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Subject: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Bobert Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:37 AM Well, gol danged... Certain folks plainly shouldn't drink and Mel Gibson is one of them... Bad enough to be arrested for driving under the influence but what happened in the police car and at the police station is almost beyond belief... Fir details Google in TMZ.com... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:10 AM Heh, heh. Mad Max of Malibu--I guess this means he is not only officially off the wagon, but also very officially anti-Semitic. As if we didn't already know that. Some weird shit with that dude. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: C. Ham Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:20 AM Why should any be surprised that the son of a vicious, anti-Semitic Holocause denier should turn out to be a vicious anti-Semite? BTW, it's also possible that Mel's father's long record of anti-Semitism had no impact on Mel. Maybe he came to his conclusions in the past couple of days by reading some of the threads on Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:24 AM Touche there, C Ham. Of course, I'm not a big fan of the defenders of Israel's militarism and status as regional puppet of the US government either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:26 AM A Hitler was a short arse as was Mussolini, what does that tell you about the vertically challenged, crap Scots accented Mel the Oz Midget? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,Little Jack Horton Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:36 AM MacKenzie, I like to headbutt anti-shortist bastards like you right in the balls. And I'll out one in the balls of that Gibson creep too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: bobad Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:57 AM There are plenty of ignorant pieces of shit in this world. Just because his name is Mel Gibson doesn't make him less ignorant or less a piece of shit. His apology has the true ring of a high priced Hollywood lawyer about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Nigel Parsons Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:58 AM Yep, that's the level, kick a man when he's down! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: 282RA Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:59 AM Sure it wasn't Martin Gibson? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Nigel Parsons Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:06 AM Let's hear what Mel himself has to say about the arrest. Mel's Statement Where it appears he distances himself from the views he propounded when under the influence. "I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said and I apologize to anyone who I have offended" CHEERS Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:08 AM I thought the very same thing of that apology, and more. The first rule of damage control for politicians and celebrities (rather like the first step in a 12 step rehab program) is to apologize. One need not admit to wrongdoing (which is legally inadvisable in instances like this, especially). One need just apologize for behaving badly. Mad Max of Malibu has very good handlers. But then, an alcoholic, egomaniacal, anti-Semitic, two bit Hollywood bad boy would need good handlers and lawyers to survive his own excesses, no? And of course, we haven't even thrown in buying land and building your very own cult church yet, have we? Only in Hollywood or Washington DC could a perverted, sick man of this sort hold such power and influence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:18 AM Nigel, there is nothing sincere about Mel's statement. It was crafted, as bobad pointed out, by his lawyers and handlers. He had no choice but to apologize, because the damning evidence was already out there. If he had been able to keep it all under wraps, there would never have been a statement. I can appreciate you might be a fan of Mel's films. But that still doesn't change the facts. The guy is a jerk, he got caught doing things that if you or I had done them, would most definitely have kept us in jail until we appeared before a judge. There is no mystery here. He was given special treatment, in large part because he has done favors for the sheriff who suppressed the original arrest report, and released him upon his own recognizance for a paltry bail sum. Anyone else who had done what Mel Gibson is alleged to have done would have been slapped with assaulting a police officer charges so fast it would make Mel's tequila bottles in the back seat spin out of control. There is special treatment being doled out to Mel Gibson. There has been a cover up by the sheriff, who still refuses to release the original arrest report or the mug shot. They certainly haven't had trouble getting out the mug shots and arrest reports for other celebs like Nick Nolte (same sheriff's dept, not incidentally). |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:24 AM Oh, and I might add this will only add to the lore and allure that already make Mel Gibson a folk hero to the men who worship at the altar of Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Dick Cheney "traditional conservative manly men" types. They can't get enough of this sort of bad boy hype regarding their folk heros, no matter how much they rule the airwaves these days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Nigel Parsons Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM I'm not an all-out Mel Gibson fan, I just dislike the general attempt to pile in and kick a man while he's down. I accept that someone may have crafted the statement on his behalf, although I feel he is sufficiently intelligent to have written it himself. Bobad only says "it has the ring of a high priced lawyer about it". Guest is adamant that it was written by his "lawyers and handlers". That is amazing inside knowledge (if knowledge it be!!) As for keeping him in jail until he appears before a judge, surely that is only necessary where the perpetrator might make a run for it, or have given false ID. What would be the point of locking him up before a hearing if he has been positively identified. "The first rule of damage control for politicians and celebrities (rather like the first step in a 12 step rehab program) is to apologize. One need not admit to wrongdoing (which is legally inadvisable in instances like this, especially). One need just apologize for behaving badly. In his statement Mel does admit to driving after drinking "when I should not have" Going by Guest's assertions, a lawyer would not have him making that statement! Nigel Just trying to keep things on an even keel! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:40 AM According to the arrest report, Gibson did, in fact, 'make a run for it'. It is generally well known and accepted wisdom that celebrities and politicians never write these sorts of mea culpa statements themselves. So that crack about 'insider knowledge' is nothing more than a ridiculous to discredit what I have said, pure and simple. Assaulting a police officer charges are also part and parcel of what gets charged when suspects hurl insults at the arresting officers, anywhere in the US. As is the charge of resisting arrest, which also wasn't charged. Which is why the Sheriff's Dept's own civilian review board has already announced it is investigating the way this arrest and subsequent charges against the suspect have been handled. The charges, if it had been Jane/John Doe, would have included: Suspicion of DUI Resisting arrest Assaulting a police officer The charges, as they stand right now, are only suspicion of DUI. Something fishy is going on, and it ain't just with Mel Gibson. It is with the Sheriff of the Malibu dept. who covered this up. That is a much bigger story than Mel falling off the wagon and getting nailed for a DUI. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:48 AM I also never suggested that his lawyer would tell him not to mention the DUI. Lawyers know when to admit to facts (like breathalyzer tests, and actual legal charges being filed), and when to bluster and obfuscate. That's why the statement so delicately tip-toes around admissions of what he actually said and did during the process of being stopped, searched and breathalyzed, and being booked. He just said he doesn't believe anything he said while inebriated, in hopes that will possibly prevent more charges from being filed against him. Had he just shut the fuck up, and accepted the DUI like a man, he wouldn't be in the hot water he finds himself in. Let us not forget, he is currently working with Disney on a new film, and with ABC TV--most ironically the ABC gig--which is about a Holocaust survivor. Can you say "project cancellations" Mr. Rogers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:59 AM From his statement linked above : "I have battled the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse." Clearly not enough to put away his Driving Licence & hire a chauffeur though. Has there been anti-Semitic stuff from him before then? I wasnt previously aware of whats been said about his father, back up the thread a few posts. I had thought Mel was just anti-British. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:13 PM From what I saw of the "passion of the christ",I believe Mel Gibson to be a religious fundamentalist. This means to me that his religion becomes a panacea for alcohol excess. Or to put it this way, religion can be the gateway to addiction.And vice-versa. The pattern of the Christian "swing" has been established by Jimmy Swaggart and others by preaching the Manichean "good" and lapsing into "backsliding". This is probably because religion is used as a protective device against destructive behavior. We see this in Bush. Alcohol addiction is a problem that doesn't require condemnation but understanding. I would prefer to give him credit for admitting a mistake which is not in vogue these days particularly in Washington. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: SINSULL Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:17 PM First David Hasselhoff, now Mel Gibson. What's the world coming to? Giant YAAAWWWNNNN. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: bobad Date: 30 Jul 06 - 12:31 PM Does Mel Gibson have a Jewish problem? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:08 PM I'm not condemning his alcoholism. I'm condemning him getting special preferential treatment from the Sheriff of Malibu. There is a big difference. The fact that he had his handlers issue a statement on his behalf was to be expected. Hell, it might have taken Cheney a week, or whatever, but he made the mea culpa statement because not making it (which would have been Cheney's preference) was causing problems with the administration's supporters and poll numbers. Did anyone really expect that Mel Gibson's publicist would NOT issue a statement in an attempt to salvage the situation as best as could be done? Come on. Nobody is that naive anymore, are they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:24 PM But aren't the Lebanese technically 'semites' too? I know the Palestinians are. And saying you hate them and actually killing them (as Israel is doing) are two different things. And "the Jewish state" of Israel does indeed seem to be dragging us into another war. First Lebanon, then Syria, then Iran...then Russia and China and WW3. No one's too fond of "the Jewish state" of Israel right now. I'm just glad Gibson's able to voice his opinion (First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution). In Israel he'd be charged with some kind of bogus social control crime. The same freedom of speech protections that apply to Gibson apply to you American Christian-bashers on this forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Folkiedave Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:26 PM A Hitler was a short arse as was Mussolini, what does that tell you about the vertically challenged, crap Scots accented Mel the Oz Midget? As Tony Capstick used to say (he was small too) "Think of all the famous people in history who were small: Hitler; Mussolini; Scobie Breasley, Willie Carson........" (for our American friends, the last two are racehorse jockeys). |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:37 PM Apologising is one thing, and meaning it is another. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 30 Jul 06 - 01:40 PM Guest 1:24, you seem to be operating under a misperception about how the law reads when it comes to speaking to a police officer trying to arrest you. In that circumstance, your rights of free speech are limited, in order to tip the power balance to the authorities. The content of his anti-Semitic words aren't the issue in a legal sense. Calling one of the female officers "sugar tits", attempting to run away from the officers when they are trying to get you in the squad, and ranting like a fucking lunatic about Jews, when paired with some dodgy behavior to match your rants (as mentioned above), does bring this to a level where, if it were Jane/John Doe, they would have been charged with resisting arrest and attempted assault of a police officer, in addition to the DUI charge. Cops usually tolerate a lot when dealing with drunks (though the class and race exceptions to that rule can be absolutely despicable). The arresting officers were apparently trying to cut Gibson some slack. ie they offered to put him in the squad without handcuffs if he promised to be cooperative, which he apparently wasn't. But if the reports surfacing today are true, that Gibson was so out of control that one of the arresting officers actually videotaped him to cover their own ass, Gibson and the Sheriff could both be in more hot water than we are seeing right now. I think what Gibson truly fears at this point is not so much release of the mug shot, but possible release of the videotape. Hence, the immediate damage control efforts over the weekend, before any of this gets submitted to a judge by a zealous prosecutor looking for glory come Monday morning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Nigel Parsons Date: 30 Jul 06 - 02:27 PM Guest 11:40 Yes, it does seem there is a dual operation of the law. "The charges, if it had been Jane/John Doe, would have included: Suspicion of DUI Resisting arrest Assaulting a police officer The charges, as they stand right now, are only suspicion of DUI. Something fishy is going on, and it ain't just with Mel Gibson. It is with the Sheriff of the Malibu dept. who covered this up. That is a much bigger story than Mel falling off the wagon and getting nailed for a DUI. " "If it had been Jane/John Doe" would we even have heard about it before he gets his day in court? According to the arrest report, Gibson did, in fact, 'make a run for it'. The point I made about that was that once arrested and identified he would be unlikely to attempt to 'leave town' before any hearing. Stopped by police while over the limit must be a good reason to try to avoid arrest before being identified/breath (or whatever) tested CHEERS Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 30 Jul 06 - 03:11 PM Mel Gibson needs a C.A.T. scan.... Maybe he's got a tumour... It'd certainly explain why his last few movies have been shite |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: robomatic Date: 30 Jul 06 - 03:31 PM Maybe he was just acting out his role in "South Park" Anyway, we'll always have "Thunderdome"! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 30 Jul 06 - 04:25 PM Great artists of yore---banned and cancelled---Think Charlie Chaplin, JOhn Garfield, Orson Welles, etc; Banned for their thinking and not their bogoted and loutish behaviour. More recently works scheduled for PBS cancelled (or re-scheduled is the euphynism) because they might be controversial. Disney announces that it no longer will release and distribute any "R" rated films. Let us see how long it is before they cancel their affiliation with a drunken lout who, by any normal standard, would be cooling his heels in jail and have his license revoked (as a starter). Is it possible double standards are now the standard in Hollywood and, perhaps, in many other places. Drug enhanced athletes, DUI congressmen, and more go their merry way after a bit of embarrasing press. John Doe gets his come uppance rapidly and can ill afford the legal representation once esconced in "the system". I also would add that I doubt, sincerely, that many of these "authorities" are color blind and/or religion blind. You would think, however, that the female officer in this case would blow a large whistle. The Sheriff, I can only assume, is trying to cover hs political ass when it should be Gibson doing that---covering his public and commercial ass. Solution is for studios to avoid him for their own good---he has, for good reason, his own production company---but you still need distribution. Bill Hahn |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 30 Jul 06 - 06:51 PM *lol* Folkiedave...hadnt heard that particular 'Capstickism'...I wonder if he put Tich Frier in there on occasion? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Big Al Whittle Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:20 AM Okay, you convinced me - he's lunatic. poor sod. great article. thanks. bobad |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Matt_R Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:11 AM According to the arresting officer, when his requested backup arrived (a female cop), Mel Gibson said "What are you looking at, sugar tits?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Matt_R Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:14 AM "The report says Gibson told the deputy, 'You mother fucker. I'm going to fuck you.' The report also says 'Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me.' The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: 'Fucking Jews… The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.' Gibson then asked the deputy, 'Are you a Jew?' The deputy became alarmed as Gibson's tirade escalated, and called ahead for a sergeant to meet them when they arrived at the station. When they arrived, a sergeant began videotaping Gibson, who noticed the camera and then said, 'What the fuck do you think you're doing?' A law enforcement source says Gibson then noticed another female sergeant and yelled, 'What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?' We're told Gibson took two blood alcohol tests, which were videotaped, and continued saying how 'fucked' he was and how he was going to 'fuck' Deputy Mee." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Big Al Whittle Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:33 AM It just goes to show, Barbara Windsor wasn't 100% right when she said, 'We all want to fuck talent.....' Unless the policewoman succumbed to his charms.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Liz the Squeak Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:40 AM Ah... but you have to find the talent first..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Bobert Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:21 AM Hmmmmmmmm??? Could Mad Mel also be Gay Mel???... Not that I could care one way or another but Mad Mel certainly did make several references to havin' sex with the vary much male officer who made the arrest... