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Subject: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: tarheel Date: 29 Jan 06 - 02:49 PM Senator John Kerry,while in Switzerland at a 5 Star rating Ski Resort,called his Liberal collegues in Washinton,D.C.,to tell them to start a FILLERBUSTER in order to block the nominatiuon of Judge Sam Alito,to the Supreme Court!!! (is this someone that you want to have your interest at heart???) give us a break!!!!! tar... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Don Firth Date: 29 Jan 06 - 02:58 PM Kerry is not the only one who is calling for a filibuster. He's the only one that the media seems to be spotlighting. Merely another attempt to trash Kerry. Have fun...... Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Ebbie Date: 29 Jan 06 - 03:23 PM More to the point, tarheel, do we want Sam Alito on the Supreme Court? (I'm curious- is sandytoes your wife?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 06 - 04:08 PM Probably too little , too late... Looks like another corportist on the bench... Hide yer wallets... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 04:16 PM Ask not what your country can do for you; but rather, why is it doing it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: SINSULL Date: 29 Jan 06 - 04:20 PM Time to invest in coat hangers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 04:39 PM John Kerry equals sour grapes. Alito has the highest rating of the American Bar Association. Looks to me like an extremely intelligent person for the job. One who has plainly said that he will interpet the law to the best of his ability. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Bill D Date: 29 Jan 06 - 06:29 PM Any filibuster or "NO" vote will simply be a historical note so that when Alito proves to be the predictable |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Rapparee Date: 29 Jan 06 - 06:33 PM Kerry is wasting tactics, ammunition and energy. I also wonder if Alito won't turn out like Earl Warren, who Eisenhower put in the bench because he considered Warren a conservative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Jan 06 - 06:33 PM Look man, Chongo Chimp has the highest rating of the Chicago Bar Association. Big deal. Being able to down the most whisky and sodas per hour and remain standing is not a recommendation of good character or judgement. Other than that, ask me if I care about Kerry's filibuster. Or Sam Alito. Go ahead, ask me. ;-) Kerry's just doing his job, which is to bash Republicans. And Tarheel's doing his, which is to bash liberals. One question, though. Has any filibuster ever actually prevented legislation from going through? Or has it just delayed it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 06:43 PM It's just grandstanding. Except of course when Jimmy Stewart did it in Mr. Smith goes to Washington. Otherwise, much to the contrary of what Bill D. says, no one will remember who opposed except a lot of sour grapes democrats who cry when they don't get their way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 29 Jan 06 - 07:32 PM Filbustering Sam Alito is a first rate idea. Contrary to the innuendo in the first post, it is a principled action intended to put some sort of brakes on the Administrations power-sucking manuvers aimed at elevating the executive to a dominant, unchecked authority under any condition of fear, doubt, hostility overt or covert, real or imagined in the world. This sort of Imperial Presidency is what people used to call kingship, and it is exactly the creep toward monarchy, or dictatorship, that the Consittution was designed to prevent. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 07:35 PM I just saw a clip of Barak Obama criticising the Dems for a considering a fillabuster. I's not going to happen. Too bad for you, Amos. Barak has a lot more common sense then the majority of the Dems who want their power back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 07:42 PM The Dems will be getting their power back in 2006, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:02 PM Nah, Bruce, they prolly won't... There are too many safe districts now that it's almost impossible to bring about the kind change that Gingrich was able to pull off in '94... Plus, the Repubs have mastered the art of collecting "protection money" from their thugs (rangers and pioneers) who go out and beat money outta folks and... ....over the last couple decades the candidate with the most dough wins 9 out of 10 elections... So I wouldn't go predicting much change in the makeup of Congress after the '06 elections... Or the '08's... Or the 10's, 12's, 14's, etc, etc... But, hey, go ahead and filibuster.... Alito isn't another Earl Warren... He is a corporation man who will say stuff like "Well, the Constitution doesn't specifically address a doctor talking off the wrong leg....blah, blah, blah..." Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:09 PM Bobert, watch Bush's State of the Union speech. He is worried about the 2006 election, and worried big time. The speech will be tailored to settling down pissed off Americans. His approval ratings on a good day are at 43%. Two out of three Americans are NOT happy with the direction America is going. Bush, at long bloody last, is worried. That should be an indication that the victory for democracy--or at least what's left of it in the US--will have to come about in 2006. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:25 PM Yeah, Bruce, I've been reading, quite cynically, the "corporate owned" media articles over the last several days and here's my take... They, the corporate media have painted Bush as Rocky Balboa, with his poll rating's on the ropes and his manager yelling at him "Hey, son, yer blowing it..." and the only thing that poor, beaten down Rocky can do is come out in the 15th round with fire in his eyes to save his "presidency"... Thus the "Sate of the Union Address", which ain't nuthin' more than a cross between theater and a high school pep rally that the other teams fans have to participate in... Yeah, all I have seen is this "Rocky hype" to get folks to watch... But what we've seen with Bush is that, sure, he can give a decent speech and he can promise lots of stuff but that hasn't translated into much of anything excpet Iraq-mire, Katrina-Gate, Medicaid_gate, Snitch-Gate, Gate, Gate and more Gates... But the corporate handler think that if they can just get the American people to watch one more hour of King George the Proclaimer puffin' out his chest lieing thru his teeth then all will turn around... And, make no bones about it, King George the Proclaimer can lie with the best of 'um... Slick Willie ain't got nuthin' on this boy, no sir... I'll watch it, though, because I don't think I've missed to many of these "performances" in my life.... I'll also get a notepad and try to get a count on how many lies he tells... Last year was kinda a slow one coming off the election... Maybe 20 outright lies with another 20 half lies... I expect he'll be much more active on that front tomorrow night... Maybe 35 and 35??? Or better... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:06 PM Let me know your take on it. I have no TV so I won't be able to watch. I'll catch it on the www somewhere in print. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:27 PM So not every move Kerry makes is the greatest. It's interesting that the person who started this thread has made two mistakes just in titling the thread. Don't you ever check anything? Or do you think that since your illustrious leader never thinks or checks anything, you need not either. I suppose that's reasonable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:29 PM It's not. It's petty, Ron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:35 PM That's right, it sure is petty to point out that Bush apologists seem to be incapable of checking anything, much less putting words together to form a coherent thought. The only thing they have proven mastery of is propaganda--which worked like a charm in 2004---since hate and fear frequently are a winning ticket. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Ron Davies Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:37 PM Sweet dreams, "Martin"--and may you someday find courage to stand behind something you say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:47 PM I say this, ron. Sam Alito is the next suoreme court judge. And you are still petty for pointing out a spelling error of the original poster. But if you want to turn this thread into another one about me, bring it on. It just makes you look like the phony tolerant jerk you are. I have never backed down from anyone here, Ron. You are like sour grapes, pal. Took you 2 posts to come back at me you are so easily flustered. sleep lousy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Greg F. Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:00 AM Thus Spake Farty Marty: bbbbbbbbrrrrrraaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:44 AM Thing about monarchy, as even the Founding Fathers knew, is it is tempting to those who are unsure. It provides a nice stable power node which can take all the responsibility for better or worse. But, as well know, monarchy (that sort, anyway) especially monarchy which claims a divine inspiration and shield to its decisions, is not representative government. Even a king who is elected in the first instance is not a representative governor, because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Alito is a subscriber to this corruption because he is a primary defendant of unitary executive power; he was one of the brains behind the new fad of Presidential signing statements which are supposed to modify laws passed by Congress by adding the President's remarks to them when he signs them. This notion was rare until Reagan's time. Bush has taken it (like deficit spending) to new extremes. The problem is that this practice is predictated on the notion that "the President is as important as the Congress", which is very short-sighted and distortive of the representative process and the balances of pwoer allegedly built inot the Consituition. Bush's largest crime against this country, which Alito supported, is this distortion of the balance of power under the obsessive shield of "war-time powers" generated by the postulation of a war that will not end until there is no terror in the world. This is a pretty piss-poor excuse for adulterating the power of law over individual opinion, and ignoring the core values of representative, consitutional government; and it throws the doors open to all kinds of corrupt and, yes, essentially anti-American practices, which we have seen being embraced by the neocon gang. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry calls for Fillibuster... From: open mike Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:58 PM Since last night, PFAW activists poured well over a quarter-million faxes into the offices of key senators who can provide critical support to a filibuster of Samuel Alito's nomination. A growing number of senators have joined the effort to stand up for the rights of ordinary Americans. We've flooded fax machines -- now swamp your senators' offices with calls asking them to support the filibuster! (202) 224-3121 Tell us how your calls go by visiting http://www.SaveTheCourt.org/CallReport Then forward this email to anyone you know who is worried that Alito would likely condone the abuse of power by the president, vote to overturn Roe v. Wade, and help curtail Congress' ability to protect the civil rights, health, safety, and welfare of the American people. --Your Allies at People For the American Way for more info see: www.pfaw.org |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Barry Finn Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:14 PM Good for Kerry Sammy boy is not right for our country but more than he once again will further throw the balance off. The Justices aren't supposed to be all one side or politically allied. That makes for a pretty thin soup, one you could read through. They'd be better off as free thinkers & scholars of the law that they are suppose to interrupt. The difference in each Justice is the court's biggest guarantee in giving the people the best decisions. If it's weighed down to political parties we're in a world