BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 11:46 PM

From: Old Guy
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 12:51 AM

Betcha it was the same group that blew up the Murrah building.

Are you just being 'smart'...or intelligent?
Whatcha' know?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 08:04 PM

Numbers for the amount of aluminum in the airplane appear to be SWAGs, and the report alludes to "folklorish" understandings of Al/water reactions, but it would be necessary to see the calculations to know whether the original author might have some idea of what his theory actually is, and whether the author may have known more than the reporter passed on.

A possible problem is that although the airplanes carried significant amounts of fuel, and in an engine when burned with compressed air it can produce the temperatures cited for rendering the aluminum "reactive" ordinary unconfined burning of the aircraft fuels do not reach the temperatures he claims. He also fails (according to the news report) to account for cooling of the Al as it "drips down into the water" and doesn't show how sufficient water would be pooled to provide for the reaction claimed. (Airframe parts almost never undergo really significant melting in crashes, even when fire is extensive. although conditions in the towers were somewhat unusual and might have given different results.)

No such exotic causes are needed to explain the collapse, and whether some effect that might be similar to what the "paper" attempts to describe might have been a contributing factor in the rate and sequence of structural failures cannot be given a lot of credibility based on the report on the report.

The cited report hasn't appeared in AIT posted papers as yet, so it's not available (yet) for more detailed review.

I'll probably wait for the movie.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 07:34 PM

"Simensen **speculates** that the two commercial jets were immediately trapped inside an insulating layer of building debris .."

I 'speculate' that those planes were in little pieces..

"The debris -- especially plaster, which blocks the transfer of heat -- would have formed a shield protecting the rest of the building...."

Now, there is some wild 'speculation'....bits & pieces of plane & building went everywhere, they didn't form any shields!

"This molten aluminium could then have flowed downward through staircases and gaps in the floor, ..."

No one saw any molten stuff in stairs, and any metal - molten OR in chunks could just as easily fall thru or break off sideways...he is speculating on what would help his ideas

"
... consistent with the timing of the explosions and subsequent collapse of both buildings ."

Explosions? There were no "explosions"! It has been shown over & over that 'puffs of smoke" were that plaster & such mentioned as 'insulation'.

He may have an honest theory, but it is barely more than wild guessing.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 06:57 PM

No, I didn't read the article and it didn't occur to me. It SHOULD have but, as many people here know, I am losing it big time. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 06:37 PM

gnu, did you read the article?

The skin of the airplane is aluminum.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 06:35 PM

I suppose the heat generated from such a reaction could aid in the degradatition of the capacity of the steel superstructure. Food for thought indeed.

On the other hand, where was the aluminium? I have taken design courses in structural aluminium but I have never even seen any "tower" designs. Would the use of al be prevalent in a tower? Fenestration?

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Sep 11 - 06:02 PM

Did chemical reactions cause Twin Towers collapse?

PARIS — A mix of sprinkling system water and melted aluminium from aircraft hulls likely triggered the explosions that felled New York's Twin Towers on September 11, 2001, a materials expert has told a technology conference.

"The aluminium industry had reported more than 250 aluminium-water explosions since 1980," he said.

In a controlled experiment carried out by Alcoa Aluminium, 20 kilos (44 pounds) of molten aluminium was allowed to react with 20 litres of water, along with a small quantity of rust.

"The explosion destroyed the entire laboratory and left a crater 30 metres (100 feet) in diameter," Simensen said.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/21/did-chemical-reactions-cause-twin-towers-collapse/

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Keef
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 02:39 AM

There'll be Cats on The Keyboards
Cats on the mice
Some of them are cranky
And some of them are nice
But each and every one ought to follow my advice
And just revel in the joys of mass debating

Now there's some as likes the bottle
And some that likes the bong
And some they don't like neither
And they think that it is wrong
But it doesn't really matter
Lets all join this lovely song
As we revel in the joys of mass debating

Well If you are from Eye Rark
Or even from Eye Ran
You're all welcome now to join us
And tell us wot is wrong
And then we'll all have to argue
Till we agree to get along
We can revel in the joys of mass debating.