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Donuel Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:49 AM Hey Mel! In Vino Veritas!! In Vino Veritas!! I have made more than 6 editorial paintings regarding Mel Gibson's antisemitism, father, films, hypocrisy etc. They are among my funniest works. The 4 pages of the police report that quotes Gibson's remarks and attempted escape was deleted by orders of the Captain of the Malibu police department. There are unofficial allegations that the decision to remove the Deputy's record of the event was based on the fact that the remarks were too inflammatory to release in light of the current war in Lebanon. In other words The Malibu police dept. decided that the threat Mel posed to National security over a simple drunk driver incident was worthy of a cover up. If Mel is indeed a threat to National Security I suggest Homeland Security weigh in on this matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,maryrrf Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:21 PM Maybe this means they'll take down that horrible statue of Mel Gibson at the Wallace Monument in Stirling. I've always felt that was so inappropriate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:33 PM I'm pretty certain, though not absolutely sure, that being drunk is not really a legitimate excuse for being a sexist, anti-Semitic jerk. After all, there are millions of people drunk at any given time in the world, many of whom are alcoholics. Many who are, like Mad Mel of Malibu, very mean drunks. However, you don't often hear of them going off on anti-Semitic tirades. Though the sexist tirade against women by drunk men is, I'm guessing, pretty standard. Just a thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: robomatic Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:23 PM Mel featured in an earlier episode of the Simpsons where with Homer's help he shot a re-make of "Mr Smith Goes To Washington" complete with Congressional blood bath ending. But his variance from Roman Catholic doctrine make me think of Homer's flirtation with the Faith: "Once you go Vatican, you can't go back again!" from the episode where Homer and Bart consider Catholicism: The Father the Son and the Holy Guest Star Homer (after finishing confession): Woo-hoo, I'm clean! In your face, Lord! Sean: Not yet, Mr. Simpson. I can only absolve you if you're a Catholic. Homer: Uh-huh. And how do I join? Do I wail on some Unitarians? Sean: Well, it's a little harder than that. It starts with looking deep inside yourself. (Homer groans) But it ends with bread and wine. Homer: Woo-hoo! Near the end Bart gives the message: Bart: Don't you get it? It's all Christianity, people! The little, stupid differences are nothing next to the big stupid similarities! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Charley Noble Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:14 PM People who direct major films which try to re-define religious values should, in my humble opinion, be held to a higher standard of personal conduct than the rest of us poor mortals. It's a good thing that so much of Gibson's outburst was captured on vidio. Otherwise, he'd still be in denial and the high sheriff would be sued for blasphemy. Alas, I doubt if this experience will alter Gibson's long-held philosophical views but he may hire a stretch limo and a chauffeur the next time he wants to hang one on. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:32 PM I'm also convinced this won't kill his film career. But it will further isolate him in Hollywood than he already is. He personally bankrolled his last two films (Passion and Apocalypto), some believe because his increasingly public religious preaching and posturing made him impossible to work with, unless you were perceived by the Mad Mel to be his ideological twin. His production company, Icon Films, dumped the Bush whacking Michael Moore movie, after being pressured by the Bush White House to do so (which is how/why Harvey Weinstein became involved in the distribution wars over it, just before walking out on Disney). Now, there are a lot of conservative, John Wayne/Ronald Reagan Republicans in Hollywood. Even radical leftist Tim Robbins is as disparaging of Hollywood liberal Democrats like Babs, et al when he says: "Hollywood is full of closet Republicans, and also you're sometimes not sure who your friends are. When the whole Bull Durham (1988) controversy happened there were three people who came very vociferously to our support, all either very conservative Democrats or Republicans - Clint Eastwood, Kevin Costner and Jack Valenti. And how many liberals? I didn't see any. So I am not one that makes a judgment on someone because they are Republican. I know enough Republicans that are decent people, they love their families, we might have differences of opinion but we can find common ground." That doesn't seem to be the case w/Mad Mel. You are either a Mad Mel True Believer, or you don't work for him. I think this is a case where Mad Mel has isolated himself, and sees himself as something of a romanticized tormented Hamlet thespian (remember, he bankrolled himself in that one too). That he is delusional, I have no doubt. Mentally ill, probably, more than an alcoholic. The man obviously is sick and perverted, but because he feeds off the Hollywood machine that created him, he just can't see the forest for the trees (much less the speedometer for the tequila bottles) at this point. He totally lost the plot, IMO, somewhere during his "Braveheart" phase. Living proof of a man who actually believes he is the characters he portrays, and his own publicity machine. I don't think you will see too many big name stars (directors, writers, or actors) lining up to work in a Mel Gibson film any time soon. Sure, he has box office clout, but that may not be enough to save the perv from himself. But there isn't much you can do with mentally ill people like him, when they are surrounded by people making money hand over fist off them. Which is the case here. If ever there were a need for someone to intervene and have someone committed, it would be here. But his family and handlers are more likely to just slap him into rehab, and hope he doesn't build anymore Malibu churches in the image of Mad Mel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:38 PM Surely this is a warning about the dangers of our insane 'celebrity culture'? Just because some weirdo becomes famous for starring in films/movies does not mean that he is some sort of demi-god. His pronouncements are of no more acount than any other weirdo's. Someone who makes a whole film depicting a person being brutally tortured to death is definitely a weirdo in my book - and a dangerous one to boot! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:05 PM I think he is bi-polar. The booze can disguise that for a long time. Lots of people are able to cover up their bi-polar problems for decades, just by using drugs or religion to mask the illness. Don't forget, we are a society that values hyper-manic behavior, so long as it is done in the name of "work". |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Clinton Hammond Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:10 PM "I think he is bi-polar" Could be that too.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:30 PM Shimrod makes a good point....the culture of Celebrity is what makes todays heroes, for the unwashed masses. They are important, because they are FAMOUS, whether there be any talent involved at all (I mean talent is not necessary, simply because they are KNOWN is what makes them seem important in those shallow peoples eyes). Football players (or replace with whatever other sporting 'heroes' best fit) are lauded regardless, & not in the same way they always have been.... The likes of Don Bradman, or Babe Ruth, Tom Finney, etc, etc, were held in such high esteem because of their skills, not because they were a 'bigger name' than anyone else you might compare them to. Ok, it got a little silly with the hysterical adulation (or so it seemed) of Rudolf Valentino, or someone like that...perhaps Chaplin would be a better example from vaguely that same era. They had a hold on the popular consciousness because they were known by many millions because they were successful at entertaining millions. These days however, we get the likes of Michael Jackson not getting an even-handed trial because of media bloody hype! His fans not wanting to believe him capable of wrongdoing (or whats worse, maybe being so 'enamoured' of his fame & status that they feel he should be considered above the law). Then the other side of people who werent fans, wanting him to be brought down because he didnt deserve to be so famous & successful... thats how it seemed to me anyway - seemed to have very little to do whether he was guilty or not, & to what degree. Much the same was seen with OJ Simpson too, I felt. In Hull, its not unusual to see TV Presenters from the BBC Local studios....& its laughable to see the people gasping, pointing, seemingly in bloody AWE of somebody who is so wonderful as to be seen on the shiny magic box in the corner....or as if they didnt really 'tread the earth' like mortals. I HAVE seen it occasionally at Festivals...people gazing in awe at Martin Carthy (it most have been these gawkers 1st Festival, I think...) & on another occasion, just some curious locals 'nebbing' round the Craft Fair/Trade Stands, mouths agape at Mike Harding. Yeah, its bloody laughable, but where will it all end? If FAME is the only criteria, how would Adolf Hitler fare these days? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: gnu Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:58 PM Good thing he made a PILE of money off those movies... he's gonna need it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:07 PM Are a drunk man's words a sober man's thoughts, as the old proverb teaches? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:43 PM And now for some comic relief: The first round of media analysis of How Mel Gibson's Anti-Semitic Tirade Will Affect His Career has arrived, with nearly everyone agreeing that Gibson's capping of his DUI arrest by accusing the "fucking Jews" of being "responsible for all the wars in the world" could possibly have some sort of undetermined negative impact on his future ability to make movies, or on the box office prospects of Apocalypto, his upcoming, Mayan-language adventure flick whose dialogue must now be scoured for hate speech cleverly masked by the Yucatec dialect. (Zero Wolf: "The tribal elders have selected you for human sacrifice. Please report to the altar atop the sacred pyramid in one hour to accept your fate." Jaguar Paw: "You go tell those fucking Jews to kiss my ass. I own this fucking jungle, sugar tits.") |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Slag Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:26 PM To have celebrity would be about the last thing on my wish list. How unfortunate that some depend on it for their bread and butter. If you remove the question of celebrity from the story you get a much clearer picture of the problem. Forget your own prejudices about Mr. Gibson and look at the fact that he is an alcoholic. Anyone who has had a family member or, God forbid, themselves have been/are an alcoholic recognizes the self-destructive and abysmally embarrassing behavior. My sympathies go out to anyone who suffers this blight. It was one of the things, if not THE thing, that inspired Prohibition. It is a fact that a certain per centage of the population will become addicted to alcohol if they ever take a drink. It is a powerful grip that never goes away and can only be defeated by total abstinence. That stupid behavior follows is a given. People this deep under the influence say things that are 180 degrees from their conscious beliefs. They can and do physically attack loved ones, assualt police officers, drive wantonly, recklessly, walk about in public naked, commit murder. Name it. It's been done. Since Man discovered alcohol society has attempted to deal with the problem. And a word about the prejudices which we have ALL grown up with. We've heard them in our earliest experiences. We hear it from our own family members, other kids at school and in our society and culture. There are racial and ethnic prejudices. There are economic and intellectual prjudices. I think in this day and age we are pretty sensitized to prejudice but they are still there, floating around in our subconcious, if no where else. And they pop out at the worst times. Just ask some of our politicians. Emily Dickenson said "The soul selects it's own society, Then shuts the door." and this is true for the good or the bad. We all have our own criteria for association. No one is a friend to everyone nor is anyone the enemy of everyone (with qualification, of course). I especially feel for folks who grew up in the South where, in living memory, racism was an accepted way of life. The many who have come to the enlightenment that black people are people too and are in equal standing before the law and before God, make a concious effort to refrain from hurting someone with a unintended remark or some slip of the lip. I feel sorry for people of color who grow up being taught to hate white people. And I can't understand why or how the Jewish people are considered to be the blame of so much evil. And yet we hear it and like hearing filthy language at an early age it finds a place in our minds and it can come out in moments of stress, pain, sickness as well as self induced impairment. I am reminded when certain religious leaders sought to entrap Christ when they presented to Him a woman taken in adultry. He said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Mr. Gibson's celebrity only clouds the issue. Whether you agree with his politics or his religious point of view is a matter for discussion elsewhere and on their own merits. He is a man afflicted with alcoholism and he will suffer all that may entail for the rest of his life. However his addiction does NOT excuse or even mitigate his behavior. For that he must be responsible. But he has a difficult life-problem that many of us will thankfully never fully understand. He too is a human being and a day may come in your own life when you need someone to care for you aside from your foibles and follies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:57 PM The odd thing is, apparently he goes off on a tirade about Jews, and only after that does he ask the officer "Are you a Jew?" Sounds as if he might be living backwards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:18 PM Alcoholism is certainly a convenient excuse for behaving badly, isn't it? Cleanses one of all their sins. And if you are a powerful Hollywood celebrity, you just ring up your lawyer and publicist, and get them to fix it all up for you. Poor, poor Millionaire Mel of Malibu. Boo hoo, I feel so bad for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:14 PM The Passion of the Christ made Mel Gibson a darling of the fundamentalist Catholics. Trouble is, the film was quite popular among more mainstream Catholics and other Christians, and this gave the fundamentalists more strength and credibility. This movie was a big deal in the Catholic Church in the US, and it made us left-of-center Catholics very uneasy. I'm hoping Mel Gibson's current "fall from grace" will destroy his credibility among Catholics, and take the fundamentalists down a rung or two. They've become frighteningly powerful. I wouldn't be too quick to charge the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department* with favoritism in editing the report. I've read the law enforcement copies hundreds of California DUI (driving under the influence) reports, which are longer than the one-page cover sheet that's released to the press. The reports are usually devoid of juicy details - the main things established are the blood-alcohol content and any physically violent conduct. The substance of what Gibson said while drunk is pertinent to us who wonder whether he's an anti-Semite, but it has little to do with the information needed to determine whether he is guilty of drunk driving and resisting arrest. I was investigating people for law enforcement jobs and other sensitive government positions. If the person had made racist remarks when arrested for drunk driving, it certainly would have been pertinent to my investigation - but not to the police investigation. It's also very unlikely that Mel Gibson will be able to "get a slick lawyer to get him off." Law enforcment authorities in Los Angeles aren't particularly impressed by celebrities - but then again, they also aren't particularly impressed by tabloid reporters competing to get information to smear celebrities. -Joe Offer- *I believe the Los Angeles County sheriff still provides law enforcement services to Malibu. Last time I worked there was 1999, and Malibu did not have its own police department at that time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:35 PM It just keeps getting deeper and deeper. It seems Officer Mee, the arresting officer, is actually Jewish. And ABC has, according to the Wall Street Journal, pulled the plug on Mel's production company's Holocaust project for ABC-TV. Entertainment Tonight aired video of the public service announcement Mad Mel did for the sheriff's cause. On The View today, Barbara Walters said she won't be seeing any more Mel Gibson movies. And Malibu Mel's publicist announced Mad Mel has entered an undisclosed rehab program. Joe, the truth from the autopsy report about Terri Schiavo's brain didn't change the minds of many Catholics about that whole debacle, so I think you are rather naive thinking their hero's fall from grace will shake their faith to the core. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:45 PM Well, the Terri Sciavo situation was different. Those who believed that she should be kept alive under any circumstances, have a point of view that would not be affected by the condition of her brain. Anti-semitism is not at all prevalent among American Catholics, even among the Catholic fundamentalists. Gibson's anti-Semitic remarks are going to make a lot of Catholics think again. -Joe- (I revised my previous message and added information about the arresting agency. You may want to take a look.