music has colors

Subject: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:28 PM

I am now 58 years old or young how ever one looks at it.i do not feel old and am told by many I do not look that old.It does not matter to me anyway.
I am a late bloomer in the music arena.I made my living as a suit and with my brains not my back so I have been lucky that way for sure.I am definitely not knocking those who have used their backs though.I feel that the important thing is to make a honest living and be able to look at your own face in the mirror and see someone you can respect.This is all just background to give someone a sense of who and what I am.
The first time I messed with music was when my family lived in the Phillipine Islands.We moved there when I was 8 years old and stayed till I was 13.I got involved with the school band and brought home a Trombone first then a Saxaphone.For some reason unknown to me,I was able to instantly play some simple songs and have them sound right.One song that comes to mind is Tea for two.I cannot remember any of the others now.I was facinated with music then as now but didn't know much of anything about it.I thought learning how to read music and music theory was boring.i didn't understand why I needed to know it either.I got no support whatsoever from anyone in my family with my music and had to play where no one could hear me.I also got interested in the drums but never did get to bang on them till high school.We moved two more times before I left home to go in the Navy in 1965 the last place being near Sacramento California.I had a good friend that showed me the first things on a guitar and got where I could play some songs like Blue Moon ,honky Tonk,and house of the rising sun.I thought I was doing them properly but didn't find out how little I really knew until about 5 years ago.This story is geting too long but I feel I need to tell it because it may help someone get to the next level of playing from where they are now.I will try to jump ahead a bit.I played alot of music for a lot of folks and thought I was pretty good and the people I played for mostly all thought so as well.Then I started making friends with some younger folks who had mostly spent their time playing music.That is when I found out how little I knew.One of these people showed me some things that till this day he does not have any idea what and how it helped me but it did.I am one of those that has to understand how something works before I can really master it.I started learning in leaps and bounds even mystifying myself.I could not believe it was me playing.i am not by any means saying I am as good as or better than anyone just comparing myself to myself and what I hear.I found that if I can get my sound to sound like someone did in a song i could learn it really quickly.I learned how to play the Bluesharp almost overnight by experimenting trying to make those sounds.I kept trying to get my guitar to sound like something I had heard a long time ago by a man called Gabor Szabo and one day I found that sound.On that day I started to see in my mind a rainbow of colors associated with the music and realized that it also had a texture.The sound I was striving for has bright colors like Red and Purple and bright orange and Yellow and it's texture is Syrupy.Since then I have figured out all kinds of stuff on the guitar.It amazes me to this day how the sound itself makes so much difference.I tried and tried to get my guitar to sound like this Black Guy I recorded by the name of Terry Harmonica Bean and never could get it.One day someone explained to me that Blues has more Mids to it than most music and again a revelation of learning has occured and is still occuring.I plan to try to put this kind of stuff in a format and in a way that will help people to learn much faster.Sorry this is so long but believe it or not I skipped a lot.Thanks for reading this if you have and thanks for your comments if you do.mississippitom

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:35 PM

one of the world's greatest artists agrees with you, mississippitom

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:58 PM

Would some kind clone please paragraph the above so I can read it???

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:58 PM

Composition X, 1939 by Wassily Kandinsky

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:01 PM

Bravo belisima.Unreal and otherworldly also come to mind.Why is it that I am just now discovering all this stuff so late in life.Better late than never I guess.I just hope I have enough time to do something with it now.Truly wisdom comes with age for those that allow it to happen and seek it.Thanks for postin this it is wonderful.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:04 PM

Sorry Sorcha I kind of get carried away and tend to write as I speak.It is something I am trying to do better at.
I was so afraid it was too long that I ran stuff together.My English Teachers all said the same thing.
If I could ever overcome the problem,I would like to do some writing.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:05 PM

here's another attempt, that last blicky didnt work!


Yellow, Red Blue by Wassily Kandinsky

Composition X by Wasily Kandinsky

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:11 PM

Unbelieveable.A person can actually hear those paintings if they let themselves.The second one reminds me of how I see music in the Universe.Thanks again.Where did the pictures come from?Is there a book or are they on line?

