Can we lighten up a little?

Subject: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 09:21 AM

Here's a reprise of something I entered in another thread:

"Here's a vote for everybody being more relaxed about gaffes (maybe because I make so many of 'em.) The forum could be a friendlier, more comfortable place if we live by the convention that people get to do dumb things from time to time without having attention called to it. ... I may start a thread about this. But I'm afraid it may become another bone of contention!"

So, here's the new thread and I hope it becomes the starting point for a fun discussion, rather than a bone of contention.

A Mudcatter e-mailed me and said she hardly ever posts anything any more for fear of being criticized or fussed at for incorrectness. I sure would like it if we could go back to being a little more free-wheeling in our attitudes.

I've been guilty of some pretty snotty-sounding comments in the past myself, so have to remind myself to read and re-read what I've written, to see how it will sound to someone who can't see my expression or hear my tone of voice.

I think, if we want to send someone to the forum search or the DT, a simple statement, in the friendliest, least annoyed-sounding tone possible, would be a lot better in the long run than allowing one's annoyance to show. Those are the biggest problem areas.

The other biggest problem is people who want stuff that isn't really folk music. My spouse is Bill D, who is the purist of purist snobs. But my love of music is more eclectic, and I very much miss the off-the-wall song requests we used to get. One of my happiest Forum moments was when I bought the sheet music of "Poor Little Robin, Walking to Missouri" at a thrift shop, and a couple of weeks later someone asked for it in this Forum. What fun!

Can we leave a little more room for fun along with the scholarship? I hope so.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From:
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 10:25 AM

Thank You,Ferrara... You hit the Nail on the Head....

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Frank Maher
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 10:28 AM

Right On Ferrara!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ritchie
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 11:13 AM

Ferrara , I also , too , as well agree.

But I think of it more of a Blues forum and 'Blues' people don't get hung up about lyrics or types of music.

Dusty Springfield sadly, died yesterday but through the music she sang whatever it was ,blues ,folk or pop she still lives and that's nice.

Whoops Can we lighten up a little !!!!

love & happiness

Ritchie

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Neil Lowe (inactive)
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 11:14 AM

"let he who is without sin....."

And forgive me Lord, for I am most definitely a sinner....

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bert
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 11:27 AM

I'm with you all the way Ferrara.

I'm the worlds worst at terse messages, being an Ex-Limey AND an engineer. So I'll try to be better.

And I LOVE requests for songs that are already in the database. So many times I've been reminded of a song that I had forgotten. And even more times I see songs that I've never heard before, just because they are in DT it doesn't mean that I know them all.

Hands up everyone who knows ALL the 7000 plus songs in DT!!. Other than Dick and Susan that is.

Also it gives us a feel for what people are singing.

So keep sending in those requests.

Bert.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 12:29 PM

Bert, how can you be an ex-Limey?

Now, you weren't offended by that, I hope? You might read it as a criticism (destructive, constructive), a serious enquiry, a joke - this last might be nearest the mark. I certainly never set out to be rude to anyone, intentionally or otherwise (God's provided amply for that contingency!), and I often restrain myself from responding with the first thing that comes into my head, just in case someone takes it amiss. (It's a shame, 'cos it's usually very funny.) Can I modestly suggest that we do lighten up, and that we take the kindest view of anything that looks like it came from someone who hasn't lightened up?

Does that make sense? Be frank!

Steve

Oh, I've re-read this, and it looks like I'm addressing all my remarks to Bert - I'm not, but to all of us.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 12:52 PM

well met and well taken.

I just got rid of all of my change in all of my pockets. Does feel good to've lightened up. :-) Art

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Pete M
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 03:30 PM

Like Bert, I'm used to writing things formally and as concisely as possible, and find it difficult to break the habit. I must admit I wasn't aware of any less tolerance than usual, there's been the usual point scoring, but I've always taken that as I assume it to be intended, in good fun. I'm sure none of us set out to offend, and whilst I agree with you Ferrara, perhaps we should ask that those reading also apply some tolerance and don't assume the worst. As my favourite saying goes:

"Never ascribe to malice anything that can be explained by incompetance."

Pete M

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bert
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 03:50 PM

Re: Bert, how can you be an ex-Limey?

Well, I'm an American Citizen now, and no, I'm not offended. Although there seems to be a new kind of citizenship now called 'Mudcateer' to which we can all aspire.

I had noticed that several newcomers had been scolded recently for not searching the DT or the threads first and also for not titling their threads 'correctly'

Things had been getting out of hand regarding thread titles. I think what happens is that newcomers don't really know the best way so they copy the easiest way.

If we welcome them with a smile instead of scolding them, they will soon get the hang of things. I know that every one of us welcomes them.

Bert.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Chet W.
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 07:07 PM

Ferrara, with you all the way. I have pretty much stopped writing to the threads because of the behavior you mention; sadly, because I used to really enjoy the various debates. My theory is (and I learned most of what I know from the Andy Griffith Show) is that everybody's looking for their own safe little Mayberry, and for some of us, that haven takes the form of a particular, sometimes very narrow, genre of music. Having found that Mayberry (may we all find our own), they're ready to defend it and make maybe a bit too much of it in terms of sanctity, to the point of being intolerant or even hurting others' feelings, and we are a sensitive lot, aren't we? I love the variety of music. I love the variety of folk music. I love it when people add their own ideas to the ongoing traditions. I had my fill of what we used to call the "folk Nazis" many years ago (for example, if you didn't sound exactly like a Gid Tanner record from the 20's then get off the stage). God bless us all in our search for harbor; Please let's remember that we're all on the same trip.

Thanks for your comments, Chet W.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Eric_Storm
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 07:19 PM

As one of those poor people with less exposure to folk music, I'm always glad to see people asking for songs that are already in the DT.

I never would have known about a lot of wonderful songs if someone hadn't started a thread. Almost all of the songs I've pulled from the DT have been as a result of someone saying "I love this old song, anyone know the title?"

I say, let them post. After a day or two the thread will drop down the list and out of sight if people don't keep telling the world how sick they are of people asking for songs that are already in the database. I would hope that they wouldn't tell their kids "I'm tired of you bugging me, there are books in the library on how to build a tire swing. Go figure it out yourself").

E.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Brakn
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 07:23 PM

I don't mind threads by people who are looking for anything, whatever it may be. Any kind of music. What I think is grim, is Mudcatters, putting in threads that are nonsense. What do Mudcatters .......?
I want to respond to people that are interested in finding out about songs, whatever genre. I try to be into everthing, and if I'm not, I probably don't understand it.
Mick Bracken

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 07:35 PM

Well folks, my apologies if I offend 'cause I try not to, but it is hard to read a comment without hearing the voice inflection and tell where the person is coming from. I love Mudcat and feel this is a home among friends and I think all of us want to keep having the often deep discussions we do while extending understanding and courtesy to each other.

So all that said...Ferrara dear, do you think you can do something about Bill?

THAT'S A JOKE...JUST A JOKE!!!! But it is an example of how we can offend without hearing the speaker. The *GRIN* and SMILE helps as do the smiley face icons. BUT, so to speak, have you seen the ass icons? I'll have to dig those up. (_!_) a regular ass; (_^o^_) a wise ass: (__!__) a fat ass; (__X__) kiss my fat ass; there's a lot but I'll have to round them up.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: ddw in windsor
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 08:32 PM

Hi Ferrara....

Good thought... I almost backed out of Mudcat after I got a couple of what seemed like terse or chiding replies to things I posted, but I stuck with it an I'm glad I did.

What I'm particularly enjoying -- aside from learning a lot about music -- is the wit and wisdom of what seems like a pretty good bunch of people.

Re: Catspaw's posting above.