Now the pope he says it's bad for you
And that you might go blind
Well we'll let him do it his way
Cos he probbly won't like mine
Well he probbly won't be watching
Cos I doubt that he's online
So lets revel in the joys of mass debating.

I wrote this because,
I have nothing else to DOOOH!    ( Climactic Crescendo)
Except revel in the joys of mass debating





Keef Wivaneff
2006

Thank you, we'll let you know. don't call us, we'll call you

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Keef
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 12:09 AM

I think the medication has kicked in now, I feel much better.
I tried the bowling alley but they wouldn't let my dog in so I don't have an answer on that question either.
However, back on the fence again, I think the missing ingredient is Aloominum as the Americans call it.
Aloominum and alloys will indeed burn ( as some of the Falkland sailors found out).
It would easily be ignited by the burning jet fuel and might have combined with other materials to burn even better.
The streams of molten metal in some of the videos would support that.
Since the towers are now gone for ever, and there are probably no more buildings of similar design anywhere, there seems no reason why the detailed building and construction plans could not be made public.
Hard to accept the computer modelling of the collapse when there is confusion about the true construction.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 10:13 PM

no, just part of it will get the volcano....the eastern part will get the tsunami from the Canary Islands.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST,a bit pessimistic
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 10:10 PM

whats the point caring one way or another..

America is going to be wiped out by a super volcano anyway..

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 09:53 PM

No shit! Of bloody course they did.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 01:13 PM

lol. I'm obviously not TOO damned worried about NSA spying, or I wouldn't invite people into my computer. It was kind of late. Here's a link that should work. To a new video called "9/11 Mysteries":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en

I heard the woman who made the video interviewed, and she said she's been involved in filmmaking for years. Her boyfriend is a conservative Republican who also happens to be an explosives hobbyist (attends local demolitions and so on). They wanted to do a stage presentation about Sept 11 and were given lots of video footage from 9-11, and the boyfriend noticed some inconsistencies with the govt's story. She said he had a real hard time coming to grips with the fact that he was watching textbook demolitions. Apparently he has completely deconstructed the myth of jet fuel and boxcutters, and she's presented their findings in this film. (And this is just the beginning, folks. Get onboard before Cheney nukes Iran and Joe 6-Pack endorses the draft of your kids. The U.S. govt did 9/11.)

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 05:46 AM

"alfoil off the barbecue and put it round my head but my brain still hurts"

Research on the net at M.I.T. proved that only CONCENTRATES the beams inside the head of the wearer...

On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets: An Empirical Study

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Keef
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 05:35 AM

Donuel
I could give you my address so that you could post me a CD but then you'd know who I am, and then I might have to kill you.
Any way I've been having a bad day.
There's been a strange truck driving past all day and I think they've got some kind of dish inside it that is bombarding me with radiation and I got some greasy alfoil off the barbecue and put it round my head but my brain still hurts and then my phone started making funny crackling noises and I coudn't find anything on the Discovery Channel so I got up on the roof and found that both of my terestial and cosmic parabolic dish antennae had been destroyed by an axe.










I think my satellites have been hacked!

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 05:19 AM

"C:\" etc

Since that link is only to YOUR PC GUEST, nobody else can...

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 06 - 02:31 AM

C:\Political\VIDEOS\videoplay.htm

"9-11 Mysteries". I haven't watched it yet, but they say this offers conclusive proof of demolitions. Anyone seen it?

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 08:30 PM

Then where DO you find the "total depth" ? Suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 08:19 PM

Sure that makes 3 so far.
While they do not present with total depth they direct further inquiry/complete data on various personal websites.



