BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: 282RA
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:07 PM

>>There is no proof in either camp. Proof as in evidence that would stand up in court. Using the court analogy there is plenty of 'expert witness' testimony but that asks for a supposition. Whether that type of evidence would be enough to convict or aquit the defendants of existing is another matter!<<

But in a court of law only one side is required to prove something. One side must prove guilt, for example. The other side does not have to prove innocence. If guilt is not proven, innocence is presumed.

Likewise, the historicity of Jesus Christ must be proven. Those who question it are not required to prove non-historicity. If the side that favors historicity fails to prove their case, non-historicity is likewise presumed.

And like the defense, the non-historists have a right to defend against statements made by the prosecution or the historists, in this case. You may offer evidence but they have the right to rebut it. If they fail to do so, you win. So far, two primary pieces have been offered and both rebutted convincingly.

That's pretty much where it stands as of now and has stood for some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:05 PM

"So why did not say that in the first place?"

Cause it's been said over and over and over in this thread.... and still they cling to "Yes there is" with NO evidence to back it up....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:35 AM

Far better than 'whatever, Clinton:-) So why did not say that in the first place?

Is it true though? Alleged contemporary and nearly contemporary accounts of Jesus include Tertullian, Josephus, and Celsus. They can of course never be verified but that does not mean they have to be fake. If he was the trouble maker detailed in the books may the existing religious leaders not have wanted to ensure he did not get popular? How better than to stop the 'popular press' of the time reporting on him? It has been known to happen even now - why not then? Maybe that is why only scrapy details survived?

Personaly I think it likely that the figure of Jesus, whoever he was, was merged with the previous pagan gods and stories for political ends by the early church. I also think it likely that they used both existing myths and existing characters rather than make something up from scratch. The Christian churches track record for 'borrowing' other peoples beliefs is positively verifible. Why should they have chosen to make things up rather than do as they have always done since?

I have to agree of course. No-one can say whether he did realy exist. But to say categoricaly that he did not is a pretty strong conclusion to make on the scant evidence. I am pretty sure he would not have been the miracle working peace hippy of popular belief but on the evidence available I would say it is more likely that the man did exist. If not the legend!

We will probably never agree but reasoned argument is far better than derision don't you think?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:58 AM

Looks like a dead-end discussion to me. I think of bible scholarship as an oxymoron.

But if you want some careful analysis, check out books by Bart Ehrman.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:33 AM

"Don made a valid point."

No, actually he didn't.... not according to most historians worth their salt.....

There are NO contemporary accounts of this so-called Jesus.... everything that we have written about him was written well after his death....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:17 AM

Just repeating what has been said above by me and others before. There is no proof in either camp. Proof as in evidence that would stand up in court. Using the court analogy there is plenty of 'expert witness' testimony but that asks for a supposition. Whether that type of evidence would be enough to convict or aquit the defendants of existing is another matter!

Clinton. 'Whatever' is not a particularly good argument. Don made a valid point. Why be so dismissive?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 09:40 PM

Well, that's one way to make yourself a prophet. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: 282RA
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 09:16 PM

Instead of disputing the claims of Christianity, I'm thinking I should found my own sect or denomination of the religion. The Non-historic Jesus sect. Call it "The Universal Church of the Soully Allegorical Jesus"

and we shall be called "non-hissies."

and our slogan will be: "I Like the Christ in You."

and our belief system officially encapsulated in the phrase: "Jesus died for your sins, figuratively speaking. You still have to pay for everything."

and this is our cheer: "Nag Nag Nag Hammadi/When the soul departs, we eat the body" (well, we did say we like the Christ in you)

and our eschatology officially expressed as: "Trust Us On This One--He's a No-Show."

Bumpstickers include: "Not Even Paul Believed That!"

"In case of Rupture, my john will be occupied."

"Careful--Psychopath Onboard."

And here's some of our hilarious top-notch humor:

Q: What did Jesus call Judas's kiss?

A: A-pucker lips now.

But don't fall over yet:

Q: What did the non-hissie say to Jesus?

A: Get real!

What a knee-slapper!

I believe I could take over the Christian edifice from the inside out in this manner. And then only the heretics will still profess the historical abomination. Ha ha!

And on the billboard out front: "Cuz you folks will believe anything." Amen!

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:57 PM

Just about everything that can be said about the whole matter has been said. Repeating it doesn't make it more credible.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 04:50 PM

Got nothing to prove to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: 282RA
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 04:38 PM

Some folks have a skewed view of how proof works. It goes like this:

When you make the claim, you have the burden of proof.

