BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby

Subject: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: Wolfgang
Date: 30 May 06 - 02:57 PM

Just a minor news item, even in Germany, but it made me cringe. It has happened last month but the news came out today.

A Berlin woman, a recent convert to Islam, had decided to serve in the jihad as a suicide bomber in Iraq. That's nothing new, there are quite a few of them from Europe and she would not even be the first female European to blow herself up in Iraq. Fresh converts (to whatever) are often quite radical and want to prove they are true believers.

What makes this case special is that she had planned to take her 1 year old baby with her as a cover (both when leaving Germany and when approaching a valuable target) and, eventually, victim. She had posted that plan in one of the many jihad internet fora and had asked for how to best go on (there are jihad 'travel agencies' on the web).

Those who read these sites with a professional interest took her serious, found her out and searched her flat. What they found corroborated what she had posted (she might have made a very bad joke). The kid has been taken away from her, of course (poor baby, doesn't understand why s/he's not allowed to see her mother anymore). She has been in a psychiatric institution for two weeks but is free now. To post such a plan is not illegal in Germany and as long as her planning doesn't get more concrete it will not be.

I really wonder what she had in her head. But even in fathers (usually much more likely than mothers to kill their own children shortly before or with a suicide) I never could understand.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 May 06 - 09:11 PM

Do you remember an old SF short story (written about the 1950s) about the policeman who was trying to find out why people would just start randomly killing people in public - I won't post the spoiler. Can't remember the author either, but I am sure he was one who became 'one of the big names'.

To help you identify the story, there were mention of things like women having needle guns implanted in their breasts, etc...

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: John O'L
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:59 PM

I really wonder what she had in her head

Merde

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: NH Dave
Date: 31 May 06 - 09:36 PM

The less PC Marines have adopted the slogan, "Travel Agents to Allah" to answer your question, Wolfgang.

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: robomatic
Date: 31 May 06 - 09:40 PM

There's another one you can find to sell you T-Shirts on the internet:

72 Virgins Dating Service - We'll Hook You Up"

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 May 06 - 10:56 PM

I don't understand it, either, Wolfgang. Nor do I understand the doctor who, this week, threw his two young sons from a hotel balcony, then jumped off it, himself, killing all three, while vacationing to celebrate his and his wife's, also a doctor, tenth anniversary. No note, no explanation.

At least the one year old was saved from such a horrible fate. Good for the folks who took her seriously and followed up.

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: Metchosin
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:13 AM

The incident in Germany could be as simple as a lack of the omega-3 fatty acids, EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid), DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) and vitamin D3. When a woman is pregnant her body is stripped of these nutrients by the fetus. If these nutrients are not replaced the result can be severe postpartum depression with attendant psychosis.

Psychotic episodes are quite often associated with religious delusions, but in this case, the fact that she is a Muslim is almost as immaterial as where a woman drowns her children in a bathtub in Texas and is Christian. However, with the German woman, draping oneself in a burka would definitely limit ones natural exposure to sunshine and could even provide a further depression of vitamin D3 levels.

Post partum depression in women is a relatively uncommon occurence in countries such as Japan where seafood plays a large part in the diet, but it is fairly common in western civilizations.

There was an excellent programme on recent research regarding the connections between depression, pregnancy, vitamin D3 and the omega fattly acids on the CBC awhile back.

There is a reason that fish has always been regarded as brain food and a little bit of sun bathing without sunscreen is definitely good for you. So go fishing for fatty fish and take your hat off on occasion while you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 12:40 PM

I wonder if alcohol depletes omega-3 fatty acids. This woman must have had something seriously wrong with her. She succeeded in killing nine babies shortly after giving birth...


"FRANKFURT AN DER ODER, Germany (AP) - A prosecutor sought a life sentence for a German woman accused of killing nine of her newborn babies, saying Tuesday that she "killed regularly and routinely."

Sabine Hilschinz, 40, was arrested after the infants' remains were discovered last July buried in flower pots and a fish tank in the garden of her parents' home...

...Hilschinz has declined to testify, but previously told investigators that she was drunk when she went into labour and could not remember the births."


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/30052006/2/world-prosecution-seeks-life-prison-german-mother-accused-killing-9.html

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 04:44 PM

(And nine times her husband didn't notice his wife being pregnant and giving birth at home--- so he says.)

Kat, I had read about that doctor too. That's a "normal" case. I wouldn't have started a thread for just such a case. What was unusual in the case I posted was the woman planning to take her baby with her as a convenient cover. Not the plan of a suicide with her kid as such but the cunning use of her own kid as part of the plan to fool those she wanted to kill made it stand out for me.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: podman
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:09 PM

I want to congratulate Metcho- on the discovery that terrorism is related to omega free fatty acids, or the lack of same. I suggest we advance this theory to make sure that all terrorists be given required doses of omega free fatty acids.

Probably this also applies to the men, as they no doubt experience sympathy pregnancy, hence also sympathy post partum depression related terrorism.

Thank you for this important contribution to the understanding of our poo brethren in terrorism due to the lack of omega free fatty acids.

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:53 AM

Podman, you are just being silly. You know that is not what Metchosin said.
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If you don't believe that mental illness is founded in the chemistry of the brain, what do you think causes it? Demons? A wandering uterus?

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: Metchosin
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:30 PM

Thank you leenia.

Wolfgang, why wouldn't she include own child? If one is deluded enough to believe that one's own messy self destruction is going to provide one some sort of favour and great purpose in the eyes of their god, in some wonderous after life, why not take your child with you? That kind of thinking certainly worked for the followers of the likes of Jim Jones.

While calculated self destructive behavior doesn't make sense to a rational person, it seems to make sense to those who are "off their nut".

Subject: RE: BS: Would be suicide bomber with baby
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 05:32 AM

Metchosin,

people with a mind set to suicide (too) often take their kids with them, I agree. But I seldom see the kid's role preplanned as in this case to make the suicide more effective in taking as many people with her as possible. She clearly sees that taking a baby with her on the mission will make it more probable that she can safely and unchallenged approach a prime target. This combination of planning and irrationality is what strikes me as rare.

Wolfgang