Harry's grand experiment is the making of a wonderful story in the style of Jean Shepard.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 08:46 AM

Donuel, could I have a copy of this DVD as well please. I'm curious to know what kind of Engineers and scientists are on it.
Structual enginners should know what they're talking about. But an electrical engineer as authority of building collapse? Similarly , do we have materiel scientists or ecologists? Both are perfectly good scientific disciplines, but only one is relevent.

James Flack.

21/4 Parkside Terrace
Edinburgh
EH16 5XW
United Kingdom.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 08:31 AM

-troope
mass debators is all they have on cable news

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Keef
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 03:55 AM

Hi Mick, Ron, Bill
I was thinking about coming over to your side of the fence,
Haven't heard from Charley, perhaps he's hanging round the schoolyard again?
Keef

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 01:18 AM

I've known a lot of 'mass-debators' in my lifetime...

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 10:28 PM

http://www.debunking911.com/

including a section on "molten steel"....but those who WANT to believe in conspiracies will keep on with their, "yes, buts"

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST,Harry's Dad
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 10:05 PM

Harry is in Bed.
The little sod is, as you Americans say, grounded for a month;
and his chemistry set is in the dustbin.
That carpet was a wedding present from the wife's mother..
and apparently its all my fault now for getting him interested in science and popular conspiracy theories..

aaaaagghh..!!!! bollocks !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Keef
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 09:55 PM

Harry are you still in the laboratory?
Could you scale up the experiment a bit, use a lot of kerosine, chuck in a few computer monitors, give it a bit of a blow with a hair dryer
and then tell me if you can MELT steel. That's if the reports of molten steel in the rubble are correct.
When we are all done with this, can we please have David Hicks back from Guantanamo Bay. He may be an asshole.
But he's OUR asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Keef
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 09:46 PM

You may be right
I may be crazy
But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for
Turn out the light
Dont try to save me
You may be wrong for all I know
But you may be right

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 07:00 PM

HEY Bill Hahn....and only because you too love Kate Hepburn.....A lot of it is on this thread though it may be out of sequence. The post I linked and those below it are a pretty good tutorial into basic html. Everything I know (and that's next to nothing) I learned here at the 'Cat.

Don't let Bill D. foolya'.....He's master with all his programs, even back in the days when his 'puter was hamster powered.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 06:53 PM

(show off!)

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 06:52 PM

I dunno how he does it, I do it with cheater programs the do 87.521% of the work for me.

The experts do it by specifying color and size in the HTML when they post. Basically, you enclose code the browser will recognize in various patterns of angle brackets.....

I use this program and one other that is harder to find.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 06:48 PM

saywhat
Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 06:30 PM

how do you do that?

Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 06:23 PM

Dang.....I think you're right. I gotta' start using more color...

and SIZE

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 06:10 PM

oh, 'spaw! I did see your earlier remarks, but think, man...the IMPACT of mine, with the red letters and all! Why, I'll bet twice as many have ignored my post as ignored yours!

(Yeah, I'm over the hill, but I'm having a hell of a good times slidin' down the other side!)

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: freightdawg
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 04:29 PM

A few points about the flying of airplanes: I was a flight instructor for about 4 years combined and while I never even got close to one of the "big guys" I do understand a little bit about flying.

One - the bigger the plane the more stable it is. Therefore, it really did not have to be "flown" but rather "aimed." I was unaware that the first plane had to make such a large circle to get down, but any pilot can manage a large, looping, descending turn. Now, it might be true that in doing so he/she might rip a wing off due to unreasonable stresses, but (unfortunately in this case) those aircraft are certified to stay put together beyond all but the most unthinkable stresses. It's comforting to know when you are at 30,000 feet, but if a wing had fallen off earlier then the tower would have been safe, anyway.

Two - flying a plane is not really all that difficult. Even taking off in a plane is not that difficult. LANDING a plane is extremely difficult. Remember, all these terrorists had to do was make simple course and altitude changes. As long as he kept his airspeed up and stayed within certain parameters of bank, pitch, etc, a plane of that size would have been a pussycat to fly. The greatest threat in any flying is the loss of airspeed (airflow over the wings). As long as they were in a descending profile all they had to do was make sure they did not gain too much speed. A very inexpensive GPS unit would have told them how far out to begin descending to be down to their desired altitude in time. I used one all the time. If they had any training at all in the FMS or onboard computer systems of the airplanes it would have been just that much easier.