Hence, the claim that Jesus Christ was historical must be proven. You don't ask the con side to prove it because one does not prove the negative. This prevents the pro side from invalidly trying to turn the tables to "prove he didn't." That is not where the burden of proof lies so no one has to prove he didn't.

Nor can you try to prove your claim by saying, "You can't prove anyone existed. Prove Lincoln existed." Okay, I will. We have his photos, we have his words, his handwriting, many accounts by those who knew him. His eldest son, Robert, lived well into the 20th century. If we had any such proof as this with Jesus Christ, we'd have no reason to question his historicity. The burden of proof really doesn't lie on the person claiming Lincoln existed but on the one who claims he didn't. We won't find any photos of Christ, of course, but we should at least have a plethora of accounts contemporary with Jesus Christ had he actually existed. We have nothing. Even the spurious Josephus quote and the misinterpreted Tacitus quote were not contemporary to Jesus Christ.

Even so, compelling evidence has been brought forth that presents a very strong case that Jesus Christ was not historical and even this has yet to be satifactorily rebutted.

You have to prove Jesus Christ was historical and if you fail, then your case is considered wrong or false until you can prove it. None of this "he's real to those that believe." That's as silly as saying the tooth fairy is real to those who believe. So what? Doesn't make them right. It does make them gullible though.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 02:56 PM

"There are contemporary accounts"

Ya... whatever....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 02:52 PM

There are contemporary accounts, but nobody wants to believe them. Maybe they're authentic, maybe not. Still up in the air.

Over and out.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 02:42 PM

"nobody so far has presented an acceptable reason or believable evidence for either position"

Bull... just for one, the total lack of ANY contemporary account from people who were writing about exactly what Jesus was supposed to be on about is very telling in it's silence....

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 02:39 PM

"Did not!"
"Did too!"
"Did not!"
"Did too!"

And nobody so far has presented an acceptable reason or believable evidence for either position. After several hundred posts on a couple of threads, continuing with this "Did not! Did too!" stuff gets a bit silly, don't you think?

There are intelligent, rational people on both sides of the issue. The horse is dead. Continuing to flog it is not going to make it stand up and whinny, much less win the Derby.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM

An argument [philosophically speaking] is a reason advanced for or against a proposition. It could transpire between two opposing factions where neither concedes to the points presented by the other and is therefore viewed as unwon. But there may well be third party observers who dismiss one side in favour of the other in which case there would indeed be a winner and a loser. Or in perpetual argument, as in this topic, two winners and two losers.

I think advancement lies in common ground.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 01:55 PM

Dead-end argument. To people who believe in Jesus, your lack of acceptance means nothing. Basically, in their world He exists. He doesn't in yours. It's no big deal that they cannot prove to you that He lived. Neither can you prove He didn't. No point having an argument no one can win. As you have proven on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 01:48 PM

The only way to insert a historical character into a fictional story and be able to prove this to be the case is that a real and verifiable story with that person in it must also exist or his own records must be located and verified. When you don't have that, you don't have a case for saying the person is historical even if the story is obviously not. Since we have no verifiable biography or history of Jesus Christ other than the fictional story, it is great folly and totally dishonest to assert then that the character is real but the story false. The very idea is absurd. Until a verifiable story pops up for comparison, both persona and story must be considered fictional. Jesus Christ is fictional--period.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM

In the United States anyone can be President.


































That's the problem.

George Carlin

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 11:26 AM

There's a nickle's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans. If you put a nickle on a table, a Democrat will steal it from you. A Republican will kill you for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM

Anyone who says they are either completely true or completely false can never realy prove that

Not true! For instance, one can prove that an ark built to the dimensions given in the Noah story cannot hold all the animals on the earth. One can prove Jonah could not have lived in a whale. Unless you mean one cannot prove/disprove these things to the satisfaction of everybody; that's the tricky bit ... when you throw an omnipotent being into the mix all things are possible, even the impossible. But then that unmoving refusal to recognize what amounts to a defeat of mythical belief is what the conjuror depends upon.

Works for other myths as well as those in the bible (and better, our mythmakers today are assisted by incomprehensible technology and the average-joe's poor understanding of what science and logic really are). I wasn't at Mons so how can I say with 100% certainty the angel didn't appear? I've never been to Roswell. I've never poked my fingers into Jesus's wounds.

