BS: Women's asses are getting bigger

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 09:05 AM

y'know, reading over that last rant I doublt I'll ever have what it takes to be a successful capitalist.

*sigh* think I'll quit my bitchin' and put on one of my royal wake-me-uppers instead ..

...Hey listen here,
Now I got mortgages on homes
I got stiffness in my bones
Ain't no beauty queens in this locality. (I tell ya!)
Oh, but I still get my pleasure
Still got my greatest treasure.
Heap BIG WOMAN you done made a big man out-of me!

Now get this!

Oh, you gonna take me home tonight (please)
Ah, down beside that red firelight
Oh, you gonna let it all hang out
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round

GET ON YOUR BIKES AND RIDE!

Don't hafta tell me twice .... I'm outta here!!   :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Inukshuk
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 09:30 AM

How about this Johnny Bond clasic from the forties? We do it in medley with "Fat Bottomed Girls"

THAT FAT GAL OF MINE

She keeps me warm in the winter, shady in the summer time
That's what I like about that fat gal of mine;
And when I see my landlord she's got so much behind that I can hide behind
You don't pay rent when your time is spent like mine.
She's so sweet with the softest heart. She's pretty soft around her other parts;
And at night when I lay me down I don't need a pillow when she's around
Warm in the winter; shady in the summer time
That's what I like about that fat gal of mine.

When she's laughing there's so much of her to have a real good time
I tell all my jokes to that fat gal of mine
She's never fickle; you'd better sign right on the dotted line
The first chance you get with a good fat gal like mine.
Hard luck talk don't bother me; I'm as happy as a honey bee;
If things get tough and times get hard I could render that gal and sell the lard
Warm in the winter; shady in the summer time
That's what I like about that fat gal of mine.

She's a bargain, for the same low price look at all you get
Well I got a lot when I got that gal of mine
And when I'm working she sits at home on her diamonette
I've got no troubles with that fat gal of mine
She's my shelter, in times of storm I helter skelter right under her arm.
She's a beauty if you look at her face and you'd better not look any other place.
Warm in the winter; shady in the summer time
That's what I like about that fat gal of mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Áine
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 10:16 AM

Womens' asses aren't getting bigger, mens' attitudes are getting smaller -- Wow Liz, when I saw this lil' line from you, I quit reading -- Fantastic! When do the T-shirts come out?? ;-)

And Peace, I agree with you, who gives a sh*t! If it ain't you're own woman's butt you're worried about, then why is it your business?

Get a grip, get a life, and get out of my face -- or should that be, oh never mind....

All the best, Áine

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 11:55 AM

Thanks for the lyrics, Inukshuk!   I got on my bike, I rode, and I saw not ONE fat-bottomed girl out there today. How 'bout that!

But there was one (formerly and oh so very VERY slightly) fat-bottomed girl heavy on my mind as I rode. By the time I got back, I'd come up with this ....


Of all the taunting teasing talk aimed to blast and blister
None hurt worse than *FATSO* for my youngest baby sister
Poor thing was found just slightly round; the rest of us were thin
And comments snide did not subside - she took it on the chin

But in her heart she'd wilted, never good enough to please
Or so she thought -- till at 16 she found a way to ease
her festering self-hatred. She'd vent it all on food!
And so a lifelong battle with bulimia ensued

Before too long that pretty smile, those sparkling eyes were gone
And she became a bag of bones, surly and withdrawn
Withered, body freezing, yet never thin enough to feel
that her former *FATSO!* Self would ever be concealed

And even decades later, as her twilight years draw nearer
Still hates to eat, still hates to dress, still hates what's in the mirror
It's painful just to look at her, and to all of you I say
Those cruel jibes create real hurt that never goes away

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:09 PM

On the subject of fat people....

This generation of kids in both North America and in Europe are the first generation of kids that are expected to have SHORTER life spans than their parents..... Sedentary lifestyles, garbage food and other things that make people fat are the biggest reasons.

Treat 'em like smokers? Sure

"Hey fatty! You cramming that 3rd dessert down your bloated cake-hole is making me even more nauseous than the stink coming off you from the areas you can't reach to wash properly.... why don't you take it outside. The exercise getting through the door will do you good!"

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:12 PM

Go stuff yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Grab
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:16 PM

Do we say the same of smokers, alcoholics, drug addicts, speeding drivers

Yep, certainly do. In fact, there was a local radio ad over here that I heard not long back saying "I do my bit for the local hospital - I don't drive over the speed limit. On average, X more people are injured due to speeding, and that costs Addenbrookes Hospital £Y extra a year."

