Catholic Priest clears his chest

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 12:21 PM

Poor old tosser. I hate it when old soldiers can only talk about their war. Well during the war ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
The Republicans including the IRA hav moved on. On and up it would appear with a great poll every election.
And all this old gut can do is try to wriggle out of a remark he made about slapping about some Irish guys. Great hero.Hope he's not typical of a British soldier.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 12:52 PM

Well just back from a nice break on Achill Island in County Mayo. Very nice may I add. Did I miss anything ?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Alex "blew-out Higgins
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 01:47 PM

Teribus just back from a nice break on the snooker table, hope you are still taking the tablets.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 01:51 PM

a spirited discussion amongst the unnamed

somebody said they didn't like the IRA

someone else said they didn't like the other lot

disagreement about what the other lot were called

usual sort of thing, and the Moonlight in Mayo?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 01:54 PM

weelittledrummer Please don't mention moonlight in front of one of the above posters, especaily the full moon

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 01:59 PM

I see one of the writers on this thread is unaware of Balhams location, it is a pleasant little hamlet on the Northern Line in London, I feel so insulted that the writer didn`t know.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 04:40 PM

well its as good as any of the other things to have an argument about

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Peace
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 04:45 PM

I don't think there can be much argument about where Balham is located:

Balham is a neighbourhood in South London. That's from Wikipedia (or Wikipaedia) if yer from Balham.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 06:21 PM

Just reading over Teribus's most recent post and it brought a question to my mind. He quoted a statement he made previously and was speaking of the PIRA I believe when he wrote of how they "opportunistically jumped into an improving situation and succeeded in making it worse in order to further their own interests politically and financially."

With the recent events in the North of Ireland (an end called to the Republican war, PIRA decommissioning) it seems that the PIRA, through the period of their struggle against occupation and to their recent laying down of arms, have actually made things better for the North, at least for those interested in seeing the removal of British troops. I say this because their (PIRA) actions have, in turn, prompted the British and Irish governments into action. Despite their signing of the GFA, it is really the first time that either government has begun to move toward upholding their ends of the agreement. And now troops are being pulled out, spy towers are coming down, and a new North is emerging. But, I suppose some don't see it the way I do. So, was the PIRA's presence in the North responsible or not for the new turn of events?

I would be interested in hearing the views on that idea. Please, though, if we could keep the swearing down to a minimum, I would appreciate it :).

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 06:57 PM

E,

I think Terribus has his point of view.

I think you have your point of view.

I doubt if you will agree

like the Blessed Bob said

You're right from your side
i'm right from mine
we're just one too many mornings and a thousand miles behind

From having seen quite a few of these threads I should think the people who agree with you will think you're probably right.

I shouldn't count on the support of absolutely everybody.

all the best

al

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Epona
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 07:02 PM

That's a great statement:
you're right from your side, I'm right from mine....

I realize that some may agree and some won't, but what I want is the reasons behind the opinions, the facts or ideas that formed those opinions. :)

E

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Peace
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 07:08 PM

Great song. Sang it for years. Not that it matters.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 07:11 PM

well that's the bit where everybody goes into John MacEnroe mode.

The facts are disputed - as you will probably have guessed. Plus they can presented in very inflammatory ways.

Basically we've all got to try and behave a bit better in the future, and hope for the best.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 01:43 AM

GUEST, GUEST Fiolaris and Divid Sweeney - Now 55 Posts have been made to this thread since you were requested to substantiate a claim you made against me - having trouble with 'cut and paste'? You are obviously not having any trouble typing. Or perhaps the real reason the reference to this supposed post of mine has not been furnished is that it simply does not exist - like so many of your arguements based on complete and utter figments of your imagination.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:07 AM

Must be a virus in my computer, this pop up keeps appearing ranting and raving everytime I visit this site. Ah well must do a scan and see can I quaritine it. Nasty little things aren't they.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 05:16 AM

Dear Teri
(can I call you that?)

look at it this way
buggered if I'm counting back 55

he thinks something happened
you don't

lifes like that sometimes
so is history - look at the kennedy assasination - nobody agrees with anything about that

whatever happened in the past, we have to be nice to each other in the future

either that or avoid those people whose vision of the world is unacceptable to you

you won't avoid these people on this sort of thread

take care mate!

