BS: Scent Free Environment

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:43 PM

Tackle the root cause Ron. They don't want to. Now why do you think that may be? When the US starts showing the world it has decreased it's obscene consumption of our resources. Then we can wage the battle on the old dears. Until then it is laughable.

I;m allergic to grass pollen, but then I'm not a professional landscape gardener. My nephew is severely asthmatic but there's sweet fa he can do about the fumes being spewed out as he walks to school.

Like I said it's nothing more than shoddy lip service to detract from the real damage being done. But hey, how much taxation revenue does a bottle of chanel No 5 raise?

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: Bert
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:45 PM

I think that the answer here is REASONABLE USE. People wearing perfume are OK. Those marinading in it are not.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:46 PM

theBigPinklad .... are chelsea boots with cuban heels banned?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:47 PM

That is the bottom line Bert ... we are adults, reasonable use should be acceptable.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:52 PM

And what's reasonable use of a gas guzzler for asthmatics? But I suspose it's a lot easier to walk up to Mrs. Mulligan in accounts and say, " Look lady your eau de temps is choking me, you're fired."
Than stand in the middle of a freeway shooting the tyres of every over indulgent pleb in a SUV going to pick up the cat from the vet.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:56 PM

"does this mean the Catholic Church, and Bhuddist temples will have to change there ways (no more incense)"

I don't know about the Buddists, but there are many Catholic Churches that no longer use incense and are "scent-free".   Others do warn their parishioners of when it will be used and offer alternative services.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:58 PM

It's good to hear the Catholic Church is on the road to civility Ron.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:59 PM

Can we please ban flowers too, and sticky donuts and fizzy drinks. Some people are allergic to bee stings you know. Imagine the bees that would fly elsewhere if they didn't have a tin of coke to buzz around. They would have to flap their little wings to a far less enlightened land.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:01 PM

"it's nothing more than shoddy lip service to detract from the real damage being done"

I'm sorry, but you are wrong.   

Your points about gas guzzling and consumption are very well taken, and it appears from your arguements that you have an issue with the automotive industry. Rightfully so.   However, to say that the issue of "scent-free" is a smokescreen (ouch!) is wrong.   

These are issues of great importance to many people. You cannot say with certainty that your nephews asthmas is ONLY affected by pollution from cars.

I am sure your nephews asthma has not been helped by these issues.   My understanding that asthmatics who avoid ALL of these pollutants have fewer episodes and can function. If ALL of these issues were dealt with, your nephew would be able to enjoy more things in life.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:01 PM

That will be in phase II of the War on Scents Guest. First we have to rid the world of the Miss Mulligans. As you said they are the easy targets.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:04 PM

"Can we please ban flowers too, and sticky donuts and fizzy drinks. Some people are allergic to bee stings you know. Imagine the bees that would fly elsewhere if they didn't have a tin of coke to buzz around. They would have to flap their little wings to a far less enlightened land."   

"First we have to rid the world of the Miss Mulligans."

You both are being silly.   You are smarter than that.   If you take a few minutes to do a little research you would not be as flip.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:08 PM

Ron my nephews doctor can say with some authority what is triggering his asthma though. I don't have issues with the automotive industry. I have issues with selfish people who give no thought for the damage they do in their day to day life. When they put twenty dollars on to the price of gas then I'll start the leaving collection for Mrs. Mulligan.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:11 PM

"I have issues with selfish people who give no thought for the damage they do in their day to day life. "

So do I.

That is why I think the issue of fragrances, which effects more people than you realize, is just as important a battle to fight as that with the automotive industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:12 PM

I still think there are more targets of prority before we hit miss Mulligan, on our road to Nirvana ... plastics industry, carpets ...

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:12 PM

Silly? Us neigh and neigh again.

What are the rights of someone with a bee sting allergy if they get stung in the office, because Billy Boy has hit DunKin' Donuts on the way in to work (again) and is attracting unnecessary bees in to the office environment. It obviously isn't Mrs. Mulligan's perfume that's attracting them, because she has been put out to pasture long ago.

