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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Jon Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:44 AM I think there was a difference between the Dublin brew and the English brew. It always seemed creamier, although the joy of being in Ireland might have helped... I do like Guiness but I've given up with it, It's pushing towards £3 per pint here and I can get a really good bitter for maybe £2.20. If I do drink a stout these days, it is usualy in the Shed (the pub I mentioned earlier) and not one of the Irish types. Of all the Irish stouts, my favourite was Beamish but, at least as far as I understand it, they changed the recipe when they started calling it "Beamish Black". It's seemed to become more Guinness like in taste. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:45 AM I'll have to get round to having a pint of somthing one of these days. I'm long overdue |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: ossonflags Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:13 AM Well you could kill two birds with the one fiver in a months time when we are due to play at Durty Nelleys again. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Mr Fox Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:38 AM The worst liquid masquerading as beer HAS to be the UK version of Budweiser - a nasty British imitation of a nasty American imitation of a decent Czech beer. Bud going down tastes like real ale coming up. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: The Walrus Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:39 PM "...Bud going down tastes like real ale coming up... " That, Mr Fox, is an insult ... to regurgitated real ale. W |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: artbrooks Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:42 PM Mudcatter Alaska Mike (Mike Campbell) has a great song with a refrain which begins Put that Budweiser back in the Clydesdale, which is a perfect place for it. {Can this thread go back on top now?} |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: catspaw49 Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:45 PM Y'all are fucked up right and proper for sure. Gimmee a can of Bud!! Them boys put the date right on the can so ya' know ya' got a fresh one. 'Sides, them Anheuser-Busch folks dump about a ton of money into racing in general and NASCAR in particular and that's a shitload more important then taste anytime. >>>> 8 >>>> |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: alanabit Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:52 PM You're a brave man 'Spaw, but I worries 'bout you sometimes... |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Judge Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:57 PM Nothing better than a cold pint of Fosters. You lot slag it off and say it comes from a "factory". You don't drink it so how do you know so much about it's flavour etc. As for coming in metal containers so does all draught beer. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:26 PM Nowt wrong with a pint of the old kangaroo piss if your just back from a week in the bush, Judge. As to As for coming in metal containers so does all draught beer there is a nice article here disproving that theory. Hic. DtG |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:37 PM I shall do that then, me owd 'oss! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Judge Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:30 PM Interesting article Dave. However in the UK there are strict EU rgulations governing beer containers. Wood is NOT ALLOWED unless it has a plastic lining! This defeats the object of having wood in the first place. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:57 PM There must be some good Aussie beer. Any nominations? So I know what to ask for next time I'm in a Aussie eatery |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Bobby The Brewer Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:07 PM See BBC article It reveals lots of chemicals in our beer - but not in the purest of pure Carlsberg! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Folkiedave Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:46 PM Gimmee a can of Bud!! Why do they serve Bud so cold? To distinguish it from gnats' piss. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: ossonflags Date: 01 Aug 06 - 05:53 AM "Camerons Strongarm" the true path !!!! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Paul Burke Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:11 AM Dis gustibus est dis Bud sputum. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Dave Hanson Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:23 AM FOSTERS?............. FOSTERS for fucks sake, are you some sort of moron ? it's super chilled shite, I know desparate alcoholics who won't drink it. eric |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:29 AM *LOL* |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Jon Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:32 AM I don't think it is quite that bad. I'll drink Fosters, even if not just desparate for a drink. It's far from my first choice of drink though. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Bob Darthen Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:32 AM Fosters is a lovely lager. What do you mean by "super chilled" surely it would be ice if that were the case. How do you know it tastes like shite? It's obvious to me who the moron is. BTW do you have a beard? |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Edward Bridge Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:44 AM Foster's is a light golden colour with medium malt character. It has a subtle hop bitterness achieved from hopping the beer as late as possible to capture all the flavour of the unique "Pride of Ringwood" hops. With a delicate fruity hop aroma and balanced taste. Foster's rolls off the tongue leaving a clean crisp finish. It is the biggest selling beer in London. It is brewed by Scottish & Newcatle Brewery. The ingredients are: Water, Malted Barley, Maize, Wheat, Hops & Yeast Thats it! No chemicals as ignorant informed people will try to tell you. It is a truly great beer! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: manitas_at_work Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:13 AM Maize?!! What's wrong with just water, barley, hops and yeast? |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Edward Bridge Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:03 AM There is only a small amount of maize added for colouring - no artificial colours! Also a smidgeon of natural wheat, which encourages bottom fermenting yeast. It is a pure natural beer. The only thing added after brewing is CO2 which gives it a fizz which is not to everyone's taste, but most people enjoy this. The CO2 also acts as a preservative. There is nothing more refreshing on a hot summer day! