BS: Cartoon riots around the world

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,Neeraj
Date: 08 Mar 06 - 07:50 AM

Oh i have seen that this was totally bad feeling but the other communitee should think about their reactions like this.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 07 Mar 06 - 08:06 AM

The latest message from bin Laden and his Egyptian pal
"They steal our oil, invade our countries and then make fun of Allah in their cartoons"

They are actually bringing cartoons into their plan to encourage blowing up the Saudi Arabian oil reserves and processing plants.


"cartoons that ain't funny aren't cartoons"

Nothing could be further from the truth.
Some are a mirror that may reflect darkly or ironicly.
Some can be a hammer that can pound home a truth and shape the mind set of society. But the laughter they produce in is proportion to one's understanding of the underlying truth cartoons illuminate.



Parody songs are cartoons too.

My tune regarding our "addiction"

When you fuel up your car
you know you won't go that far
Oleen
When we import the oil
Muslim blood starts to boil
Oleen
we want gas we want gas we want gas...
oline

For all the flags that wave
it is the oil we crave
Oleen
For all the smog you've seen
there is a dead Marine
Oleen
We want gas we want gas we want gas
oline.

When we pay the gas bill
we're so broke we could kill
Oleen.
All the oil companies
have brought us to our knees
Oleen.
We want gas we want gas we want
oline.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: heric
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 10:11 PM

EIEIO

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 06 - 09:48 PM

URUYI

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 02:51 PM

cartoons that ain't funny ain't cartoons

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: autolycus
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 06:08 PM

Has anybody else seen a photo of our solar system, or galaxy - something like that - with an arrow pointing to where we are.

Our planet is vanishingly small.

Do you think looking at a photo like that, meditating on it, and any consequences worth us all doing?

Might we get our problems in any kind of proportion?


Alternatively, perhaps alaws should be passed banning self-confessed fundamentalkists (hm?) from viewing any material that they might be offenfded by.

Aha, so BLISS could be achieved by the standard means. By glorious IGNORANCE.

I mean, why sell stuff to people who are going to choose to be offended. The refusal would be for the best of reasons, so people don't get distressed.

Couldn't it be compulsory on things like passports for "fundamentalist"to be added to the data.

Or we could deal with two probs together by getting out of oil fast, thus responding to the fundamentalist problem and the future of that big, chunky lump of rock that seems important to us, what's it called, ohhhh, that thing that's like a spouse, can't live with it, can't live ...............

Auto.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 09:53 AM

And four murder threats against you and a demand of a public apology from Max.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 07:38 AM

Slap my head and call me Sally... We must puit a stop to Popeye http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html



Mr. Happy, If we bring this Popeye cartoon to the attention of certain Mullahs I am sure we can get a fatwa pronounced against Robin Williams who most recently portrayed Popeye.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Feb 06 - 06:59 AM

Found this by Irshad Manju, author of "The Trouble With Islam Today".

Thought it puts it pretty well.

"When Muslims put the prophet on a pedestal, we are engaging in idolatry of our own. The point of monotheism is to worship one God. not God's emissaries. Which is why humility requires people of faith to mock themselves--and each other--once in a while."

Then he also offers this, his illustration of the technique.

A rabbi, a priest and a mullah meet at a conference about religion, and afterwards are sitting around discussing their different faiths. The conversation turns to the topic of taboos. The priest says to the mullah and the rabbi: "You guys can't tell me that you've never eaten pork". "Never!" intones the rabbi. "Absolutely not!" insists the mullah. But the priest is skeptical. "Come on, not even once?" Maybe in a fit of rebellion, when you were younger?" "OK" confesses the rabbi. "When I was young, I once nibbled on bacon". "I admit it", the mullah laughs-- (not excessively- Islam has a teaching against "excessive laughter".) " In a fit of youthful arrogance, I sampled a pork chop".

The conversation turns to the priest's religious observances. "You can't tell me you've never had sex" says the mullah. The priest protests: "Of course not! I took a vow of chastity". The mullah and rabbi roll their eyes. "Maybe after a few drinks?" the rabbi teases. The mullah wonders "Perhaps, in a moment of temptation, your faith waned?" "OK," the priest confesses, "Once, when I was in seminary school, I had sexual relations with a woman".

"Beats pork, huh?" say the mullah and the rabbi.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 10:41 PM

But...that's what most of the rest of the World would like to do with the USA... (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 08:25 PM

Actually, my view of the perfect weapon in American hands would kill no-one -- simply put them to sleep for, say, 120 hours, during which time their regime can be straightened out, or whatever the stupid goal is, and their weapons melted down into manufactured farm implements.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Mr Happy
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 08:08 PM

'the more things change, the more they remain the same..'



