BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!

Subject: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:41 PM

26% of Americans give thumbsup to Bush's disasterous domestic and foreign policies. 74% of Americans give a thumbsdown to Bush's disasterous domestic and foreign policies. We are all aware of the high crimes that the Bush Whitehouse has fostered. President Bush lied to the American people about the reasons to go to war He continues to lie to the American people. The time has come to impeach George Bush the war criminal.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:43 PM

George Bush is a war criminal but what does that make Cheney? Are you ready for President Cheney?

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,Mirrorball
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:53 PM

Egit, he may be: but war criminal?

Anyway PW, isn't the more important popularity poll the one he just recently won?

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:53 PM

Cheney is not a threat, He's a dead man.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:57 PM

When the Romans gave the thumbs up they were urging the winning gladiator to go and and kill the defeated one. People always seem to get this the wrong way round.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,Mirrorball
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 07:00 PM

Cheney is not a threat, He's a dead man.

Are you psychic or psychopathic?

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: frogprince
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 07:03 PM

26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsuck? Man, that must be an even bigger percent than sucked on Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 07:17 PM

That was so bad Frogprince. Bush is done, The days of the Bush thumbsup is over! We will take back America and you will like it.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 07:18 PM

Yeah, I'll give him a thumb up... heh heh heh... or something sharper!

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 07:57 PM

sorry, but being dumb and inept is not an impeachable offense....sadly...

Everything you could charge him with he can just deny

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 08:02 PM

Surely an impeachable offence is whatever Congress decides is an impeachable offence, and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 08:39 PM

Gee.....where's everybody demanding the sources on this gem of information?


Oh, I see....if whatever somebody says makes Bush look bad then it's got to be true?


Be consistent or shut up.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 08:42 PM

Bush doesn't need help looking bad.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 08:52 PM

"Be consistent or shut up."

Temper, temper. Be nice, now.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:08 PM

It is NOT 26%.

It's 28%. Sackcloth and ashes for you, Peter.

Hey, Hubby. Read the article. And have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: pdq
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:08 PM

The pollsters had to add "do you have mixed feelings" to the question in order to get the results they were looking for. Hell, I have mixed feelings about everything (and almost everyone!).

Here is the poll in question:

                Ipsos poll

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:25 PM

And here's the detail breakdown:

Details.

It's in pdf, so you'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:25 PM

In theory, at least, the three grounds for impeachment are misfeasance, malfeasance and non-feasance. One could make a good case for W batting a thousand.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Peace
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:31 PM

No matter how ya slice that onion, it still brings tears to the eys.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: pdq
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:35 PM

Then make onion rings, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:41 PM

Constitution, Article II, Section 4, regarding the removal of the President from office:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: pdq
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:55 PM

Sorry, but George W. Bush has only been convicted of malaprop-easance, punishable by one hour of listening to Art Thieme's puns.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:58 PM

Well, Hub, you remind me of an ol' Conway Twitty song... I can't rember the name of it but there's some verses in it I think maybe, even you can relate tO;

"Lord, she's allready stood more
Than I was even good good for
This time I've hurt her more
Than she loves me...

There's also a line in the song that goes:

" That last lie I told her was
the one she couldn't believe..."

Ahhhh, not to be tryin' to sound funny 'er nuthin', but how many lies does Bush have to tell you before you pull the plug???

Americans in droves are pullin' the plugs these days...

But, like a brainwashed "energizer bunny", you keep gobblin' up the Bush lies as if you needed them fir yer very existence???

Well, lotta of folks ain't buyin' his crap any more... And they ain't buyin' Karl Rove's crap anymore... Or Chneney' either...

6 Marines were killed in Iraq in the last 24 hours. How many Iraqis is unknown...

Like I said, folks is bailin' out yet you continue to sing the company fight song...

I respect yer determination but not yer ability to sift thru the the "last lie I told her was the one she couldn't believe"... Others, like yerself Bush-heads are startin' to figure it out, pal...

Maybe yer time is near...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 11:11 PM

Gee.....where's everybody demanding the sources on this gem of information?
Oh, I see....if whatever somebody says makes Bush look bad then it's got to be true?
Be consistent or shut up.


Do you have something that proves this information wrong?

I thought not.