Happy Friday by the way. (I can't prove it's Friday. Just a concensus arrived at between me and others on the planet ;O)

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 10:57 AM

On a good day George Bush couldn't find his arse with both hands.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 10:38 AM

And therefore intelligent. Ah.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 10:29 AM

"Did I read somewhere that arrogance is a sign of intelligence? "

George W. Bush is arrogant.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 03:42 AM

The allegory is the description, not the subject.

Exactly - That is why I cannot see why an allegory cannot contain historic events. The two are not related. Although the allegory may be made up - Which under the OED definition it may not always be - The story can contain real people. Therefore the false logic is -

a) a made-up story (therefore not real), or
b) a real bloke (therefore not a made-up story)

An allegory can be a made up story about a real bloke or even a real event used to describe or explain something else. I am sure that the bible stories are very allegorical - But that does not preclude them from containing some element of truth. Anyone who says they are either completely true or completely false can never realy prove that.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 12:13 AM

"Sori" has been around here long enough to know that these kind of comments are going to piss off the resident Christian fanatics. Maybe he just forgot. But he never misses a chance to prove his elders to be idiots! Did I read somewhere that arrogance is a sign of intelligence? He isn't related to Attila the Hun for nothing. hahahahah

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 09:06 PM

Sori, I don't think your identity is a big a deal, and I didn't expect you to get so upset. I'm happy to drop it.

I think Jesus was probably a real person, but I think the stories have probably picked up mythical qualities. I think it's likely Mohammed, Moses, Buddha, and other figures had some mythical bits added to their stories as well. What's impossible is telling what really happened -- whether a story is completely true, completely fiction, or what true event occurred to later be embellished. I think probably everyone here must know someone who isn't that long gone, who has started to have a little extra something added to their life history.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 07:44 PM

Sorry Jeri, I didn't mean to neglect you in my post.

I 'd have verbally thrashed you to within an inch of your life too, but I didn't have a tape measure handy.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 07:33 PM

This is hilarious! Or maybe really scary. I'm not sure which way to react.

Nice to meet you Lepus. Thanks for explaining where I've been for the last 24 hours or so. BTW, where is Fridley?

Anyone else here using Firefox w/Privoxy? Apparently, using that browser config REALLY pisses some clones off!

Of course, it is evil of me to use that browser like that! Because it can only mean one thing. I am not who I say I am. Which is true. My name isn't Sori, that is just the handle I picked to post here.

But if you think I'm telling anyone here my name now? I don't think so.

Big Mick, I am not who you claim I am. I have said that in a number of posts, yet you continue to, umm, what exactly is that you are doing again?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:57 PM

Here's the OED definition, which may (or may not) help:

allegory n Narrative description of a subject under guise of another having similarity to it.

The allegory is the description, not the subject. I think what was meant was that JC is either

a) a made-up story (therefore not real), or
b) a real bloke (therefore not a made-up story)

Of course I can't know what exactly was meant. I'm only human alas.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:42 PM

Still can't figure it. Probably me being stupid. If, as the dictionary suggests, allegory is the representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form. then why can those characters, figures or events not be real ones? Genuinely interested.

Perhaps my last one was a bad example. If I were to relate the events of the last few days, with John Prescott playing croquet while he should have been running the country, then I could well be allegorising the general impression of laisse-faire in the government. It is both allegogical and historic. Is it not?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:26 PM

False logic. Your Mudcatters and Borgia courts would be elements of an allegory, not real.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:18 PM

"If he was real, his story is not and cannot be an allegory. If his story is allegorical then he was by necessity non-historical."

I don't understand that at all. An allegory is the representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form. Who says that the characters, figures or events cannot be historical? If I was to write a story placing the main Mudcat protagonists in the Borgia courts of Renaissance Italy it would be allegorical. Does that make the Borgia courts non-historical? I think not.

If you want to use pseudo-intellectual linguistic logic please make it at least plausible.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 02:49 PM

So what's your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 01:38 PM

"If he was real, his story is not and cannot be an allegory. If his story is allegorical then he was by necessity non-historical."

'Zactly!

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: 282RA
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 01:34 PM

What is with posters who complain about how they hate topics like this and yet can't stay off the thread? Why are people like this Mick person so preoccupied with Sori's ID? Get off the thread if you don't want to talk to this person.

This is a good thread and a perfectly legit topic and I resent the assholes who have to DELIBERATELY come here to screw it up and get everybody off topic. BUTT OUT!