I don't mind saying that I do adventure sports. But I wouldn't mind paying some extra on my tax to cover that, if there was an option to do so. I already have a higher rate on my life insurance and accident/illness cover, and that's fair enough. Ironically though, adventure sport participants rarely die through that sport, and are generally fairly healthy anyway. Fatties almost always die as a result of fat-related illness though.

You see, that's the problem - they all want a miracle, and they're not prepared to do sod all about it. This miracle diet, that miracle pill, the other miracle surgery. The one thing that really would be a miracle is if every last one of them put less calories into their system than they used up.

This doesn't mean gym membership or Weight Watchers. It means not eating at fast food joints - which in itself will *save* you money. It means exercise - walking for an hour every day would be great, and it requires not one cent in expenditure. A day's hiking each weekend would be even better. It means eating food that doesn't have high-fructose corn syrup in it. It means eating food that will fill you up without adding vast amounts of calories - home-made wholemeal bread is a classic place to start for this, and if you can't be arsed with kneading the dough (which is exercise in itself) then a breadmaker is cheap. It means not eating food that won't fill you up and *does* add tons of calories - ice-cream, chocolate, any kind of candy or dessert.

If they were addicted to drugs or drink or cigarettes, I'd have some sympathy. Those things get you addicted on a chemical level. But "addicted" to food? That's not an addiction, it's just a habit, and breaking a habit is simply a matter of caring to do something about it.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:17 PM

PS congrats on that amazing timing, Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:18 PM

might I say that some fat people are fat not because they overeat, bot because they have a glandular disorder .I myself only weigh 11and half stone.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: *daylia*
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:30 PM

Last year, a young woman who is close to me lost 85 lbs in less than 9 months. She really needed to lose it -- at 5'7 her present 125 lbs is much healthier than 210, although I think she overdid it a little. How did she do it? Not through ridicule, and not through an eating disorder. She joined the LA Weightloss program, and followed their diet suggestions to a T.

She did NOT use their pills, though!

She tells me that the diet she followed was nothing unusual and not hard to follow. SHe could eat pretty well whatever she wanted, including fast food as long as she ordered it as recommended. SHe changed her cooking methods slightly (ie no frying in butter), watched her portion sizes, ate at least the minimum requirements of fruits and veggies every day, and most importantly (according to her) AVOIDED ALL PROCESSED FOODS.

TO her mind, that's the key - avoid all processed foods, and you sidestep a lot of problems. But all the stress she was facing in her personal affairs last year probably 'helped' a lot too, I hate to say!

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:32 PM

"Americans love to moralise about fat because, among other reasons, fat has become a convenient stand-in for various characteristics that have been traditionally associated with the pariahs of the moment. Americans who would never dream of consciously allowing themselves to be disgusted by someone's skin colour, or religion, or social class, often feel no compunction about expressing the disgust elicited in them by the sight of people who weigh anything from a lot to a little more than our current absurdly restrictive cultural ideal."

an extract from The Obesity Myth - the war on fat is a witch - hunt masquerading as a public health initiative by Paul Campos

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while I don't agree with all his statements it does seem, from some of the posts here, that at least this part of his arguement is all too true!

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:41 PM

"because they have a glandular disorder"
And those people are such a small number they hardly even figure in... the bigger issue are the people who THINK it's glandualr, when in fact, it's just that they are fat and lazy.....

" an extract from The Obesity Myth"
You do of course realize that they whole purpose of that 'excerpt' being on spiked.com is to sell Paul Campos's book right EB???   You don't really believe it do you?

"We should be encouraging Americans to be physically active, to eat well, and to provide reasonable access to medical care for those among us who lack it."
D'uh......

Paul Campos is splitting hairs to seel his book.... nothing more.....

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:59 PM

CH, as I said, I don't accept everything I read in print BUT I am apalled by some of the stuff I've seen posted here!

a further quote -

"The rejection of the war on fat is based on a simple principle: that tolerance towards an almost wholly benign form of human diversity is the least we should expect of ourselves, if we wish to lay claim to living in a civilised culture."

Tolerance and any evidence of a "civilized culture" seems to be as lacking on this issue as it is on many others here! Give me someone who is overweight and tolerant of his/her fellow beings (and no - I'm not by ideal weight/height charts!) rather than the smug, self-satisfied and sexist prejeudices some people have felt acceptable to post here!