Three - disabling the transponder only kept the ATC specialists from knowing the altitude of the airplane. The controllers have ways of identifying "primary" targets, and since the controllers knew where the planes were when they disappeared, all they had to do was highlight the "blip" and follow it. They could determine the speed the plane was traveling over the ground, but would have no idea where it was in relation to altitude. I had many, many up close and personal experiences with aircraft that had no transponders but were identified to me by controllers who had a "primary target only, altitude unknown" in my general area. As I pointed out earlier, each of the planes was followed up until almost the points of impact. It is true that they could not be followed below a certain altitude, but they were almost down by the time that happened.

Thank you Spaw for the "numbnuts" description of how the design of the buildings worked. That visual image is better than all the engineering descriptions combined.

When the designers made provision for a fully loaded 707 to hit the building they were calculating weight X mass. They did not, for whatever reason, take into consideration the resulting fire from the fully loaded fuel tanks. So whether it was a fully loaded 707 or a 767 the weight issue was moot. The buildings withstood the shock with just the expected swaying motion. They would still be up if it were not for the resulting fires. And just a small amount of fuel would have been needed for the huge fireballs that were initially visible. Remember that the planes had tons of Jet-A fuel on board. One gallon of jet fuel weighs approx. 6 pounds (depending on temperature). The heat above those damaged floors must have been like hell itself - remember many people jumped to their deaths rather than face the inevitable death by burning.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:57 PM

Yeah that was PBS Nova.
I didn't buy into their graphics of how the towers fell.

What was very poignant to me about that show was the section featuring the architect/designer of the WTC.

That was a man who had a window to his heart and gag upon his mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:33 PM

Well Bill, I DID! Or was it you who missed my posts????......you're over the hill you old coot.
.......simple shit never reads my stuff....***grumble***grumble***.....Rita's probably going nuts with him around.....

The WTC was unlike anything else. On one of the shows I finally heard a great explanation as to the strength of the design. If two people stand facing each other locking arms and lean back, they can stay that way with ease and for a very long time. If you break the arm lock, they fall and anything they're holding falls as well.

The beams and structural members that made up the floor/ceiling sections were simply strong enogh to hold the exo-skeleton in place. Adding weight to the floor actually made the building more rigid. No one argues that the firecoating material on these support structures was less than perfect and too thin to begin with. The concussive force also dislodged much of it as well. As soon as one floor gave way the pancaking began and there is some unbelievably excellent film of that happening now available. Again, I don't recall if that was the NOVA or Discovery/History/A&E programs but the footage was the best I had seen and the angle made it obvious how the fall happened.

As to the heat of the fire and the drafts created....ask the helicopter crews. Talk about guys still living it........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:30 PM

Thank you Harry, you have been a great tool.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST,Harry at Home Laboratories
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:27 PM

I've just tried a controlled experiment replicating the disaster
with a scale tower block made of lego
and and airfix plane filled with parafin..

and the result was a sticky molten mess on the carpet
and black noxious choking smoke..

I'm not really sure what to conclude..

But I couldn't find any remains of bodies, terrorist or otherwise..

[I employed civilan figures from my Dads train set
and airfix Bedouin warriors for the hijackers]

now I need to open all the windows before mum comes home from the shops.

don't know what to do about the carpet though..

Hope this helps support or disprove any theories.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:15 PM

and, as I said before....the hijackers only had to know enought to STEER the planes for an hour and to turn OFF the transponders so air traffic controllers couldn't find them!

