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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: clairerise Date: 27 Jul 06 - 03:35 PM the problem is that deleted posts are just not consistent by those not deleted. for instance, like i showed yesterday, much to joe's dissaproval, a thread entitled 'are all men sexual perverts' got a full days postings, whereas the thread 'are all girls easy' got deleted instantly for been offensive. It is not consistent. What does this mean? That basically you have bigoted mods running the show. dont like the truth? tough
Your three threads were deleted by volunteer/Clones because they were simply empty messages, which the Clones have authority to delete. The men's thread had to wait for my review because it got responses before the Clones got to it - I deleted it because it was started under deceptive and manipulative premises. Not inconsistent - it just doesn't follow YOUR predictions. The topics, while they may have been distasteful, weren't the reason for deletion - they were deleted because YOU were playing manipulative games. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:55 PM When my kids were two or three the game was to ask "Why?" to every answer. Great fun if you are two or three. Do we have a case of arrested development going on here? Are we explaining simple truths to idiots or game players? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:13 AM The following long-running thread Affected by the Licensing Act 2003 was without any prior consultation with its originator or any other poster - subject to imposed closure. This thread - despite containing much important information and providing as it did a means to record the on-going effects on live music of this legislation - was atomatically closed by the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team when another poster started a new one. The Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has made his personal views of this issue on our forum very clear. In my view it has been a less than helpful approach and as indicated by the thread closure above - an inflexable and obstructive one. Where a pedantic approach (to his own rules) and a personal bias to some of the individuals invoved has overlooked the reality of the issue and the attempts posters have made to accomodate any concerns expressed about these threads on our forum. Given the step-up in my personal restrictions announced in this thread - will the same fate automatically be imposed on this thread - should another poster start a new thread on a similar subject? Not that I would wish to put any ideas into any of the 'usual suspect's' heads... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:09 AM Sorry Ebbie and Jon for showing any mean-spiritness. Not many minutes later. Perhaps Ebbie you wiil now be just as keen in castgating and bringing to shame other posters here - who you also judge to be showing mean- sprititness in this thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 27 Jul 06 - 05:50 AM Perhaps Ebbie you wiil now be just as keen in castgating and bringing to shame other posters here - who you also judge to be showing mean- sprititness in this thread? Or perhaps it is just as well for all of us to stop using our forum to judge the worth of each other? Do you not think that anonymously 'silently deleting' a fellow poster's contribution and providing no indication or reason for this imposed censorship action our forum - is about as mean-spirited as posters can get to one another? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 27 Jul 06 - 05:17 AM It doesn't bother me, Ebbie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 27 Jul 06 - 05:07 AM Pedant: A person who pays more attention to formal rules and book learning than they merit. It that the same thing as a buffon, idiot or an asshole - other names that have been publicly called by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. None of whose selective editing actions against my posts are of course to be thought of as in any way personally motivated......*Smiles* Nor those of those imposed by known 'moderators' like Mick, Jeri and kat who also post to say that wish me to be banned. I and our forum are of course expected to consider that any of their imposed censorship actions are totally objective........ And any imposed by the unknown number of anonymous fellow posters - many of whom could well form most of the usual suspects posting the usual abuse on this thread. Who knows? This was not my battle nor my choice of weaponry but should those who feel themselves qualified to impose (by silent deletion) their pedantic judgement upon others - really expect their actions not to to judged by the same terms in return? And feel that they are entitled to respond by setting the example that name-calling is now acceptable forum conduct? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:46 AM Sorry Ebbie and Jon for showing any mean-spiritness. And for this - which should read as follows And when a reason was given by our anonyomous 'moderators', it was that it was closed at the request of the originator |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: John MacKenzie Date: 27 Jul 06 - 04:42 AM Yes Joe I had exactly the same thought when I read it, but as we know consistency is not Roger's strong suit. When it comes to looking for spurious points to hang his endless banal arguments on, he is a right little Vicar of Bray [pun intended]. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 06 - 03:45 AM Shambles sez:
Need I say more? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 27 Jul 06 - 03:37 AM Dear Shambles, if you visited other forums such as concertina net, the organiser admits he is a dictator, you would appreciate the democracy on this forum, if you do go there most of the people are very friendly, but like all forums you will meet one or two bad apples, one or two people who need to get a life and also the king of pedants. Sadly it is always the pedants who tend to make the most noise. But tend not to like being subjected to the same noise themselves.... May those who live by pedantry and judgement - also die by pedantry and judgement!!! The 'organisers' and their few loyal supporters here will now willingly and even proudly tell you that there is no democracy on our forum. Some will even argue - despite the fact that our forum has always been freely open for the public's contribution by the site's owner - that is not our forum (but that it still would seem to be theirs). But it has always been the case that many have supported our forum and thought it to be special - in that it was possible for posters to post pretty much what they wish to - with no or very little interference from the site's owner. I just think that it is time for a little honesty. If this approach has changed and for whatever reason - and I have think I have demonstrated very clearly with this 'silent deletion' that it has changed - then it time to be open about this and not pretend. The reason our current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team does not wish all forms of imposed censorship to be recorded is that it will bring attention to this. For the first time then all poster will be able to see the forms imposed censorship which is now claimed to be undertaken in their name and in order to protect them. If it was all recorded and a very brief reason provide where and when any form of censorship was judged to be required - all posters would for the first time be able to judge for themselves if this censorship was proportionate. Would having this knowledge be such a bad thing? Thankyou for getting les cousins thread reopened.I enjoyed it. I think you misuderstand. I originated that thread a few years ago and I and others have refreshed it many times. This, all poster were able to do to all threads just by posting to it - until our 'moderators' were shown that they could subject threads to imposed closure (so that posters could then only post to them if they sent a PM and asked kindly if a thread could be re-opened). Recently (see my first post in this thread) many other threads where posters have been conducting a discussion have been closed. And when a reason was given by our anonyomous 'moderators', it was that it was closed at the request of the moderator. As if no other consideration mattered and this total respect to the thread originator's wishes would always be honoured by them and should be honoured by every other poster. My view would be that any originator making such a request should perhaps be told that they should have given it more thought when they started their thread. The thread you refer to has not (yet) been subject to imposed closure. I was making the point - as the thread's originator - by asking for it to be closed - that 'moderators' really do as THEY please and only selectively use such requests to justify imposing their (in some cases - possibly personally motivated) judgement to close certain posts on certain subjects. That thread was not closed - and even though its originator made the request for its closure - this request was ignored. Where in an earlier exchange - the perfectly respectable title I had chosen for a thread that I had originated was changed without my knowledge and against my wishes - and I was told by The Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team, that even as as the originator- I was not even entitled to choose that..... The rights of a thread's originator do seem to vary................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Ebbie Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:20 AM Shamblex, do you recognize the mean-spiritedness that allowed you to post that comment from Max? Frankly I hope you are ashamed of yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Big Mick Date: 26 Jul 06 - 06:35 PM What's this "we" stuff, bud. I don't know Roger personally. I only know him through his posts. I think he is destructive,creates problems we don't need, and tries to cover it up with a "nice" demeanor. When people start to ignore him, he frantically starts pulling up old threads and trolling for a reaction. The Shambles I see in his posts is manipulative. I don't like that person and I wish him gone. I also don't care for the fact that many of you continue to feed this guy. But saying that is shouting in the wind. Go away, Shambles. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:59 PM And I'd like to say that Jon has done a wonderful job on his site, both the Annexe (http://jonbanjo.com/) and particularly folkinfo.org. He saw things at Mudcat that needed improvement, and he improved them. I especially like the way he has organized information on songs at folkinfo.org. He has also lent us space for MIDI files over the last year, since we haven't been able to upload to Mudcat MIDIs. So I, for one, had a gread deal of respect and affection for John. I don't dislike you either, Shambles - I just don't like you enough to see you post the same thing 3,672 times. It's not you, Roger, and it's not what you have to say - it's the frequency with which you say it that's the problem. We like you, Roger - but once is enough. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:24 PM from that link: " It is what you make it." and you, Shambles, have helped make it a place that needs a few rules, despite Max's causal, friendly off-the-cuff 'remark' of 6 years ago!. The rule that is applicable is: Although it would be nice to not edit and have 'mods', it is sometimes necessary, and Joe and his 'team' do have the authority to edit and/or delete when THEY deem it necessary!" Stomp your foot and declare "it aint right" all you please, Roger. A 6 year old attempt to be nice just isn't the overriding 'rule' any longer. Wolfgang makes a STONG metaphor with his 2 stories. It's too bad you don't see the wisdom inherent in them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: MMario Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:18 PM not to mention the post pointed to is almost 8 years old and was in reference specifically to the use of "BS:" as a thread identifier. oh - gee; an out of context qoute from The Shambles. How un-characteristic! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Big Mick Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:10 PM From Max subsequent to that post: Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 04:05 PM http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=36166 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Big Mick Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:53 PM And you should go away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:49 PM As far as I understand it, the volunteers are working to the site owners wishes and the site owner feels you should go away. You and both? I seem to remember that the site owner has been rather more forthright in his public opinion of you....? [PM] Max Mudcat, Please organise these threads! (90* d) RE: 10 Feb 04 GUEST,Jon is right, there are many differing opinions here at the Mudcat. For instance, Jon's opinion is that his site is a "rival" to Mudcat. My opinion is that Jon is flattering himself with such status, and that he's an asshole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:15 PM oh and just for the record: Jon on your own site - you make the rules or can choose to ignore any when you feel like it. If you do not personally like a contributor to your site - you can judge and treat them as you wish as you do not have to answer to anyone. Acutally I don't hold that outright power anywhere, not even on the sites you might be considering to be my sites, although I do have an administration say in a couple of places. Anyway time for me to make another attempt at keeping out of all these shambles debates... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 02:51 PM But our forum does not belong to any of our so-called 'moderators'. They are only supposed to be following policy made by the owner and working withing certain guidelines. Not deciding which posters they may like and who they do not and treating them accordingly As far as I understand it, the volunteers are working to the site owners wishes and the site owner feels you should go away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Sandman Date: 26 Jul 06 - 02:08 PM Dear Shambles, if you visited other forums such as concertina net, the organiser admits he is a dictator, you would appreciate the democracy on this forum, if you do go there most of the people are very friendly, but like all forums you will meet one or two bad apples, one or two people who need to get a life and also the king of pedants.Thankyou for getting les cousins thread reopened.I enjoyed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:47 PM So you do comfirm you are just demonstrating that you can provoke a rection from the mods then. No - but I must 'fess-up' to the post with BOO! in it - after the link that I had been trying to post had been 'silently deleted' 7 times........... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: John MacKenzie Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:41 PM "The biggest lie of course in this thread - stated I fear, only to stir-up support for yet more restrictions - is the suggestion that it is some way unfair - as my posts in this thread are crowding it out and in some way preventing other posters from saying what they may wish to. Gosh Roger I don't believe it, someone started a thread with an ulterior motive; I'd never have known if you hadn't told me. I bet you wouldn't do an underhand thing like that would you? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: number 6 Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:03 PM Does anyone actually read these posts from Shambles?? sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: MMario Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:01 PM actually - if you read joe's post that you refer to in your first post of this thread - he says you can stat a new thread if you have anything NEW. Not a new thread on the same old same old. As usual, you are sticking your own interpretation on other peoples words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Big Mick Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:00 PM One of the wishes of the owner is that you leave. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 11:56 AM So you do comfirm you are just demonstrating that you can provoke a rection from the mods then. That you are prepared to inflict all this stuff on Mudcat just to prove this. Jon - perhaps you did not read the first post in this thread. As in the middle of all this silliness - I would appear to have been granted permission to start a new thread on this subject by Joe Offer – I think I will. I think it important that posters on our forum are aware of the true extent of the personally motivated censorship on our forum. What you feel about it is a matter for you. But I suspect that it may be as well to express your view now and in this thread – as you may not get the chance to do so again. These are my honest views and suggestions. Nothing is being inflicted on anyone is it? No one has to open this thread do they?. Its subject is clearly indicated in its title - so there is there an excuse for any anonymous fellow poster to imposed another title of their choice? The biggest lie of course in this thread - stated I fear, only to stir-up support for yet more restrictions - is the suggestion that it is some way unfair - as my posts in this thread are crowding it out and in some way preventing other posters from saying what they may wish to. It is of course a lie as this thread (unless it is subject to imposed closure) can go on as demonstrated in other long-running threads which have escaped attention from our guardians. And the little box will expand to accomodated anything anyone wishes to post in it. So there is room for all views - and that was the point of starting this thread. I have not posted any abusive personal attacks, not responded in kind to the many I am subject to and not protected from, - so why exactly do you consider I have gotten off lightly? As (unlike many of those who judge and accuse me) I have not actually done anything to warrant any form of imposed censorship. Some of the so-called 'moderators' post abusive personal attacks at me and encourage other poster to do this by setting the example that such posts are acceptable. At least three of the known 'moderators' have publicly stated that they are of the opinion that I should be banned (but what terrible 'crime' this punishment is for - is not specified). And amazingly the claim is made (and even more amazing accepted) that none of this special treatment reserved for me by some of these so-called 'moderators', is personally motivated. And you consider that I am getting off lightly! For what terrible 'crime' exactly? Jon on your own site - you make the rules or can choose to ignore any when you feel like it. If you do not personally like a contributor to your site - you can judge and treat them as you wish as you do not have to answer to anyone. But our forum does not belong to any of our so-called 'moderators'. They are only supposed to be following policy made by the owner and working withing certain guidelines. Not deciding which posters they may like and who they do not and treating them accordingly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 07:50 AM If the 'moderators' did not feel they had to react but maintain a pretence that this was not happening - there would be nothing for me to demonstrate - would there? So you do comfirm you are just demonstrating that you can provoke a rection from the mods then. That you are prepared to inflict all this stuff on Mudcat just to prove this. Amazing. Tell me why you feel so victimised when your demonstrations eventually provide the result you desire to happen? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM All that you are demonstrating is that if pushed hard enough for long enough, the mods may act. If the 'moderators' did not feel they had to react but maintain a pretence that this was not happening - there would be nothing for me to demonstrate - would there? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Wolfgang Date: 26 Jul 06 - 06:58 AM He can't have things his way, so he tries to make certain other people's lives miserable. (Jeri) I've read last weekend a feature about a man in Germany who moved to a little village (some 60 houses) many years ago. He is what most people would consider a learned man, a teacher by profession. He felt slighted by some of the 'native' inhabitants one day. There surely was a nucleus of truth to this feeling. It happens in villages that those who always have been there at first are not nice to newcomers. The man felt hurt and felt not taken serious so he complained and was still not taken serious. Then he started to document each instance of when others in his opinion violated the rules. He taped their conversations in order to be able to replay what they had said one day to demonstrate that at times they were inconsistent and that what they said one day was different from what they had said the other day. He started to videotape them when they parked on the wrong spot etc. He brought his neighbours to court each time he could find a reason. They reacted too the same way (at least to stop him (video)taping them without their knowledge. Now his day is filled with noting all the transgressions there are and to write reports or to respond to reports. The village is filled with hate and mistrust by now and the judge responsible for reports from that village needs help for he can't deal with all the cases. The teacher in an interview claimed that he doesn't know how all that came and that he has nothing to do with it. He only reacts to the provocations and tries very ratiopnally to show the other villagers the mistakes and wrong accusations they have made. In particular, he likes to point out any inconsistencies in their behaviour towards him and others he perceives. No, he doesn't want to move because he feels well there. If only the others would stop their ways of treating him unfairly everything could be as good as it was when he first came there. He liked that atmosphere and would love to have it back. No, he doesn't like to do with what now his days are filled, he'd rather have more time for his