Thanx for a good chuckle.

ddw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bbelle
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 09:15 PM

Ferrara ... Thank you. To all the rest ... I was the person who emailed Ferrara with my concerns about the tone of the Mudcat Forum. I didn't even visit the site for quite a while and since have simply "lurked." This site has a lot of mature people who are a wealth of information regarding traditional music. I've "heard" a tremendous amount of "heart" coming through these threads, but in the last few months, the tone of the forum turned cold and unforgiving. I want to communicate with individuals who have heart and intelligence and humor, not individuals who are sarcastic and unforgiving. I was attacked in front of my house in early December and haven't felt safe anywhere since, so I would like to tune into this site and feel some semblance of safeness. This certainly is a wordy tome and perhaps, as my mother used to say, I'm just talkin' to hear my brains rattle! Enough said ... peace to all ... jenny

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 09:52 PM

I understand and empathise with you, Jenny, on feeling safe. Three years ago, in the middle of the night, when I was driving my daughter to the hospital emergency room, someone came up fast, in their car, behind me, on a dark and lonely road and shot a gun across the back of my car, then roared on past us. I was terrified to drive alone, at night, for over a year after that. I hope you do find the serenity of feeling safe, again, in your home and here at the Mudcat.

I found the Mudcat in January, the same month my mother passed away, my dog tried to eat the cat, and my older dog had to be put down. Despite my sometimes thin-skin and the temper which gave me the nickname of "Irish" when I was younger, I do not think I could've kept my sanity were it not for the regulars on here who wrote such kind notes of concern and care during those tough times. So many times, when I couldn't sleep, I'd find myself chuckling or even crying while visiting with new-found friends who asked nothing of me except a good listen.

Yes, I've taken offense at terse replies and I'm sure I've given offense, but, as I said in a thread nobody has posted to, "If M'Catters Ruled the world" (can't get it right all of the time, eh?***grin*** no offense taken), I have found the regulars and visitors all to be generally tolerant, well-spoken, and delightfully eclectic in their opinions about almost anything. I find it delightful to come to a site where one might have to use their brain and a dictionary from time to time, as opposed to some of the chat sites I've checked out, where a running conversation consists of "duh"; "no way"; "yes, way!"; and "duh!".

If I've offended anyone, please, accept my apologies. I hope the regulars keep up with the pithy, witty, ripostes and the incredible amount of information about music and other matters of digression. I forward a lot of them to my 82 yr. old dad, who has decided Mudcatters are a "fine bunch of people"; no small compliment, that, coming from him.

Welcome to anyone seeking info on a song, name in the thread title, or no, but please keep up the friendly banter!

Sincerely and Without Malice Aforethought,

Katlaughing, P.S. Catspaw: how do you sign a "nice ass"?:')))

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 09:52 PM

Communication is such a tricky thing. Sometimes we say something to be funny and people hear it as sarcastic or insensitive. We all probably watch the threads where we've posted something to see if anyone has posted a reaction, hopefully positive. Sometimes the worst response is no response at all.

Just rambling here, but I wanted to say something to sympathize with Jenny and don't know what to say. It takes a lot of strength to be unafraid, especially after something bad has happened.

But on the lighter side, even some of the anal-retentive responses from those few whose lives seem to depend on such details are really amusing. Take them lightly. Assume humor.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: mountain tyme
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 10:11 PM

Thanks for the insite Ferrara. I hadn't noticed! Thought all the Mudcat folks were a blast. Never noticed any (!) tight ass coments. I expected some of the less practiced singers were (_._) flat ass but so what, it's a start. Noticed a little exasperation from time to time but never a (_*_) sore ass. Have sat up late nights to enjoy the banter and made me a (_zzz_) tired ass. I just love when 49 cats is a (_o^^o_) wise ass. And then there's Joe O who always has a good answer, he must be a (_E=3Dmc2_) smart ass. Sounds like a pretty well balanced comunity. Just plain folks I spect!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Elizabeth
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 10:47 PM

Thanks Ferrara, it was to my gaffe that you started this thread and as a brand new Mudcatter I really appreciate your kind words. As a refugee from banal chat rooms I find the Mudcat forum a treasure trove of interesting stuff and fascinating people. In response to your comments about purists, my belief is that the "contemporary" folk of people like Mary Black, Luka Bloom etc. will be the trad of the future!! So viva la difference!!! Cheers all, Elizabeth :-)

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bbelle
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 11:19 PM

Thanks for the kind words ... as I told a friend "the physical trauma will heal; the emotional may never" but I'm working on it and humor is wonderful medicine. BTW, has anyone besides me seen Bob Dole's ED commercials? I sleep with my tv on and was awakened one morning last week to the sound of Bob Dole's dissertation on ED ... and I've been shaking my head every since. Is nothing sacred? Does that make him a sad (_ * _) or bad (_*_)? jenny

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: gargoyle
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 11:41 PM

This Little LIGHT

of Mine

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: BK
Date: 04 Mar 99 - 11:52 PM

From my perspective this place is generally great. I'm sure anybody - certainly me - can be less generous on occasion than we ought to be, but overall, I don't see near the hostile ego-tripping put-downs that I've encountered elsewhere in cyberspace. In fact the general tone of friendliness & amazing erudition is pretty fantastic!

Having said that, I'm sure the situation w/regard to naming threads & using the database could be better, and sometimes better handled, but over-all it's OK. Are there "dumb" threads? I suppose so, from a given perspective.. but you don't have to read much of one - or respond. I just think it's pretty mellow.

I also think that if Jenny can talk abt what happenned to her here, even if not in possibly traumatic detail, it's a good sign abt the health of the Mudcat.

Jenny: don't let the scum gt you down.

Cheers, BK

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 12:02 AM

No Jenny, it doesn't. But it made me feel like the biggest dumb ass...(__?__)...on the planet for getting suckered into that stupid commercial. At first I'm thinking it's about courage...OK, no..courage in facing cancer, oh,yeah, I see, no,no...it's prostate cancer...sure, that's a big topic now,no...I got it ...it's about ED...WHAT?...SAY WHAT? For chrissakes Bob, be happy to be alive!!!!!!!! A close friend just had a really close call with prostate cancer and I can assure you he isn't too worried about erections! My best friend died of cancer on November 1 and hadn't had sex in three years and I can assure everyone including old Bob that neither he nor his wife cared a farthing.

Besides, there are some things the human mind is not meant to absorb or comprehend...and one of these is Bob Dole with an erection! Or Nancy Reagan having an orgasm. Or Tipper Gore having a BM. Simply too much.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Pete M
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 12:38 AM

I'd just like to clear up a couple of points. Several people have mentioned directly or by implication, the "Folk Police", as if there was a move to keep the 'Cat "pure". I know Bill and I amongst others have a fairly stringent definition of what is "folk", but I don't recall anyone, and certainly not either of us, trying to limit discussions to songs which fall within that definition.

On the point of including songs which would not be in anyone's definition of folk, Bill and I both expressed concern earlier this year in the "Future of Mudcat" thread, but that was; and I think we made it clear; over a concern for the implementation of the system, ie the hardware, software and network being overwhelmed beyond Max's resources to maintain it if the site became known as a general resource for all such requests; not an attempt to censure.

If I think something could be misconstrued I try and include an emoticon or parenthetical comment, but I suppose it is inevitable that at times we all get grumpy and are less polite than we should be so once again Sorry patrdon (Anyone else remember "The Navy Lark"?) if anyone is or has been offended by anything I've said.

Pete M

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 03:40 AM

Well, as Oscar Wilde once said, Folk is not what other people sing, Folk is what one sings oneself.

Pete, start a new thread on the Navy Lark; there must be a lot of poor deprived people in America who have never heard it.