of shit, no matter which swings it. Faith based or issued based ideologies is not prerequisites to sit on the bench. Its intelligence, forethought/afterthought, fairness, justice, equality, common sense, a willingness to listen to other scholars in the field & to the people & a loyalty to the constitution above private or political interests, that should be what's questioned of a nominee. The leaders, IMHO, should be listened also but lastly. If it keeps on track, the way it is & is heading the Supreme Court will not deal out good or great justice but will just be a rubber stamp for those in power who can say "just U.S.". If it takes a fillibuster so be it. If our president would start choosing Justices for the above reasons instead of for his own & his party's personal & politcial aggendas, maybe then there wouldn't be a need for a fillibuster Hi Bobert I'd like to correct your statement "sure, he can give a decent speech". He has never made one decent speech & IMHO has never given even a good or a fair one. It's hard to watch & hear him speak at all. It's worse when he speaks along side of others who have a command of the English language. What's even more horrifying is when he's speaking along side of a foreign diplomat who speaks English as a 2nd or 3rd language & Bush is the one who's not completing sentences or mid stream he's off on a different tangent or making sense. I sat in the transplant waiting room last Thursday, probably 15 or so patients plus staff where listening to Bush. These are people from all walks of life the only thing in common were our transplants. I was pretty surprised when almost all had something to say (none positive) or shake their heads & a number found him amusing. Hardly anyone listened through the entire speech but most were very interested in the Q & A portion & was there the most negative reaction from the group was heard. He can no longer lean on his slick stic any more. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Barry Finn Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:20 PM The above post should've read "Bush is the one who's not completing sentences or mid stream he's off on a different tangent or 'NOT' making sense. Sorry Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: .Woody Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:22 PM This anti-Alito kerfuffle is going the same way the Kerry for President campaign went. Flop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:36 PM Thank you John Kerry. Thank you Howard Dean. These are the gifts that keep giving. We conservatives appreciate the generosity of you democrats to give us these wonderful gifts. Kerry has been completely irrelavant in the Alito hearings. To get in the spotlight and earn points with his base he calls for a filibuster. From a 5 star resort in Switzerland confirming his status as an ellistist to the American people. Alito has the votes. 51 republicans support him, (other 4 undecided but will not support filibuster) 3 democrats support Alito and Landueax has said she will not suppport filibuster. Thats 59 votes. Kerry would have to get every other democrat to get his 41 votes. Including Feinstein and Liebeman who said they do not support filibuster. Therefore the vote is already lost. Rather that getting Alito off the front page headlines, Kerry has kept him in the spotlight. On Monday the Senate will end discussion and the filibuster motion will be defeated. They will vote Tuesday morning. Alito will win with 60-70 votes. Alito will be sworn in on Tuesday afternoon and introduced in the seat of honor at the State of the union. ANOTHER REPUBLICAN VICTORY and DEMOCRAT DEFEAT. Thank you John Kerry for this timing and publicity highlighting the democratic defeat. Thank you Howard Dean who now admits that the DNC has only 5.5 million in the bank while the RNC has 35 million in the bank. As Bobert said- the candidate with the most money wins 90% of the time. Keep up the good work Howard. With the democratic senators from Minnesota, Maryland, and Vermont (I know he calls himself an independent but votes with democrats) retiring, and weakness with Nelson(fla), Stabinow, Nelson (neb), Corzine, and Cantrell- 2006 could be a good election year in the Senate. In the words of John Kerry- "bring it on" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:47 PM Woody, I think you're confused. "Bring them on" was George Bush's infamous remark about insurgents in Iraq. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:50 PM "Being able to down the most whisky and sodas per hour and remain standing is not a recommendation of good character or judgement." You are talking about Little Ted? Right?...You forgot to add "Drowning women." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:56 PM Chest-beating in support of mindless bestiality is no virtue, amigo. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:59 PM WASHINGTON, Jan. 30 — Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island today became the first Republican senator to oppose the nomination of Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr. to the Supreme Court. But the judge still seemed to have enough support for an all-important vote this afternoon. "Judge Alito has outstanding legal credentials and an inspiring life story," Mr. Chafee said, in a statement released by his office. "However, I am greatly concerned about his philosophy on some important constitutional issues." Mr. Chafee said he wanted to support President Bush's choice. "The president did win the election," the senator said. But he added, "I am a pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-Bill of Rights Republican, and I will be voting against this nomination." (From the NY Times) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Peace Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:11 PM Thread Drift. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:22 PM Chongo's bestiality isn't mindless, Amos! He cogitates carefully prior to taking action. I think you owe him an apology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Peace Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:29 PM "He cogitates carefully prior to taking action." I;m afraid to ask . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 30 Jan 06 - 04:05 PM Interesting contrast between the map and the territory in Martin's post. Here's the territory, a quote of actual words spoken: Obama: Filibuster 'wrong way' On Sunday, Sen. Barak Obama, D-Illinois, faulted his Democratic colleagues for relying on parliamentary maneuvers to make their point. "I will be supporting the filibuster because I think Judge Alito, in fact, is somebody who is contrary to core American values, not just liberal values," Obama told ABC's "This Week." (emphasis added). But he added, "These last-minute efforts, using procedural maneuvers inside the Beltway, I think, has been the wrong way of going about it." By contrast here is Martin's "map": "I just saw a clip of Barak Obama criticising the Dems for a considering a fillabuster. I's not going to happen. Too bad for you, Amos. Barak has a lot more common sense then the majority of the Dems ...." (Martin) Well, I concede Barak has good sense; but you musta come in to the movie late. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: CarolC Date: 30 Jan 06 - 06:10 PM There is nothing "conservative" about destroying the balance of powers built into the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. A true conservative would do everything in his or her power to conserve the founding principles upon which our system of government is based, not destroy them. Alito is no conservative. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 30 Jan 06 - 06:42 PM WASHINGTON - Sen. Mark Dayton will vote in favor of a Democratic filibuster of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito. That's according to his spokeswoman, Semonti (sim-MONT'-ee) Mustaphi (mus-STAHF'-ee). The vote is expected this afternoon. ... (Grand Forks Herald) A. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 30 Jan 06 - 06:44 PM The Washington Post reports: Senate Ends Alito Filibuster Attempt 75-25 Vote Virtually Assures Nominee's Confirmation By Fred Barbash Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, January 30, 2006; 6:27 PM By a 72-25 vote, the Senate cut off a symbolic filibuster attempt today on the Supreme Court nomination of Samuel A. Alito Jr., all but assuring that the federal appeals court judge will be confirmed Tuesday morning by the Senate. His confirmation, following that of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., would complete the Bush administration's attempt at a court makeover, having deploying two prominently conservative jurists to replace one conservative and one moderate. ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Bill D Date: 30 Jan 06 - 06:52 PM well, it's all over but the formal vote.....we shall see. I sure hope Justice Kennedy stays healthy...he's now the closest thing to a 'middle of the road' Justice remaining. And I sure hope doctors are careful about which legs they remove. ;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: kendall Date: 31 Jan 06 - 10:06 AM Judge Alito is without doubt an outstanding lawyer. He is also a right wing idiolog who does not belong on the high court. Remember, judges can also be impeached. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: kendall Date: 31 Jan 06 - 10:08 AM If Alito is such a giant in the judge field, why in the hell did Bush nominate a woman who has never been a judge at all? I have my idea, how about yours? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 31 Jan 06 - 11:17 AM What a glorious sight tonight when Bush introduces Supreme Court Justice Alito. Thanks to John Kerry and Ted Kennedy keeping this on the front page, it will highlight another conservative victory and another democrat loss. Even democrats have to admit (in their heart if not out loud) that Kerry looked stupid calling for a fillibuster from Davos Switzerland while Kennedy looked even more foolish by questioning Alito on his all male club in college while Kennedy was still a member of the all male Owl Club at Havard. Does anyone think the democrats looked good with a 72-25 crushing defeat in the filibuster vote. The only thing that could top this is if Cindy Sheehan decides to run against Diane Feinstein in Californa. Go Cindy Go. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: CarolC Date: 31 Jan 06 - 11:26 AM I hope she does. Feinstein is a tool. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Amos Date: 31 Jan 06 - 11:32 AM Yeah, Larry, it looked a little lame, although really where he spoke from is irrelevant. I am glad he did it just so it is on the historical record. If Alito goes South, you know, and turns out to be Edward Scissorhands, or somethign. :) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 06 - 12:40 PM Gosh, Larry, it must be great to get this much delight from seeing the Democrats take it on the chin. ;-) I wish it meant as much to me as it obviously does to you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: GUEST,Martin gibson Date: 31 Jan 06 - 01:01 PM It's official. alito elected 58-42 Great day for fair justice in America. and yes, the Democrats looked really dumb as they scrambled and postured for Presidential reasons on this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Kerrty calls for Fillibuster... From: GUEST,Little Hawk Date: 31 Jan 06 - 01:45 PM Little Hawk: Serious question (as I respect your integrity and consistency) Supreme court is important to me as they sometimes make decisions that override the votes of the people. If you can't win an election, you can still get your way through the courts. I have a big problem with that. Does the Harper election mean anything to you or do you consider all politicians basically useless? I imagine that the Alito election to you is like the Harper election to me. The only difference is that Canadians seem to pay more attention to american politics than they do to Canadian politics. On a Jack Astors porch in London Ontario 20 Canadians couldn't even name the last name of the premier when Eaves was in office. On the other hand, I wouldn't take a bet that 20 Michiganders would be able to name the last name of our governor at an Applebees restaurant. I was just curious for your take. |