Obfuscation and killing the messenger only work for so long, Hubby.

Bush is a war criminal. He is also The Ugly American personified.

I believe that in his lifetime, but probably after he leaves the presidency, that he will be shown to have criminal associations with some of the supporters and businesses that inspired wars and have made such obscene profits during his administration. He'll cut a deal and never serve a day in prison. But he is a criminal.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 11:19 PM

I don't know if Ramsey Clark wrote the folowing, but it does come from the impeachment movement in which he is involved. As one may see, it calls for the impeachment of Bush and his cronies, as well it should, imo:

Articles of Impeachment

of

President George W. Bush

and

Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and
Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from
Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and
Misdemeanors. - - ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H.
Rumsfeld, and Attorney General John David Ashcroft have committed violations and
subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with
impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights
of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial
executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those
reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law;
carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting
in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and
locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its
government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

4) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret
and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of
prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents
elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments
to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

5) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign
governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media
and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public
discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain
weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to
U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

6) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a
part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an
attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and
threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United
Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting
treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy
any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the
exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

7) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering
indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without
opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the
discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

8) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without
charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

9) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of
detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a
detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

10) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens
who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official,
prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

11) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have
been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in
response to Congressional inquiry.

12) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right
to public trials.

13) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the
government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not
been charged with a crime.

14) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to
hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary
designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

15) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by
federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and
political activity.

16) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional
right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

17) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of
the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without
consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the
United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome
which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 11:39 PM

If you read the poll, you find that the people with mixed feelings were asked to say yea or nay. They said nay--maybe even more now--I'm amazed at the bitter disappointment on the Right at Miers' appointment.

If Bush was going to reap the whirlwind, he could have at least picked Gonzales and possibly scored a few points with the fastest growing ethnic group.   I read in today's Wall St. Journal that Gonzales was in fact his first choice, (but he's evidently weak enough to let himself be talked out of it.) This is not reporting, just a column--but it described the Miers appointment as "Hurricane Harriet". The natives on the Right are indeed restless.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 11:59 PM

(chuckle)

Every dog has his day. Mr Bush has had his. Karl Rove has had his. We've got roughly 2 more years of misery and distress to go through (theoretically) as this US administration staggers drunkenly to its inevitable end, and history's judgement.

But what a shame that so many innocent people had to die so they could have their day.

And what other group of $1,000-suited scoundrels will ascend to the Oval Office when they are done? "We wonders, yes, we wonders," (to quote Gollum). It's a lot like watching the succession in the USSR Politburo used to be...will they be even worse next time...or marginally better than last time...or the same as usual? And who can do anything about it when the ruling system itself is morally and philosophically bankrupt?

Yes, we wonders...

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 12:03 AM

Of course, LH, there are some people who die just so they can have their day--and the 72 virgins that go with it. It is too bad that they were misinformed--it's just one 72-year old virgin. Ah, well.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 12:08 AM

Ha! Ha! By God, I hope that's not what I am rewarded with when I leave this mortal sideshow.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: M.Ted
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:46 AM

No doubt that things are a mess these days, but everything has gone where it was going, and no one should be surprised--my thought is that people voted for this, and now they don't like it--

Pete Woodruff should be completely delighted, instead of complaining--after all, unless things get better fast, there is going to be a huge backlash in the next election--of course, his claim that "we'll take America back" is dubious, when did you ever have America, Pete?

As for you, Martin, your comment didn't even make sense--work on it over the weekend, because I think it has potential--

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 02:40 AM

You can't really impeach Bush & Cheney, their drunk driving records are preventing them from being the next generation of taxi drivers. So they're at the wheel stearing our nation, they should be 12 stepping it to Bagdad.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 11:52 AM

More hard-over than ever, eh, Mister G?

I think in retrospect, once past the pale fog of his rampant illiteracy, history will have mixed reviews on Bush as the man who presided over the biggest swing toward Fascism in America since the House UnAmerican Activities Committee or the Comstock social purification movement. In every one of these historical peaks of obsessive control, free people were harmed and free communication was quashed.