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:11 PM

And London Bridge fell down.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:09 PM

good GRIEF! Hasn't anyone paid attention to the fact that THIS WAS NOT A STANDARD OLD-STYLE STEEL STRUCTURE, likesay, The Empire State Building..
There were NOT huge, thick steel beams in the towers, there were grids of smaller pieces, carefully interlocked, and coated with fireproofing material, **BECAUSE** they were not as fire resistant as old style girder! This was partially to SAVE WEIGHT in a tall building. This fireproofing was to deal with possible fires generated INSIDE the building.

When the impact shattered much of the structure, it also dislodged the fireproofing! Then, heat softened the remaining pieces...

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 03:00 PM

"It is fine for anyone to believe that Mohammed Atta's pristine wallet was found atop all the World trade center debris."

Pristine might not be the right word to use. It was found, as were others. Don't forget that pieces of the plane, body parts, etc. were found on the streets before the buildings collapsed.

"Because we need all minds to see our universe, we need minds that are strictly rational and can only describe events in rational terms. "

Very true. We need to continue to question and attempt to find the answers. It seems like many of are doing that.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:49 PM

And bravo gentlemen. The dvd of the convention of demolition theorists that was held last June in Los Vegas will keep the questions alive, which is nearly as important as the truth (whatever it may be)
It really is a hoot.

warning: do not use this WTC dvd for drinking games.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:38 PM

beardedbruce, say it ain't s:o I never took you for a bush apologist.
oh well btw
I was recently told the reason to vote for another Bush (any Bush)
It was O'Reilly. He said that Bush is not confused. He said the world is confused and so are the American people. The President must spend most of his valuable time explaining what the stakes are :!



yeah yeah, they are always long on stakes and short on procedure.



_____________________________________________________________________

Gentlemen, start your engines.
The first one to conclude with incontravertible, irrefuttable absolute certainty about the totality of the 9-11 scenario...WINS.

What do you win? A prize of course.

The prize would probably be disappearence or a puzzling suicide.
You are not meant to know. Otherwise Operation Bravo would have been included in the 9-11 Commission report.

I have no problem with anyone who can believe in a magic bullet theory. It is fine for anyone to believe that Mohammed Atta's pristine wallet was found atop all the World trade center debris. Its even fine that photos of 19 terrorists were neatly laid out in giant graphics for all the media to see on the afternoon of 9-11. (even if some of those photos belong to guys alive and well overseas)

Its all OK. Why?

Because we need all minds to see our universe, we need minds that are strictly rational and can only describe events in rational terms. We even need the people who are the opposite (I call them religionists) And we need people who are a little bit of both, because that is the true nature of the universe.
It ain't all rational and it ain't all irrational.
It just is, once all the other possiblities collapse.

!!We all know how the 9-11 events were used and abused by this administration after the event!!

To me that is virtually as bad as if they used and abused this country by allowing or even causing the events in the first place, which is why this debate is so heated.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:26 PM

"Keeping it going on a pre-set course might not be hard but turning a huge plane in midair and aiming it at a specific destination at 500 miles an hour might be just a tad more than I can handle."

It was probably more than the pilot could handle. From reports that are readily available online, it appears that the pilot was much too high to hit the target, so he made a 330 degree turn. However, it was not as if the turn was being made around the Pentagon. The turn was made in a rather wide circle and he came in to reach his target. It adds up to describe an inexperienced pilot who nearly broke the plane up with the stress that he put it under.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: GUEST,road hazard
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:18 PM

..and its not like they needed to learn anything difficult
like how to reverse...

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:16 PM

Should have added "I'm led to believe".

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:15 PM

If they knew their position and the bearing of the WTC they'd only need to turn the knobs on the autopilot to the correct heading and altitude. George would do the rest until they had visual contact.

Subject: RE: BS: Twin Towers Controlled Demolition?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Sep 06 - 02:08 PM

(Guest/Road Hazard- you got that right!)

If my life depended on it I'd give piloting a darn good try. Keeping it going on a pre-set course might not be hard but turning a huge plane in midair and aiming it at a specific destination at 500 miles an hour might be just a tad more than I can handle.