BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?

Subject: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Oct 05 - 12:29 PM

If so, please PM me. Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Tig
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:36 AM

You forgot to say which sort Sorch. This should bring it back to the top.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:23 PM

Be careful who you invite in for tea, Sorcha. That's my advice.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Beer
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:40 PM

Well said Little Hawk.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:41 PM

yeah, I'm a therpist.

My advice: Get laid.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:52 PM

Never trust an illiterate therpist.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: GUEST,Slim Eric
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 06:18 PM

Did not know that therapists could train to be illiterate!

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 06:23 PM

Oh, yes. Some do it quite well.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 06:51 PM

Like I said..... ;-) "therpist" Yeah, ha! "the rapist"? Maybe.

What makes you think that another person whom you pay big bucks to so you can talk all about your personal stuff is any more dependable in knowing what to do about it than you are? They might be less dependable than you. They might have hangups you don't have. Undependable and totally weird people can pass university courses and get a degree you know.

Freud had a hangup about sex. He was really fucked, you might say, but I don't mean that literally. Jung had ideas of his own. Others have followed. They all see the World in their own strange way, and what makes them the authority over you?

"If you want somebody you can trust, trust yourself." - Bob Dylan

I may be going way wide of the mark in this case, though, so if I am, just ignore me, Sorcha. Hey, what do I know? I could've been a therapist too, but the idea didn't attract me much. It sounds like a cool way to make an upscale living, though, talking to people...and getting paid for it. Wow! I wonder why Dylan did not become a therapist? It must have been very tempting, back in those lean Greenwich Village days... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 06:53 PM

Thanks all who responded. We are making headway now.
PS--Mr and I are OK!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:02 PM

Good.

Now, consider this: William Shatner might well have become a therapist instead of an actor! Yes. He could have. He had all the right characteristics, I think. Boy. Just THINK about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:06 PM

Now, consider this: William Shatner might well have become a therapist instead of an actor! Yes. He could have. He had all the right characteristics, I think. Boy. Just THINK about it.

Shatner? Listening to people?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: rumanci
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:07 PM

I have!!!   Little Hawk
aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
pass the sick bag please
;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:20 PM

I heard that Shatner was the 'anchor man' for a US version of the Japanese show 'Iron Chef' - wish I could see a few episodes - need a good laugh...

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:28 PM

It aint easy to trust oneself if suffering from depression. My damn brain keeps telling me a load of crap, so I end up not trusting a darn thing it tells me, but I still think. How do you stop thinking? That sure would help alot, being able to not think. At least I think it would! See the dilemma?

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:59 PM

Yes, the negative thinking is exactly the problem. If one could silence the damned mind at such times, one might find much peace in the silence. That is the purpose of meditation. When you try to meditate, the mind of course starts busily trying to get you to STOP doing it! This is what most people find. That's why meditation is difficult to master. The mind wants to run you, and it does not necessarily have your best interests at heart. No siree. (As you discover when you are depressed.) I've been dealing with that very problem for several weeks now.

Many people drink, take drugs, and so on, in a desperate attempt to escape the torture their own mind is putting them through. I was never inclined to do that. Substance abuse didn't appeal to me. I found other escapes...like typing on this forum, for example. It IS just an escape, and I know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:04 PM

"Negative thinking" is not a positive attribute.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:11 PM

It ain't an attribute at all, buster. It's a process. One that I usually manage to avoid, but I've had my negative moments. Some days I feel like a two-bit loser. When that happens I go to the local speakeasy and have a few drinks and ponder. Something usually turns up if ya keep your eyes open. One thing I have found that instantly cures depression: mortal danger. When someone is tryin' to kill me with a knife, a gun, or his bare hands, I find I get un-depressed real fast. I ain't got time for it. This is why some guys become soldiers of fortune, gun runners, boxers, that sort of thing. It ain't the money, it's the adrenalin. Keeps you from gettin' depressed for too long.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Beer
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:28 PM