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 06:13 AM

"What goes around, comes around"...Ake

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 09:16 AM

A question for you wld, is it really that outlandish to ask for some proof of these allegations? Would you agree that to do so would be extremely simple.

I begin to believe that all three are one in the same person. I know they will not provide such a reference to any post of mine because it does not exist. Apart from which I can say with absolute certainty that I have never interrogated anyone in my life so it would be very hard for me to have - how did they put it - "made them squeal like pigs" because of the way I treated them.

We have already seen on this thread that Divis Sweeney is a bare-faced liar, like most who espouse the cause of the paramilitaries in Northern Ireland.

Divis Sweeney - PM
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 06:46 PM

"Having read your previous posts on this site .... and your idol boasts of your treatment of suspected members of the Provisional IRA I do not recognise you or your silly posts."

GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:49 PM

Teribus ..... I see you boasted that you made IRA men squeal like pigs, do you feel proud of this?

GUEST,Fiolaris - PM
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 03:27 PM

Teribus,
I also remember you making that remark, must search through posts. You remarked that when you were dealing with IRA you made them squeal.

GUEST; GUEST FIOLARIS; DIVIS SWEENEY - Proof please - come along chaps you've had damn near a week. You've reportedly been pm'ing it around to yourself, although exactly how that could have been done to an unnamed Guest on this forum I do not know, but it must be a hell of a lot harder than just pasting and copying it to this site for everybody to read.

Gentlemen - You Lie Like Pigs in Shit - this I believe is an insult to pigs who are honourable creatures - you lot, on the other hand are not.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 10:52 AM

One can always go to the advanced super search of Mudcat and find easily within a few seconds whether there has been a post with the words 'IRA' and 'squeal' in it, before the last few days.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 10:59 AM

Bloody virus seems to be back on my computer. So much for a good firewall.Oh how I remember those days when I was told to stand up against a wall here in Belfast and answer questions regarding my daily movements to a British soldier.Questions question questions. Funny how some people just can't seem to move on. It's said that fixations can lead to Paranoia. On the other hand it's also said that productive dialogue with the British government can lead to self-determination in local government. I would feel for the largest nationalist voice in North of Ireland politics that would be moving on. Must get this virus scan up and running after I enjoy this bacon sandwich.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 11:05 AM

Try the Iraqi threads from last year...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 11:14 AM

News as of 15 Jan 05 ALERT: The recent mudcat problems are due to adware installed on Mudcat user's computer, specifically something called FunWebProducts. There is an article about it here (click). Apparently it's driving Web Masters crazy all over the world. I encourage everyone to download and run Spybot to rid your computer of this, and probably hundreds more adware and spyware software. ... [more]
Just saw this on forum page.
Hope this cures my computer of this blooding annoying virus.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 11:22 AM

The supersearch facility does not reveal the word 'squeal' in any posts at all. Time to apologise then eh Divis?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 12:06 PM

Another virus

Subject: RE: BS: Politics only posters on Cat
From: flamenco ted - PM
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:27 AM

Divis,
      You are one of the main pro IRA muck spreaders! When you and your ilk join ANY thread, I stop posting to it. Enjoy the rest of this thread, I'm gone.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 12:12 PM

Divis. You were wrong. Admit it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 12:20 PM

I found it ages ago, ted though not in exactly verbatim, but I couldn't give a toss, neither, as it happens.

The pride of Hamish Smith never won anything in my country by his antics.
We, however did.
In his.
By ours.

Both of us are alive to tell the tale.
Both of us can justify our actions to ourselves.

Who is right?

Not him

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 12:24 PM

"You have got me completely wrong Den
I was not celebrating your silence, but trying to encourage you to tear into Terribus in debate."

We hadn't, though, Keith.
You are a voyeur; a hurler on the ditch.
A holder of coats.