Plot Summary for
The Fistic Mystic (1947)

Popeye and Olive enter the city of Badgag and spot Bluto doing magic tricks. He hypnotizes Olive like a snake charmer. Bluto introduces himself as the Great Bourgeois and gives Olive a fancy dress, turns Popeye into a donkey, and sits on a bed of nails. Popeye pounces on the bed and turns it into springs. The boys next compete in snake charming; Popeye blows a hornpipe on his pipe. Bluto next turns Popeye into a parrot. Bluto then locks Olive in a basket and does the sword trick; Olive escapes and gives parrot Popeye his spinach, which revives him. Bluto escapes with the rope trick and a flying carpet, but Popeye uses his pipe like a rocket to get aloft. Another battle, with Popeye using Bluto's own magic to turn Bluto into a canary. Popeye and Olive fly the carpet home, past the Statue of Liberty.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 07:14 PM

If 100 people hold a peaceful demonstration, you won't hear much about it. If 1 person robs a downtown store and breaks some windows, it's front page news tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: autolycus
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 07:10 PM

should point out that there was a Muslims-protesting -against -the-muslim-extremists march in London last Saturday without major incident.

Rank-and-file Muslims (if you'll forgive me putting it like that) do highly resent Islam being hijacked by extremists. Unfortunately, peaceful demonstrations tend not to be publicised round the world.

Anmd I keep hearing on BBC radio that Islam is at bottom a peaceful and tolerant religion.

michaelr. You ask why religion preaches peace and spawns fury. Well. we've had a whole thread (Religion=good people doing bad things?" - hope I've got that right) and the answer to you're question was amazingly ambivalent and arguable.

Maybe the answer is to differentiate as sharply as possible between all religions and their adherents.

Good night.

Auto.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 05:13 PM

I'm in full agreement with you on every point, Wolfgang.

"Totalitarian thinkers are afraid of laughter. That's why we need laughter, and in particular laughter about them and about what is dear to them."

Well said!

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 05:07 PM

The Iran demands an apology from a German newspaper for printing a caricature of the Iranian football team. The caricaturist has received by now three different death threats.

Something is very wrong in these heads.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: jaze
Date: 12 Feb 06 - 08:34 PM

Well, I kind of think what is needed is a strong and decisive world body(with BALLS) that will take action to prevent genocide, famine and fanatical regimes in a fair but decisive manner. That way the US wouldn't feel "compelled" to police the world. This body should be supported by world governments but be able to quickly decide to take action when necessary. I can have my dreams, can't I?

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Feb 06 - 08:07 PM

No, I do not.

But with all of the talk and rhetoric, just what is being accomplished that is effective?

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: jaze
Date: 12 Feb 06 - 05:52 PM

So are war and eternal hatred the only way to deal with differences? Surely you don't believe that, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Once Famous
Date: 12 Feb 06 - 04:53 PM

Amazing how many here support and take sides with Muslim 7th century mentality in the name of tolerance.

Just fucking amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Feb 06 - 04:37 PM

The freedom to do satire and cartoons has been long fought for in may countries. In my country, Germany, most of the left caricaturists and writers have been in conflict with the blasphemy law at least once: Heinrich Heine, Bert Brecht, Otto Dix, Kurt Tucholsky, George Grosz, Kurt Weill,...

George Grosz did a famous cartoon showing Jesus at the cross with a gas mask in 1929 and the court case ended with a draw. Tucholsky, the greatest of them, commented then: "A religion that has blessed the battles of the Great War has lost the right to feel insulted". And one of his famous lines was: "What is allowed to satire? Everything."

Of course, this freedom was lost during the totalitarian Nazi regime and was fought to get back in the late 1960s. Totalitarian regimes (and belief systems are afraid of satire. In 1992 an Iranian caricaturist was sentenced to 10 years for a cartoon showing war-disabled Mullahs at a game of football.

Totalitarian thinkers are afraid of laughter. That's why we need laughter, and in particular laughter about them and about what is dear to them.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 07:09 AM

michaelr, I have personally never known a spititual experience or epiphany of my own or anyone else's to cause them to want to kill in the name of God.
There are social psychopaths or people who misuse the power of an established culture or nation to do great harm, but it is nearly always done to reap perceived wealth and treasure.

Sometimes the stolen treasure does benefit the victors and the world.
Most times it does not.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:26 PM

Lonesome EJ says, "But their intent, I believe, is moral."

Killing, in my opinion, is entirely immoral. It doesn't really matter if its a suicide bomber or an American bomber pilot. The goal is to kill and innocent people are killed by both.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 07:58 PM

Every few thousand years some shepard inhales smoke from a burning bush and has a vision or eats moldy rye bread in a cave and sees God. From then on their followers kill one another at the slightest provocation. Haunted houses called temples are built by one side and torn down by another - and then bloody quarrels continue over the crumbling foundations.