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:11 AM Joe, Marcia Clark (yes, that Marcia Clark) was on TV tonight saying the arrest reports for DUIs nearly always include the level of details seen in the Gibson report, because that is evidence that corroborates the arresting officers assumption the suspect was under the influence at the time of the stop/arrest. The behavior of the suspect at the time of the stop & arrest is not only admissable evidence in the prosecution of the case, according to Clark, but also often helps to convict. Don't take this personally, but she has prosecuted thousands of DUI cases in California, so I think I'll take her word for it. She also said that celebrities routinely get special treatment from law enforcement, including being allowed to continue driving even when they suspect them of DUI. It was also announced today that Gibson was given such special treatment twice in the last few years by the very same dept in Malibu. Both involved speeding, with Gibson let off with a warning both times. However, in one of those instances, the officer who did the stop said he suspected Gibson might have been under the influence. Also, from USA Today: "LOS ANGELES — Getting drunk and mouthing off is nothing new in Hollywood, but Mel Gibson's weekend arrest has plunged him into a crisis that few could have imagined two years ago. Back then he described himself as a filmmaker guided by the Holy Spirit on his surprise blockbuster The Passion of the Christ, saying he hoped the film had "the power to evangelize." But that image has been shattered by news of his drunken-driving arrest Friday and the anti-Semitic and sexually insulting remarks attributed to him. The Associated Press reports that an official police report substantiates claims that Gibson made the remarks and threatened a deputy. Many say Gibson will have to explain his comments beyond his publicist-released statement, which implied that his rant was just the booze talking. And some in the entertainment industry are calling for a boycott. One of the nation's most ardent and active promoters of church outreach for The Passion was First Family Baptist Church in Overland Park, Kan., where the Rev. Jerry Johnston brought 5,000 people to see it. "Only the savior is perfect, and every messenger of the gospel is flawed, and Gibson certainly illustrated that to the worst degree," Johnston says now. "It was unwarranted, and a great shame has been attached to the maker of the movie." But the message of the movie remains untainted even if the "messenger obstructs the Messiah in the delivery system." Johnston says Gibson owes an apology not only to Jewish people but to all pro-Israel evangelicals. "He could take some of the proceeds of that movie and donate them to a worthy Jewish cause in Israel," he suggests." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:37 AM George Bush said he saw the first WTC tower hit by a plane before he went in to read his goat story to the Florida school kids. Why don't you folks talk about that? How can you talk about anything else but that? Bush saw a live feed of the impact. No one else in America did. But this latest distraction has you creaming your jeans. Turn off your TVs. Quit thinking other peoples' thoughts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:22 AM Well, I suppose Marcia Clark has a different perspective from mine. She'd be likely to have read only reports of drunk driving arrests that were likely to go to trial, as Gibson's might be. So, perhaps there would have been a higher level of detail in the Mel Gibson arrest report. I read ALL the reports, and the vast majority of drunk driving arrests end in a guilty plea without going to trial. And the vast majority of the reports are almost exactly the same, word-for-word:
When he was stopped, he said he had X beers at (time) He/she had dilated eyes and slurred speech and the odor of alcohol on his/her breath, so a field sobriety test was administered. He/she was asked to recite the alphabet forward and backward, without singing, had he/she attempted x times and got as far as the letter___. He/she was then asked to walk in a straight line, putting one foot in front of the other. He/She could walk ___ feet before stumbling. Having failed the Field Sobriety Test, he/she was given a Breathalizer test, which showed a blood-alcohol content of 0.xx percent by weight. Since the blood-alcohol content was over 0.08 percent, he/she was booked in the county jail, and his/her vehicle was impounded (or given to a sober friend or relative or passenger to drive home) If Marcia Clark was as hot-shot a lawyer as she's reputed to be, I do wonder how she got stuck on DUI duty long enough to prosecute thousands of cases. -Joe-
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:32 AM Allow me to correct myself: Marcia Clark's office prosecuted thousands of DUI cases, is what I believe she said. As the boss, of course she wouldn't have seen each and every DUI report. But I believe she would be knowledgeable about the general content of them. Hence, my giving her the benefit of the doubt. She seemed very knowledgeable about the California DUI process from a prosecutors point of view. Of course, there are a bazillion lawyer websites out there with the defendant's point of view that would tell a very different story. We'll see what charges, if any, the LA prosecutor's brings, and whether they release the audio and videotape of the stop & arrest, like they did with Diana Ross. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:08 AM Why did Mel Gibson start his anti-semitic tirade? Did something trigger it? It seems a strange thing to do. Now, I know he was drunk , but his anger, you would have thought, would have been directed only at the police. Also, is Mel's anti-semitic feelings drawn only from his religious beliefs, or from other sources i.e. Hollywood, I assume, is run by Jews. Is that something to do with it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:13 AM He/she was asked to recite the alphabet forward and backward, without singing I suppose it's thread drift, but, heavens above, I couldn't do that sober, not backwards. It's a bit like that old way of getting to sleep (or driving yourself crazy), spelling Czechoslovakia backwards. ("Daddy, what's Czechoslovakia?") And what have they got against singing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:47 AM Well, the entertainment news folk have already dug up the people he was with at the bar in Malibu on the night in question. They said, without exception, that he was jovial, friendly, accessible, not at all like the aggressive behavior described when he was arrested. They did all say however, that he was obviously too drunk to drive. The arresting officer is Jewish, so I'm guessing his being upset about getting the DUI from a Jewish cop triggered the anti-Semitic rage. The arresting officer also made an audio tape of the stop, and when they arrived at the station, video tape was made. |
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Subject: Gibson irrelevant...Republican reaction not From: GUEST,Ordinarily Republican voter Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:08 AM If out front Republican reps and media flacks try to excuse, defend or downplay Mel's views, for me it'll be like the elder Bush giving Pat Buchanan all that play in their first election -- it just forced me back over to Clinton side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:09 AM Geeziz McGrath.....I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't do the ABC's backwards! I sat here after reading Joe's post and tried it! I got it done okay but it took a lot a bit and if I had been on the side of the road I'd probably have come off as a drunk. That's a dumbass test. I mean who the hell ever learns to do the ABC's backwards? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: C. Ham Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:20 AM Why did Mel Gibson start his anti-semitic tirade? Did something trigger it? It seems a strange thing to do. One of the effects that being drunk has on some people is that they lose their inhibitions. In other words, they don't self-censor the expression of thoughts that, when sober, they know would get them into trouble. Mel Gibson's father, is a religious zealot and Holocaust denier. I don't think it's unusual for the son a of a Holocaust denier to turn out to be an anti-Semite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Rapparee Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:27 AM If he was driving drunk he should pay the price. And the arresting officer has said that he discounts anything drunks say. I don't care if it was George Bush or Bill Clinton driving drunk -- if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Yank his license, fine him, and send him off to rehab. I don't see what antisemitic remarks has to do with a drunk driving charge anymore than another driver calling the arresting officer an SOB or worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:28 AM And the 'trigger' seems to have been the fact the arresting officer is Jewish. He was drunk, in a boat load of trouble, and being an anti-Semite, he just let his invective fly when discovering the arresting officer was Jewish. In his anti-Semitic world view, the idea that a Jew could bring him down a couple of notches must have been rather infuriating. Especially since other officers had given him a free pass and get out of jail free card for speeding in the same area. And then, there is that fact he 'owned' Malibu. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:41 AM I agree Rapaire, that the charges here have to do with driving under the influence. But just like the tequila bottle found in the car, his anti-Semitic abuse of the arresting Jewish officer, along with his sexist abuse of the female officer at the station, indicates he could be in line for additional charges from the prosecuter's office, from disturbing the peace to attempting to assault a police officer. Sounds like he could also be charged with resisting arrest. However, since the only charge the police made was the suspicion of DUI, I'm guessing they are considering the stop fairly routine, and considered the "without incident" to mean he didn't attempt to do physical harm to the officers. I'm guessing DUI suspects Spew foul language and insult arresting officers all the time. So the charges would have to depend upon the cop's mood about your attitude at the time of the stop, and what they can actually document as evidence. His publicist says he has already entered a treatment facility for rehab. The court date isn't until Sept 28th. So we likely won't be seeing Mad Mel for awhile. The only other news that we are likely to hear about are the results of the investigation regarding Gibson receiving special treatment (I'm guessing no special treatment will be found), and if the DA's office decides to add charges to the suspicion of DUI charge or (even worse for Mel) release the audio and videotape. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:16 AM I'm hoping Mel Gibson's current "fall from grace" will destroy his credibility among Catholics, and take the fundamentalists down a rung or two. You're expecting a rational, reasoned response from fundamentally irrational people. Not going to happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:33 AM I agree 1000% with that, GregF. Speaking of irrationality, no one seems the least bit bothered with the sexist taunting of the female officer in the case. It's all about anti-Semitism. What does that say about society's beliefs, hmmmm? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,NYC Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:20 AM Did Gibson really say that he owns Malibu? Funny, I thought the Jews owned Malibu. Also, he seems to have his ethnicities confused. Cops are Irish, not Jewish. Everyone knows that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:33 AM Well, except in Nothern Ireland, then theyre not...*G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:36 AM I too tried the ABCs backward. Decided that I would probably go "xyz: zyx; uvw: wvu; rst:tsr" and so on. My guess is that a drunken person goes about it differently, and that the difference is added to the other 'markers'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Rapparee Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:38 AM I was baptized Catholic and raised such, from kindergarten through college. And I don't give a flying...trapeze...what Mel Gibson thinks, nor do any of the Catholics I know. Please don't tar everyone with a stereotype! Having made DUI stops and arrests in the Army, in the Military Police, I can assure you that drunks can spew the foulest language you can imagine. I've been called an MF and worse, assaulted, and deliberately puked on. Every MP I knew treated it as part of the job -- and put the offender in the drunk tank. After one such arrest I and others were charged with police brutality -- by the offender's friend, the offender saw a videotape of himself and said that he was amazed we didn't beat him silly instead of handcuffing him. I don't suggest you call a cop names or try to fight, though -- you could get someone who WILL want to get in "a little stick time." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Amos Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:18 PM NEW YORK (Reuters) - The ABC television network has pulled a miniseries about the Holocaust it was developing with Mel Gibson's production company, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday, quoting an unidentified representative for the network. Gibson was arrested on suspicion of drunk driving early on Friday and was reported to have launched into a tirade against Jews, asking the arresting officer if he was a Jew and blaming the Jews for starting all wars. The actor, who holds strong conservative Catholic religious and political views and whose father is a Holocaust denier, apologized on Saturday. The incident has raised questions about the future of projects Gibson and his Icon Productions company are working on, like the ABC television miniseries based on a memoir about a Dutch Jew during World War II, the newspaper said. An ABC representative told the paper, without elaborating, it has been two years and the network still has not seen a script, so the project is being pulled. A spokesperson for ABC, which is owned by Walt Disney Co., could not be reached for comment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Big Mick Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:33 PM What you are speaks much louder than what you say you are. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: C. Ham Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:44 PM Why, oh why, would ABC/Disney give money to the son of a Holocaust denier to develop a miniseries about the Holocaust? As Christine Lavin would say, "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:55 PM I don't think that most fundamentalist Catholics will be swayed by proof of Gibson's anti-Semitism, but the "Passion" film was popular with many good people who were much closer to the mainstream, and I do believe this incident may destroy the credibility Gibson had achieved with right-of-center moderate Catholics. I think a lot of moderate Catholics did not realize what an extremist this guy is, and they didn't believe us who warned them about him. Maybe now they'll realize that this isn't just the "liberal agenda" that's pointing this guy out to be dangerous. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:22 PM I heard on the radio, tonight, that Californian laws on drink-driving are very strict and you need much less alcohol in your blood, than you do in the UK, in order to get prosecuted for drink-driving. Apparently Mr Gibson was only a teensy bit over the Californian limit ... so perhaps it wasn't 'the drink talking' ...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Donuel Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:59 PM ABC Disney is linked to more CIA programs/agendas than you can shake a stick at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:27 PM By admitting he saw the plane hit the WTC and then acting to delay an investigation, GWBush became prosecutable for the crime of murder. Why do you tube-heads discuss Michael Jackson and Mel Gibson when a judicially-installed president confessed to killing 3000 people in New York? I think one of them was a Jew. Yeah, maybe that'll generate some concern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:30 PM The blood alcohol content limit in California used to be 0.10%, but it was reduced to 0.08% many years ago. Gibson's was 0.12%, which I believe is generally only moderately tipsy. I've seen reports with blood-alcohol content of 0.20% - those people were almost "dead drunk," and it's amazing that they were driving. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:34 PM So, Guest, I have to ask why YOU, instead of just chipping in where the opportunity to have a dig at others presents iself, arent creating an enormous nuisance of yourself starting BS threads about it, here & everywhere else you can log onto? I think its a bit bloody shameful that you should 'use' so many deaths as a means to try & needle people here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Donuel Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:37 PM I find it impossible to discuss anything with an annonymous GUEST for many good reasons. If you reveal yourself in a manner that is discreet I may allow you to have the DVD of the American Scholars Symposium that reveals many new scientific discoveries regarding 9-11 as well as the details for the $1 Million challenge and $25,000 reward regarding the 9-11 cover up. END OF THREAD DRIFT> |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Slag Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:40 PM Yeah, re Greg F's comments: Let's take them damn Catholics and stupid fun-duh-meantal-ists down a notch or two. Yeah Yeah. No bias here. It must be wonderful to have such moral highground. I have theological and philosophical differences with Roman Catholicism and also some "fundamental" difference with some Fundamentalists. Rather than taking issue with the "ideals", you catagorize a vast number of folks who hold many differing beliefs and then you attack the label. That sounds kinda like, stereotyping and anti-religious bigotry to me. I could be wrong (but I don't think so). |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Charley Noble Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:59 PM With the exception of the 911 troll, most of the annonymous guests actually are making thoughtful posts. I've learned much more than I would from the regular media coverage. Thanks for your contributions and consider signing up as a regular Mudcat Annonymous Member! Cheerily, Charley Noble (not my real name) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:09 PM Thanks Charlie, but no chance of membership in my future. Well, the Mad Mel of Malibu has now issued a second apology. He says he is really, really, really sorry and really, really, really not a bigoted anti-Semite. So, that is good enough for the ADL dude who was calling for his head on a platter. But I think those who are familiar with the AA 12-steps, think it might have been a better idea for Mel to admit he was helpless in the face of his anti-Semitic bigotry. Especially since he waited to say he was really, really, REALLY sorry until AFTER his Holocaust project w/ABC was cancelled, to issue another apology. You know, I often feel uncomfortable watching anyone dangling from the meat hook like this. But every once in awhile, seeing arrogant bastards getting knocked down a few pegs really restores faith in humanity. Briefly. Very briefly. After all, it's still all about box office for these folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:11 PM