You probably have Joe 90 glasses as well

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 01:02 PM

annoying viruses

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 01:25 PM

Blurred View
(... as opposed to 'Bird Flu'...)

;-)

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 02:16 PM

It would appear there is a problem the fact Republicans such as myself visit this site. As for those who wish to attack the Provisional Irish Republican Army, no problem go for it. Call them names, be selective on active service unit operations or rattle on about the role of the British army. Really means little to me that a few guys dislike our men. Yes I could go on about British army murders of Volunteers and innocent civilians, but why ? The leadership stood all units down in July after a long ceasefire. What do you want here, the units to resume military operations and select targets ? I am proud beyond words of the role of the Volunteers in my country. Young men who answered the call when required to do so.It was the British government who called our leadership to the table, not the other way round. Now the leadership has embraced a political role with the full backing of all chiefs of staff, O.C's and Volunteers.There was a full year of consultation at ground level. Really what is the problem with you guys ? If you can't accept Republicans in pursuance of self determination go cry to your government, it was them that came to us.We here in Ireland are glad to see young people getting on with normal lives and an end to ALL KILLINGS by ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED.
And if you wish to continue to call me all kinds of Republican related names, go for it. Because I will never forget I'm a proud Irishman. Get it with people, peace is here to stay and I am the first to embrace it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 02:48 PM

From Feakle to Hillsborough...

It is how history gets re-written, Divis, and precisely the reason why the British Establishment are forever doomed to repeat their mistakes.

The sooner decent people test the bounds of the logical fallacies their leaders and their apologists present to them, the sooner decent people wont feel the need to take up arms against their ruling class.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 03:34 PM

Subject: RE: BS: It is TORTURE not 'abuse'!!!
From: GUEST,Teribus - PM
Date: 11 May 04 - 11:22 AM

Jim McCallan 10 May 04 - 07:17 PM

"Salman Pak was in the Southern No Fly Zone, and could have been taken out at any time, over a number of years"

Salman Pak, last time I looked was North of the 33rd parallel, therefore outside the Southern No-Fly Zone.

As to the question asked a little bit earlier on:

"how would YOU get the information you needed? What is an acceptable way of gaining intelligence?"

How about:
- Remove watch, or any other means of referencing time
- Completely dark room
- Complete and utter silence

Place person to be interrogated under the above circumstances for approximately 3 - 6 hours, then just sit him down and talk to him quietly and rationally - it's amazing how effective it is.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,#2
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:06 PM

... who here remembers Steaknife?...

Hint.
Hint.

Nice try Guest.
Wrong Straw Man...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tìr Chonaill
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:12 PM

I'm enjoying this!

Like pulling teeth Teribus, eh?

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tìr Chonaill
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:17 PM

... I'll tell you this, though, Bertrand...
You'd fall at the first fence under cross-questioning...

Hell, put you in a dark room, and you'd forget your way out...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:20 PM

Dear Teri

I just think you're flogging a dead horse mate.

these people have made their minds up about this issue. as far as they are concerned it is an ex-issue. they have the version of the truth with which they are going to ride off into the sunset very happily.

Like i say I'm not going back fifty odd letters to find out what it is that worries you.

But lets suppose you are advancing the theory that Ian Paisley was Eamon DeValera's lovechild.

your DNA samples are wasted on these guys

trust me on this one. I have seen several threads like this before.

we all think differently. we all have to try t be nice to each other.

If you continue in this vein, you will upset yourself.

best wishes to all

al

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tìr Chonaill
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:38 PM

I think the idea is to try and make you think differently, wld.

It furthers nobodys future if the citizens if the oppressor do not demand more of their leaders.

The secret to harmonious living lie in the destruction of some of the old notions.
One being in particular, that the Irish are somehow second-rate civilians who do not bleed if you cut them.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 04:51 PM

some people think jesus died for us

some people think an Islamic republic is the way

you can produce arguments til you're blue in the face, but sadly there are some issues you won't change peoples minds about. or maybe not even sadly, who knows occasionally the other bloke is right.

we differ in our opinions

but we still have to get on, co-exist - be respectful of each other.   as much as is possible.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tìr Chonaill
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 05:13 PM

Not condoning the disgraceful way Ireland has been treated at the hands of the British over the years, transcends much more than mere opinion, wld.