That's not silly to the poor post boy writhing around the carpet tiles with his throat swelling at a rate of knots.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:14 PM

number 6 I do believe we have just had a karmic 'carpet' moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:15 PM

Actually I have been there Guest ... I'm allergic to bee stings and have had to been taken to the hospital.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:16 PM

Very good ... karmic 'carpet' moment !

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:17 PM

I think you are both smoking that carpet.

Give us a break guest. You make a ridiculous situation that just sidetracks the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:20 PM

Not reeally Ronny ... carpets are actually very dangerous to peeple's health ... the bacteria they attract, mold, carcinogens. A hell of a lot more dangerous than the miss Mulligans in the workplace.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:24 PM

Number 6 I have done the same for someone who had just discovered they were allergic to kiwi fruit. Ron, allergies are far from silly.

It is futile to legislate against everyones source of allergy. There are bigger pollutants to fry. Like I said twenty dollars on the price of gas, enforced car sharing schemes, limiting car size to actual need, congestion charging and functioning public transport systems and then we can embark on the war on scent with healthier lungs and clearer thinking brains.

Until that moment in time it IS laughable.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:27 PM

Why is allergy to bee stings ridiculous Ron? Why is Billy Boy allowed to attract the source of the poor postboys allergy, but Mrs Mulligan has to be fired?

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:28 PM

It is actually carpeting that contributed to Angela's condition.

I see where this is going. When logic fails, you go for the absurd. Making jokes about something that you are not familiar with will not change the facts.   READ up on it. Do a few searchs for chemical poisoning, scent-free, etc.

No one is saying Miss Mulligan is public enemy #1. The issue is that she may have ignored the policy (on purpose perhaps?) and does not realize that she COULD be harming others, as well as herself.   She is not a criminal, nor is anyone making her out to be. But if she ignores the rules in the workplace, she should be dealt with. If you sit at your desk and do nothing but type on Mudcat all day(oops) and your boss complains, you still ignore the order and continue typing, and then he writes you up - who is wrong?    When a "rule" is established in an office environment and the consequences known, you deal with it.

If Billy Boy is bringing bees into the office, or creating an environment where they will come in, then his superiors had better correct the work environment before that poo post boy gets stung by the bee.

Lets stop dealing in the absurd and look at the reality of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:32 PM

Thank you Ron, you just have dealt with the reality of it. Every single one of us is guilty of causing an allergic reaction in someone else. And you don't need to insult the post boy further by calling him poo, that's a step too far.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:33 PM

You see guest, this is why you are wasting everyones time -

"Why is Billy Boy allowed to attract the source of the poor postboys allergy"

Read my previous post. Billy should not have been allowed. The company would be liable if they knew of the situation and did nothing about it.

"Why is allergy to bee stings ridiculous"
It is not ridiculuous. The point of "scent-free" is to reduce the risk.   Bees are naturally occuring, but if a workplace were to create an environment that encourages the gathering of bees, then they are wrong.

"Ron, allergies are far from silly."
I never said they were. We aren't discussing allergies here - we are discussing exposure to chemicals.

"It is futile to legislate against everyones source of allergy."
That is correct. You cannot force me to eat a kiwi if I am allergic. That is why packaging of products is supposed to clearly label the ingredients. That is why peanuts are so clearly labeled, because they can be deadly. Look at your Chanel #5 and tell me what is in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:34 PM

"you don't need to insult the post boy further by calling him poo, that's a step too far. "

I would tell you to bite me, but I would probably catch something.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:37 PM

Buy me some and I will. Ron if I am wasting your time use it doing something constructive . If you think every rule is meant to be blindly followed without questioning it's total lack of perspective that's your choice. It isn't mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: leftydee
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:48 PM

Face it... life has odors. Some can't be avoided, others can. I don't care if you wear perfume but if I can smell you from more than 3 feet away, it's just rude. I'll try not to pass gas near you, and in return, maybe you can turn the colonge down a notch. It's just common courtesy.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 05:56 PM

Exactly.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: number 6
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:01 PM

I agree too.

"If you think every rule is meant to be blindly followed without questioning it's total lack of perspective that's your choice. It isn't mine."