Steve "left hand down a bit" Parkes

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ferrara
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 08:39 AM

Well, I've been reading all this with much interest but haven't stuck in my 2cents worth because you guys are saying it all. But I have to report to catspaw49 that Bill read this thread before I did. When he read what you wrote about him, he laughed so hard we could hear him three rooms away.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Allan C.
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 09:19 AM

As someone else mentioned, it is easy to jot off a line or two without recognizing how it might be perceived by someone who can't see the expression on your face or hear your intended tone of voice. There is at least one other discussion group in which I have participated which has implemented a sort of stopgap for this and many other posting problems.

On the site I have used extensively the opportunity is given the posting party (Wow - Posting Party - Sounds like a fun thing!) to actually see the post as it would actually appear. This allows the opportunity to re-read the post for content, meaning, expression, punctuation, etc. as well as a chance to check to see if there are any HTML glitches. By the way, at the bottom of each posting box is a separate box in which one can paste a web address which might be pertinent to the discussion. No need for a bunch of HTML lingo there. Just cut and paste the address!

I think such things would be great additions to the 'Cat. It would make for a very easy and non-threatening way of referring people to the DT and possibly have the added effect of helping us to be an even friendlier and more helpful place to visit.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bud
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 11:09 AM

I've always found things very friendly in here. Some of the best fights I've had have been with my brothers. I would consider it to be the sincerest form of flattery that some of you might care enough to fight about the intention of one of my messages.

Having said that, "You're all a bunch of freaks"

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 01:43 PM

Oh, yeah, Bud? Well, I would refer everyone to read the lyrics to "I don't want to play in your yard" Box 105, Item 77 in the Lester Levy Collection in the "links" from Mudcat. Maybe we should adopt it as the official Mudcat song!

Is that "freak" as in something that happened by accident or, as in you mean we are all eccentric, oddities, or mentally twisted, as my Thesaurus states? OR, perhaps you meant as Shakespeare wrote, "Great wits are sure to madness near allied".

Or, should we post this, for unkowing souls to ponder before they enter, "O, that way madness lies; let me shun it."

NO OFFENSE INTENDED or NOI could become code for us all. kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Reta
Date: 05 Mar 99 - 10:15 PM

Thank you Ferrara! God bless.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ferrara
Date: 06 Mar 99 - 08:25 AM

Kat, I loved the NOI suggestion!

Also, as an ex-programmer, I don't go around frivolously suggesting that anyone reprogram any code that's up and running. But if a set of rules for naming threads was shown at the top of the "Create a New Thread" page, it might eliminate the source of a lot of road rage on Mudcat's stretch of the information superhighway.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 03:41 AM

Those of you who aren't familiar with "The Fast Show" on BBC tv won't know about the character who says things like, "you know, you've got a really big nose! No offence intended ...". I think it's funny - it takes a lot to upset me - but don't forget that if something is offensive, saying it's not intended won't actually make it better!

Steve "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" Parkes

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From:
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 05:58 AM

<,kidding>, You have to be tollerant of others' faults. Mine is that perfect and loveable in every way exccept for the one fault. In my case being snotty and offensive. Well, maybe I have a spelling challenge too. <,/kidding>,

Seriously, I think the tendency of people in this forum to be snotty and self-righteous about what is folk is on the wane.

I have to admit that in the last eight weeks I have been less active than usual, so I might be missing something. Jenny, what was your bad experience?

Murray

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From:
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 05:59 AM

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Frank in the swamps
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 06:19 AM

Aarrgh, You sensitive types are always getting on us oafs, do you really think we like being the source of everybodies hurt feelings? Do you think we like eating off of tin plates cuz nobody trusts us near the china? You act like it's our fault we have long legs, take long strides, and swing our fists in wide arcs inadvertantly knocking things (and folks) about. It's about time you stopped picking on us oafs. Obtuse, thick skinned dolts have feelings too (somewhere), so STOP PICKING ON US!

Frank in the stormy, stormy swamps.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ferrara
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 08:03 AM

You guys are weird (NOI)

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 01:07 PM

Ferrara ... I just pointed out to Bert on another thread that we are not all young but fortunately we can be immature! Youth is truly wasted on the young when they act maturely...What fun is that??? On yet another thread, with my thanks to "A Celtic Harper," I found the perfect test site! Why not try it out on Bill? If he doesn't react well, you may have to consider canning the dolt. So turn your speakers on and go to the IMMATURITY TEST SITE

Best of luck with Bill.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ferrara
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 02:50 PM

whoa! That site left me grinning.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Barbara
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 07:10 PM

Hi crew, Ferrara; the immaturity test site was lifted, I think, from this location:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/4157/update.html
where you can also find out about all them amazing little critturs and that dang tune that is so hard to get rid of (give you a clue, Roger Miller's partly to blame).
And thanks for a reminder we needed, Rita.
Speak in haste, repent at length.
Blessings,
Barbara

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 07:51 PM

Actually, I have found this group to be among the most civilized, intelligent and tasteful that I have as yet encountered in the this theoretical world known as cyberspace...except maybe for Art that curmudgeonly ghost-magnet..and possibly Gargoyle with his light-hearted approach to group sexual assault...oh,yeah, and maybe Catspaw with those x-rated satirical re-writes of otherwise wholesome show tunes...and Fielding with his little Jukebox sabotaging inclinations...Oh Yeah, and Joe Offer with his "One more crack outta you and its off to the Christian Deer Agony Web Site" comments...ALMOST forgot Wolfgang (Hell) and his " Bitte taken your little 'Need Lyrics to' thread und schuff it"...not to neglect Frank, who comes stumbling out of the swamp every few hours to make a big mess on our nice clean carpet...and Mr Vulva-plough Bruce O...and ...OK!I admit it! Lonesome EJ can be a bit of a pain,too!Well I for one do hereby promise to LIGHTEN UP a LITTLE! At least for a half an hour til I can think of something else that will get on everybody's nerves......LEJ

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 08 Mar 99 - 08:22 PM

I don't know...I'd never have thought i was too mature, but the Hampster (sic) Dance didn't get me up and boppin', so I guess there's no hope for me. Of course, the fact that I couldn't hear the music may have had something to do with it. --seed

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 09:29 PM

Hey folks,

Seems that, quite often lately, whenever I try to crack a tongue-in-cheek joke, even when I put a ;-) at the end, someone feels I'm gorin' their ox. Sorry 'bout that. Did not mean harm to anyone. I do realize I'm a bit out of step with modern pop folk thought. So be it. We all are what we are. Just try to remember that, as I've mentioned in these threads before, 30% of the people are against everything all the time...

Art

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 09:55 PM

Art, you are a diamond in the rough. Don't change a thing! And the same to Gargoil, Joe, Sandy, Catspaw, Bruce,Wolfgang, Rick and Frank. You guys are the spice in this here kettle of gumbo and don't ya forget it.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 10:46 PM

Listen here, Thieme. I got a little seniority in these here precincts, and I am telling you this. I love you dearly, but if you change one damn thing about your approach to the 'Cat, the MS will be the last of your worry's. You are part of the turf that this place is built on, and I would advise those that have a problem with your style to do a forum search using your name. That way they will get an education as to what we are about, and what a valuable asset you are. If they still don't get it, they won't be around long anyway.

All the best,

Big Mick

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Mar 99 - 11:24 PM

Hey what is this Art???? Geez, when I first came to Mudcat, I looked through a lot of old threads and your bad puns and humor were one of the reasons I loved this place...'cause the bad puns are an essential part of Art, as is the unbelievable knowledge and experience housed in your brain. The times we've traded insults and the times when you've recognized my opinion have been real highlights...I mean like I'm freakin' honored. Everyone around this place values your opinions and many of us are envious of the life you've led. The lightening up is not directed at you by any means...more like at me. I always wanted to be Groucho Marx or George S Kaufman. And my mind now works in strange ways...ie: thread title says "songs that moved me" and the first thing in my mind is "Prune Juice" done to the tune of "Wild Thing"...I apologized for it, but the other day someone asked what comes after the first 2 lines of "Here Comes Peter Cottontail"---I responded, NAUSEA!!!