It is possible, after the bodies are buried and their civil war is somehow spent, that Iraqis in general will be glad he sent the U.S. Marines in to establish democracy. I doubt they'll end up with democracy, in the end, but it is just possible. Whether that end justifies Bush's criminal means is really an argument that will never end. I think the man is wily but insane, myself. But I don't think we should let his machinery terrorize us.

A

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Janie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 12:45 PM

Well, it is nice to finally be part of the majority opinion about Bush and his administration, but...whoever comes after him is likely to be just as big a train wreck, no matter the Party or where they fall on the liberal/conservative continuum.
    I don't believe it is possible to accumulate the power to get elected to a major office in this country and maintain any real integrity. After reading the Pentagon Papers, I believe it is likely that every administration in the 20th century (and probably the 19th also,)have committed significant criminal acts. And we Americans are so gullible and self-righteous that we are extremely easy to manipulate. Our press is even easier to manipulate...happy to report sound bites, and unwilling to do the research necessary to evaluate the statements of the pol's.

"Lord, preserve us and protect us
We been drinkin' whiskey for breakfast"

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: gnu
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 08:04 PM

Gosh... Amos summed it up IMO... he said: "It is possible, after the bodies are buried and their civil war is somehow spent, that Iraqis in general will be glad he sent the U.S. Marines in to establish democracy. I doubt they'll end up with democracy, in the end, but it is just possible. Whether that end justifies Bush's criminal means is really an argument that will never end."

Isn't that the long range, strategic plan? Not just Iraq, the entire region... democracy for all? Freedom for all? No matter the cost? No matter how criminal... which, of course, is subjective.

Just pondering.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 08:33 PM

No, pdq...

You are very much mistaken... Only a true believer would still hold onto that lousy excuse fir invading Iraq...

George Bush couldn't give a rat's ass about democracy 'er he wouldn't have had his lawyers and goons descend on Florida in 2000...

Yeah, exactly why do you think he has had a change of heart since then???

And since you seem to love stats, maybe you'd like to find and share then sats of how much Bush spent on laywers, compared to Gore, in Florida in 2000... Or goons....

And please don't give us some right wingnut web site as yer source...

Make it at least half credible...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: pdq
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 08:39 PM

Bobert,

What the fuck are you talking about. I have made no post here that even resembles your attack. You should try reading the thread first.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 09:38 PM

You are entirely correct, pdq....

And I apologize with every molicule in my body...

I think I am runnin' on the ragged edge here, am vacationed out, played a gig today that about kilt me and now bein' victimized be hallucinations...

Used to be that I'd work hard and eat any disgustin' stuff to get to where I'm at... Now adays all I gotta do is work too hard???

My apologies... I am sorry, Iam sorry, I am sorry...

Yes, I am a fuck up tonight and reserve to be a fuck up again on some future night but fir this one in particular...

Forgive my rather messed up self....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: pdq
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 09:48 PM

Be well. I mean that.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 08:41 AM

Janie--

That sounds like it's from a song. Sounds very promising. Can you give us the rest and who did it?

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 09:01 AM

The light is starting to dawn on everyone.

IT is as simple as watching Bush change a light bulb.
Even if it takes 10 to do it.


1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed,

2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed,

3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb,

4. One to tell the nations of the world that they are either for changing the light bulb or for darkness,

5. One to give a billion dollar no-bid contract to Haliburton for the new light bulb,

6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a step ladder under the banner: " Light bulb Change Accomplished".

7. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark,

8. One to viciously smear #7,

9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all along,

10. And finally one to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 09:10 AM

That's excellent, Donuel--is it yours?

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 09:17 AM

No it is not mine. I found it without any authorship assigned.
I bet it is a Daily Show gem.

It really sums things up, albeit antisepticly without the true cost in blood..

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 11:14 AM

Yeah, Bobert, I know what ya mean. I just read this thread title as "26% of Americans call Bush a thumbsuck!"

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Janie
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 12:31 PM

Ron--It is a trad. song and is in the DT. "Whiskey Before Breakfast"

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 04:55 PM

I was afraid of that--knew I should have checked the DT before asking any music question. Oh well, live and learn. Thanks anyway.

Somehow I just thought Whiskey Before Breakfast was just an instrumental.

Subject: RE: BS: 26% of Americans give Bush a thumbsup!
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 09:56 AM

Whiskey before breakfast certainly IS instrumental....