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:14 AM "There is nothing more refreshing on a hot summer day!" there is.. cool pub cellar temp. conditioned natural draught cider !!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Edward Bridge Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:17 AM I must admit Folky Punky Rocker, I'd have to agree, real cider does have it's merits. Cider or lager in the hot weather (not together) Bitter or stout in winter. Whatever you fancy really. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Dave Masterson Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:25 AM Despite its nerdy image, if it weren't for CAMRA we probably wouldn't have any real ale these days. It was due to CAMRA that the shirts & ties in the brewing industry didn't get their way and nowadays a pub without real ale is the rarity. I remember in the early 70's if word got round that a pub had been found that still had hand pumps, there was a mad rush to get there before the brewery ripped everything out and 'modernised' it. Don't forget there's more to a pub than real ale. Even if it does serve decent beer, I don't get much pleasure from sitting in an establishment that looks more like an Indian restaurant than an English public house! Pubs that still look like pubs are few and far between these days. I think the older generation of pub landlords didn't die of old age, they died of broken hearts. Also the problem I find is that the number of landlords/managers (or whatever they're called this week) who know how to look after real ale seems to be disproportionate to the number of pubs serving it. The wonderful thing about British beer is the wide variety of tastes, each brew having its own distinctive flavour. I have been in a number of pubs where the beers, whatever you order, are drinkable (just) but all taste the same. Or, in the hot weather go flat after a couple of mouthfuls. Sorry to upset the purists, but in defence of lager, when the following criteria apply: a) in Greece b) 30+ degrees of heat (or thereabouts) c) in a taverna with a Greek salad in front of me ….. an ice cold Mythos goes down a treat! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Emma B Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:46 AM I have put up this web page on a previous thread but look out for the notice on the third photograph down! Link some of us will there this w'end too |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Beardy Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:48 AM I like both. A lot depends on the pub. A dirty glass can ruin any drink. These new glass washing machines are no good. The glasses end up with a fine film of detergent which kills any beer. Glasses used to be polished prior to EU hygiene rules. A good well balanced lager or a fine cask conditioned ale, both are excellent served up by a good landlord in a clean glass. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: mindblaster Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:50 AM I'm a real ale man myself. Youngs, Shepherd Neame, Adnams etc. But I do love a pint of cold fosters in the hot weather! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: mandotim Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:03 PM Please don't let my wife see this thread! She's a professional brewer of 25+ years standing, and is generally reckoned to have one of the best palates in the industry; she can pick out up to thirty different distinct tastes from a pint, tell you what ingredients were used, usually who brewed it and when. Her hobby is shredding beer bores, and it can get ugly. Her view is that beer should be well-produced, and that there should be a lot of variety in the market. Trouble is, a lot of 'real ale' is simply not very well produced at all, and a given brand may not taste the same from one brew to the next. Many beer drinkers confuse 'off' flavours with character, and are often drinking beer that has gone badly wrong in the brewing process. This can be due to a number of things; poor quality control of ingredients, poor water treatment (almost all brewers do this), bacterial and other infections, lack of temperature control, over/under use of additives ('adjuncts' in the trade), poor serving hygiene and yeast problems are some of the most common. Top pressure beers such as draught lagers avoid some of these problems, but not all. Personally, I like a pint of hand-pulled bitter (or mild when I can get it), but when it's really hot I like a cold lager too. For those dedicated souls who want to do some research in this area, can I recommend a stroll down St Edwards Street in Leek, Staffordshire? Four pubs in the Good Beer Guide, including the local Pub of the Year, plus a superb Belgian Beer Bar and a Tapas Bar, all within 200 yards of each other; and you can plan your stroll so that it's all downhill. If you do decide to take up this research, I'll be in the Wilkes Head, and you can buy me a pint of Hartington Bitter! (Purely in the interests of science, you understand!) Tim |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: artbrooks Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:30 PM Fosters on tap is rare (but not unknown) in the States. What we usually see is the BIG cans. I don't care much for the lager, but the bitter (in the green can) is drinkable. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Bill D Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:51 PM "Nothing better than a cold pint of Fosters.."...ummmmm....well.... As for GOOD Aussie beers, I used to enjoy Coopers ale, but have not seen it here for ages. also, Tooth's Sheaf Stout was wonderful, but I read that Tooth's was bought by Carlton, who also owns Foster's...and I haven't seen it in years either. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: melodeon king Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:25 PM I like a pint of warm flat "leper's fart" or if they don't have that (pipes tend to get clogged) "Old Helmet Cheese" will do. You lager drinkers don't know what you are missing ... aaaarrrgh!!!! ... |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: HuwG Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:38 PM Quote from Inspector Morse: "They don't spell Australian lager, XXXX, out of ignorance, Lewis". The landlord of the Globe, in Glossop, is brewing his own bitter. The first few batches were variable in quality, but all have been well received. I was asked the other day, "Why aren't you still serving Globe Summer Ale ? Is it because the weather has turned bad." I replied, "No. You lot have drunk it all." Beer engines (hand pumps) do have small air pumps in the lines, powered by CO2 cylinders. These do not add gas to the brew; they merely prevent any beer surging back into the cask when the handle is released, and stirring up yeast and sediment which then get into the lines. The continued fermentation of yeast in the cask is important to the flavour, but yeast in the pint when drunk tastes bad and (in my experience) can give the most truly awful hangovers. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:41 PM "Quote from Inspector Morse: "They don't spell Australian lager, XXXX, out of ignorance, Lewis"." *ROFL* I like it! |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Slag Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:58 PM I reiterate, In matters of taste and beauty, there is no argument. As for my personal persuasion, here in the US in never liked beer as a young person in the 60's & 70's. Bud, Coors, Schlitz etc. was all the same. Then some where in the 80's I tasted Groelsch (Spelling??)Ale and I was a changed man. I never met an ale I didn't like (except for some pretenders to the name). Since then some clever folk began micro-breweries and began to produce some beers according to the ancient traditions and I discovered that there WERE beers I liked, including some lagers. Since then I've tried my hand at some brewing and now appreciate what goes into producing a good palatable beer or ale. Lagering can produce some really exceptional beer. I have some friends who produce a fine home brew lager. I've yet to find an acceptable commercial lager. Age and temperature control are critical and distribution is problematic. None the less I apreciate each for it's own uniqueness but my personal preference runs to ale. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Folkiedave Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:28 PM I would like to recommend two pubs where you can try out testing real ale against decent lager until you fall over. First up Fat Cat - http://www.thefatcat.co.uk/86index.htm One of the world's great boozers. (Apart from me that is!!) http://www.devonshirecat.co.uk/content.php is brilliant for bottled beer. Two good reasons to live in Sheffield |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Bill D Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:58 PM Fat Cat looks like a great place to go! I love being able to try a range of excellent brews in one place. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: GUEST,Jon Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:30 PM Looks good. There are all sorts of Fat Cats btw. here is a Norwich pub of that name. It's the "sister pub" of the one I mentioned in this thread, the Shed, where I go for music. Only been in the Fat Cat (Norwich) once. It may sound odd but the night I tried it, it felt too full of "beer connoisseurs" for my liking. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: michaelr Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:38 PM A post WAY up thread seemed to state that Real Ale contains no hops. Can this be true? Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:51 PM Strictly speaking it is true. "Ale" means the type of beer that used to be brewed before they introduced hops a few centuries back, and there still are some beers made without hops which are correctly called "ales" in that sense. Most of the beer referred to as "Real Ale" are not actually ale at all, it's just a way of saying traditionally brewed and served. Of course language changes and it's a bit over pedantic to object to ale being used as a synonym for beer generally. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:34 PM I've had beer all over Europe, and I had no trouble finding beer I liked - except in England. I'm sorry, but I just couldn't develop a linking for "bitter" beer. People there insisted I should have lager since I'm an American and that's what Americans like, but it was awful - worse than Coors. American folkies don't drink Coors or Miller Lite or Budweiser, and they're not going to like English Lager (which usually turns out to be Stella Artois, which doesn't sound very English). I've always liked Newcastle Brown Ale, but I didn't have any in England because it's readily available here in California. I found a wonderful English beer called Grouse Beater, but it was available only one or two days of my three-week stay. The rest of my UK experience was extraordinary and I really loved the music - but not the beer. Sorry. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Dave Hanson Date: 02 Aug 06 - 03:22 AM Yo Edward Bridge, if Fosters is good why is it killed [ sterilised ] after brewing ? why isn't it served naturaly like good beers should be served ? how can it compare with a beer like Taylors Landlord, brewed in Keighley for over a hundred years and STILL using the same yeast culture. Fosters and crap like Miller Lite [ what sort of spelling is that ] are deliberately brew as bland as possible, served very cold so no one can tell it's tasteless. eric |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House Date: 02 Aug 06 - 06:47 AM There's nothing wrong with sterilising lager or any other beer. It gets rid of nasty bacteria that is usually present in "real ale". Soon the EU will be introducing a law where all beer will have to be clean. Bacteria and living yeast cells detract from the careful blend of flavours in the beer and can cause that "farty" smell that a lot of badly kept "real" ales have. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Dave Hanson Date: 02 Aug 06 - 07:28 AM With respect folkman, thats a load of bollocks, real ale is a living thing, this is where the different beers get their individual character, you obviously prefer bland nitro-keg pop. The EU will do no such thing, do you think the Germans and the Belgians, who brew some of the worlds great beers will put up with that ? Germany already has strict laws governing the brewing of beer. Incidently a lot of German beers are lagers, Fosters, Carling, Miller and all the rest of the factory made beers bear no comparison to proper lagers. eric |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Emma B Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:30 PM new kid on the block on todays news |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: bobad Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:36 PM There goes the ice cap. |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Kenneth Ingham Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:38 PM I've always thought that the beer in the USA is far superior to the muck that is served up as real ale in the UK |
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Subject: RE: Real Ale v Lager From: Kenneth Ingham Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:38 PM 100 |
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