With that said, Sori is right. Jesus Christ is a myth and nothing but a myth. Then again the myth is pretty profound except dopes ruin it with useless arguments and beliefs of Christ's historicity. Can't have it both ways, folks. If he was real, his story is not and cannot be an allegory. If his story is allegorical then he was by necessity non-historical.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 01:24 PM

Thanks, Sori, for raising an interesting angle for discussion. My experience has been that Mudcat is seldom an effective medium for religion discussions, but it was a good opening post.

Thanks, Mick, for clearing that up.

Thanks, Lepus, for the best-organized and funniest post I've seen in quite some time.

Thanks, you three and everyone else, for choosing Mudcat for your posting pleasure. Hope to meet y'alls I ain't yet met, and see the rest of y'alls soon.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 01:07 PM

Oh, now you're mad. All defensive an' shit. I guess I can understand that. But this wasn't a personal attack on you, but a critique of your behaviour. Like I said, you're a good guy. You've just got this… thing with anonymous GUESTs. So, please, calm down, look past the "f bombs," and consider the points that I made. :)

So, let's discuss your claims, in order:

1. You KNOW: OK, Mick, perhaps you do, in your mind, "know," who Sori is. I once "knew" that a girlfriend was cheating on me, and told her so. I was wrong, and an asshole for believing as I did, but still, I just "knew" it.

So, sure, you "know" it. But the more important question, once again, is this: "Why the fuck do you care?"

2. My Gang: OK, I know you said you were out of this discussion, but, please, refresh my memory: Who was in this group, and what were we doing to humiliate posters?

3. Why You Do It: You wrote: "I don't (go after her) while she is being civil and a good poster." I've re-read Sori's first post to this thread several times, and I can't find anything that, even by your standards, would warrant an attack. Nothing uncivil. Nothing condescending, or arrogant. No bullying. So what was it? Slightly controversial subject matter? Huh? Huh?!

4. Whaaaaaa?!: It's true. Sori is without a doubt "Janet Ryan," and, like all 3,000,000+ people in the 16th largest metropolitan area in the nation, we know each other. I confess. Mick, you make Poirot look like Barney Fife. Here's how it all went down:

Last night, I get this urgent call from Jan. She's in tears: Mick is on the warpath again!

So I say, "Don't you worry, baby. We'll fix him! Meet me at King's Korean, up in Fridley, in one hour. We'll sing some karaoke, we'll eat some bibim naengmyon some galbi. Whatever you want, baby. And then… we'll hatch an anti-Mick plot so devious, you could put pyjamas on it and call it a ninja!"

Well, you get the idea. Madness, Mick. Pure madness. Take another break, will ya?

Nice to "see" you, as well! :)

---Hotshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 12:03 PM

By the way, just in case anyone missed it.

If one should think that I am wrong about this, consider a couple of things.

First, Sori has yet to deny what I have said.

Second, when I referenced Lepus, she immediately pointed out that Lepus wouldn't put such a happy face on it. If this were a new poster, how would that have occurred given that she wouldn't know Lepus.

Third, isn't it odd that Lepus just shows up in a timely manner. I suggest that it is because JR contacted him. And then he acts as though he doesn't know who Sori is.

Conclusion. I am right on the mark, but I knew that anyway.

Out of this one. See ya next time.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:52 AM

Nice to see you too.

You check in once in a great while, throw a few f bombs, and we should all just bow to your wisdom.

The facts are, hotshit, that this whole thread was a trolling maneuver. I do, in fact, know exactly who started it. I don't care if you like it. I remember when there was this nice little group of you who took sport in trying to humiliate posters here. And the usenet stuff from a while ago is germane, given that this crap keeps going on.

It goes like this. Your buddy gets to shit in the sandbox, then shifts the conversation and acts injured, then you come riding in and say "What the fuck? Why are you messing with us." But folks here are not as stupid as you say all think they are.   And they tire of this crap. You ask why I go after her? I don't while she is being civil and a good poster. I have often said there is much I would happily discuss and probably agree on. But when that arrogant, condescending, and bully attitude comes out, I say something.

By the way, nice to see you again.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM

Whoa, you mean everyone agrees that I'm actually me this time? No fucking way. :)

So… Is this really happening again? The same old witch hunt bullshit? All the same people? Again?