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:16 PM

The strangest thing to me about music and color is that I don't remember anyone ever telling me that it had colors I just experienced it on that day and do almost every time I play now.It is a happy set of colors and they make me want to see it more.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:37 PM

Tom, if you can't figure out where a paragraph ends and another begins, perhaps random blank lines might even help. It is fatiguing to have to maintain your place in the text without clues, and your high school teachers HAD to read your writing. Anyhow, I made it through and found it interesting.

It sounds like synesthesia

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:38 PM

Thanks Jeri.I do better sometimes than others.Some of these things I

am writing have been inside of me for so long and wanting to come out
so bad that it just gushes out if that makes any sense.

For me to be writing at all is a major step and now that I have started maybe I will get better at it.

Thanks for taking the time to read it.I realize what you are saying is correct for sure.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 08:19 PM

mississippitom

another thing that REALLY helps readability (makes it easier to read) is to put a space after every full stop (.)

Sample.One
Sample. Two

I don't seem to have the sound/colour crossover, but I do have a taste/sound crossover - useful when cooking.

I have some micro motor damage incurred during birth. I found out that certain PC monitors with certain lower resolution sizes and refresh rates 'dance' when I talk.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 08:44 PM

A taste sound crossover.Now that is interesting.

I am not all that surprised about the monitor situation.

One thing that amazes me about myself is that I have diplopia but do not have a problem reading the way I write.

My brain somehow has learned to discern differntly.

An amazing thing the brain.How little we understand about it.

I am always coming up with ideas about how to do something or a new design or invention and usually in a few years it happens.

It makes me wonder if people really think of things or if maybe somehow the thought is already floating around in the Cosmos and we just pick it up.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:08 PM

All human brains are genetically programmed to be constructed on the same basic design, so it is only to be expected that all undamaged ones will eventually chance upon similar thoughts.

Subject: RE: sCRIABIN - PERFECT PITCH THROUGH COLOR ASSOCI
From: GUEST,Mickyman
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:28 PM

The symphonic composer Scriabin also explored the music/color thing. I remember reading about how he was all excited about the new electrical lighting that would allow his pieces to be performed in settings with specific colors, and he suggested certain colors to be used in the future when electrical stage lights became more common in symphony halls.
    Isn't there also that smiley faced blond guy that you see in all the musician magazines who teaches perfect pitch by associating pitches with colors. He's been in the mags for over thirty years, since I was a kid, so perhaps he's on to something. HAS ANYBODY HAD ANY SUCCESS DEVELOPING PERFECT PITCH USING HIS METHOD?

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 05:38 AM

Tasting music has its disadvantages, e.g. the Bee Gees, whose harmonies, to me, taste of vomit.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Stu
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 06:26 AM

Welcome to the club mississippitom!

This condition has a name, and it's called synesthesia. I think I started a thread in this before, but I cannot find it.

Anyway, my own experience is music and colour and shapes. When playing traditional tunes, the colours and their relationship to keys go as follows:

G = Yellow
Gm = greeny yellow
D = brown
Dm = ochre with green patches
Em/E = purple
C = red
Bm = deep blue
Am - beige

As a graphic designer, I can put on certain music to inspire me (not folk - I just want to play along to it and listen). For some reason heavily layered sythesiser music works a treat with its rich textures and wide soundscapes. Especially worth mentioning are Ulrich Schnauss, Talvin Singh and Jean-Michelle Jarre.

Here's a link to mixed signals , an onlise source for synesthetes (which I suspect is extremely common).

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:46 AM

As a graphic designer, I can put on certain music to inspire me (not folk - I just want to play along to it and listen). For some reason heavily layered sythesiser music works a treat with its rich textures and wide soundscapes. Especially worth mentioning are Ulrich Schnauss, Talvin Singh and Jean-Michelle Jarre.

Here's a link to mixed signals , an onlise source for synesthetes (which I suspect is extremely common).

Thanks for the info.I will definitely check it out.

Part of what I learned in relation to this is that when your sound is truly correct if you are a person inclined to experience this you will.
It was and is a pleasant experience for sure.I can understand why to some degree people use drugs for the pleasure of the colors they see.
By no means am I saying it is a wise thing to do though.

At least I know now that I am not going crazy.Well maybe I am but that is not a symptom.:-))

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:34 AM

Back to Wasily Kandinsky, one of the most original and influential artists of the twentieth-century. His work pioneered an abstract style of painting that was based on the non-representational properties of color and form.