No Art, I've always looked forward to your posts. Mudcat is filled with very literate and knowledgeable folks who freely share their opinions. None of us want to offend but I have never read anything of yours which could be considered offensive, SO.........Take Mick's threat to heart. Thanks to Mudcat a lot of us know where you live and will show up and tickle the crap/piss out of you while reading a litany of bad jokes and horrendous puns.

I'd send 'Paw and Cletus, but Clete seems to have blown a few neurons since he saw the Immaturity test on this thread and hasn't turned it off in two days.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 12:27 AM

Art,

We need you! A little Art "for art's sake" is just what gives the delightful twist to our times here at the Mudcat and even, our day!

Newcomers need to observe, study, and then be bold, like the rest of us!
(I am reminded of my first board meeting at Planned Parenthood, here, in the land of ultra-conservatism, where every fiftieth sagebrush has a Republican (US-type) hidden behind it, if they haven't burned it off or plowed it under!

Anyway, there I sat, fresh from ten yrs in the hotbed of liberalism: Northampton, MA and other pasts East, mouthing off about the darn Republicans and their anti-choice rhetoric, when all of a sudden this very cultured woman across from me says she's a Republican, as are most of them seated there! Boy, I learned to observe and assess really fast after that. Now I don't make judgement calls or snap judgments without being sure of who I'm talking about, and me an op/ed writer and all!)

After all, if it weren't for those of you who've always been here and the rest of us who've learned, there wouldn't be a Mudcat for anyone to come to, or if there was, it would be a mere, quavering and cringing ghost shadow of the one we all know and love.

I meant every word I said before and I really don't think we all need to become a bunch of sniveling apologists!(NOT that you have ever sounded like that, either!)

NOI!

Anyway, I say this is the way it is, get over it. We will try to be as clear as possible in our intent and include a few ***grins*** while we're at it, but what we do here is damn good fun and I wouldn't have it any other way! Hey, even the Virginian didn't shoot Trampas, when he, the Virginian, warned him to "Smile when you call me that!" I'M SMILING!!!

Love you all!

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Pete M
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:13 AM

Whilst art should not seek to offend, that which offends no one is not art (nor Art).

Pete M

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 08:19 AM

Well then, CONDOM, CONDOM, CONDOM, CONDOM, CONDEMN, CONDESCEND, CONDOR!!! And another thing, RUBBER!

Katey, what is this NOI thing? Are you, like me, Jewish and meant to say "OI"?

We finally got moved in a bad snow & all is well. We had wonderful help from at least 20 Jehovah's Witnesses and our son Christopher with 3 trucks in a seemingly endless line of boxed musical items & books & even something to sleep on. (Carol's a Jehovah's Witness; yep, we agree to disagree as long as nobody tries (too hard) to convert me.) Had a fine pizza party at the end of it. New digs are smaller but better & more accessible. As I age & change, life is a bit like that---better & more accessible..

Thanks to all the Mudcatters too. We DO TRULY get by with a ton o' help from our friends!! Mick, it is an amazing game/community we are in. But where is Harpgirl? I miss her lately.

Love to you all,

Art

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 09:13 AM

Art,

Oi, vey! Is not what I meant, sorry. In an earlier posting to this thread, I wrote perhaps we should use that acronym for shorthand when we mean no offense, as in No Offense Intended - NOI.

Glad to hear you got moved okay. Oh, and in case any one missed it in an earlier thread...if ya' want CONDOMS, in matchbook covers, imprinted with your band name, I think the vendor is still in business!

kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 11:54 AM

Hey Art! Was that a CONDOM-minium you moved to? Or a CONDOM-minimum?:)

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ferrara
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 12:18 PM

Art et al., anyone who has a strong personal style is bound to seem offensive to some people, even if their style is to try to be really inoffensive! -- The trick is, to be able to distinguish between teasing someone about their style, and harassing them about it! Where would Mudcat be without teasing? But harassment and heavy criticism is jarring. End of sermon (for now at least).

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 12:19 PM

Dear Art,

Are you ready for a CONvoy of CONDOMS to be delivered into your waiting arms via CONveyor belt to your CONDO (good one LEJ)?

I kid you not, when I was selling those promotional items, we had delayed orders because they got held up for "quality testing". What visions of "testing" we had in our minds! Actually, we were told they were tested by machines, much as cars are. I imagine a giant assembly room floor, filled with upright banana-shaped, hollow rods of steel, all going up and down with a precision thumping of cogs and wheels filling the place with the din of screeching machinery, working to the utmost capacity to ensure our right to be disease, etc. free! Ahh, what "lengths" they will go to for the mighty CONsumer!

Laughingly-Kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:36 PM

Well Kat, maybe there's a way for Mudcat to profit in all this. We could sell our own with the name right there? Cool..."Mudcatters Choice Pro Line Rubbers"...I can see it now.....different models......Art Thieme Model has a bad joke on each one; Sandy Paton Model includes a free CD telling of one of their fornication research and collection trips; Big Mick Model says Welcome to Mudcat down the side; Joe Offer Model has 524 page instruction booklet on how to install; catspaw Model is already unwrapped and unrolled and just lays there like a bowl of Quaker Puffed Oats; the Bill and Pete Traditional is made of sheepskin for repeated usage; Lonesome EJ Model says Hot Damn, Doncha' Just Love It?; Katlaughing Model has tiny joy buzzer in the end so each party goes whooopeee on each stroke; Wolfgang(Hell) people will buy just for the name. Man, how great...each 'catter with a model and something to satisfy each discerning condom buyer. And what about Dental Dams? More$$$$ You may be onto something here kat.

NOI

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:44 PM

Say I just read Bert's John Henry entry on hammer swinging and we could have the Bert Model with that explanation on the package...nobody would have to know it was about hammers!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bert
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:48 PM

It's NOT MY FAULT that a hammer happens to have a head and a shaft.

Bert.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:54 PM

Dammit "Cat" why can't I have my own model too? Perhaps a line of pre-war, pearl-inlayed, brazilian ones. I could advise folks to never by a new one over a vintage one. Now I'd never use the slogan "Buy Used!" But how about "pre-loved".

My God, I can't believe this! Three months of exposure to Art and Catspaw, and I've joined the "ranks of raunch!" My mother must be turning in her grave!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:58 PM

Actually Rick I was thinking about you and Implosive Pedro...but I hadn't put it together yet...yours is definitely better and welcome to the R of R.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bassen
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 02:51 PM

So we're back to ‚…“ again huh? I can't help it, this one's forcing me from the dark ranks of the lurking into the threadening light. Tho' definitely a fringe 'cateer, I propose my own brand so as to avoid RUBBERing anyone the wrong way: Bassen's Best for Elderly Instruments.

bassen

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 04:03 PM

Bassen! What a great idea! World's First SupportCondom!

Oh and Ferrara...Could we really lighten up any MORE ?

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Pete M
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 04:31 PM

Hey Catspaw, don't forget the 'downstream opportunities'. Repair kits for punctures, 'Go faster' stripes, spray on suede finish etc.

Pete M

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: harpgirl
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 04:48 PM

Hey Art, What do you get when you cross a Jehovah's Witness with an aetheist? Someone who rings your door bell for no reason!!! NOI *chuckle* harpgirl

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 07:04 PM

Rick, I know...it's all or nothin', eh? What a good influence they are!

I propose we also have those special ones which are advertised as "ribbed", so that anyone in a jocular mood could give someone else a "good ribbing"!

Along with the racing stripes Pete M. suggested, how 'bout a little smoke "bomb", so that when you "peel out" and squeal, you get the full effect of "burning rubber"!

Also, if we had some specially imprinted with the Mudcat logo, would we have to watch for those at all of the fairs, in order to identify one another, or at least those who have the appropriate appendage to attach them to? Course, I guess we girls could run around with imprinted dental dams, fully clothed, at that! ***LMAO*** I have got to stop this!