Mick: What the fuck? I thought you were done with this nonsense. But here you are, on the third post, calling someone who may or may not be the possibly imaginary person you like think s/he may be… Anyways, calling this person a "monster" and a "troll?" Yours was the first inflammatory post to this thread, man. You attacked Sori right from the start, and guaranteed that this thread would not be a discussion about Christian mythology, but instead be about "Janet Ryan" and what a damaging, disruptive presence "she" is here. But you started the "nastiness." You started the personal attacks. You were the disruption.

And, I mean, I hate to repeat myself once the fuck again, but here I go:

You don't know that GUEST, Sori is your "Janet Ryan/WAMSO/Matriot." You don't know that this GUEST is from Minnesota. You don't have access to posters' IP addresses. You've admitted before that you have no real proof, just a hunch. In other words, you don't know shit. So why do you continue to obsess? Why, with no evidence whatsoever, and with no compelling reason to do so, do you continue to insist on trying to "unmask" this person?

And, yeah, repeating, once again: Yes, I imagine that Sori's first post was intended to elicit a response. This is how one starts a discussion, no? If it had been Bobert's or katlaughing's name on the first post to this thread, instead of a GUEST's, would you've called it "troll bait?" Please, get over your personal issue with anon. GUESTS, dude. You really are a decent guy, and not only does this shit makes you look like a jerkoff, but it hurts the forum as a whole. :)

Jeri: Wow, that's some pretty caustic stuff you linked to, there. A couple of… mildly snarky comments in a Usenet discussion half a decade ago? Are you really such a delicate little thing, Jeri, that you still bear the emotional scars of "Janet Ryan's" comments after all these years?

GUEST, Sori: Dammit, why did you have to choose a Korean name? Once the ghost of harpgirl re-re-re-reads my entire posting history, she'll note my frequently stated fondness for Korean food, and the jig will, once again, be up. Nice going!

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: 282RA
Date: 31 May 06 - 10:08 PM

I remember Son-O-God comix in NL. The Anti-Christ was a rather papal-looking individual. I remember one panel where Son-O-God is walking across a river (literally walking across it, of course) and these hardhat workers are harrassing him and one is yelling, "Eccc, homo!" I thought that was pretty funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: robomatic
Date: 31 May 06 - 10:01 PM

In the early 70's National Lampoon ran a few episodes of "Son-O-God" comics. It portrayed Jesus of Nazareth as a superhero with a secret identity. It was pretty hilarious. The backstory to the publication was that it was put out by right wing Protestants who were concerned with incursions by the Roman Catholics. Just when it looked like the United States would be a pawn of the Vatican, along came Son-O-God to save the day.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: 282RA
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:48 PM

When a historical demigod never dies, neither does the controversy surrounding him. And quit your rubbin! It's fun to discuss no matter how much people say they hate it. They love it and flock to these threads like a cat 5 hurricane heading for the Gulf Coast. And this thread is proof so just admit you like to debate it cuz if you didn't, you wouldn't be here.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,Sori
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:45 PM

Oh my god. Leave a thread for 24 hours, and look what happens.

This is quite the demonstration of ghost boxing.

I'm actually quite amused at this little game the Mudcat clones are playing.

Of course, they couldn't possibly be wrong about my identity, could they?

Well, no one here will ever know, because that is just for the Mudcat editors to know.

So special that Mick & Jeri share this dirty little secret obsession.

I feel so honored to play such a prominent part in their fantasies.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 06 - 07:46 PM

The Jesus myth AGAIN?

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 31 May 06 - 06:33 PM

>>this thread has been cussed and discussed so many times here on Mudcat—and other places—that large numbers of people, including myself, get bored spitless with it.<<

Thread too boring? Then leave. Really simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 31 May 06 - 06:21 PM

>>I'll leave the job of attacking others to the perpetually paranoid posters of Mudcat, who have found their way to this thread and now seek to piss all over the messenger by making specious claims about my identity or that I am merely posting to attack Christians.<<

Come on, now. You saw what happened on the other thread. You must have thought it was me being "mouthy" as one individual put it. No, you don't have to do anything but insist Jesus was a myth and state your case and ask them for theirs and all you'll get is an earful of defensive, accusatory garbage for your troubles because that is all they have to offer for their worthy position.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 31 May 06 - 06:10 PM

I thought about including you on the short list of people whom I haven't seen fly off the handle, Jeri, but I would have to strecth my limited memory banks to ensure accuracy on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Jesus as mythic god like Zeus
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 May 06 - 05:44 PM

Obviously there's a fairly extensive history here that I know nothing about, so I'll just butt out.

Don Firth