And that is what it's all about. Thanks for that line Guest. It's just a chicken shit rule, that I'm questioning. If people would just look around they'd see a lot more dangerous issues that should be questioned.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:05 PM

"Free the Scent."

Association of Stinking Skunks

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:18 PM

Does Winnie Pooh in the 100 Acre Wood?

Yeah, and it's all sticky and gross because all he eats is "hunny".

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:21 PM

Another stirling reason to ban bees cluin. Good thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:37 PM

"you think every rule is meant to be blindly followed without questioning it's total lack of perspective that's your choice"

Now you are putting words in my mouth. EVERY rule should be questioned. This "rule" has been fought for and I think it has merit.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:40 PM

Nice try Ron, but you missed the 'if' out of my quote.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:57 PM

"Rules are for the Guidance of The Wise and Blind Obedience by Fools."

Robin
Author of The Fooles Troupe.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: Bert
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:08 PM

Flowers are just the same problem. One time I pruned my pear tree when it was in full bloom 'cos there was just to much on the tree.

Well not wanting to waste the flowers I took them into the office to share.

Sure enough one guy had allergies so I took them into a room that wasn't used and put up a sign saying help yourself.

Nothing wrong with being reasonable.

As for those of you who have problems with bees, there's a trick that might help prevent them from stinging you. Just talk nicely to them, actually you can hand feed them, but I wouldn't recommend that if you're allergies are severe. But if they are there just be calm and talk gently and they are much less likely to sting.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:17 PM

My grandfather claimed that bees would sting horses because of their scent.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:26 PM

A good friend of mine claimed that the scent of human breath would incite bees and hornets to sting. Maybe it was just HIS breath.

He also told me spitting would scare away skunks.

He had a lot of stupid hints and tips, come to think of it...

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:27 PM

no difference at all. The addition of "if" still says the same. Your arguements have not swayed anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: Bert
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:32 PM

It's the adrenalin that incites them to sting. If you stay calm then they won't usually sting you. Thats where the talking nicely comes in. It helps YOU to stay calm and then they don't get excited by the adrenalin.

I have hand fed them with a drop of saliva on my finger so I don't think the smell of human breath would normally incite them. Of course beer or alcohol on your breath would interest them 'cos they like a tipple now and then.

I have never been stung while talking nicely and hand feeding them.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:43 PM

That would explain the horses - the fear is 'smelt' by the bees.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:48 PM

It's a tiny word Ron, but one that you felt the need to remove from the quote. I wonder why? Could it be that by leaving it in you couldn't qualify your statement?

Number 6 didn't find the need to remove it. Good cursor work though.
However no cigar. Stop clutching Ron, the straw is so far downstream it's out of sight.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:49 PM

I've never been stung by a bee, actually.

And only once by a yellowjacket. I was playing an outdoor gig and it was hovering in front of my face and I stupidly reached out and grabbed it and threw it away from me. Thet's when it zapped me in the palm, between the 2nd & 3rd finger of my left hand. Hurt a bit for while, but it actually loosened up my playing some (I was on mandolin at the time and cramping up a bit).

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: bobad
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 07:50 PM

"It's the adrenalin that incites them to sting. "

Do you have a source for this ?

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 08:19 PM

"It's a tiny word Ron, but one that you felt the need to remove from the quote. I wonder why? Could it be that by leaving it in you couldn't qualify your statement?"

I know you won't believe me, but the honest truth is that I failed to see that I missed the word when I copied and paste.   The other part is, even if you leave the word in, it still doesn't change the fact that you were putting words in my mouth. Your use of the word "if" in that sentence comes across as an assumption, not a supposition. YOU are the one who appears to have run out of steam because you have not been able to put together a logical argument, and now you jump on a simple typo as a way of justifying your position.

It still remains that the problem of "scent free" is an important issue that deserves attention. You try to downplay it and bring up an issue of gas consumption - an important problem of course, but not one that should cancel out other fights.   Finding a cure for AIDS is important, does that mean we should stop trying to fight cancer and devote our energy there? I should hope not.