Harpgirl, that was a great joke.

Bawdily/Bodily Yours,

kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 07:25 PM

See ... nothing we can't accomplish with just a little creative thought and enough 'catters. By all means we need to go the accessory route...perhaps a nice tuck and roll, or pom-poms all around with fuzzy dice hanging from the tip! What about a nice sound system too? Especially for the quickie models this could help establish the tempo. Short time skivvy model plays Irish Washerwoman?

Oh and the burning rubber thing should be standard, don't you think...except on Bill D.'s Traditional model? EJ old buddy, you have a point...this thread is already lighter than hydrogen!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Robin
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 07:30 PM

Thanks to all of you who lightened up this thread. Could it be you're brighter than the others? Just kidding!? can't say NO! Help!!!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 10:39 PM

CATSPAW, YOU ARE A SICK PUPPY!!!! I REALLY, REALLY LIKE THAT IN A MAN!

I am sitting here laughing my ass off, with tears running down my face, my 7 year old asking me if I am OK, and the two cats looking at me like I have a tail. Thanks to you and Katlaughing (who I must meet one day, if the Fair Alison will let me)for the best laugh I have had today. I am two weeks out from an organizing election, and a week away from St. Pat's. The pressure is pretty intense, and you folks made my day.
Quintessential Mudcat!!

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 10:52 PM

Happy to do it Mick...Knew you'd surely have a full St.Pat's but an oganizing election too...full boat yuh got there.

I love these people and this place...When I'm ready to just chuck it in...someone always comes through with a good thought, a piece of education to make me think, a great story, or a good laugh. We are the most unique place on the web...a REAL community.

Good Luck with your org.elect. You do important work.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Pete M
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 10:55 PM

AAARRRGGGHHHH! not the fluffy dice Catspaw. Have some mercy! Mind you I think a set of morris bells would go nicely with the sheepskin model.

Then of course theres always the 'Sailor's friend', 24oz canvas, tarred at the seams, complete with fid, palm, and needle for running repairs.

Oh the funding of the 'Cat is secure at last!

Pete M

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 12:31 AM

Pete M,

Would that be the sheepskin you'd be using that neddle on, now? Faith I've seen a few ******* in my time what could use a bit o' stitching oop!

And as long as you've a needle and thread to hand, why not embroider them like doilies, then our mums wouldn't mind so awful much, do ya' think? We could make fair and crazy quilt stitchery on them for them what's sooo traditional and all!

Big Mick,

My cats are positive I've a tail, as my ass was laughed off with these last few. Glad we were all able to "rise to the ocassion"! If you'd only come to Montana, perhaps we'd meet (w/ fair Alison's blessing of course.)

You know in these cold parts, it'd really be nice if, for those of us who can't tolerate wool (sensitive-skinned (faded)redheads ya' know?), we could have some made out of fake fur, but I don't know if I'd want the fur turned inside or out; I 'spose those what hang down might do with a bit of warmth turned in, to keep it cozy and they do say things seem to rise when heated, so....

Now then, which one of you brave souls is going to be the guinea pig for all of these designs? And who'll be your willin' partner? No, no don't tell me, just post the results here on the best site of the Net!

I think I'm spent, me boyos!

G'night! katlaughing

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: alison
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:04 AM

Hi,

Thought you'd appreciate the thread Mick,(you keep telling me they don't call you Big Mick for nothing...... now it looks though people are starting to believe you **grin**.....)

It's a shame you all aren't closer.... it's a bit too far for us Aussies to go........ but trust me we'd love to.

I'd like to meet catspaw too... want to find out just how he knew how many letters to put up the side of that condom................... **grin** but didn't he leave out the second half... "Welcome to Mudcat...and have a nice day."?

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:30 AM

Just a guess Wendy, ..er,uh ..Alison........Amazing the travel of a joke in this cyber age.......but it certainly wasn't through experimentatation as you'll notice the catspaw model is already "unwrapped and unrolled and lying there like a bowl of Quaker Puffed Oats." Kinda' pathetic and probably won't be a big seller.

And Pete M., truly a traditionalist aren't you mate? Fids, palms, and tarred 24 ounce indeed!!! Perhaps a bit of something in an asymetrical cut Spectra-Kevlar would be interesting...tarred 24.......How did you guys take the Cup anyway???

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:59 AM

Amazing how the "What kind of Condoms Do Mudcatters prefer?" thread continues to raise its head..er..pop up.. I mean, continues to recur. Despite our misgivings,we continue to plunge in, again and again. In the absence of any organized resistance, it manages to poke and probe, relentlessly insinuating itself into the collective consciousness.Alas, must every innocent ejaculation of verbal joy be fraught with double meaning?! Scorn the Condom! Withdraw, I say! The quality of our mutual intercourse is in jeopardy! I would labor like a Trojan to free us from this long, slow slide into oblivion! Sleepers Awake! The noble cock has already risen-his cries penetrate the heavens from yonder hill!

OK. Now I need a cigarette.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 02:40 AM

BRAVO, LEJ! BRAVO!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 02:51 AM

I'm an insomniac, but why are you two still up? Dammit Lonesome, I was about to finally pass out and you crank out...wait a minute,skip the "crank"...OK, post ....no, scratch that...and scratch the scratching...there's gotta' be a non-genital way to say this .. come up with...aw crap ....... just stop it tonight...I gotta' get some rest.

Let's all three just go to bed ......WHOA, WHOA, WHOA....

help

TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTERS...PREPARE FOR ANOTHER DAY OF BAD JOKES AND GOOD FRIENDSHIP...GOOD NIGHT!!!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 03:49 AM

Well, I for one am certainly glad to see amodicum of common sense returning to this thread. It's rather unfair on us vasectomees, who can't join in!

I cna share this piece of wisdom, though (and stop me if you've heard it before): over on this side of the pond, condom dispensers bear the words "manufactured and tested in Great Britain"; it's usual for some wag to add, "so was the Titanic!".

Steve "bareback, but too modest to mention it" Parkes

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:43 PM

I'm thinking what we need is a perpetually running "Smart-Ass" thread...a place for quick and possibly offensive wisecracks with a first post explaining that no one should be offended by anything they read here, these are just stupid jokes that we gotta' get out. Like on thread titles...It's hard at times not to throw out some smart aleck line just for a laugh. Like right now, look at some of them......

"Grandfather born 18-- sang a ditty" -- Yep, popped right out of the womb and gave everyone a rousing rendition of Yankee Doodle.

"Sad Song by Jean Redpath" -- Oh yeah, that narrows it down a lot.

"Song about 64 Buffalo" -- Sorry, I only know one about 62 buffalo...but would you settle for 76 trombones?

"Song that Moved Me" -- to the tune of "Wild Thing" how bout a real favorite, "Prune Juice.. ..You Make My Bowels Loose.. ..Prune Juice.. ..You Really Move Me....>I Gotta' Go For Sure>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well I feel beter already. NOI

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 01:54 PM

WELL! SOOOOO SORREEEE! I don't KNOW the friggin' name of the Sad Song, OKAY!? ***LOL***

NOI

That's where you all come in, right!

Here's my vote for a perpetual smart ass thread; may it go on, and on, and on....

kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bert
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 02:03 PM

Catspaw,

I think we need a liberal dose of wisecracks throughout Mudcat. If we gathered them all in one place those other threads would get real stuffy. (after all we can only stand so much technical discussion on swinging a hammer)
So make 'em as the mood strikes.

Bert.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: reggie miles
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 01:26 AM

Thanks all for the postings both technical and others like this where you all share so much of yourselves. I'm new to this cyber-realm and this site but have found it to be a delightful place to prowl through and and post to. I'm very glad to have found it.