Posted By: GUEST 01-Aug-06 - 10:33 AM Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... I agree 1000% with that, GregF. As for Gibson's connection with the Catholic Church, please note that he has been allied with fundamentalist groups that are considered to be the "lunatic fringe" of the Catholic church, not representative of the mainstream. However, the appeal of The Passion of the Christ was broader, and was enthusiastically received by many right-of-center moderates within the Catholic Church. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Slag Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:20 PM You forget Mel's "What Women Want". Obviously he knew what that deputy was wanting... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: robomatic Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:36 PM The wonderful thing about the United States from a Jewish point of view is simply this: If a person is anti-semitic, it's his problem. I can't see into whatever Mel Gibson uses for his mind. I think he clearly has a Jewish 'thing' going, a phenomenon I've witnessed in many people. I think I'd say it's akin to being HIV positive but not developing the disease 'yet'. In the presence of a lot of Catholics in this forum and on this thread I'd mention that I know a lot of Catholics, and the older ones were exposed to anti-Semitic teachings officially sanctioned by the Catholic Church until Vatican II (Second Vatican Council), as I like to put it, got us (Jews) 'off the hook'. One of my friends remembers a priest saying "Never trust a JOO!" (My reaction to that is why should someone like that trust anybody?) Anyhow, who's to say what Mel Gibson was exposed to while growing up in an atmosphere that denies the validity of that very Vatican II? This is worth going into because it brings up some interesting points about Catholics, Catholics & Jews, anti-Semitism, and celebrity: 1) There has been a sea-change in Catholic - Jewish relations both in the US and the wider world over the last 50 years very much to the good. 2) It's not illegal to be anti-Semitic but, as I mentioned above, in the U.S. of today, if YOU are anti-Semitic, it isn't MY problem. 3) Mel Gibson is a talented actor/ director who very definitely has his own problems. I think they include but are not limited to, Semites. He is primarilly a danger to himself. 4) I have long been thankful that in the US of the present I have been able to make friends with, trust, and judge people based on their behavior way ahead of needing to concern myself with their color or creed, and maybe to be judged that way in return. 5) I think it is a weakness in our society that we are so concerned with the actions of the notorious class. As I mention to any young person who starts looking at the covers of those useless magazines full of factoids about the rich and lovely "It's a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter about people who don't know me!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:45 PM Down, Joe, down. I never said "you" I said "society". So how on earth do you twist "society" around to mean you personally? "I think Gibson's "sugar tits" taunt at a female deputy speaks for itself, and there's nothing much more for us to say about it." Now that I really can't get on board with. Going into a tirade about "fucking Jews" speaks for itself too, so why are we all finding so much to say about that, but not the sexist remark? I have my ideas on that: main one, that sexism is still very acceptable in this society, even to the point of challenging the authority of a police officer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Aug 06 - 05:02 PM pah That remark Gibson made to the female deputy doesn't disturb me on any kind of symbolic basis. If he had instead gibed at her femaleness as being somehow evil or unpleasant or inferior to men I would feel differently. This way it is only a testament to his crassness, not to a putdown. Like our lovely president; if the German Chancellor had been male, the bush wouldn't have touched him. The fact that he gave her an unsolicited, unwanted shoulder rub speaks to his sexism, not to his being anti-female. My sentiments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:28 PM OK Ebbie. You wanna call a female police officer "sugar tits" because it doesn't bother you as a woman, you go right ahead. Good luck with that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:38 PM And spppppttttt to you too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:41 PM He couldn't have been that drunk if he could actually get his tongue round saying "sugar tits". ............... Would I be wrong to suspect that, if circumstances had been different an pissed and pissed off movie star had been going on about how Catholics started all the wars, and demanding of, say, Officer Kowalski or O'Meara "Are you a Catholic?", that would,have been OK with friend Greg F? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:49 PM Slag's his name & slagging's his game. { talk about irrational... } |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: michaelr Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:55 PM ABC has now nixed the deal with Gibson's company to produce a holocaust documentary. About blood alcohol limits: Whether 0.12% means a person is "moderately tipsy" or completely sloshed depends on a. the person's body weight b. how much drink he's used to. Gibson is known as a hard-drinking bachelor, so I doubt he was seriously out of the box at 0.12. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:59 PM Booze 'ill get you drunk but it can't make you a bigot... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: robomatic Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:02 PM ABC has now nixed the deal with Gibson's company to produce a holocaust documentary. Gibson is known as a hard-drinking bachelor, so I doubt he was seriously out of the box at 0.12. oh, so maybe it's 'mission accomplished?' |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: michaelr Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:07 PM ?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: C. Ham Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:17 PM Gibson is known as a hard-drinking bachelor, so I doubt he was seriously out of the box at 0.12. On the news tonight they showed his wife and mentioned they've been married for 20-something years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:34 PM With the exception of the 911 troll, most of the annonymous guests actually are making thoughtful posts... That's the right answer. You folks don't WANT to think about Sept 11. And that's because of brainwashing. You hate whom you're told to hate, discuss what you're told to discuss. Again I ask, why is Gibson's behavior important in the face of GWBush's ADMITTED participation in Sept 11? A drinking problem and a slur is nothing compared to the 9-11 murders. If you get more upset over Gibson's statement than you do over Bush's ADMITTED murders, there's something wrong with you. If it's not Mel Gibson it's Michael Jackson, if it's not Jackson, it's... You're being diverted from the truth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:35 PM Hard-drinking bachelor, hard-drinking husband, not much difference really when it comes to knocking it back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: michaelr Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:41 PM I stand corrected about Gibson being a bachelor. But I still don't think that he was seriously inebriated at 0.12%. And I cannot fathom robomatic's post! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:50 PM OK, O Nameless One, so start a thread about Bush and the 9-11 murders, if you like. You sound like some sort of fundamentalist or something. According to that line of thinking, we can't talk about Mel Gibson or folk music or anything, because Jesus Christ is our Personal Lord and Savior and why should anybody talk about anything else? Go ahead and talk about what you want to talk about - in another thread - but don't condemn other people for talking about what they want to talk about. So, how was it that Mel Gibson was involved in the 9-11 murders? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:34 PM OK then! Let's review, shall we? Here is the day's Top Ten list of What We Learned about The Mel Scandal: 1.) What seemed inevitable was,and Mad Malibu Mel chose the time-honored method of waiting out a public relations scandal: sweating it out in an undisclosed celebrity rehab spa. A few weeks hence, we can expect Gibson to reemerge from his celebrity time-out a refreshed and more outwardly tolerant star. Then this unpleasant driving-while-under-the-influence-of-anti-Semitic-devil-water business will seem like nothing more than a bad memory implanted in his brain by the fucking Jews who run Hollywood. 2.) Mad Malibu Mel releases a sequel to his Saturday mea culpa. Not long after his Holocaust mini-series is cancelled by ABC. He personally mentions the fucking Jews, but because neither of these early mea culpa PR attempts have explicity addressed the sugar-titted community, with whom Gibson is also eager to make personal amends, we expect a third draft from his publicist shortly. 3.) No Jewish Hollywood studio executives will take anyone's calls. It is presumed they are too busy planning their next blockbuster of a world war/global terrorist campaign (depending on whether they can get Harrison Ford or Nick Cage to play God). 4.) Hollywood continues buzzing with rumor, innuendo, outuendo, etc. Some say the only viable solution for Mel to salvage his career now, would be to make amends with the fucking Jewish community by performing in a six-month run as the lead in Fiddler on the Roof. Others note that Mel's request to have "a one on one discussion" with "leaders in the Jewish community" may actually be grammatically impossible. 