Kandinsky, himself an accomplished musician, once said "Colour is the keyboard, the eyes are the harmonies, the soul is the piano with many strings. The artist is the hand that plays, touching one key or another, to cause vibrations in the soul." The concept that color and musical harmony are linked has a long history, intriguing scientists such as Sir Isaac Newton. Kandinsky used color in a highly theoretical way associating tone with timbre (the sound's character), hue with pitch, and saturation with the volume of sound. He even claimed that when he saw colour he heard music.

here, Kandinsky and Music , is more fascinating information on Kandinsky's theories of music and art..
(excerpts)

"Wagner's Lohengrin, which had stirred Kandinsky to devote his life to art, had convinced him of the emotional powers of music. The performance conjured for him visions of a certain time in Moscow that he associated with specific colors and emotions. It inspired in him a sense of a fairy-tale hour of Moscow, which always remained the beloved city of his childhood. His recollection of the Wagner performance attests to how it had retrieved a vivid and complex network of emotions and memories from his past: "The violins, the deep tones of the basses, and especially the wind instruments at that time embodied for me all the power of that pre-nocturnal hour. I saw all my colors in my mind; they stood before my eyes. Wild, almost crazy lines were sketched in front of me. I did not dare use the expression that Wagnet had painted 'my hour' musically."

"It was at this special moment that Kandinsky realized the tremendous power that art could exert over the spectator and that painting could develop powers equivalent to those of music. He felt special attraction to Wagner, whose music was greatly admired by the Symbolists for its idea of Gesamtkunstwerk that embraced word, music, and the visual arts and was best embodied in Wagner's The Ring of the Nibelung, with its climax of global cataclysm. One can also presume that Kandinsky, philosophically a child of the German Romantic tradition, was strongly attracted to Wagner's use of medieval Germanic myths and legends, including those of the world's creation and destruction, as symbols that allowed for the translation of his philosophical attitudes toward the world view, religion, and love. For instance, Kandinsky was enthralled by Tristan and Isolde as an expression of undying love and spiritual transformation. But in Wagner there is also an affinity with the philosophy of Schopenhauer, who considered music to be of central importance in man's emotional life.

"Among his musical contemporaries, Kandinsky admired the work of Aleksander Scriabin, whose innovations he found compatible with his own objectives in painting. What especially intrigued Kandinsky were Scriabin's researches toward establishing a table of equivalencies between tones in color and music, a theory that Scriabin effectively applied in his orchestral work Prometheus: A Poem of Fire (1908). These tonal theories parallel Kandinsky's desire to find equivalencies between colors and feelings in painting: indeed, one of the illustrations included in the essay on Scriabin published in the Blaue Reiter Almanac was a color reproduction of Composition IV.

"Kandinsky's conviction that music is a superior art to painting due to its inherent abstract language came out forcefully in the artist's admiration for the music of the Viennese composer Arnold SchÖnberg, with whom he initiated a longstanding friendship and correspondence and whose Theory of Harmony (1911) coincided with Kandinsky's On the Spiritual in Art. Kandinsky's complex relationship to SchÖnberg's music is central to his concept of Composition, since SchÖnberg's most important contribution to the development of music, after all, occurred in the area of composition."

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:13 AM

Wow Freda.It is wonderful to me to know that someone else and probably many more than anyone realizes sees and understands what I do about music and it's power.
I find it extremely intersting that Kandanski and the Artists he admired so much saw the effect that painting and music have on the soul.
To me this confirms what I have believed for a very long time.I just had no one to talk to about it that even seemed to care.

I wonder if these folk experienced the total lack of anyone close to them understanding or appreciateing the value of what they have discovered and encourageing them in that direction.

There is no telling what I might have done if anyone gave me encouragement in the area of art.

That just makes me more determined to encourage anyone I come across with the desire to do something with the Arts.

Thanks for taking the time to post this stuff.-:))

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:47 AM

Hi Tom

Artists think in images and represent abstract thoughts in visual images. Kandinski was wise enough to say that music is more powerful than art. I am an artist, and i agree!

all hail to those who think in colours and images! and all praise to those who turn it into music!

freda

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 11:00 AM

I just realized something else Freda.The doodles that I have done my whole life when trying to sit and listen to a lecture or talking on the phone were all very similar to what Kandanski did.