The Nationalist population of the north of Ireland have been trying to co-exist with the Unionist population ever since the state's inception.
We are not a bitter people.

But for God's sake, don't discount us.
Respect will come in its time, no doubt.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,A Red Hander
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 07:34 PM

Have you ever heard such hypocrisy, an Englishman telling the Irish how to live ? Pull your head out of your ass because we are not having it. You may be a proud Englishman, as I am a proud Northern Unionist, but other world counties will never admire you, after all what have you done for the Ulsterman ? Nothing left us and closed our industry down and forgotten it's inhabitants. "We here in Ireland are glad to see young people getting on with normal lives and an end to ALL KILLINGS by ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED". But we held faith in our government and it simply walked away. It's so hard to swallow.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 09:15 PM

well you're right of course i wouldn't attempt to tell you how to live.

Just was commenting that having read several of these threads, I don't think our friend is likely to persuade anybody from the opposite side of the fence that his cause is just and true - whatever the facts of any matter.

As you say my head is probably up my ass, something certainly stinks.

I'll just leave you skilled debaters to it.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: ard mhacha
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 05:04 AM

Red Hander, It is your belief that having an armed militia, marching Orangemen through districts that despised their presence,being in total control of all sections of the law,making sure that jobs were dished out on a,`first Prod come first Prod served ` basis, and wholesale gerrymandering, was that the best you could offer to during your 50 years of office.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 05:36 AM

Firstly Red Hander that insulting remark was uncalled for. The man only made an observation without prejudice.This is not the North of Ireland as it was in the 1930's. If industry can't keep it's head above water, it goes down. Yes the British government poured money into the likes of the Shipyard, mackie's and shortts while other long established industries in other parts of Britain closed down.As above states, you did have a lot your own way and now we are moving towards a level playing ground and that's the part you can't accept.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tìr Chonaill
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 11:09 AM

... Friend of mine, having a quiet pint in a pub in Milan last week is overheard chatting to the bar man, by a guy who is sitting with his wife further on down the bar.

Guy comes up to my friend, London accents akimbo.
"Whereabouts are you from mate"?, he asks.
"County Derry" says my man.
"Oh..., I did a couple of tours in your country", says Magnanimous Fred
"Yeah?", says my mate. "I did a couple of tours in yours"

Now can anyone tell me why the conversation ended there?
... when they all seemed to be getting along so well...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 11:54 AM

I don't believe a single word of that last smug little post.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tìr Chonaill
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 12:23 PM

It happened, Ted.

I've had shit like that thrown at me too...
I've had my share of strange squaddie types since the Ceasefire telling me they've been over here.

Hell, if its going to be a topic of conversation, why make it one way, I always say.

The north of Ireland Nationalist gets told information like that which my friend (and I on ocassion) was privvy to.

Whether it be genuine ignorance on the part of the ex-squaddie, or genuine hostility, it should make no matter.

What kind of good conversations start when the topic is 'I did a couple of tours there', as opposed to 'How do you fancy Chelsea'a chances this season'

I actually can't believe that you don't believe a word of that last post of mine, ted.

Craic like that happens all the time...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 12:28 PM

weelittledrummer would still like to read your posts, don't allow that braindead red hander to badger of the thread, I doubt it was you he was aiming at anyway.At least he thought my post reasonable enough to lift phrases out of.

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,TÌr Chonaill
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 12:34 PM

Funny thing was, is that my friend is a musician, and has toured England many times...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 12:56 PM

The sentiment is farily typical however Divis, don't you think?

The last one to acknowlege the water is the fish...

Subject: RE: Catholic Priest clears his chest
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 12:59 PM

I'm talking about Red Hander's sentiment....
though the squaddie could fit there also...