5.) No one in the entire world, including Catholic traditionalists, understands Mel & his daddy's particular brand of Voodoo Catholicism. But they loved the film, and are hoping for sequel where Mel buddies up with one of those monstrously well hung black boys, Dave Chapelle or Chris Rock, playing the Holy Ghost. 6.) The Sugar Tits Twins Mel was partying with just prior to his DUI, have been quoted as saying they think the fucking Jews will be inclined to forgive anyone who "owns Malibu". But they aren't really sure. Mel was really nice though. TOTALLY down to earth. But pretty drunk. However, not only did the Sugar Tits Twins express their surprise and dismay over Mel's bit of DUI trouble (because he TOTALLY wasn't like that at all when he was partying with them!)But they also were quite surprised at the amount of money they fetched for the photos of him with them, which allowed them to keep partyin' like it's 1999 for an extra two days at the beach. 7.) We also learned it's remarkable how much one idiot's opinions get turned into the ENTERTAINMENT STORY OF THE YEAR, THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM, WE SHOULD HAVE MEETINGS AND RELEASE STATEMENTS AND JUST GENERALLY BE REALLY CONCERNED when those opinions insult said industry's perceived-or-true ethnic majority. Of course, insulting women, blacks, gays, Asians, Hispanics, handicapped folks, Republicans, people with mental illnesses, Midwesterners, obese or ugly people--that's still all totally cool. They don't run entertainment agencies or Hollywood studios, so you're fine. 8.) Rumors are flying as to who will land the first gig on the Mad Mel Mea Culpa Talk Show Tour, expected sometime in early October. But it is certain that Babs won't be doing any pre-Oscar interviews with The Mel anytime in the next century. Speculation is running as high as the bidding war between Oprah, Diane Sawyer, and Larry King. 9.) Speculation is also running rampant (Vegas bookies may vary) as to whether or not The Mel and that Other Babs will do "Celebrity Death Match" for their favorite charities. And last but not least on our Top Ten List of What We Learned Today about The Mel Scandal: 10.) The LA Times printed an article on the silence of the Fucking Jews Hollywood Cabal (tm held by Mel Gibson), which included this delightful paragraph: "Hollywood was largely founded by and the studios are still chiefly run by Jewish executives such as Pascal. Still, dozens of Jewish executives, producers and agents contacted Monday would not go beyond expressing their outrage in private. In typical Hollywood fashion, they refrained from publicly criticizing -- and potentially alienating -- a powerful star and director who could make them a lot of money." So it's all about the money with those fucking Jews! Thanks, L.A. Times! At least Mel has to get liquored up before he says stuff like this, but you get to print it in the business section of your very high profile paper when your editors are, presumably, stone cold sober! Yee ha! Can't wait for what the morrow shall bring! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:44 PM Oh! I almost forgot! The BEST news of the day was fashion related. Make your Mad Mel fashion statement today! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: frogprince Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:45 PM Another good example of the merits of prohibiting anonomous posts "below the line"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: 282RA Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:58 PM Shatner's Jewish, you know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:07 PM aw froggieprince, don't they carry t-shirts in your size? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: harpmolly Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:15 PM Oh, my. That is the kitsch to end all kitsch. You have to hand it to the t-shirt people--they're on the ball. Strike while the iron is hot. "$24.90 plus shipping, and that's cutting me own throat." ;) M |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: 282RA Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:20 PM I can't wear that shirt. I'm diabetic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 02 Aug 06 - 11:54 AM Who said Gibson was involved in the 911 murders? I just don't understand how there can be a thread like this undertaken with such gusto by supposedly sane people, when the President of the U.S. admitted to murdering 3,000. He admitted it. Let me repeat that. Bush admitted to murdering on Sept 11. I suppose it's fear. People don't want to face grim reality, and that's why we have this non-issue stuff foisted on us by the media. But we don't have to participate in the diversions. So Gibson hates Jews. So what? Look at what they're doing to Lebanon and tell me what's to love. And Christians are just as bad, given a chance. Arabs in the Sudan. I couldn't care less what people discuss, but you need to be reminded that you're shirking your duty. I mean, didn't any of you ever pledege allegiance to the flag of the U.S., or take an oath to defend the Constitution? If you're not addressing Sept 11, you're just cross-dressing. Now get back your circle jerk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:49 PM Is it just me, having been 'away' for a year, or are we just not getting the quality of troll that we used to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: frogprince Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:55 PM "quality of troll"; isn't that an oxymoron? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 02 Aug 06 - 01:06 PM Hmmm..quite possibly it is! Ooops! |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: frogprince Date: 02 Aug 06 - 01:14 PM "Bush admitted to murdering on Sept 11." Wouldn't it be nice if we had some way to know whether someone like this was just crazy enough to make up this to stir a stink, in which case we could just avoid him like the plague, or if, on the other hand, he's crazy enough to believe it, in which case someone should be warning the people close to him that they may be in real danger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 02 Aug 06 - 01:31 PM Well, its my guess that as he's come HERE to rant about it, of course its bollox. Furthermore , he doesnt give a shit about the WTC, he just like to think he's winding up some of those 'weird' folkies. He'll be loving it now that we are talking about him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Aug 06 - 05:24 PM "Quality" is a totally neutral word in itself. There's "high quality", "low quality", "lower than low quality" and even "troll quality". |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 02 Aug 06 - 05:38 PM Thats what I thought, Mr McGrath...but couldnt think how to express it! See, damn you frogprince...hah! *thumbs nose at you* *G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: frogprince Date: 02 Aug 06 - 08:39 PM but, as idiomatic usage goes, if you refer to something or someone "of quality" without other modifiers, it generally implies good-to-excellent quality... Dean (who just hates to concede a point) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: michaelr Date: 03 Aug 06 - 12:17 AM While our Guest has made her point in a somewhat sensational turn of phrase, we'd do well not to dismiss it out of hand. Reread her recent Forced Helplessness thread and check out the links. You don't have to be a conspiracy nut to realize that there are lots of questions left unanswered (and intentionally unasked) about 9-11. And it's quite true that Americans would rather occupy their minds with tripe like Mel Gibson and wardrobe malfunctions than with painful, important matters. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Aug 06 - 12:46 PM Well, I wouldn't have bothered about Mel Gibson, but The Passion of the Christ made him into some sort of spiritual guru among many people in many churches - including my own Catholic Church. He is somebody on the extreme right who has found himself a niche in the mainstream, and that's frightening. His popularity has added to the difficulties of church workers like me who are left of center, and we're happy to see Mel Gibson discredited. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: robomatic Date: 03 Aug 06 - 09:44 PM michaelr: I had no intention of being unfathomable (easier for me to write that word than to pronounce it with a beer in me). I was making a not-to-serious comment that if Mr. Gibson wanted to get 'out' of the holocaust project, he chose a pretty quick way to do it! I earlier observed that he's got problems beyond his opinions of Jews or their opinions of him. Not knowing him, (and him not knowing me), I don't see him as relevant to my life, or vice versa. I do not wish him ill. I am interested in the conflict between Roman Catholicism and the "Traditionalists", and possibly Joe knows more about Mr. Gibson's influence in that department. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: michaelr Date: 03 Aug 06 - 11:48 PM Ah, gotcha, robo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: bobad Date: 17 Aug 06 - 05:12 PM Mel cops a plea |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Wesley S Date: 17 Aug 06 - 05:24 PM "Under terms of the plea deal, Mira ordered the 50-year-old actor to attend Alcoholics Anonymous meetings five times a week for 4-1/2 months and three AA meetings per week for the remaining 7-1/2 months." But he doesn't have to quit drinking while he's going to all of those meetings?? Things that make you go Hmmmm......... |