Organized religion preaches Order and Love but spawns Chaos and Fury. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 03:31 PM

In other words, they all murder...but each uses the maximum force he is capable of. The basic intent is the same.

It's all terrorism.

As they say in England, LH, Bollocks.

Intent is indeed a determining factor. Let's apply the "Perfect Weapon Test" to the Muslim bombers, and to US forces in Iraq. This exercise says "if this person or persons was equipped with the perfect weapon to achieve his goals, what would that weapon do?"
The goal of a suicide bomber is to take his own life as well as the greatest numbers of infidels possible. His perfect weapon would be one which would cause the most death to those infidels around him, and his interest is not in their degree of guilt or sinfulness. He's going to take every body in a 100 square mile area if he has the perfect weapon.
The goal of an American bomber pilot in Iraq is different. His primary interest is not in causing indiscriminate destruction. In fact, that is counterproductive to his aim. That's why they call it "peripheral damage". His interest is in killing enemy combatants. His perfect weapon would kill a nest of Al Qaeda operatives or Saddam loyalists, while injuring no women, children, or innocent people.
In the real world, there are no perfect weapons, granted. The nature of guerilla warfare is always such that the innocent suffer. But to say that the suicide bomber and the bomber pilot have the same intent is just more of the "how can you condemn a person's bad behavior when we are all basically bad" argument. Even in the clearest-cut scenarios of human struggle, let's say the D-Day Invasion of Hitler's Europe, innocent people were caught in the bombing and crossfire of American, British, and Canadian troops. But their intent was to liberate, not to destroy them. To say that Canada's D-Day troops and Hitler's SS had the same intent would be a statement that revealed no basic moral or ethical perception in the speaker.
The strategy that put American troops in Iran may be questionable. The impact of those troops may even be negative. But their intent, I believe, is moral.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,outraged
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 03:09 PM

If Hitler killed Jews in the name of Christianity, than it should have been the job of every Christian to stand up and be outraged.

I do not, in any way, shape or form, blame all Muslims for the acts that I cited. I am outraged that so many are silent when such attrocities are committed in their name, yet they can not remain silent in the face of a few cartoons.

That is my point.

In my, not so humble opinion, no cartoon, no matter how insulting, is worth such outrage.

However, every innocent death demands it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 03:06 PM

robomatic, I'm surprised that you are considering Orwellian conspiritorial propoganda techniques. There was a time you would not go there.

btw outrage, I do condemn the Pope and involved Christians for their complicity in the Holocaust. So did the prior Pope. You can count on the current Pope however to be much less sympathetic.
...........




PS
the current atmosphere at NIH
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/beeker.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,more outraged than you
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 02:56 PM

Guest,Outraged - you just don't get it.   Do we denounce Christians because Hitler killed Jews?   You aren't looking at the individual incidents. You blame a religion because it is more convenient than dealing with your own issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,outraged
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 02:46 PM

Guest, Outraged - you are a practing bigot. In every incident that you mention, you could subsitute "male", "teenager" or "left-handed" instead of "Muslim".

Every incident listed was committed in the name of Islam and was committed without outrage from the Islamic world about attrocities committed in its name.

As an American, I have stood up and demonstrated against the illegal war in Iraq and against the lies of the Bush administration. I am outraged that we went to war, and about the thousands of lives lost on all sides, and that Bush justified his oil war on lies.

If I was a Muslim, I'd be outraged that Daniel Pearl was murdered in the name of my religion. But hey, that's just me.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 02:24 PM

This is redounding to the benefit of 'W' and the current US Administration whether we like it or not. Directing street violence at Northern Europeans based on mild satire is Orwellian in its implications of mass thought control. I'm bemused by the American government's rather passive stance as opposed to the Europeans. I can't decide if it's a case of tit for tat because of lack of mainland Europe's support on Iraq, or a positively Machiavellian view that it's worth having Europeans take some Islamic heat for the time being.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,more outrageously outraged than anyone
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 01:24 PM

Who would be surprised if:


Reports are sketchy in a very fluid situation but...
Nulclear war has broken out in the Middle East purportedly over a cartoon found in a MAD magazine!
US intelligence sources speculate that a Sept 2005 issue of MAD Magazine was misconstrued by high level Miltary Commanders in Pakistan to be a US goverment document regarding Mutually Assured Destruction. One particularly pointed cartoon of bin Laden outraged a Pakistani General who then arrested and killed Musaref.

Although Iranian sources claim that the US had nuked Isreal the radioactive spectrum indicates it was a Pakistani device that first leveled Jerusalem.