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:05 PM

"an almost wholly benign form of human diversity"
What a load of touchy-feely-we're-all-o.k. bullskite!

Obese people die earlier... are likely to develop diabetes.... it's not 'benign' at all....

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:22 PM

I guess then we should put them all to death and try to form some sort of master race although I believe something like that was tried before...which of the contributors to this thread should be used as the bench mark for a perfect race?

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: DougR
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:43 PM

Right, Canadian Guest, "get yourself a life!" Start another "impeach George W. Bush" thread on the Mudcat! :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:45 PM

CH I'm as concerned about morbid obesity as the next person.

What does infuriate me however is the continual presentation of body images (particularly to women) that are "biologically inappropiate" and result in a frighteningly high percentage being disgusted by their (perfectly "normal") body shape and an increasing range of eating "disorders"

There is some evidence to show that the diet "industry" (which makes money on the back of so much misery and engendered self-disgust) is also responsible, to some extent for actual increases in weight as repeated (yo-yo) dieting drives the "natural weight range" higher for some people!

Unlike some of the posters here, I would never accuse you of sexism CH (You can be equally rude to anybody! :) ) but nevertheless, from the very title of this thread, it would appear that fat is still a "feminist issue"

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Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 01:49 PM

" from the very title of this thread,"
You can't believe everything you read

:-P
heh

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Emma B
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 02:08 PM

Very true again CH :p

but try this for "size"

too fat - but is it my fault?

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 07:08 PM

But as my uncle would say, none applicable in a prisoner of war camp.
One rule and one rule only. Less calories, less weight. No arguement.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: GUEST,Grab
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:39 AM

Emma, I strongly disagree that fat is a "feminist" issue.

Certainly the fashion industry is guilty of showing unattainable (and often unhealthy) "standards" of female beauty. But who edits and publishes these magazines? Who writes articles for them? Who buys them? Almost invariably, it's women, right down the line. "Women beware women" was never more apt.

And this gives the lie to it being a "feminist" issue. If it was a feminist issue, the problem would by definition be that men were discriminating against women who weren't stick-thin, or that men were advocating this body image. The fact that men aren't doing this and it's *women* doing the advocating means that it's impossible for it to be a feminist issue, for the same reason that it's impossible to be racist to someone of the same racial group as you. Sure, it's specific to women, but it doesn't make it feminist.

Re that Times article, it commits a basic error in logic - it assumes that "overeating" and "underexercising" are fixed values. That's obviously complete rubbish. Lumberjacks, soldiers, professional athletes and other groups who do hard physical exercise every day *require* something like 5000 calories per day to do this work. "Overeating" for them would be 6000 calories; "undereating" would be 4000 calories. Compare and contrast to a couch potato who never leaves their air-conditioned/heated house, for whom 1000 calories per day may be overeating.

When you add in the various other factors, all they do is modify where your baseline for "overeating" and "underexercising" kicks in. In other words, if you're in a heated house and you're eating the same calories as someone in an unheated house, you might need to run 2 miles extra per week than them, perhaps. If you don't then you're overeating (or underexercising), even though you're eating the same as them.

To misunderstand that is like saying "You drove due east from your house in central Ohio perfectly safely. I drove due east from central Manhattan, bounced off a zillion buildings and then fell in the river. What am I doing wrong...?" Sadly, there's a lot of apologists for fatness who make exactly this mistake. The fact that the Times would phrase their article this way is disappointing.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Flash Company
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 11:27 AM

Saw a T Shirt on the street in Fowey in June, read as follows :-
Eat Sensibly!
Drink Less Alcohol!
Exercise Regularly!
You'll still die!

FC

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:24 PM

Women's asses are getting bigger

The post I forgot to send at the beginning of this thread:

Good tidings! Good tidings!

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 12:34 PM

Yes, Flash, but you won't die nearly as soon...and you won't suffer nearly so much ill health and misery before it happens.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: GUEST,Grab
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:07 PM

Sadly true, FC. :-) But living an extra 30 years and being fit and active for most of them is probably adequate compensation...

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Alice
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 07:10 PM

Grab, it is by far mostly men who own the fashion magazine publishing houses, but you are right that it is women who buy the magazines. So, who is influencing whom? According to advertising research that I posted somewhere in a message (don't have time to find it now) the idealized super thin youthful face and body is promoted to drive sales of not only fashion, but of anti aging products, cosmetics, diet products, plastic surgery, etc. Many women and men both buy into that super thin ideal - enough to make it a hugely influential industry. Print it and they will buy....