Please, read a few of the links that have been posted elsewhere. I know this seems like a joke to many people, but there is some serious research and serious health issues at risk.   Let's not get tied up in word games and silly arguements.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 09:33 PM

its late, i'm tired, and reading this thread is making me angry..

my sister has suffered near fatal asthma attacks triggered
by smokers and/or strong perfume wearers.

she is now virtually a housebound prisoner,
no longer able to risk visiting most public places.
She now has precious little social life
and fewer and fewer remaining friends
prepared to visit her at home
as her health has deteriorated.
The internet is her only lifeline to the wider outside world..
..but what quality of life is that..

She has no choice but to deal with the life-sentence
of 'living in a bubble'
imposed by the ignorance, selfishness, and stupidity of mass humanity.

My health is not so bad as yet..

but in the last few years i find myself being increasingly adversly affected
by allergic reaction to strong commercial fragrances..

it can be an instant reaction of nausea and unsettled equilibrium..
my skin can quickly break out in ecezema..
luckily i've never experienced asthma.. so far..

the air in most public places is a toxic potentially harmful fug.

Even in my local sports & leisure centre / gym
which has a corporate incentive in promoting
good health and well being..

..the changing rooms are poorly ventilated,
yet the daily build-up of 'toxins'
from the uncontrolled use of mutivarious aerosol spray deodorants
and vanity perfumed products
of dozens of guys using the facilities..
compounded with the continuous industrial chemical air freshner jets
overhead in the urinals..

it might just as well be a military chemical warfare training chamber
as far as i'm concerned..

it directly affects my health,
so i cant use the changing rooms..
which means as a consequence
its difficult for me to use the swimming pool and steam/spa facilities
which i pay for substantially every week as part of my membership fee..


so I've no patience with clever-arsed reactionary mockery..
this is a real health threat..

think how you might respond to a sudden unprovoked punch to the nose, throat, or diaphagm..

or being sprayed in the face with mace..

its not a joke..

not when common everyday fragrance enhanced products
can cause a similar shock to the system
to individuals like my sister and myself..

..and i'm sure that although sufferers like us are at present discounted
as merely only a small minority of 'weaklings' & 'compainers',
the numbers are surely growing rapidly generation by generation
as the social environment becomes increasingly and permanently polluted
with the noxious products of fuckwitted 'consumer choice'.

Great.. smoking will be banned in pubs and venues..

thats positive progress.. i can start going out to gigs more often again..

but there will still be the potential real threat
that i will be assaulted by the 'fragrant' chemical agents
of cretin culture lifestyle-product over-consumers..

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 09:46 PM

..oh and i hesitated to mention as this is not specifically
a 'smoking debate ' thread..

smoke in pubs fucks up my sinus's and ears..

its real discomfort and pressure,
and can occasionally cause me spontaneous nose bleeds in public..

which is embarrasing cuz in pub gigs where i live
i'm sure people i dont know tend to jump to the conclusion i'm a coke/speed abuser..
and judge me accordingly and wrongl..


.. still thankfully that will be one less problem !

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: jacqui.c
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 10:15 PM

I worked in an office with a woman who drenched herself in perfume every day. For the period of time that I had to work with her I would go home with a headache every day. She was not the type of person who would take kindly to a request to tone down the perfume and, as she was my superior and I needed the job I had no alternative than to suffer it. Put me off using the stuff for a long time and, when I did use some, I found that I ended up with headaches again.

Now I hate walking through the ground floor of department stores, which is always where the perfume counters are. To me it's almost as bad as cigarette smoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Scent Free Environment
From: Raptor
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 10:33 PM

If you were alergic to coal would you work in a mine?

If you were alergic to seafood would you work at Red Lobster?

If you were alergic to the sun would you become a lifegard?

Banning things is wrong. I felt sorry for the punk untill he said that he still goes to pubs with all the "Fuckwitted consumer choices"

Compaering passing a woman with a little too much channel to a "punch in the throat"

The sent that should be banned is the pungent oder of bullshit.

I do realize that some people have alergies but they are responsible for thier own health. Ashmatics that live in smog infested cities and complain about perfume are Morons that darwin tried to tell us about!

Raptor