In retaliation the cities of Cairo, Tehran and Ramalangadingdong have been wiped from the map.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 01:15 PM

In other words, they all murder...but each uses the maximum force he is capable of. The basic intent is the same.

It's all terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,outrageously outraged
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 01:12 PM

In general Muslim fanatics behead innocent people.

The US military uses pin point surgical strikes, smart bombs, and invisible and oderless depleted Uranium to mutate generations to come with rightious impunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,more outraged than you
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 01:02 PM

Guest, Outraged - you are a practing bigot. In every incident that you mention, you could subsitute "male", "teenager" or "left-handed" instead of "Muslim". Instead, you chose to focus on the word "Muslim" because you are ignorant of the religion.   Yes, these incidents involved zealots who corrupted the teaching. The same can be said for Christians and Jews.

If I called your mother a whore and said your father slept with pigs, would you strike out at me? Probably.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,donuel
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:18 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/fallujafall.jpg


no outrage here...move along

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,Outraged
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:40 AM

Muslim outrage? ... Let's do a little historical review. Just a few lowlights:

Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City.
No Muslim outrage.

Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to
escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim
outrage.

Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways
and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.

Muslim newspapers publish thousands of anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage

Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every
one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their
shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims chop the head off of Daniel Pearl, a journalist on assignment in Pakistan. No Muslim outrage.

Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST,Iran Jack
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 11:33 AM

If you fear the terrorists to the point of censoring our won cartoons -
They have already won.

Picture of organizing stuff lying around the barracks...
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/brokeback.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: LadyJean
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 12:49 AM

Turkish Muslims tell stories of Nassir ed Din Hodja, a real Muslim cleric from the middle ages. They're pretty damned funny. There are some funny stories in "The Arabian Nights" too. Many of them quite ribald.
It's only recently that the Muslim world abandoned yuks.
When Muslim clerics objected to "The Satanic Verses" Salman Rushdie had to go into hiding.
When the Pope complained about "The DaVinci Code", Dan Brown probably cried all the way to the bank.
I hope to gracious no one from the Christian Right takes inspiration from these people. Imagine if, the next time some television show makes tasteless jokes about Christ, their offices were vandalized, or network affiliates were firebombed, or cable and satellite companies were attacked.
My favorite cartoon on the terrorist virgin theme, was Jules Pfeiffer's after 9/11. Satan meets the terrorist to show him his new house, a doll house, his new car, a toy car, and his virgins, all penned up and baaing, as a flock of goats is wont to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: jaze
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 10:18 PM

One thing to note. I've read that Islam(not the Koran) forbids depicting the prophet Muhammed for fear of it becoming idolatry. But does not this law apply to only Muslims? The Danish journalists I take it, were not Muslims and so therefore not bound by Muslim laws. Does Islam follow the laws and rules of say, Catholicism? Just wondering. Now I can understand that it was not in the best of taste, nor what we would consider politically correct, but should those journalists be bound to religious laws that don't apply to them?

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 08:44 PM

2 months ago I brought up the comic Phantom, a white guy raised in Africa who foils plots in the middle east. I have some very old exerpts from that comic book which if hyped by Mullahs in Syria Afghanistan and Iran would easily be an excuse for riots and arson.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 08:40 PM

Hey! Its me, dianavan, and I did print my name in the From box.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 08:39 PM

Thanks, Toulouse, for that link. I'm surprised that this comment, "All the major media organizations in Canada have refused to reprint the images, many arguing that to reprint them is to add insult to injury." Maybe this attitude is uniquely Canadian. Maybe, just maybe, we actually do have an identity. It mirrors my feelings, exactly.

Why is it that some people feel that they have to prove a point no matter what the effect might be? Seems to me its just asking for conflict.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 08:23 PM

Let's add to that list... Nancy!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Mary Worth.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 08:00 PM

It might sell...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/burkamobile.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 05:36 PM

ZIGGY!

Gah!!!

I'd step on a grandmothers NECK to stop that stupid strip

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Cluin
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 05:31 PM

Agreed! I'd burn a building or two if it meant they'd take that stupid "Cathy" strip out of the local rag.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 05:04 PM

Cathy... Garfield.... Andy Cap.... PEANTUS!

FKN Family Circus!!!!!

Those are 'cartoons' worth rioting over!

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 04:50 PM

Hey look... my alma mater got into the frey... bunch of idiots.... sure, there is freedom of the press and freedom of discussion, but this (IMO) was purely to rattle cages...

UPEI Publishes the Cartoons...

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 04:49 PM

I understand, Cluin. My statement was in the same vein.

Subject: RE: BS: Cartoon riots around the world
From: bfdk
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 04:42 PM

I was thinking about writing an update from "the Danish front", but then I came across this link, which really has most of the information I wanted to pass on to you all.

Best wishes,

Bente