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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: number 6 Date: 23 Jul 06 - 10:28 PM It's 07/23/2006 11:22 AT here where I live ... I'm now anticipating how many more posts there will be to this thread tomorrow 07/24/2006 ... my speculation is 17. Today was a pretty high count considering how long this thread has been around. Amazing it just won't fade away. People are just fascinated by the Shambles ... or, are they just easily goated when he pushes the buttons. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: kendall Date: 23 Jul 06 - 10:19 PM Who likes censorship you ask? I DO when it comes to spam, racism, personal attacks and your ceaseless carping about questions that have been answered time and time again. And my question goes unanswered. Are you real? You remind me of an old Star Trek episode.."I am Landrew" (A machine) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 23 Jul 06 - 09:18 PM Does The Mudcat Cafe or our discussion forum set aside on it - stand for censorship? Has it anything at all to do with being pro-censorship? No of course it does not. So why have we reached a stage on our forum where it appears that asking for all posters to be treated equally and for them to be openly be allowed to decide for themselves what to read, respond to or ignore is bad? Or where being seen to be anti-censorship and to make a stand against censorship is running an anti-censorship campaign and this is a bad thing? Who then is running a censorship is good campaign? For in some posters eyes - (and encouraged by this current siege mentalty on the part of our 'moderators') - to post anti-censorship views is now seen to be exactly the same thing as posting anti-Mudcat views. If you are seen to post an anti-censorship view - some loyal mudcat member will feel they are showing this loyalty by telling you to go away and form another forum -if you don't like censorship? ....Who does like censorship? With this new step-up in censorship announced in this thread - any thread started on the subject of censorship - will now be seen by the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team as a "complaint thread' and be limited, rationed and automatically closed.......... Perhaps the few posters who now seem obsessed with thinking that censorship, restrictions, divisions and finding ways to prevent posters from saying what they wish and preventing other from reading it - is what our discussion forum is now about - can go away and leave the rest of us - (I suggest it is the the majority of us) in peace and to discuss what we wish? In the meantime - can they please ensure that ALL imposed censorship actions are openly indicated and explained - to enable our forum to know the true nature and extent of censorship - so we all then have the evidence to decide if all this is really proportionate? You're Free, Roger!!!!Post all you want, say anything you want - just keep it in one thread, just like most people do.Don't be paranoid. You don't get deleted, Roger - you just get consolidated. Oh, and if you post a blank message, expect it to be deleted. Contrary to Bert's opinion, Joe and the clones think that blank messages were posted either by mistake, or for obnoxious reasons. If you wish to say "no comment," say "no comment." -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Grab Date: 23 Jul 06 - 08:43 PM With an editing comment from the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team like the following inserted into this thread - should it really be much of a surprise if I were to sound more than a little paranoid? In a word, yes. You've gone out of your way to waste the time of the "Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team". If you're then surprised that the "Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team" imposes restrictions on how much of his time you can waste, then you really haven't grasped cause and effect. But special treatment to individual named posters or groups (be it preferential or discriminatory) cannot. Rubbish - of course it can. A moderator is someone who's proved themselves reasonably sensible and able to be trusted with the job of filtering out the crap. Every functioning forum (with no exceptions) has them. So that's your preferential treatment right there, because Joe and Jane Newbie don't get that ability. Every functioning forum (again, bar none) also has the ability to block known spammers - there's your discriminatory treatment too. Oh, about your earlier post. I apologise unreservedly for saying that Max and Joe told you to fuck off and get a life. How stupid of me to paraphrase them that way, when they were less crude and more expressive. Joe actually said "I'm sick of your shit" and that you were a "buffoon" - since you're so insistent on exact words, I presume these are accurate descriptions of you and the content of your posts? And Max actually requested that you should leave the Mudcat, his precise words to you being "you too should bid farewell", which is not capable of any other interpretation. If you think there's some other interpretation, I'd really love to hear the logic behind it. Otherwise, given how much you previously attached to the exact text of Max's "Rules", I'd equally love to know why you've not followed that request. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Slag Date: 23 Jul 06 - 08:40 PM It always helps to define your terms at the beginning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bert Date: 23 Jul 06 - 08:33 PM I know I've said this before but it didn't take, so here goes again. If somebody starts a thread or posts a message and says "posted without comment" (I know our friend Dick Greenhaus has done that in the past) then THAT is allowed. But if someone posts without comment simply by leaving the message blank, then some damned trigger happy editor (who doesn't have the intelligence to realise that no message can also mean no comment) comes along and deletes it. For those of you WITH low intelligence, NO MESSAGE can also mean NO COMMENT. Here it is again 'cos I know that you missed it the last time that I mentioned it. For those of you WITH low intelligence, NO MESSAGE can also mean NO COMMENT. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: kendall Date: 23 Jul 06 - 08:18 PM Shambles, a serious question for you. How about all members be polled and asked if you should go or stay. Would you agree to abide by their decision? You know I would vote you off the island in a heartbeat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Slag Date: 23 Jul 06 - 07:37 PM Shaum-blaise' (Shambles). I figured out where my post went. I have an old Compaq Presario and Windows 98 which glitches and crashes with amazing regularity. I've had this happen before where I'll have a partial crash and/or the connection drops out. With certain online games its really maddening be cause you are playing away and nothing is really registering. Regardless it was "No biggy" because I made my same points elsewhere. Where is the hypocracy in that? (see SRO at Eden's Gate). As for the rest, it's a rather tedious arguement. If your post gets squelched, try to figure out why and then rephrase your comment. If you can't do that then just consider this: Your idea or comment managed to negatively impress at least one person to the extent that they thought it best that it didn't appear here. Hey how about a third tier forum? THE TOILET. Issue a PW protected pass for those who really want to go mucking about in the sewer, getting all indignant and infuriated over stupid stuff that should have never been said in the first place. See above re THE MUDCARP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jul 06 - 07:25 PM Please can we have it that all stupid rude and contentious threads started by Guests shall be automatically deleted? Yes, Giok! That would be GREAT! Though, we probably wouldn't need it if we went to members only posting in the BS. Joe, thanks for outing the troll. IMO, each one like that needs to be exposed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Sorcha Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:45 PM And IMO, Joe is doing the RIGHT thing by 'outing' these members. I did it ONE TIME...he didn't out me, but I fessed up cause I felt so badly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:45 PM any proof joe? because i can assure you, you are very wrong. you have misled here, and i think i know why too... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: jacqui.c Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:43 PM Good for you Joe - we lose Martin and another idiot takes his place. Ah well, at least we're now aware of this one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:43 PM "secret agent" ??? *grin*.. My newsreader is Agent...but it's no secret. My cover as a determined old curmudgeon was blown a long time ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Sorcha Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:35 PM THANK you Joe!!!!! You go, guy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: John MacKenzie Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:35 PM And I'll tackle the Gaelic Mafia here. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Peace Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:34 PM Bill D: Secret Agent Ya know, this thread is really gonna blow yer cover. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:31 PM you have just learned something, 'clairerise'..... Roger:"How can any poster express an informed opinion on the current level of imposed censorship (especially a favourable one or think it proportionate) if is not recorded when and where it occurs and there is consequently no way they can know what this level is" ...and how can a citizen of the USA or the UK express an informed opinion on the operations of the CIA and MI5 if they are not privy to the details and given regular explanations of their actions? I think you ought to start a campaign to stop all this secrecy in MI5, and if it works, I'll work on the CIA here! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Jul 06 - 06:07 PM
Posted By: clairerise 23-Jul-06 - 02:45 PM Thread Name: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads i was just posting on the 'are girls easy' thread, and it dissapeared. Why is it allowed to have threads that ask 'are all men perverts?, but not 'are all girls easy? For the record: Clairerise anonymously started the following threads with blank messages:
Clairerise, you may have been attempting to be funny, but what you accomplished was more manipulative and deceptive than funny. Don't do it again. All three threads have been deleted. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Peace Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:35 PM "peace i think there is more offensive material in that thread than punctuation." Sarcasm is not my long suit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:34 PM I deleted one post which was blank. It was the only thing in the thread, so the whole thread went. God Jeri - you must be really bored. Why not go and make some music instead? If you really had to do something - (and I often think the result of all this is a mad race to see which of our guardians can get there first) - the thread could have been just closed. Then our forum and the originator would be aware that some form of censorship action had been imposed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:34 PM peace i think there is more offensive material in that thread than punctuation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:33 PM this was the point i was trying to get to john. Although i see now, your more honest direct way is better. I found the easy girl and all men sexual perverts threads equally offensive, and i find it offensive that the moderators obviously think it is ok to bash men and not women. When in fact, that kind of crude attacking of men or women is simply uncalled for and should be deleted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Peace Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:33 PM I agree with you, Giok. However, what I find most offensive is the GUEST's poor grasp of English. The thread title poses a question, and it's accepted in written English that one will indicate so with the use of end punctuation, in this case a question mark. I very seldom take anyone's written English to task because I find that rude and unnecessarily pedantic on a forum. However, that poster should read a style book and try to understand some basic conventions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: John MacKenzie Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:26 PM While I don't want to add fuel to the fire, I must agree that I also found the 'Are all men sexual perverts' thread offensive too, and wish that it had been removed. Please can we have it that all stupid rude and contentious threads started by Guests shall be automatically deleted? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:20 PM Now, what the fuck are any of you doing that you have the TIME and DESIRE to read about every little bit of editing which is done on this site???!!! One would think that is ALL you come here to read. This moderate language from a volunteer 'moderator' who has publicly stated that she would like to see me banned......... If I joined a club and found I did not like the rules I MAY in the first instance query why the rules are what they are. In the days when I first joined our forum - there were no rules. What would you do if some of your fellow members did not like this and started to impose their rules and restrictions, which you did not agree with? Would you stay and try to hold your ground for something you valued and felt part of or would you just give up and leave? However, if I discovered that they are what they are because the majority of the members want them that way, I would leave the club never to return and perhaps start my own for people who shared my views. How would you establish what the majority do want? And why would you consider this would make any difference - for it has been pointed out many times that our forum is not a democracy. Whenever any form of poll has been conducted in the past - the majority of posters are not in favour of censorship. Why not start a thread to find out what the majority of posters want - asking a question like - 'Are you in favour of more or less imposed censorship'? The noisy few in this thread who consider they are in the majority may be in for a surprise........But as imposed censorship is not always currently indicated where it occurs - there would still be the problem that few if any posters have any real idea what the current level of censorship is and many posters (on the music related section esprcially) are still under the mistaken impression that there is none. An impression that many appear happy to try and leave leave them with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Jeri Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:16 PM I deleted one post which was blank. It was the only thing in the thread, so the whole thread went. If you'd like to start another thread with an actual post with words and punctuation and stuff, I'm sure the usual troll-friendly people will come along and play. They'd already posted in the male thread, which is why that one didn't disappear when the initial non-post got deleted. If you want to wind people up, it would be nice if you'd at least attempt to look like you put some work into it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: SINSULL Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:12 PM 200 I always wanted to do that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: SINSULL Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:11 PM 99 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: SINSULL Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:09 PM So - how go the fish cakes, gnu? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:05 PM clairerise: Would it be too much to ask you to write sentences that actually begin with capital letters? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:02 PM 'So Thanks Mudelfs and Thanks Joe for dealing with the Flamer last night quickly and stelth like.' I hope the posters have been permanently blocked too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:01 PM It is quite simple, clairerise. It perfectly acceptable to start a thread calling Men but not one calling Women. It perfectly acceptable to start a thread calling Moslems but not one calling Jews. It perfectly acceptable to start a thread calling English but not one calling Irish. It perfectly acceptable to start a thread calling Whites but not one calling Blacks. As long as you are aware of what is and is not PC you will get on OK. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 04:42 PM dont be silly. you cant say threads called 'are all girls easy' is offensive and 'are all men perverts' isnt. What is it that means the latter can stay, but the former cant |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Hillheader Date: 23 Jul 06 - 04:39 PM If I joined a club and found I did not like the rules I MAY in the first instance query why the rules are what they are. However, if I discovered that they are what they are because the majority of the members want them that way, I would leave the club never to return and perhaps start my own for people who shared my views. I am not a major player on this site, but I do like it and find it well moderated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Jul 06 - 04:29 PM Most things anyone does are personally motivated, unless they are forced to do it by someone else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 23 Jul 06 - 04:20 PM clairerise, you know very well the reason the easy girls thread was removed was because it was offensive. Simple as. Just like Slag's had assumed (wrongly as it turned out) that their post was censored. To prevent all this inevitable public paranoid reaction and guessing - why cannot any and all imposed censorship action be recorded and the reason for it briefly explained? None of what I have seen here has even attempted to address what was so offensive about the long-running Affected by the Licensing Act 2003 thread that it had to be immediately subject to imposed closure by the chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. And of course it is totally paranoid for anyone to think that this editing action may have been personally motivated. When it is perfectly obvious to the entire forum that it is......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: gnu Date: 23 Jul 06 - 04:12 PM Soooo... just thought I would drop by and add my two cents. I very seldom read Shambles' posts or threads, but I felt, this time, I had something to contribute. I just finished cooking up a huge batch of fish cakes... not salt cod... salt Alaskan Pollock! I actually bought it by mistake. Thought it was cod. We'll see how they turn out. Hey, at half the price, even a mistake is worth a try. Almost like clicking on this thread and reading a few of the last posts. I hope my fishcakes turn out better. Well, that's it, really. Except for... J H C !! Would you give it up already?!! Go do something useful, like make some fishcakes or something. F***! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:39 PM clairerise, you know very well the reason the easy girls thread was removed was because it was offensive. Simple as. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:37 PM You strike me as a troll You strike me as a troll. I asked a question which you can't answer and now you call me a troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: katlaughing Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:36 PM But imo, having that message would tell that poster to cease his/her posting of such vile messages because we at Mudcat are aware he or she is doing it and in no way do we condone it. Any response to the "vile" messages feeds into the egos of those who post them. It calls attention to them whether intentional or not. Now, what the fuck are any of you doing that you have the TIME and DESIRE to read about every little bit of editing which is done on this site???!!! One would think that is ALL you come here to read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:30 PM If someone claps their hands on a thread about deleted posts & closed threads, does anyone hear it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: kendall Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:24 PM I do know, and if your IQ is over 60, so do you. You strike me as a troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:21 PM Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: kendall - PM Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:11 PM Madam, or Miss, if you can't see the difference, no amount of explanation will do a bit of good. In other words, you don't know. Or you do, but you won't say |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:14 PM Oh, I sincerely hope not! Any reason for that sincere hope? How can any poster express an informed opinion on the current level of imposed censorship (especially a favourable one or think it proportionate) if is not recorded when and where it occurs and there is consequently no way they can know what this level is? If there is nothing to hide in these censorship actions - where then is the harm in recording where and why they have taken place? And if those who currently feel themselve qualified to impose such judgements do not want to be open in their dealings - perhaps such imposition should stop? As this recent step-up in unrecorded deletions is said to be in response to the wishes of Mudcatters - perhaps the wishes of all Mudcatters can first be sought in poll - to ascertain if this is in fact the wishes of Mudcatters? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: kendall Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:13 PM Shambles, you are certainly not a moron. Your problem goes much deeper than that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: kendall Date: 23 Jul 06 - 03:11 PM Madam, or Miss, if you can't see the difference, no amount of explanation will do a bit of good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 02:53 PM can any of the moderators please answer, why i was just posting on the 'are girls easy' thread, and it dissapeared. Why is it allowed to have threads that ask 'are all men perverts?, but not 'are all girls easy? This is another case of deleting a thread but with double standards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 23 Jul 06 - 02:51 PM "Can all forms of imposed censorship actions in future be indicated and a brief explanation provided?" Oh, I sincerely hope not! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 23 Jul 06 - 02:46 PM Roger you are making less and less sense with every post, your 10:29 is totally paranoid. *Smiles* With an editing comment from the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team like the following inserted into this thread - should it really be much of a surprise if I were to sound more than a little paranoid? Shambles, the "Mudcat Update from Max" thread has nothing to do with deleted posts - but you posted links to this "deleted posts" thread seven times in that thread and all seven were deleted. I deleted the "Boo" for good measure,since it didn't have anything to do with the thread. Your campaign against Mudcat editing is restricted to one active thread at a time. This restriction has become necessary because of your long history of posting the same thing over and over again, oftentimes in threads that have nothing to do with your topic of choice. Say what you want, but restrict your comments on Mudcat editing to one thread. Once that thread is no longer active, you may post comments on another thread that deals with Mudcat editing, or you may start another thread. This restriction applies only to you, and only to the subject of Mudcat editing policy. It is necessary because of your long history of abuse, and because of your repeated failure to comply with requests that you limit your practice of copy-pasting the same information in multiple threads. Reasonable duplication and "thread drift" is certainly acceptable, but not for you - you have repeatedly gone far beyond what anyone would consider to be reasonable, and your posts have therefore been placed on restriction. It is important for people to understand that these restrictions apply only to you, and that they are a result of your long history of abuse. If you make good use of your one-thread allowance and don't attempt to play games with the restrictions placed upon you, I'm sure you can say everything you need to say on the issue. -Joe Offer- Equal treatment by 'moderators' to all posters can be defended without accusations of personal bias and without making the whole forum paranoid. But special treatment to individual named posters or groups (be it preferential or discriminatory) cannot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 23 Jul 06 - 02:45 PM i was just posting on the 'are girls easy' thread, and it dissapeared. Why is it allowed to have threads that ask 'are all men perverts?, but not 'are all girls easy? This is another case of deleting a thread but with double standards. |