hobbies if only the others would leave him in peace. Another German story: A German living in Latin America feels that once the state of Germany has done injustice to him. All his moves to get an apology or to find a court to revise the decision have failed. But he can't give up when he feels injustice has been done. So he seeks a way to do as much damage to Germany as he can. He finds a loophole in the German laws. He can adopt legally as many people as he wants. By adoption these people become Germans and have in principle a right to social welfare money. So he adopts in Latin America some thousand adults from there (perhaps even 10,000 by now) and asks for German passports and for social welfare money. The German government says no (against a literal reading of the law) and a German court agrees with the government decision (the letter of the law is just one factor in German courts). He now feels again that injustice has been done to him and only him for he knows several dozen cases where adoptions in Latin America have been acknowledged by the German authorities. So he knows that the law is bent only in his case, for such a minor difference like between 10,000 and say 2 adoptions should not have the consequence of treating him differently. So he now knows for sure that not only the German authorities but also the courts are biased only in his special case. He now seeks a way to tranfer his adopted children to Germany all at the same time but he has not been successful yet. Sorry for the thread creep. I don't know why these two real life stories came into my mind when reading the sentence I have quoted. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: John MacKenzie Date: 26 Jul 06 - 06:42 AM "Instead of making all this fuss - why not simply let adult posters decide for themselves what they wish to read, respond or ignore?" Maybe if you grow up we could try it Roger. G. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:43 AM As I am subjected to most of it - I can at least try to demonstrate the true nature and level of this..... shambles, you push the moderators more than any other poster. My own assesment of what you say has happened is that you have been getting off lightly. All that you are demonstrating is that if pushed hard enough for long enough, the mods may act. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Grab Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:33 AM As I am subjected to most of it As the most prolific troll here, it's not really surprising. The only reason I can see that you're doing this here is because you'd get a punch in the nose for doing it in real life. I repeat: What part of "You too, should bid farewell" didn't you follow? I note that you haven't had the gall (pun intended - boy is that ever an appropriate name!) to try and wriggle out of that one. If you really think that a poster is posting just to get a reaction. Why then oblige with one? Fine. See ya. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 05:07 AM Yet you seem to believe you offer one? As I am subjected to most of it - I can at least try to demonstrate the true nature and level of this..... If none is ever openly indicated where and when it takes place - with our new stepped-up 'silent deletion' - our forum could be under the mistaken view that there was none. I suggest many posters are still under this impression. If it was always indicated when and where it was judged neccesary to impose and why - the blank spaces and closed threads - may then give the view that there was far too much. But we know that most cures and medications have side-effects so there is little point in trying to pretend otherwise is there? If there is nothing to hide - then why not be open about it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:31 AM I do not expect those who I may have a difference of opinions on to be banned and publicly call for this - as if such a thing will solve all problems. I do not like the public calls for banning or related suggestions such as voting either... As it is more than possible to simply ignore posts that are not to your taste. Well some posters seem to do thier best to ensure they are not ignored by starting multiple threads and repeat posts... I do agree with you up to a point, that many of us could do better at ignoring some stuff. Mudcat is a troll's paradise - there is no doubt about that. Again, IMO much of it really does come down to users driving the mods into action though and I don't think you will change the userbase now. But as I maintain - no poster will be ever be able to an informed opinion on the true nature and level of censorship... Yet you seem to believe you offer one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 03:09 AM shambles, the way the forum does largely work to the way these people want. The editing, closure and deleting features that Mudcat has displease YOU, not them. The difference is that I and many others - are prepared to accept the limitations of a forum that is open to the public. And accept that they will not see things only to their taste from like-minded people. I do not expect those who I may have a difference of opinions on to be banned and publicly call for this - as if such a thing will solve all problems. As it is more than possible to simply ignore posts that are not to your taste. I suspect that 'these people' are may only be pleased with the 'editing, closure and deleting features' to the extent that it is me and other posters who are subject to them and 'these people' (currently) are not. As for our forum working as 'these people' want - from their constant moaning and scapegoating and requests for more and more restrictions to be imposed on others - it would be difficult to tell 'these people' were content - as you maintain they are. But as I maintain - no poster will be ever be able to an informed opinion on the true nature and level of censorship if it is the sinister sounding 'silent deletion'. All that is required on our forum - is not one of (a few select) like-minded people - but a return to an open and fair structure which with no fuss or judgement - simply keeps out of the way and enables posters to be seen to agree to disagree. And if 'these people' do not like Max's model - they are always free to form their own private members club. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 02:23 AM If all these posters - like the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team are so unhappy with what most of there efforts have turned our forum into and pi***d with who they currently have to share posting on it with - why do they stay? shambles, the way the forum does largely work to the way these people want. The editing, closure and deleting features that Mudcat has displease YOU, not them. As I've said before, if you really do want to go back in time, I will happily write you a "clone" of the Mudcat Help forum which is the Mudcat forum as you want it. I will even host it for you. Then you can have your own place exactly as you want it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jul 06 - 02:06 AM If all these posters - like the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team are so unhappy with what most of there efforts have turned our forum into and pi***d with who they currently have to share posting on it with - why do they stay? There is nothing stopping them getting together and starting their own site - where they will not have to share it with anyone not to their tastes. I suspect that if they did finally find the courage to do this - they would still find something to moan about and someone to scapegoat and blame. Why should our forum be further turned into this private members club because a noisy minority do not like the fact that it is not already one and remains freely open to the public - as it always has done and as Max obviously wants it to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:50 AM Kat's example and 2 of Bills examples are vbulletin. It is an off the shelf one but a commercial one. It's rekoned to be good though - I know my web host likes it and thinks phpbb(see below) a bit limited. The one Bill described as off the shelf is one I wouldn't touch unless really stuck because it is "database less" as they call it. phpbb is a very popular decent off the shelf free board. All of these boards use php which can be used on Windows, Linux and others. MySQL is probably the preferred database for both "proper" forum systems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 26 Jul 06 - 12:37 AM yeah, banning should be ONLY by the administrators....but they can take suggestions... ;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jul 06 - 10:34 PM Another good example of an elegant forum, imo, is Talk Classical. You can see a list of options, including how to "ignore" certain posters, edit your own posts, rate threads, etc. on their FAQ about usage page. I do agree with sIx about the voting off bit. I wouldn't like to see that happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 06 - 09:54 PM And for the semi-technically inclined, there are off-the-shelf, plug-in forums available. So, don't say "I'd love to have my own forum and run it MY way, but I don't know how." Here's your chance! Maybe that's what "ignorancesucks" did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: number 6 Date: 25 Jul 06 - 09:31 PM Good post Jeri, I agree with you with all of your post with the exception of .... "If, for example, 10 people voted to zap somebody, then they'd be off the island." I'm sure 1 inidividual could easily round up a posse of 10 to vote some hapless, innocent victim they just happen to disagree with, or just don't like. Unfortuanetly humans tend to congregate in groups of similarity and being human, they can be a bit too irrational. It is obvious to all, who are the head aches here in the Cat, and the ones who act like occasional jerks (myself included) ... occassional jerks you can ignore, head aches, well they are like an ongoing migraine, who needs them. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 06 - 09:25 PM (you would note, if you followed any of those links, that many 'features' are prefaced by "The administrator may allow"...or enable...or permit...certain privileges.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 06 - 09:21 PM I am aware that the programming language and technical aspects might limit what Mudcat could do...but we need ideas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 06 - 09:18 PM re: What Jeri said and sort of suggested. Here is a (seemingly fairly new) forum that discusses some controversial subjects. Though I'm not sure I care for the precise divisions, I was struck by the structure and rules. They have features some of us have dreamed about, including 'ignore' and registration in order to post. The FAQ. 1st area in the FAQ They have PMs and an NEAT email system...... There may be some ideas in it that are worth considering. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: katlaughing Date: 25 Jul 06 - 08:40 PM Me, too, Jacqui! Well-put, Jeri! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Deleted posts & closed threads From: jacqui.c Date: 25 Jul 06 - 08:07 PM I agree with Jeri. |