Sorcha, I don't know if this is for you but you can certainly pass it on. "Stay away from negative people. They will bring you down".
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:34 PM

I once read that if we learned to listen to each other, psychiatry would be out of business.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:34 PM

And keep your communications aboveboard, complete, and straight with yourself.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: LadyJean
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:34 AM

My onetime housemate, Donald, was out of work. His wife dumped him for another man. He couldn't see his son. Then some jerk stole his greencard. Donald's therapist couldn't understand why he was depressed. Donald's therapist couldn't understand a whole lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:49 AM

Little Hawk, and here I thought, fer sure, you were going to reveal that SHATNER was the one and only spokesperson for a whole generation on that Bob Dylan thread. You feel his talents are only worthy of being a therapist??!!!! Of helping others express their own thoughts and feelings while keeping his own counsel? One on one behind closed doors, instead of enlightening the millions? Or do you see this as a platform for a series of self-help seminars and books to help others actualize their full potentials?

Elmer

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:25 AM

Littlehawk and others -

I agree and disagree. Most of the time, meditation, positive thinking and/or helping those less fortunate can help you out of difficult times but not always. Depression isn't the only reason to seek therapy. Sometimes its to help you understand your response to situations that are beyond your control.

I needed therapy once to help me recover my self-confidence after a violent incident.

Others might need therapy for reasons that you have never experienced.

I always thought that therapy was more trouble than it was worth. Finding time to present myself before a therapist was a hassle but my employer offers therapy by telephone. Thats right, "dial a therapist" if you must. They call you at an appointed time and discuss the issue with you on the phone. This worked well for me and I was back on the job in a week.

Sometimes you just don't want to bother your friends or family with all the gory details. A therapist can be a very convenient way of 'venting' without dumping your negativity on your loved ones. The therapist, at least, is objective or should be. They don't try to solve your problem but help you to find your own solution. Sometimes the solution is just a matter of time but its good not to let problems become so big that you can't find a way out.

In my situation, I'm sure my family and friends really didn't have the capacity to understand the situation I was in because it had absolutely nothing to do with them and I didn't want to bore them. A therapist just lets you talk your way through it. Hopefully you will arrive at a comfort zone and be able to get on with your life.

It beats alcohol and drugs and it may save your career.

If you are one of the lucky ones who have never needed help, bully for you but don't scorn those that honestly seek solutions to lifes many problems. A good therapist may dramatically improve the quality of your life.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:41 AM

Well said, dianavan. When the whole load is dumped at once we all need help.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:17 AM

Amos, ta...and LH, etc...thanks for nada. This is a REAL issue, and most of the above is just NOT fuuny now. Maybe you were trying to 'lighten th load' but you didn't. I have had real help from those who wanted to really help.

Shatner is a jerk fuk off. NOT a joke. Chongo is a persona of yours. Shut the F up. DON'T take the Scorch there. This is NOT a Fun and Games thread, Hawk. NOT EVEN. My daughter's LIFE is at stake here.

Go bug somebody else.

Sorry Joe..delete if you think necessary. Scorch is angry.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 04:17 AM

Sorry to hear of your family problem Sorcha, and I'm also sorry that some of the preceding posts upset you. However having said that I will add that as it is that serious this is the wrong place to be bringing it up. Remember the judgemental posts that were made in the wake of the marriage and subsequent break up that one of our Catters went through, [can't remember her name] I've also heard derogatory remarks about the personal life of a member of this forum from another member, and they'd never even met. Folks get so critical without reason, so I wouldn't give them the ammunition to fire back at me.
Hope it all gets sorted.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:18 AM

Two things. I would not trust an employer with the kknowledge of me that a therapist is supposed to gain, and I do not believe a work therapist is going to keep cinfidences. I wouldn't even trust an amployer with the knowledge that I wanted therapy - it gets you labelled as weak an unreliable.