How did he get his lines so crisp?All of his shapes are very crisp and ordered.They are ordered but not repetitive that is what I see in it.I think he was capturing the order and disorder of the Universe at the same time if that makes any sense.

That is what I do when doodleing.When sitting at a bar even when I was carrying on a conversation,I would always try to position my glass or bottle exactly in the middle of the coaster over and over.I see that in his art.It is an obseession I believe.

I have an extremely hard time writing a song that does not ryhme in a very peridoical way.

Such food for thought.Ain't it wonderful!!

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 02:54 PM

Hi, Tom, thanks for using the line breaks more, now. It does make stuff easier to read. Good for you, for making music and making up for the lack of support when you were a child!

I grew up in a musical family with a brother who is a classical composer. Ever since i can remember, I have seen scenes, colours, etc. when listening to or making music. My brother trained my "ear" without my even knowing it, in that he made it so much fun to listen for the "pictures" and also to hear each section of instruments, individually, in a symphony, etc., so that I could hear all of the composition, not just the "final mix." Though he is a challenge, I will be grateful, forever, for his tutelage and that of my parents and other siblings, as well as great music teachers.

You might be interested in Ancient Seekers of Universal Harmony (scroll down the page a bit.) (I am not familiar with Ani Williams, just found her site by searching Google for samples of ancient civilisations which correlated music and colours.

My brother has had several articles published on the healing power of music and has also opined a way of using music, geography, colours, etc. to help prevent earthquakes.

You might also find this of interest Click here. Some folks have been *rediscovering* some ancient techniques which can have a healing effect, imo, involving the chakras, sounds, and colour.

Thanks for a great thread!

kat

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 04:21 PM

Thanks kat.Unfortunately there was no music in my house except for the stuff my dad played sometimes on a stereo system he had made for him when we lived in the Phillipines.

He once told me that he didn't know where I got the music talent from.I have since found that there are many in our genetic background just not in those we were around much.Many people do not understand the value of music and the Arts and see it as a waste of time.
I feel sorry for those that don't see the true value in music.So much of our society revolves around immediate generation of revenue.There is no telling how many wonderful pieces were not written or recorded.
I have a recording studio and have learned how to produce good quality music.I record people that would never be heard otherwise.I do not charge a fee for recording and producing the end product.I split the cost of actually making the CD's themselves and the covers for the CD's and then try to sell them.I split the profit with the artist.
I also try to tell folk how they can do it all themselves without a great outlay of funds.I think ,no I know, the world needs more good music.
This site is a God Send as far as I am concerned and can have a very positive effect if used properly and from what I have experienced so far,if one stays away from politics it is quite good.

Thanks for your input and kind words.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Helen
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 05:40 PM

I'm getting ready for work and reading this while drinking my coffee. I'll come back and read it later, properly, but thanks for the interesting thread.

Stigweard, have you ever heard the techno-percussion duo called Leftfield. Their first album called Leftism is my favourite favourite album in the world. It is so complex, with lots of intertwining rhythms, and everytime I listen to it I hear something more. It defies description so don't be put off by the label I use i.e. "techno-percussion". It is a very visual album. The best way to listen to it is to lie down with your eyes shut and "see" the music as it moves around in colours, patterns, shapes and rhythms in your head. I imagine it as an animated piece and I wish I could create what I see and hear.

Also some scientific experiments have been done to find the best music to play while doing brain-intensive work like studying or writing reports or problem solving etc and it appears that Baroque music wins by a mile. www.brain.com has some articles and also some specially selected CD's of music for different types of needs, e.g. relaxation, working, etc.

Helen

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 06:19 PM

Here's a link to the most recent thread on the subject of synesthesia.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 06:47 PM

Nice thread, M-Tom. It's good to see some good music threads here.

I agree about music being apprehended in more than just aural ways, especially when you play it yourself. That's part of the power and magic of it. It's not just mathematics (though many also find that subject beautiful) applied to sound frequencies. I always "see" the music with an inner eye as well: the peaks and valleys, the bright and more subdued tones, shapes of musical phrases... they all create a picture in my mind. Not a painting because it isn't static nor unevolving.

