertainment... There's a big difference.. and I'm in NO way condoning kiddie porn... d'uh...

"2) who have pornography forced on them"
Forced? Oh please... Ya don't like it, turn it off...

"(3) who are sexually assaulted by men who use pornography"
A man who is a rapist is going to rape, porn or no... A gun doesn't make a man a murderer does it? Men who rape often eat pizza before they rape... do you want to ban Pizza as well?

"(4) living in a culture in which pornography reinforces and sexualizes women's subordinate status"
Only people who know NOTHING about the industry would say that... On any reputable porno set, the WOMEN are the ones IN control! Their list of do's and don'ts lists come first (Especially before anyone else does :-P ) THEY get paid 3, 4, 5 times what the men stars get paid... (Wanna talk about objectification?? Men in porno are little more than props... invent a dildo that can do a convincing money shot, and you'll put them ALL out of work!) Cause that's industry standard, and any woman who finds herself ON a set where such isn't the case never has to go back, and can very easily RUIN that 'studio' and everyone working for it...

Are there Dark Underground Porno studios filming snuff and kiddie films? abso'frigg'nlootly... and they're an abomination... but they have NOTHING to do with the above board, legit, adult entertainment industry... as a matter of fact, it's the legit. industry that often fights hardest against the 'evil'... And they'd get more done if they didn't have to fight bints like you at the same time...

But all this has NOTHING to do with Gay Marriage, except in that I'd imagine a similar percentage of gay couples like to watch dirty movies together as so called 'straight' couples...

Happy Canada day! Rent yerself a porn, have a few drinks and get it on with someone ya love to celebrate! Ya might even have some fun...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: *daylia*
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 03:59 PM

You don't want a single PM from an ignoramus like me? :~D Well, sorry, Your Lowness, you just got one!

I've often seen your foul, abusive mouth; your misinformend, misguided, toxic, callous and oh-so-very-macho attitudes toward the subject at hand ... not to mention that trademark lack of even the most elementary of the social graces ... as a disgrace and a slur on every Canadian on the Cat!

BUt only when I forget just how unimportant and insignificant you ... and I ... and our opinions, really are.

Besides, you did help me pick out a really BEAUTIFUL Seagull guitar here once, that I enjoy so much every day, so ... I'm off to start me up some REAL fireworks! And you have yourself a great Canada Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 04:10 PM

"your misinformend(sic.) attitudes"
I'm not the one who when presented with evidence I couldn't refute, challenges I couldn't meet, had to abandon the subject at hand and resort to personal attacks on the apparent source of that evidence, those challenges... I may have CHOSEN to attack you WHILE I dismissed your blatherskite, but that's a whole different beast...

"oh-so-very-macho attitudes"
Not knowing what a mincing little fairy I am in real life...

"social graces "
Are for those who deserve them... I see no reason to waste them on you...

I've never seen anyone be more of a wimp over a PM than they were in their post of the same subject.. ya musta PMed me first, and had time for the old wheels to turn eh...

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jul 05 - 04:12 PM

Judges do it
Priest's do it

Even Captains of big ships do it

marrying 2 people in love.

What about an American ship captain in Canadian waters doing same sex marriages?

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jul 05 - 02:45 PM

" What about an American ship captain in Canadian waters doing same sex marriages?"

THAT goes against everything the Bible teaches, and I WON'T stand for it!

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: JennyO
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 12:52 AM

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: LilyFestre
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 12:53 PM

Two thumbs up for both Canada and Spain!!!! It's about time and it's too bad that it isn't happening here YET!!!

Gnu said something about not having the Gay Pride Parades. I think that is just plain wrong. I've been to several Gay Pride Parades and absolutely LOVE THEM! It is a wonderful time for everybody and it's SO NICE to see loving people holding hands and being tender with one another...regardless of gender. It's a shame that two men or two women can't walk down the street holding the hand of their loved one for fear of being attacked or for fear of losing their job, or for fear of ridicule. Clinton is right, straight folks have this freedome every single day...if you personally don't want to see it, don't look....don't go to the parades but certainly don't stand in the way of people loving one another.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 01:13 PM

I always thought the line was "let me not...admit impediment". But the Oxford edition on the web says:

LET me not to the marriage of true minds        
Admit impediments. Love is not love        
Which alters when it alteration finds,        
Or bends with the remover to remove:        
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,                 5
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;        
It is the star to every wandering bark,        
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.        
Love 's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks        
Within his bending sickle's compass come;         10
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,        
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.        
If this be error, and upon me prov'd,        
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 01:20 PM

Leaving aside issues about gayness and whatever, anysociety where it is seen as deviant for any two human beings to hold hands in public is a pretty sick and weird society.

Subject: RE: BS: Canada Legalizes Same Sex Marriage
From: GUEST,Canadian
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 02:03 PM

Canada is the third country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage, FYI.