Steve, perhaps for those of you who have had the old snip job, the big "V", a cream or jelly filled model. **grin**

Just tryin' to help. Have you heard the Limelighters singing my friend Larry Heagle's song "Vasectomy".

Reggie

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 01:49 AM

Well, I know the name of the

song, but you people are so__________ that I'll be damed if I'd tell ya.

Love,

Artie

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 03:42 AM

Not yet Reggie - It's only a matter of time though, knowing the 'Cat.

Steve

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 08:07 AM

C'mon Art...You ARE DAMED, you're married. So pass on the answer...or not...personally, I don't give a dame. I'm very satisfied with Karen and I'm not into that swappin' thing.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 10:28 AM

Artie & Catspaw,

Did I miss something? Jean Redpath's sad song when played backwards is about swapping? Now, I AM totally confused!

Pity, sirs, please take pity on this poor memory-challenged woman! It's not her fault the brain cells don't fire!

***grin***Kat(not)laughing, just crying a river

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Penny
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 04:28 PM

Can't say that all this thread has appealed to me, but I have to say that by comparison with another discussion area I have just investigated, run by a well known British liberal, or raving leftie (according to viewer) paper, you are, even when querulous and challenging, a friendly and welcoming bunch, and do not need to worry about lightening up at all.I shan't be going back there much. I can't keep away from here. I just wish you had not shown me the way to those hamsters!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 06:16 PM

Penny, why has this thread not appealed to you?

Rick

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Robin McG
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 07:09 PM

There was a father and his little boy that went into a local drug store to pick up a prescription. While in the store the little boy came upon a rather large display for condoms. The little boy looked at all the brightly colored packages and different types and quanities. He asked "Daddy, what are these condom?" The father, stuttered, and said "Well, they are for protection from diseases when a man and a woman make love." The little boy contemplated the concept for a few moments and then asked "Then why do they come in packages of three?" The father coyly answered "Those are for young men in high school. One for Friday night, oe for Saturday night and one for Sunday afternoon." "uh-huh" said the little boy "then why are these in packges of six?" The father smiled"Those are for young men in college. There are two for Friday night, two for Saturday night and two for Sunday afternoon." "WOW" said the little boy in amazement. He then asked "Well, then why are these packaged a dozen at a time?" The father answered "Those, my son, are for marred men. One for January, one for February...."

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 11:16 PM

Hey, Kat,

Please don't cry a river. You can:

Fry me a liver,
Fry me a liver, Art

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Mar 99 - 11:53 PM

Well, Art, is that a clue? You know I am dyin' to get my hands on a cd of Jean's that has that song on it. It made me bawl my eyes out. I was overwhelmed with a great flood of overcoming emotions, great big bangs went off in my heart, I saw the world in true technicolour, I was spinning in the sky like Lucy, holding on to Gideon's like Rocky, twisting like Chubby, and wailing like Janis. I really want to experience all of THAT AGAIN!Pretty Please?!

Hey, if that doesn't work, how 'bout I get rough with ya'? ***sadistic grin*** We have ways of making you talk, ya' know! Or type!

kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 12:09 AM

Kat My Dear...

That was your heart valve problem and you were having a stroke...Sorry.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 01:09 AM

Whew! Catspaw, now I'll have to tell Rog it wasn't an orgasm!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Penny
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 12:00 PM

Rick Fielding - the spirit of it has, or I wouldn't be here, but I'm an old fashioned sort of person, easily embarrassed. OK? You have to admit it changed subject a bit on the way down.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 12:41 PM

Catspaw & Art,

Please see the "jean redpath" thread...my pleas have been answered! By Jean, herself!

Penny, sorry if we offended you. At least in cyberspace no one can see a person blush:-).

Kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 01:18 PM

Thanks Penny, I know what you mean. The first time a guitar thread veered off to a condom thread, I went "Whoops", but I've really gotten to appreciate the "raunchy" mudcatters. I can just picture the sly grins as they shake things up. Guess I'll have to get out all those Oscar Brand "Bawdy songs and Backroom Ballads" albums. The Ed McCurdy ones as well.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 01:35 PM

Trust me Rick...my Mom undoubtedly is doing a few flips at minus six herself, but.....

"There is only what is; what should be never existed."

Helluva' quote huh? That comes from being a philosophy major at a liberal arts college in the '60's. Kierkegaard, Buber, Sarte, Barth...all those great minds were bound to have an influence. 'Course that quote which I tend to live by comes from Lenny Bruce.........what can I say?

Hey...a little input on the high line guitar thread would be welcome...I truly (no BS) admire your knowledge!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Penny
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 01:49 PM

I said that it didn't appeal, not that I was offended, I am a teacher, after all. Trained to keep a straight face at all times. Thanks for the apology, though.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: j0_77
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 02:20 PM

Penny can you help me please :)

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 03:23 PM

For some reason the last line of my last post didn't post. It was:

I fried a liver for you!

Kat, I didn't know Jean did "Cry Me A River. Was that really the song? I can just see the CD title: "Jean Redpath Sings Julie London"

Art

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 04:02 PM

Opens up a whole range of possibilities doesn't it?

"Dave Van Ronk Does Perry Como's Greatest Hits"

"Grace Slick Salute to the Carter Family"

"Jean Ritchie Sings the Best of Janis Joplin"

"Dylan and Dino...Together at the hungry i"

"Pavarotti and Pete...the Elvis Tribute Album"

This could go on all night...........

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 04:21 PM

Yeah, it could get really bizarre, like "The Chieftans" with "Van Morrison". Or how about "The Chieftans" with "Sinead O'Connor". Or my personal fantasy nightmare: "Bill Monroe with Emmy Lou Harris". Boy, I'd hate for that to ever become reality!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 04:54 PM

Just take one sideways there Fielding old boy!!**grin**

I was thinking............

"George Jones Covers the Clancey Brothers, with special Back-Up from Chuck Berry and Little Richard"

"BeeGees Honor Concert for Willie, Waylon, and Hank"

"Johnny Cash and Ernest Tubb...Tribute to the Everly Bros."

GOTTA' STOP !!!!!! HELP!!!!!!

AND RICK...Any opinion on high line guitars...I know you've had a few...howzabout a post?

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Chet W.
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 12:46 PM

You jest, but I just heard a heavy metal version of Whiskey in the Jar on the radio the other day.

Chet

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 12:51 PM

And once again, Truth proves stranger than fiction.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 02:39 PM

Wait a minute, I've got the silliest one yet! How 'bout Willie Nelson and that "Julio guy"? Naw, no one would believe that.

Now if things here become a bit surreal, we could go to a kind of Spinal Tap fantasy. (Remember the part where Nigel joined an audio book club where celebrities read the works of authors with the same name..such as "The works of John Irving, read by Dr. J". Well how about a conversation between Ralph Stanley and Stanley Kowalski. Like....S.K. "STELLAAA!"....R.S. "No, actually Stanley, it's a Gibson RB 250."

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 04:24 PM

Isn't this a fun thread? It started about lightening up, but it seems to have become a refuge for some of us as the topics may change, but Lord knows they're light. Thank you Rick for another goodie!!!!!

So we combine the two perhaps and have, say,

Art Thieme Sings Art Garfunkel---and I am not demeaning either one, but somehow the material just doesn't work does it?

Simon,Alvin,and Theodore Sing Paul Simon---specifically I think "Hearts and Bones" or "African Skies" would be quite unique.

Pete Townsend/Pete Seeger---go either way with this one.

Roger McGuinn Does Roger Miller---can you see McGuinn bobbing his head around in that goofy way singing "Chug-A-Lug, Chug-A-Lug?"

Cass Elliott and "Ramblin' Jack---hmmm, could have been entertainin'!!??!!??

Michael Jackson and Jackson Browne---either way involves some serious weirdness, you pick.