A similar idea was touched on in this recent thread started by Jerry R.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 06:59 PM

"I would always try to position my glass or bottle exactly in the middle of the coaster over and over. ... I have an extremely hard time writing a song that does not rhyme in a very periodical way."

As I said - that is a result of the way the human brain is designed - and no - I don't believe in "Intelligent Design" = it too is an artifact of the brain design. That means that what you think you see when you look at something is only a result of the internal filters built into the basic design of the brain system.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:08 PM

I am into audio software big time and looked at some stuff today that will produce colors and animations with the music.

I also found a piece of software that will play music based on the picture one is looking at.After I get a chance to evaluate it I will post something about it.

I will look at all the threads and sites everyone is posting.I checked into quite a bit of good stuff on synesthesia today.

It described exactly what I have experienced and said other things that made a lot of sense as well.One thing that has been discovered about those that experience this is that these people tend to rember things like phone numbers and addreses.

When I was in the workaday world I carried about 200 or so phone numbers in my head.
Another thing they said was that people that have this experience usually do so when they are young.Mine did not happen till this past year.I really think it was because I was to distracted with other things and did not hit that special sound until late in life.

It does not matter how old we are but rather what we are open to and tuned in to.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:20 PM

Do you use the music visualization feature found on most computer media players, for instance with Windows Media Player or MusicMatch Jukebox? I found I got bored with that pretty quickly.

But it reminded me of my old early high school days in Grade 10 electronics when all of us guys wanted to construct our own "colour organ" and strobe light to use when we listened to our music at parties and the jays and spliffs got passed around.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:14 PM

I dont use the visualization on the players.I spend most of my time playing music myself and playing along with tracks.I have seen what you are speaking of on several players.
I am trying to find more info on what colors are associated with different tones.I know when I experience the colors while playing there is a certain kind of sound that makes it vivid to me.I thought it quite strange but pleasant.
There is a sound that I feel is my sound if that makes any sense.It is the sound I want to hear when I play my electric guitar.It occurs when I have my guitar effects pedal on acoustic and the mids all the way down and the treble and bass all the way up with a slight reverb.It is a sound that has it's own soul to me.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Alice
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:38 PM

tom, from what I know about synesthesia, each person who can see colors for sounds have their own unique combination of colors/sounds. Some synesthetes see/feel the colors around their waist, some above or around their head... each person's experience is unique.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:50 PM

The only colour association with music I have is based on the 'colour-organ' thingies from the 70s - and that depended on what colours I plugged ito which channel - totally a learned experience.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 06:24 AM

Many people see letters and numbers in colour, and one person's A might be blue while another sees it as red, yellow, brown ...
I am wondering if there could be a problem if some one sees the sound of the note A in a different colour from the picture of the letter A etc.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:11 AM

Everything I have read about systhesis so far tells me that all people can have the experience but only some do.The brain of most of us just does not allow it to happen.
I feel that if a person really worked at it they would see colors and feel something different in music.I may be wrong but that is what I think.
I am not even sure if I have systhesis because it never happened to me before about a year ago.According to what I have read about it most experience this at a young age.It could be that my brain chemistry has changed somewhat due to medications I take as well.I am not sure.I am just glad it happened to me.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:51 AM

This piece of software is supposed to play the music in any picture on your computer screes or just the colors in a Web Page.I have not tried it yet as I am trying to finish up some honey do's over the next few days. http://www.pixound.com/
This thing looks really interesting to me.If someone does download and try it please let me know what you think.There is another one that sounds real interesting but aparently from what I read on their site one must purchase the key to use it.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 10:31 AM

You could try dropping some acid.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 11:45 AM

I never have to this time in my life and i think will pass on it now.I am sure it would be a vivd experience.The yaqui Indians use Peyote instead.
The experiences to a great degree were written into a series of books written by Carlos Casteneda called The Foundation Trilogy.Those were written in the early 70's.He wrote another book in the early ninetys.I can't remember the Title right now but it had to do with Dreams and was really interesting to me.
It seems that the Yaqui Indians have known for a long time that there was more than one world and Universe.But again I think I will pass on that experience as well.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: GLoux
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 12:38 PM

I thought the Foundation Trilogy was science fiction by Isaac Asimov. The Teachings of Don Juan was by Carlos Castendada. It was about the Yaqui Indians...