Second, Chongo may have made a point in an insensitive way, but it still has some validity. My late wife had a complete nervous breakdown in her late teens, before I knew her, and she always said that going on the road (which she had also done) was a good therapy - when you are worrying about where your next meal is coming from, other things seem less important. But it could all backfire.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:07 AM

LH needs the maturational experience that a good therapist would provide him. Behaving like a nine year old when one is in one's late forties is not a good thing. I often feel sorry for the lad. Somehow, he has not matured. When I read his posts, I think of the Joanie Mitchell song from Hejira. "A strange boy is weaving...

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:31 AM

Going around with a bag over one's head, Guest, is also not mature.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:25 AM

Sorcha - I see. Well then, I sincerely apologize for my insensitivity to your problem and I will hereby cease and desist my unhelpful comments on your thread. But I WILL reply to the nameless Guest.

GUEST - You gotta be kidding. I HAVE had those "maturational experience(s) that a good (?) therapist would provide". Plenty of them. Let me see...I saw one when I was about 23 years old (I was depressed about a girl), and another 3 or 4 of them in my 40's, and another one in my 50's. My conclusions of their professional abilities were were...mixed. Some of them were pretty good, some not. They were all just fallible human beings, same as you or me or the next guy...and that should be borne in mind. Some of them really needed therapy, and some were GETTING it! What's good for the goose is good for the gander, isn't it?

As Ebbie said: "If we learned to listen to each other, psychiatry would be out of business." So true! Most people need a few true friends and loved ones whom they can really trust and talk to, but instead they pay some professional stranger $90 an hour to do it! Sad.

You know, most people who know me in real life think I'm a pretty serious guy. I run a small manufacturing company, have no debts, and have no bad habits. I don't drink, smoke, or do any drugs. I'm really healthy. I look surprisingly young for my age. I belong to no particular religion, but have spiritual beliefs. I am honest to a fault. I am totally harmless. I prefer non-violence, if at all possible. I believe in the healing power of forgiveness, although sometimes that's not easy! I seem to get along fine with former girlfriends (with the exception of one whom I deliberately avoid, because she's a bit of a psycho, and she lies like a rug, and plays really wicked mind games). (All her other former boyfriends avoid her too...I used to wonder why?...ha! Now I know.)

I come here, to this forum, mostly for three reasons:

1. a lifelong interest in folk music.

2. I have some friends here.

3. I can have some fun here. The fun is just joking around about things, telling stories, discussing philosophy or spirituality, and playing around with fictional characters like Chongo Chimp (which does no harm to anyone).

I do not agree at all with your superficial assessment of my character, and I think you are way off the beam in your assumptions about me. You'd make a lousy therapist.

Not that it really matters, because...who the fuck could care about what you or I say a year from now, anyway? Or even a week from now?

I think you are just taking yourself AND me a wee, wee bit too seriously!   (And Joni Mitchell? She's great. Very fine musician and songwriter. "My analyst told me, that I was right out of my head. I said, 'Dear Doctor, I think it's you, instead!'")

Sorcha - That's it. Just had to reply to the one who has no courage to post under a name here. And now...I'm outta here.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:41 AM

To any one with "head trouble" I would seriously recommend Cognitive Behaviour Therapy which is very practical, effective and once you get the basic idea you do for yourself.

Good Luck

PP

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:58 AM

Dear Richard
I have worked as a Therapist for 26 years and I have never broken a clients confidence once. I am retired now and all I know about people will die with me. Hope you never need one of us. We can be trusted.

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:35 PM

Sorry I got goofy on this thread too--my comments were inappropriate.

Most therapists are ethical, responsible, caring professionals. Some are more skilled than others, and, as in all professions, each have styles and personalities that are a better fit for some individuals more than others. I hope you find one who is right for you. The help of a good therapist is invaluable.

Elmer

Subject: RE: BS: Is there a Therapist/Psychiatrist here?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 10:08 AM

Just to bring this back to music even if it is a BS thread, I am reminded of the great line from the great song Doctor Freud, where the singer says something about complaining about all the loot he's paying to lie down on someone's couch and say confession!