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: skipy
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 07:28 PM

CH fat people are 144?
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 02:14 AM

I'm going to buy a new one my old one has a hole in it!

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Grab
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 06:07 AM

Alice, it's certainly mostly men who own the companies, but it's women who run the women's magazines. I don't have any evidence for the assumption, but I doubt the owners have much say in what goes in them, so long as they make a profit.

You're right about men starting to buy into the plastic surgery thing, as well. More false assumptions - women believe men want stick-thin waifs, and men believe women want bodybuilders. All rubbish, but you'd never know from the magazines.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Alice
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 08:26 AM

Grab, I don't know what you base your assumption on that it is mostly women who run the magazines. It is mostly men who control the content of the magazines. Women's Wear Daily, the bible of fashion industry, publishes the job changes "Executive Moves". The most powerful positions are mostly held by men.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: GUEST,Bee
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 12:18 PM

Last three generations of my parents families ( before mine, from circa 1900 - 2000) Included 11 thin men, 3 fat men, 10 fat women, 4 thin women. Men died ages 43 to 67 (heart disease, diabetes, cancer). Women died ages 51 to 96 (cancer, stroke, old age). All the men are deceased. Three women, two fat, one thin, are still living (in their own homes), ages 80 to 86.

Anecdote does not equal data.

But I don't believe 20 to 30 extra pounds is as much of a risk as we are told. Reefer Madness with a plate of pasta, my honeys.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 05:25 PM

Some womens husbands/boyfriends certainly are getting bigger.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: LilyFestre
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 06:41 PM

WOW...the ugliness coming from many of you is MUCH worse than what an overweight human being could ever begin to look like.

Further, some of you should walk in the shoes of a fat person before you make such stereotypical comments. Clinton, you'd be the first person I'd put up to walk in my shoes. Yep. On this particular topic, you spew nothing but ignorance.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 06:43 AM

It is entirely possible to be healthy AND well rounded.

Since I had my dicky ticker fixed (and that was a genetic problem, nothing to do with body size - I lost 3 stones [42lbs] and was still fainting every time I stood up), I've been relatively healthy... I'm just lazy so I don't run for buses or use the stairs - but neither do I sit and guzzle cakes, buns and fizzy drinks every day. My diet is low in fat, high in fibre, veggies, water and vitamins. I limit my chocolate and alcohol intake, I try to walk whenever sensible and I have various excercise tools which I use (and not just as a clothes horse)... I'm the same weight now as I was before I had Limpit, but no one could ever accuse me of ever being thin!

Larger than magazine pictures does not automatically equal unhealthy.

LTS

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: GUEST,Karl
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 04:56 PM

I love big female buttocks, and I mean really big asses - Wiggling and wobbling unstedily. It is so exciting! I saw my female cousin get spanked by my my aumt when she was 12. It turned me on enormusly. I was 14 by the time . My cuosin had a very, plum butt and she cried very much. I felt at the same time protective and exciteted. I tried to repress the exciteness. Mom used to spak me. I thought she was entitelteled to it.

Karl

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:02 PM

Karl: Are you the one who was arrested for shagging sheep?

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:43 PM

*sigh*...sadly, there are other "Karls" out there....both in attitude and in spelling ability

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 07:21 PM

YOU YANKS EAT TO MUCH

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 11:30 AM

Hey, Alice, I am thinking of joining eHarmony.com. If I send you a picture of me in a bikini, could you make me look like that model?

Back in the 70s, NYC ordered new buses from Japan. They had the lowest bid. Unfortunately, they built the buses based on Japanese butts - many riders took up two seats and were not comfortable.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:06 PM

I've often felt that the newer 'shaped' bus seats were not made for any human bottom.... leastways, not one over 8 years of age.....


And there's nowhere to rest your bags either.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 02:13 PM

I don't really mind how fat/thin folk are so long as the former aren't sitting next to me on a train, plane or bus. Then they encroach on my space and then I mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 03:22 PM

And I really hate it when thin people take up all the seats on the bus.... shall we just leave it at that?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Old Guy
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:32 AM

Here is the proof.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Old Guy
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 04:31 PM

Dang it! It's the second one down the page.

Subject: RE: BS: Women's asses are getting bigger
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 05:29 PM

Remember that addage - the camera never lies?

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle proved that one wrong...

LTS