-Greg

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 02:11 PM

You are right I have mixed them up before.It was still a series of books though right.It has been too many years now.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: GUEST,Mike, Halifax UK
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:37 AM

An outstanding thread.
I have always seen guitar cords as colours i.e.

E deep green
G light blue
A red
C yellow
D deep blue
F brown
B black

Don't know why but its always been there ever since I picked up a guitar.

I think its a personal thing depending on how the brain is wired up and probable how music relates to childhood experiences (maybe even pre-natal) There is an interesting line of enquiry regarding the Theosophical Society that was started around the turn of the last centaury by Madame Blavatsky. (1875) Several people wrote about the higher vibrations of the invisible world made manifest by material existence. ( Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater) Music is after all vibrations. Music and colour played a part in revealing these invisible vibrations. I think its in a book called 'thought forms' where different musical composers work can be seen through clairvoyant vision as coloured forms. Just another angle to this fascinating thread.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:43 AM

Thanks for that input Mike.I agree with you about the color in music being a personal thing.I can't tell you why. I believe that.I have no scientific evidence to support it.
I have learned through my life experiences many things and one of them is that everything is affected by everything if that makes sense.\

What has made this thread fascinating is all the great input and the kindness with which it was given as far as I am concerned.

If only we could get this thread and others like it on Mud Cat to carry over to the world at large.That is my goal in life anyway for what it is worth which probably isn't much to anyone except those that understand it and love the positive effect music can have like I do.

If nothing else happens at least my words are not all running together anymore.
Thanks for everyones patience with my writing.So much of what I have been writing has been banging around in my head for so long with no where to go and no one to tell it to it easily gets jumbled.That seems to be getting better.I am sure some of you know what I am talking about.
I want to delve into another topic related to this one.I wonder if a new thread should be started so folks would know what it is about quickly and maybe participate more readily.
The topic is OCD and it's relationship to Artists of the Painting type as well as Muscians and any of the other Art forms.
Some things I have thought about relating to myself and some of the Painters and Composers that Freda turned me on to.What does everyone think?

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 02:24 PM

This is somewhat off topic, but some may be interested in these charts of Color Symbolism

A chart on the associations of colors with specific colors is also included.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 02:24 PM

excuse me-I meant to say that a chart on the association of colors with specific cultures is included.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 02:30 PM

Also the subject of auras may also be of interest to some posting in this thread.

I've only seen an aura two times.

Scary and fascinating!

See this site Auras for an introduction to the subject.

Here is a quote from that site:

"An aura is the electromagnetic field surrounding an object. Some people refer to this field as a bio-energy field.

In truth this energy field not only goes around you, but moves within your body as well. It is not just the outside of your body that is made of electromagnetic energies, every part of your and everything your experience in third dimension.

Auras vibrate to different color, sound and light frequencies. The color spectrum varies with one's physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual states."

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: mississippitom
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:12 PM

I don't think that is off topic at all Azizi.I believe that auras have to be affected by music.There is no doubt in my mind.Thanks for posting.i will check out the color symbolism.it is all very interesting to me and i dont think any of it is uninteresting or unconnected.
I am fully aware that many think that artists of any persuasion are a little uncentered.this does not bother me in the least.I am happy to be considered uncentered myself.

Subject: RE: music has colors
From: GUEST,Mike, Halifax UK
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 06:22 PM

mississippitom,
It's difficult to know where this thread can go to. There are at least three or four good potential threads but they may all would go off the 'mudcat' theme. Its all good food for thought for anyone with a keen interest in the emotional content of song and music and how it works on the deeper levels of the human psyche. Music in all its forms is a fundamental of human existence and folk tradition has played its part from the first beatings of a drum and its intrinsic relationship to a beating heart through to a collective orchestra and its symbolism of advanced collective society working together to produce music in celebration and elevation of the human spirit. Azizi's colour symbolism is spot on and so is the 'Auras' site especially for anyone wanting to ask the more subtler questions of why we love music whether playing or listening. For anyone interested in this thread 'music has colour' it has a definite esoteric feel to it and therefore may not be core content to usual mudcats threads. I may be wrong.

As I said earlier, music makes visible the invisible. So does colour (and also mathematics that underpins all things, natural and man/woman made). Try a new thread by all means but these things may be better spoken about over a few beers or wine in convivial company. Not a common thing in my experiance.