Anniversary of 9-11 (01)

Subject: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST,W
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:12 AM

Does anyone remember?. Seems to be over shadowed, even by Mt. St. Helens

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:45 PM

First thing I thought of when I looked at the date today. Probably the same for a lot of people but dealt with internally now, four years on.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Rockhen
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:48 PM

Yes
I wrote a song the night it happened. It was such an awful event. I still feel guilty, particularly on the anniversary, that I didn't try to raise some money for the victims, by using it, somehow.
I guess it is too late, now. I would have gladly given it to someone, reputable, to use for some good.
I won't make that mistake with other songs because I still feel really bad about that one.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Mooh
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:00 PM

Really? It was all over the news this morning (CNN and CTV), and there were prayers in church, and my youngest even mentioned it.

There you go.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:44 PM

I'm really not into the whole memorializing of 9/11, and I don't do anything to "celebrate" or "remember" it. Of course, the Bush administration is still trying to get all the political mileage it can out of it, so I'm very cyncial about the official memorialization of the day by them.

Really, these were almost exclusively civilians killed and hurt. I think it is more appropriate to let those families who lost loved ones decide how they want to spend the day. There has always been an aspect of national exploitation (by the Bush admin & the media) of what should have been private grieving. I was all for a national memorial one year on, but that was all I ever thought appropriate. Now I think the memories of those lost is best left with their loved ones--give them some privacy, I say.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:41 PM

I'm also wondering what year the official ceremonies will stop having people read the individual name of every person killed? After five years? Ten? 200?

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:43 PM

I have been holding my breath for about three days now.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:50 PM

Why?

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:03 PM

Not likely I will ever forget it. But life fortunately has gone on.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:30 PM

No one should forget 9/11. But they shouldn't dwell on it either. Last week at work, I used the word 'boxcutter' and the person, whom I had just recently met, said that word always reminds them of 9/11.

I found that to be utterly ridiculous. We live in near complete safety far from any threat of terrorist attacks.

Some people are addicted to "national" disasters, and exploit them as a form of excitement and drama in their otherwise dull lives, IMO.

But then, I never have grasped the whole nationalist identity worship so many Americans claim--I find it silly, pointless and completely irrelevant to my life. So maybe it's me.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:36 PM

Holding my breath because this would have been a good time to have another attack--while the US is reeling from Katrina and the government administration is in the same f***ed up state it's been in for five bloody years. That's why.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:23 PM

That occurred to me too, Bruce. I imagine there are many who have had that same thought.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:42 PM

Well, the thought the US might be at greater risk because of the anniversary never even occurred to me, even when the woman I mention above said the word "boxcutter" always reminded her of 9/11. My birthday is Sept 12th. But this year, the "anniversary" wasn't on my radar at all. In fact, I was kind of surprised to hear we are already at the 4th anniversary.

Time flies.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:55 PM

I'm waiting for the US to hold a ceremony to commemorate 11 Sepember 1973 and read out the names of the thousands killed in that slaughteraided and supported by the US government.

Then I might be able to take all the hand-wringing about "terrorist victims" more seriously.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:14 PM

Michelle Pena Herrera
Nalvia Rosa Mena Alvarado
Cecilia Castro Salvadores
Ida Amelia Almarza


Hay una mujer desaparecida
Hay una mujer desaparecida
En Chile, en Chile, en Chile
And the Junta
And the Junta knows
And the Junta knows where she is
And the junta knows where they are
Hiding her she's dying

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:22 PM

It is also Harry Connick, Jr's birthday.

Along with Mickey Hart, Leo Kottke, Brian de Palma, Moby, and my cousin.

9/11 didn't impact my life. The recession Bush/Cheney blamed on it did, but not the event itself.

I've always thought it was pretty eerie too, that the Bush White House celebrates it's own 9/11 ceremony on the South Lawn--replete with odd and bizarre customs, including leaving the nation out of it. How strange is that, now really?

I suppose you could say it isn't strange at all, considering the bubble the Bush White House lives in.

I mean, take the inflation of gas prices and how out of control and frightened Americans are by it. Bush hasn't said squat about it. No Clintonian "I feel your pain" speeches. Just being totally hands off, silent and remote.

So much for compassionate conservatism, eh?

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:34 PM

Heard this today for the first time. Songs will ensure people don't forget, IMO.

Thank you, Tom Paxton.

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:51 PM

Don't know who you are GUEST, but yes, this was also an anniversary. We used to sing "Hay una mujer" in my choir, and it was sung at a local folk club on Saturday night. Such a sad song.

Jenny

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:32 AM

Come on now, no one else thinks it is even a little strange and creepy the Bush White House holds their own 9/11 ceremony on the South Lawn every year?

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:38 AM

Yes Jenny, time for Keith McKenry's poem in remeber of September 11..

September the Eleventh

At dawn on September the eleventh he received his orders.
While others would attack the citadels of commerce and defence
To his team would go the greatest honour,
That of targeting the President himself.

They would attack by air the central symbol of the Infidel's power
The Presidential Palace
And they would take out this obscene man
And all who stood by him.

Democracy the infidels called it.
Let them call it thus
And carp at the virtue of elections.
Elections were fallible.
And now things had to be put right.

He had chosen his team well.
While others might quake at the magnitude
Of their mission, they would not flinch.

They boarded the aircraft carrying with them the hopes of all true believers.
They had the support, too, of powerful friends abroad,
Of a courageous foreign government that supported their cause,
Equipped them, trained them, and put up cash.
And when victory was won and the revolution complete
It would recognise them, and give them honour.
To it, too, must go the glory.

The plan was meticulous.
His destiny - and that of his colleagues - was in his own hands.
Flying low, he turned the aircraft towards the capital
And prayed his aim would be true.

The attack succeeded.
The President, given warning by developments elsewhere,
Chose to stay in his residence and dared them do their worst.
He was dead by evening. His regime - like his palace - rubble
around him.

He made a final broadcast to the nation. Here is part of what he said:
"This is surely the last opportunity I will have to address you...
With my life I will pay for defending the principles
Dear to our nation - these are my last words".

And so they were. On September 11 1973
Salvador Allende, President of Chile died,
Refusing to flee an air attack on the Presidential Palace.
His murderers, a military putsch supported by the government of the United States,
Overthrew the democratically-elected government
And established a rein of terror that saw thousands murdered.

Thus did the date September 11
First associate terror with the United States.

Keith McKenry

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:45 AM

Creepy in a Nixonian, get drunk and talk to the presidential portraits sort of way?

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: JennyO
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:12 AM

Thanks freda, for reminding me about Keith McKenry's poem. I had forgotten about it, even though I had it saved on my computer. The poem is in his book 'The Folklore of Terrorism: Songs, Poems and Sketches from a Crazy World' (Fanged Wombat Productions, Canberra 2003), and it has also been transformed into a song by Bruce Watson. The song is on Bruce's CD, 'A Moving Feast'.

Jenny

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Amos
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 10:12 AM

Nameless one, allow me to wish you a happy birthday; like me, you probably completely lost your 2001 birthday in the wake of the disaster the day before.

I think your point about leaving the memorialization of 9-1-01 to those who were personally touched by it is an excellent one.

But since 9-11 has been the major piece of the fearmongering which fuels the administration's depradations, of course, as you say, they will squeeze it for anything they can get out of it.

A

Subject: RE: Anniversary of 9-11 (01)
From: Pogo
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 10:29 AM

I only wish to remember 9/11 for the sake of those who died because of it, for those who were heroes and victims. You can leave the pomp and the pagentry...that cheapens the significance of their deaths in my opinion. A moment's silence is enough for me.