How about a 3-way? Neils-Young,Sedaka,Diamond---mix and match folks and it's too strange to contemplate.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 04:58 PM

Well, Willie did sing with Ondar from Tuva, for real! Heard it on his new cd, "Deep in the Heart of Tuva"!

I love this thread! Keep it going guys! katlaughing

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 10:58 PM

How about Jesse (the body) Ventura reading Jack Kerouac and TEN DAYS THAT SHOOK THE WORLD (John Reed)---a 2 CD set.

Somehow, this seems very PC (poetically correct).

Art

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 11:11 PM

Personally, I would get a big kick out of Dan Quayle reciting "Howl".

"I saw the best minds of my generation

knocked cold by the Three Martini Lunch

Stammering, fumbling for their American Express cards

Passing their hastily written Room numbers

To sullen-eyed waitresses wearing neon haloes"

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: alison
Date: 14 Mar 99 - 11:12 PM

Hi,

with so much mentioning of liver going on I just had to send this... there's a screen saver should interest you (plus heaps of other St Patrick nonsense.)

check out

Liverdance

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 02:02 PM

That's sick there alison...What with Cletus already being committed to the Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed after the hamsterdance, well, this one may have had an even worse effect...just dunno.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 02:25 PM

Phillipa said I should come over here. I think she was suggesting I do penance for an outburst on the "Want to find a song" thread. I often wondered why Joe, who is usually quite polite, would occasionally break nasty on some poor soul.

For me, it is the feeling of wanting to control something, trying to do so nicely, and then eventually giving up, assuming stupidity or just plain onariness on the part of the hapless poster.

Well, I crossed the line, but I don't feel too guilty about it. Sometimes you work really nicely on a frustrating problem and then you just gotta take a hammer to it.

OI

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: AlistairUK
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 02:36 PM

If I could find the damned address I'd point ya to a dancing turd site

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 02:49 PM

Talking of Joe, where is he? I for one have missed lately, his polite common sense approach to things.

Come back Joe, we need you.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 04:23 PM

Roger, sometimes you crack me up!!! I loved your hammer stroke and frankly thought it was OK. Some people are easily offended and let's face it...some are given to incredible stupidity. Don't sweat it and remember...If the tool you're using doesn't work, try a BIGGER hammer.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: AlistairUK
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 04:53 PM

If the tool you're using doesn't work you may find the machine you're working on looking for another mechanic!

Subject: RE: idiots that can't read
From: Pete M
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 06:11 PM

Roger, if you are worried by the actions of morons who won't read instructions even when they are in VERY BIG EASY TO READ LETTERS, try the following mental exercise.

Take a deep breath, and close your eyes.

Picture yourself by a gently flowing stream, Birds are singing in the crisp mountain air, Nothing can bother you, The soothing sound of the gentle wind fills the air with serenity, The water is crystal clear, You can easily make out the face of the idiot whose head you are holding under the water.

And Phillipa please don't encourage them by adding to the blasted thread!

Pete M (OI)

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Ferrara
Date: 15 Mar 99 - 11:32 PM

Pete M, ROFLOL. - Rita F.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 10:17 AM

I'm sometimes a bit slow at getting to these threads, so if the Jane doe sings joe shmoe is old hat, I apologize:

Pat Boone sings Marilyn Manson

k.d.lang sings Kenny Rogers

Charlton Heston sings Woodie Guthrie

--seed

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: AlistairUK
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 10:23 AM

I think it would be more interesting if it were

Marilyn Manson sings Burl Ives

K.C. and the Sunshine Band sing Leonard Cohen

Richard Clayderman plays Jelly Roll Morton

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bert
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 10:30 AM

Madonna sings Harry Lauder

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 10:38 AM

Actually guys we've refined this just a bit to people of the same name:

Leonard Cohen Sings George M. Cohen

or

Richard Clayderman Plays Little Richard

Do anything you want though 'cause the concept just cracks me up!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bert
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 11:17 AM

Yes, I tried, but that's kind of difficult with Madonna....

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 11:33 AM

Joe Who? Sorry I was on vacation for a few weeks shoveling snow at my mother's. I must have missed something.

Seriously, this thread is becoming far too long, becoming a threat to eclipsing the truly World Famous "Condom" thieme, er, thread. I think this has gone on far too long and, in case you need an incentive to cease, let me tell you that I have recently heard that Mr. Offer, rather than being an "investigator" is actually a contract hitman, thereby explainly those absences from home and frequent business trips to Chicago, Las Vegas, Providence and Palermo!

All the best,
Unsigned

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 11:49 AM

But Dan, though this may not be Thieme, it is thematic, if not consistent. And Joe should be honored by this thread. After all, he's had a condom named after him right here. Lots of people still to go though...How about the:"Liam's Brother Special" has an extra thick skin so as to be used by multiple family members.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 11:58 AM

I for got to add this note to my earlier post: Rick Fielding, Bill Monroe put out an album "Bill Monroe and Friends" on which he did duets with a variety of country artists, one of whom was Emmy Lou Harris. --seed

And Catspaw, I guess I'm just not very refined. --seed

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 12:48 PM

Hey there seed...do I somehow strike you as refined??? I have been to several refineries but was told there is a limit as to the "crude" they'll take. Some you just can't do anything with...suitable only for shoreline spillage I guess.

And by the way, Rick was taking a shot at me as he knows I've got a soft spot (perhaps also a har.......no,let that go, too crude) for Emmylou. Notice on the next post that I took a crude shot back. Rick's so refined...smooth as 10W40.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 05:50 PM

Actually seed, all the couplings in my post HAVE actually happened. That WAS the joke! (guess I'd better not quit my day job). BUT..imagine my surprise to find out that Catspaw is an Emmy Lou fan, and that I was taking a cheap shot at both of them! Nooo Nooo Nooo! Didn't know the first...and wasn't doing the second! I actually am a big fan of Ms. Harris, and even more so now that she's playing a guitar built by my friend Glen Reid. The humour (for those who are into it) comes from the incongruity of the parings, and the downside result is that often the music made is much less than either artist would do on their own.

On the other hand, now I understand your "take one sideways" line "Paw". I assume it's the celtic translation of "Goin' upside your head!" If you want to mess with a Canadian, tell them "On Your Back,Bacon!" Gonna miss you while I'm on tour, Cletus.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 06:38 PM

I enjoyed all of your pairings Rick and I did know they were real...I just thought you threw that last one in with a little extra fanfare making me assume it was a shot...but that DID make the sideways line a little nutso didn't it? Emmylou takes a lot of flak sometimes 'cause she doesn't fit the right slots all the time and often moves forward or backward in a kind of exploration process. Lately I've been pushing "Prayer in Open D" every chance I get to the point of nausea. Not many songs speak to taking personal responsibility for what we do in this age. So I kinda' thought you were zapping me about "my Girl." Didn't know about the guitar, thought she was still on the Gibson thing.

Best of luck...I'm sure you won't need it...on tour. Taking a "stabilizing influence" along ought to make it fun without being,uh...costly? Hope you both have a good time. Karen and I are dying for a few days alone together, so I'm envious too!!!I'll miss you while you're gone too there...Reg!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 02:49 PM

somewhere...in a time long since passed, I actually acquired an album of 'Leonard Nimoy sings'...I cannot remember to this day WHAT he sang...perhaps it was "Leonard Nimoy sings Ewan MacColl"!!...there's one to shiver your timbers!!

no, I did NOT pay full price...it was a yard sale item..

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 03:28 PM

Bill I saw that album somewhere years ago. My curosity is getting the better of me and I think I'll do a bit of web searching.

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 05:57 PM

Check out his version of "Proud Mary"! And I ain't kiddin'

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 18 Mar 99 - 02:25 PM

I've been ignoring this thread, but seeing how as it just wasn't going away I thought I'd check it out. It adds a whole new meaning to "But I digress"

How about covers by like names?

Frank Zappa sings Frank Sinatra, I mean who is better qualified to sing "I Did It My Way"?

