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Subject: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Peace Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:21 AM if there is, what it would be like. One of the 'warmest' memories I have--get yer mind OUT of the gutter--involved doing my best to stay up late at my grandparent's place, which was just downstairs from the apartment (it was called a flat in those days) my mother rented. Anyway, staying awake until "God Save the Queen" came on was the challenge. That was the sign-off for CBC in Montreal in the early days of television. There was something special about the couch I slept on and just being in the same place with my grandparents. Any of you have any 'experiences' like that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Peace Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:23 AM I don't think I said the above as well as I should have, but it's all the way done now. G'night to y'all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Kaleea Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:29 AM When I spent the night with my father's parents as a child, I loved to sit at my Granny's vanity type dresser & try on her jewelry, high heels, pegnoir sets & generally primp. It was quite exciting for a little girl back in them thar olden days. Sometimes I even stayed up & watched the late night movie & then the Star Spangled Banner, or even the footage of the blue angels juxtaposed to Music as the announcer ended with, ". . .and touch the face of God." I don't remember the whole reading anymore. It always gave me pause. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Peace Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:33 AM High Flight (An Airman's Ecstasy) - John Gillespie Magee Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of; wheeled and soared and swung High in the sun-lit silence. Hovering there I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air; Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace, Where never lark nor even eagle flew; And while, with silent lifting mind I've trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. Maybe that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: alanabit Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:36 AM It has to be a state of mind rather than a time or a place. I think in my case it could be getting back from boarding school in the knowledge that I would never have to return. Nowadays it is more along the lines of being welcomed home by my children or cuddling one of them to sleep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Paul Burke Date: 07 Nov 05 - 03:51 AM "Women are the only heaven. Marriage is the only hell." From Leon Rosselson's 'Abiezer Coppe'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: akenaton Date: 07 Nov 05 - 04:09 AM You said it beautifully Bruce!! I know exactly what you mean, the relationship you describe can be warm and spiritual, and live with you all you're life..Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 07 Nov 05 - 08:43 AM "Well, I ain't been to heaven but I been told The streets up there are lined with gold I ain't been to Hell but from what I hear It can get mighty hot down there So you better mind your manners, watch your P's and Q's 'Cause you don't know when God's watching you And Just because you like to do it, that don't make it right From That Don't Make It Right, by Jerry Rasmussen Heaven is far more beautiful than the earthly mind can conceive. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: wysiwyg Date: 07 Nov 05 - 08:53 AM I believe that each day, we get the choice and the chance to decide for ourselves, whether we shall spend that day in heaven, or in hell.... that in the viewpoint we choose to take for the day (or the moment), we put ourselves in either heaven or hell. So-- if I wake up mad at the world, firm in my conviction of being its victim, and blame others for what I have probably set in motion my own self-- then I'll be enjoying all the comforts of hell, on that day. If I decide to shift my view to the positive side of what is going on around me and within me-- well, then I've set my feet in heaven. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Dave Earl Date: 07 Nov 05 - 09:03 AM Heaven's a bar down by the dock, Where the liquor is free, They keep a great stock There's alway a place always smile For a sailor come home from the sea |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: bobad Date: 07 Nov 05 - 11:54 AM Bruce Your post summoned up similar memories from my childhood and my relationship with my grandparents. I too was fortunate to have them living next door in an attached house as I was growing up. I also had a special relationship with my grandfather and we would always do things together, like getting on a bus of a Saturday morning and going to the Atwater market to do some shopping and being treated to french fries at the snack bar there.Sleeping over at their house was a special treat as my granny was a great cook and I would be plied with all sorts of homemade donuts,cookies and cakes. If anything comes close to heaven on earth, it is being wrapped in the spiritual warmth of a grandparent's unconditional love and folks like us are lucky to have had this experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: number 6 Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:10 PM Heaven for me are the experiences I'm now having on earth. My wife and I taking the dogs for a walk through our neighbourhood. Sitting by the fire after supper with my coffee. Sunday afternoon drives with my wife somewhere down along the coast. Having one of those exceptional jams with my guitar. blustery November Days. Being with my grandson, seeing him laugh. These little things are heaven for me. Life is grand, I guess I'm a very lucky person. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:25 PM I think heaven is mostly a state of mind...a level of consciousness. When one is filled with peace, love, and joy one is in heaven, regardless of where one is. We all have had moments like that back in childhood, and probably a few since. I remember falling asleep in the back of my parents' car on long trips at night. That was a lovely feeling. I remember moments of heaven with lovers and friends or just out in nature when everything seemed absolutely perfect. It was my own complete acceptance of reality at those moments that made the experience heavenly. One could theoretically feel that way all the time, if one totally accepted the present moment. That, in fact, is what is involved in the quest for enlightenment...exactly that state of mind where one is totally accepting of reality in every moment, regardless of outer conditions. It's possible to achieve that, but very few people ever do. I've been around one or two who have achieved it, and the benefits that it has added to their lives and their personalities go beyond measure. Because of observing that I know it's possible. Quite aside from that, there are reputedly numerous heavenly regions or dimensions in what could be called the Astral Worlds...which are not physical worlds but mental dimensions. You can go there in dreams, you can also go there as a spirit (after physical death). They are indeed, as Jerry says, beyond the conception of the Earthly mind...if the stuff I've read about them is true. ;-) Whether it is true or not, however, no one here can prove one way or another. There are also reputedly many hellish regions in the Astral Worlds, as well as more mundane regions...as there is a "place" for absolutely every form of mental/emotional consciousness there. If you are bored...there's a boring place. If you're scared...there's a frightening place. If you're depressed...there's a depressing place. If you're amused...there's an amusing place. And so on...ad infinitum. Anything the mind can come up with, it can have. God is generous that way. My advice is: come up with something loving, peaceful, joyful, and inspired! It "beats hell" out of being scared, bitter, or depressed. Quite literally, in fact. You get exactly what you have decided to get in your own mind...what you think you deserve, and specially what you choose to project onto other people. It bounces right back at you. That's why it suggests in Christ's teachings not to judge others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:30 PM *instant image of sitting in a wooden rocking chair with a blanket tucked in around me, and my mother bringing me hot chocolate* I even know where that was. Grests Tourist Court, on the Airline Highway, outside New Orleans, 1945. Heaven? It was close, for a 6 year old. Then as an adult, climbing up a trail above Juneau, Alaska till I was above the tree line, with spotty snow on surrounding mountains, and taking off my clothes, damp from climbing thru the trees, and sitting there in warm sun, surrounded by that scene while my clothes dried. The day we moved into this house was early in May, and the azaleas were in full bloom, and I took a chair and sat on the back porch and stared at the trees & flowers an just contemplated my new home. I don't think streets paved with gold could compete with those....or many others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:35 PM Beautiful examples, Bill. Those are moments of what I think the Buddhists call "satori". Blissful acceptance of reality just as it is. That's as good as life gets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Tannywheeler Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:04 PM The simple part of the answer is: YES!!!! The slightly complicated part of the answer: It involves GRANDCHILDREN. You have to go through the preliminaries.... and along the way you meet people like Bill D. and Ferrara, and KT, and Leadfingers, and....Proof of God, and one of Heaven's front gardens. But, yeah--it's like love--process and attitude, not geography. Like Wizzywig said. Tw |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:16 PM Let me submit the possibility that the question should be rephrased to "I wonder if I am a heaven...". It is completely understandable to paint these pictures of our warmest and best human experiences. But how did we come to experience them? Someone famous once said that this Kingdom was within you... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Tannywheeler Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:21 PM Someone famous, hunh Amos? And that person's claim to fame was--oops--that's another thread?? (But His Dad's more famous than my dad.) Tw |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:25 PM If there was a heaven, I'd trade it for a better life in the here and now for everyone |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: number 6 Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:26 PM "Someone famous once said that this Kingdom was within you..." .. exactly Amos. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:41 PM Camp Ramblewood where the last few Getaways have been held, for those few who have not been there, is an expanse of grassy slopes with red buildings tucked in here and there. Lots of trees and lots of open spaces. As I walked with Micca toward one of the many destinations (where each direction is uphill), the sun was shining and the air was warm, the grass was green and soft and there was music to the right and to the left and behind us and we were wending our way to even more music. Micca said, I like to think this is what heaven is like. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 05 - 02:45 PM This tells me that Micca is a lot like Ramblewood, except for the all directions being uphill part! :D A |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Nov 05 - 03:00 PM Wasn't it Bob Dylan who said that, Amos? (only kidding!) ;-) You are absolutely right in what you say. "I wonder if I am a heaven...?" And if not, what can I do about that right here and now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 05 - 03:10 PM "... what can I do about that right here and now?" Exercise? Hide under the covers? ☺ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Nov 05 - 05:52 PM In your case, Bill, that just might work! Try combining the two for maximum effect. ;-) My dachshund's idea of heaven is all the food he can eat...RIGHT NOW!!! Top quality stuff too, like steak or roast, but really almost anything will do in a pinch. Specially if it belongs to one of the other dogs. Stolen food tastes better when you're a dachshund. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: GUEST,Darlodave Date: 02 Mar 11 - 04:45 AM Re Dave Earls thread above, can someone provide the full words and chords please. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 02 Mar 11 - 06:49 AM The Big Rock Candy Mountain perhaps? Some Muslims believe that several alluring virgins await the successful candidate in Paradise. My dear friend Pat envisages being reunited with her late husband. I wonder if we shall recognise other spirits there? I'd like to see again all the cats I've loved and lost, and be greeted with a nice cup of tea and unlimited piles of liquorice (my secret sin) Seriously though, I suspect that it will be so completely different to Earth that it's impossible to describe it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 02 Mar 11 - 06:55 AM At the moment all I can see are people and things that are hell-bent (pardon the phrase) on making some people's lives a living hell. On the otherhand I am in no rush to find out if there is a heaven or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 02 Mar 11 - 06:59 AM Agreed Patsy! Let's wait a bit to find out! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Ed T Date: 02 Mar 11 - 07:23 AM A few years ago, I had a special experience on a jet, returning home from a business trip. I normally do not plug in the inflight audio, but for some reason did on that voyage. I clicked on relaxation recording and had a pleasent experience. The person in the recording requested listeners to recall a special moment and place. For some odd reason, I recalled a walk to an isolated beach during my childhood, that I never returned to again. The audio went through a number of prompts, like focusing on the sounds, the sights for about 15 minutes. It was really relaxing, much like a "heavenly" experience. What surprised me is I did not even know that the place and event was special to my memory. I did not get the name of the audio production. But, did check around to purchase a copy, without success. I suspect there are many such relaxation products out there. But, this one worked for me, at that time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Ed T Date: 02 Mar 11 - 07:24 AM The first time I saw the Rocvky Mountains, I got a "natural rush". That seemed like a heavenly experience to me, though brief. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: jacqui.c Date: 02 Mar 11 - 07:38 AM Staying with my grandparents and hearing the chimes of their Westminster clock as I drifted off to sleep. Spending time with my children and grandchildren. Sharing a meal and conversation with good friends. Sharing music with like minded souls and hearing the harmonies that can come up from a group of music loving people. Mostly, knowing that I am loved, just about unconditionally, by the person that I love. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 02 Mar 11 - 08:01 AM Darlo posso io, see your other thread. Five years old BS can be inspiring. Here is my response to the original poster: I wonder if there's heaven, |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: wysiwyg Date: 02 Mar 11 - 09:27 AM These songs have been my dark-winter glimpse of brighter skies: There Is A Kingdom Coming - Brian Free & Assurance Greatly Blessed, Highly Favored - GVB I Know I Love You - Easters Heart O' Mine - Dallas Holm Jesus Will Pick You Up - Brian Free & Assurance Jonah, Job & Moses - Oak Ridge Boys Breathe Deep - Guy Penrod Please Forgive Me - Jason Crabb He Is Here - GVB Yahweh - Isaacs A Little More Time - Marty Stuart God Bless Us All - Brucie Weil - 1953 Come Into the House of the Lord - Marty Stuart Get Up Out of That Ground - Marty Stuart God On The Mountain - Lynda Randle God's Counting on Me, God's Counting on You - Pete Seeger Gospel Story of Noah's Ark - Marty Stuart He is Here - GVB Hear The Voice Of My Beloved - Cynthia Clawson I've Come Too Far - Isaacs Move Along Train - Marty Stuart Gods River Blues He's My Secret Passion I'll Remember You Love In My Prayers (AKA Curtains of Night ) - P.J. Murrihy & Seamus Shannon Rainbow at the End of Every Storm I Need Thee Every Hour - Randy Owen Ready to Leave Till I'm Too Old to Die Young Way Down in the Bottom of Your Heart - Marty Stuart We Are So Blessed - GVB Without You Holding My Hand - Marty Stuart Yes, I Know - GVB When Zephyrs Of Heaven Shall Fan Me To Sleep The Old Church Yard - Larry Sparks He's Everything To Me- Larry Sparks I've Just Seen The Rock Of Ages- Larry Sparks The Testing Times- Larry Sparks Everything's Alright- Larry Sparks Family Bible- Larry Sparks Senorita- Larry Sparks Rivers Of Babylon - Gaither You're My Best Friend - Gaither Peace Be Still - Candy Christmas Climbing up the Mountain - Doyle Lawson & Quicksilver I Heard It First On The Radio - Gaither Vocal Band I Need You More Today - Easters I'd Rather Have Jesus If I Can Help Somebody - JD Sumner I Know Where I Am Now - Jake Hess Born To Climb - Easters The Broken Ones - Talleys I was surprised to find many of the lyrics right here at Mudcat. Samples can be found via Google-- Hardi and I're working them into our Saturdays. :~) ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: gnu Date: 02 Mar 11 - 03:06 PM Maybe not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Janie Date: 02 Mar 11 - 07:03 PM I stopped wondering if there is a heaven when I stopped fearing there is a hell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Bobert Date: 02 Mar 11 - 07:34 PM I donno... I mean, I kinda think of life as a capital "T" and the top part is like "Heaven/God/Goodness/Love" and the part below is our descent to earthly beings and if we live correctly and are pro-human and don't block up the "express lanes" with 25 things when it plainly says "10 items" then when we die our spirit goes back up and rejoins the top of the "T"... Now, fir those folks who did sneak 25 items thru??? I donno??? But that's why I don't do dumb stuff because I don't want to find out about the other direction... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Bill D Date: 02 Mar 11 - 07:51 PM What Janey said...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: gnu Date: 02 Mar 11 - 08:09 PM Oh, there is a hell. And if you don't lead a "good" life you will end up in hell... before you die. And if you do, you will be in hell for eternity in a manner of speaking. (That's the catch that the clergy don't tell the sheep about until they are in that hell and that's when they tell their "flock" that they can buy their way out by giving the shepherds their money. That's not the cat out of the bag by a long shot is it? Everyone knows those cats, no? People don't actually give them money to get repentence... do they?) Sorry for the tone but there really is a hell. Heaven could be the opposite I suppose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Mar 11 - 08:32 PM When I read the first message in the thread, I remembered when my sister and I took the Detroit city bus to my grandmother's house, five miles away from our home - I was eight and my sister was six. We'd go downtown shopping, and then we'd stay overnight at Grandma's. I remember the comforting tick-tick-tick of her dimestore Big Ben alarm clock. Every time I hear one of those clocks, I remember Grandma and those wonderful visits. She was a woman who was full of joy and love. I think that heaven will have those alarm clocks - and lots of grandmas like mine. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Amos Date: 02 Mar 11 - 08:39 PM But the alarms won't be set, because you get to sleep in if you prefer.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Janie Date: 02 Mar 11 - 08:59 PM *sigh*....Bill, Bill, Bill...it's Janie. You spell like you're from Kansas or something. On the other hand, "A rose by any other name....;>) Comfort and Safety. Bliss. I've certainly had more than my fair share of those moments and times in my own life. If that is what heaven be, then I have had the good fortune to have often visited. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 02 Mar 11 - 09:09 PM Oral Roberts preached that the wealthy could ride a camel right through the eye of the needle as long as they paid a tithe to the Lord. Of course he was the Lords chosen tithe collector. Keep sending in that cash folks! To spend eternity with him for a neighbour would quickly turn Heaven into Hell! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Micca Date: 02 Mar 11 - 10:05 PM This gave me much food for thought today, I am with the satori, moments of bliss, loss of self school of the early posts but what astounded me in my refelctions was how many of the more recent "moments" included mudcatters!!! and Music. The important elements seem to be the sense of wellbeing and raised awareness, being "in the moment" and feeling "at one" with those around you. Examples? sometimes the spontaneous things at the Getaway especially in the impromptu sings, like Elizabeth LaPrelle singing the"Parting Glass" at about 1 am. Following John Roberts singing " when you open up a bottle of the best" |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Janie Date: 02 Mar 11 - 10:38 PM I like that notion of loss of self, Micca. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Bill D Date: 02 Mar 11 - 10:40 PM Janie.... mea culpa, mea culpa...mea maxima culpa! I knew someone named 'Mollie' who could NOT get people to quit spelling it 'Molly'... and I thought *I* was above that sort of thing.. Perhaps the 'heavenly bliss' of being out of Kansas has made me complacent.) (boy, that making the single 'i' italic sure looks funny..) |
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Subject: Lyr Add: Heaven's a Bar From: Jeri Date: 02 Mar 11 - 10:45 PM Darlodave asked a question and so refreshed this 5+ year old thread. I found the lyrics, and there's a Youtube of the Exmouth Shanty Men singing it. HEAVEN'S A BAR Written by Dorset's Tim Laycock and recorded by him with the New Scorpion Band. Heaven's a Bar Heaven's a Bar, down by the dock, Where the liquor is free, they keeps a great stock, There's always a place, always a smile, For a sailor come home from sea. The girls they are beauties, they dance and they sing, They'll treat an old tar, like a Lord or a King, Heaven's a Bar, down by the dock, Where there's liquor for all and it's free. There in the snug, drinking with me, Shipmates returned, from seven salt seas, Tarry, tailed tars, gold buckled shoes, The cream and the dregs of the crew. Just sailors ashore, with a dream in their eye, Who've seen the world's end, where the sea meets the sky, Visions remain, wonders recalled, By the trinkets that hang on the wall. Late in the night, clouds hurry past, The moon winks and goes, the doors are barred fast, Charts are laid out, contraband found, The crossed bones marked out on the ground. The figurehead does it, she never gets tired, She beckons a breeze, from her berth by the fire, Songs roll around, waves hit the bar, Till the bottles wash up on the shore. Tim Laycock |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 03 Mar 11 - 05:58 AM Then there is the dilema of how good you have to be. If you tell the whole honest truth it could hurt making you feel bad. If you lie (albeit to save someones feelings), then you have been dishonest and still end up feeling bad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Amos Date: 03 Mar 11 - 10:24 AM I suspect that when one strives to be a heaven, the problem of selective goodness melts away into an amorphous, overpowering sense of being which is inherently right in seeing and in action. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: I wonder if there is a heaven, and . . . From: Ebbie Date: 03 Mar 11 - 11:05 AM I read your word as 'haven', Amos- and that isn't bad either. |