From the truth is stranger than fiction category, who else has heard the Pat Boone CD where he covers Heavy Metal bands like Led Zeppelin (wasn't there a thread about them a while back?), Metallica, Deep Purple etc? It is a hoot, especially Pat's version of Ozzy Osbourne's "Crazy Train"

I'm not sure if Ozzy was originally an Osbourne Brother of Bluegrass fame. What about Homer and Jetro Tull?

Subject: Rick Fielding: it's come true!
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Mar 99 - 07:31 PM

Hey, there! Rick, just wanted to let you know, you're psychic or something. Right after the great Irish music show on BBC America, last night, they showed a whole hour on Vna Morrison. I didn't/couldn't watch it, but they did promo the Chieftains as appearing with him, as well as John Lee Hooker and Bob Dylan. I saw the Hooker portiona nd had to leave the room because I wanted Van to shut up and let the "MAN" sing! kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Mar 99 - 08:17 PM

Hey kat....ALL THOSE THAT RICK LISTED ARE TRUE!!!!!!

See, I thought he was taking a shot at my girl Emmylou with the little extra zinger he added. As a matter of fact I think you'll find some of those people together on stage more than once......the nightmares never cease!!!

catspaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Mar 99 - 10:02 AM

Okay, a lot of you won't understand how bizarre this bill was. In my teenage years I saw a show at Toronto's Exhibition Stadium that opened with Blues/Rocker Rick Derringer, was followed by Blues/Rocker Rory Gallagher and closed with Aerosmith. In between Gallagher and Aerosmith was Henry Gross who was enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame with "Shannon" the syrupy, schlocky dog lost at sea song. It actually happened, I was there.

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: anna
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 04:08 PM

What have I gotten into!! NOI

BTW, I happen to have that Chieftains CD With Van Morrison, Sinaid O'Conner(?), Mick Jagger, and a few others. It's called The Long Black Veil, with the title song being sung by Mick himself.

I loved Vans rendition of "Have I told you lately that I love you".

Now, remember. You promised to lighten up.

Anna

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: McMusic
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 11:28 PM

For Steve Latimer-- Kind of like something I read about once. Back in '66 or so, Jimi Hendrix opened for the Monkees? What were THOSE promoters taking?

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 01 May 99 - 01:26 AM

I really needed a dose of Catspaw, and since Mr. Over-the -Top is convalescing, I checked out this thread from some weeks back. It got me laughing with my buddy instead of worrying about him, and I think he'd like that better. Anyway, I thought I'd refresh this classic example of Thread Creep, featuring Cats at his best (and worst).

LEJ

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Banjer
Date: 01 May 99 - 04:39 AM

Right on LEJ!!! I think if the 'Spaw could communicate with us right now he would probably tell us to quit all this damn "CATerwalling" and lighten up! While we are all obviously very concerned about him and wish him all the best, I believe in his absence, until he can once again take the helm, he would want us to continue the fine examples of insanity he has set for us...I for one intend to do my part to carry on the tradition....On second thought, to HELL with tradition...let's do it the way we always have!!!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 99 - 08:18 AM

Yeah, but I still wanna know who's gonna clean up that litter box!?

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: Banjer
Date: 01 May 99 - 09:08 AM

I think it's high time we get one of those self cleaning litter boxes I've seen advertised. That way no one person would haver to be resposible for it and we could all deposit anything we wanted to!

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 May 99 - 12:23 PM

This one was getting a bit long but the cut and thrust continues here THE RETURN OF THE BLUE CLICKY THING

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bbelle
Date: 08 Jul 00 - 12:40 AM

This is an old thread, but take the time to read through it. I'll be curious to read what stands out to "you."

best ... moonchild

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bbelle
Date: 08 Jul 00 - 03:40 AM

REFRESH

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Jul 00 - 01:57 PM

Some good stuff to remember, Jenny, thanks...kat

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bbelle
Date: 08 Jul 00 - 02:13 PM

Wouldn't you like to know where some of the people have gone? And, while I've had my trial by fire with the real gargoyle, he was actually pretty benign on the threads, wasn't he? I know it's a long thread to go through, but I reread every one and it made me kind of sit up straight.

moonchild

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 00 - 03:30 PM

I just finished it and it was fun reading. A few of them have gone and a few are less active, but garg was of course rather benign as he often could be. Along with the times he was amazingly intelligent and well versed, he could also get far meaner and more spiteful. Where I do see a difference is in the overall tone of some of the moderate flamers we pick up now and again is, on the whole, a lot worse and a lot less knowledgable than garg.

We had just emerged into a light bantering period and the atmosphere was relaxed although we were still feeling our way into a different kind of cyber community than had been before and indeed one that differs greatly from other places on the net. We lost lots of good people during the next 6 months or so, but we acquired others, many of them now being part of the core group of 'Catters.

I think the evolution is interesting and it of course still goes on. The last part we have seen is the "Great Mudcat Adventure" of Bill and Allan and the way in which it brought us to a new level again. There are several significant moments in the history of this joint that have created the overall sense of family and community. Annaps first gathering for instance; there was initially great concern over her addy being given out and all that.....privacy issues and such. Now take a look....simply amazing.

I think that last year's FSGW was quite significant in the number of 'Catters in attendance and the great reports back to those who were only there in spirit. I don't recall any event before that time that was so well reported and with such exuberance, not to mention the sheer number of people who were there. Combined with annap's, the intermingling of 'Catters became more frequent with the best of it all coming lately from Allan and Bill.

We've gone through several extremely nasty periods too, but each has taught us better how to get along and how to handle the situations. Many times, one member has come to the front and shown us a way to cope, as Leej did with the first "Tavern" thread, and we have I think grown through those too. HearMe has brought another tool that has been a big part of the recent growth.

Thinking back more brings to mind other events that created large changes to the Village of Mudcat that make it so different from other places. Our new members often are amazed at the openess of the place and while at first they are reticent, most fall into the open atmosphere almost before they know it and can't believe they are doing it. If I had to pick an event that bonded the spirits of the people here and changed the tenor of the place in general, I would say it was my hospitalization. Most found things in themselves and others then that they certainly didn't expect......like the idea of dropping what they were doing and driving hundreds of miles for someone who was in essence a total stranger. But the unique thing was and is, that we are not strangers when we meet, but rather old friends....who've never met.

Some threads helped to create these feelings and sometimes they were threads not necessarily harmonius, but certainly we learned much of each other from them. Overall, we have learned a way to judge one another through our words and we are finding that our judgements are sound. I am still struck by a feeling from the Radio Show following Bill and Allan's trip. I think that then, for the very first time, Max felt the true enormity of his creation and the union of souls his work had inspired. He may have enjoyed it before, but what Mudcat was, in my opinion, came home to him that night. Maybe it came home to all of us even more.

What's next? We are a different place than we were then and we'll be a different place tomorrow. But I still relate back to something Sandy Paton once said. "I always wanted to live somewhere like this." As always, Sandy was, and is, right. I still like living here. In some ways we've gotten better and better and in a few ways, things are worse....but its still one helluva' fine place to come home.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: bbelle
Date: 08 Jul 00 - 05:13 PM

catspaw ... this wasn't an effort to "go back" or to point out the "oldtimers" ... it was an effort to, hopefully, bring us back to reality and what the mudcat is to many people. To, perhaps, repair some used-to-be friendships. Don't know ... maybe I'm just spittin' in the wind ...

moonchild

Subject: RE: Can we lighten up a little?
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Jul 00 - 05:24 PM

I agree Moon.....and I wasn't trying to bring anything back, just looking at "evolution" and in the process saying exactly what the 'Cat does mean to a lot of us....well, me in any case. If I didn't get that across, I didn't do a good job and I'm sorry I wasn't better.

Sorry I can't help on "used to be" friendships though. What am I missing here?

Spaw