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Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps

GUEST,nickr90 09 Nov 06 - 06:15 AM
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Subject: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: GUEST,nickr90
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:15 AM

The Irish Post Office has issued a set of stamps celebrating our great folk groups who contributed to the spread of Irish culture.
Check them out here
Irish Folk Artists Stamps


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:18 AM

They are sticky on both sides!!


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 07:34 AM

You'd never get the English postal service to recognise our folkies.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: GUEST,Flatley
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:41 AM

Assuming you're wrong, Geoff, which four bands should grace such a set of English stamps?
I'd suggest Waterson/Carthy, Flowers & Frolics, Muckram Wakes and Brass Monkeys. But I'm sure we'd more likely end up with Steeleye, Fairport, Albion and the Wurzels.
OK, perhaps not the Wurzels. Oysters maybe....
Any thoughts, fellow flatlists?


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: GUEST,Flatley
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:42 AM

And lady flatlists too...


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:51 AM

I wonder if you could do that in an English thread and not hijack the Irish thread? Will they never learn?


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: GUEST,Flatley
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:54 AM

Sorry, BM, didn't notice the sign that said "English need not reply".


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:29 AM

But I'm sure we'd more likely end up with Steeleye, Fairport, Albion and the Wurzels.

Which lineup of these bands do you think should be shown? The Irish one shows the 'classic' 1960s Dubliners lineup, so I would suggest it should be:

Steeleye: original lineup with Gay & Terry Woods, Tim Hart & Maddy Prior and Ashley Hutchings

Fairport: the Liege & Lief lineup would be good, but it would be nice to include some of the later ones... hmmm, not sure about this?

Albion: a nightmare decision!

Wurzels: I suggest it should be Adge Cutler and the Wurzels, not the later incarnation of the group (even though they were more successful commercially). Maybe they could use the later lineup of Adge's group from just before his death, which includes Pete Budd, Tommny Banner and Tony Baylis.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:31 AM

I didn't say that, and you know it. I would be more than happy to have the English, Irish, Americans, Canadians, and anyone else, reply with regard to the subject. If you want to start a new thread on the topic of English groups that should be honored, I would be happy to participate in that. And by the way, aren't you chaps the ones that always accuse us Yanks of not understanding ironic humor??

Mick


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: mack/misophist
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:43 AM

As an ex-stamp collector, I find them unimpressive. Too bland.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:45 AM

Philately will get you nowhere.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Shaneo
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:46 AM

I heard a while ago that Ronnie Drew from The Dubliners who were honoured with a stamp for their contribution to Irish folk music has not sang a rebel song for years , but I wonder does Ronnie still take money for the record sales that have rebel songs on the C.Ds
A crisis of the conscience for Ronnie ?,,,I think not.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:47 AM

I wonder at the selection of artists. One surely understands the populist appeal motive, but I would have thought Seamus Egan or Leo Rowsomme would have been on them. Planxty would have been another I thought should be there.

And I agree with mack, they are bland. But I am glad they chose to do it, now they need to "tune 'em up".

Mick


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:58 AM

The stamps are far from being bland, compare them with Lizzy`s gub on the face of the Brit stamp and you are really talking bland, I agree, Planxty should have been part of this collection.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:00 AM

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! You owe me a keyboard........hahahahahhaha. I stand corrected. LOL.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:15 PM

Maybe the choice of artists is not the best that everyone here could wish for, but the Irish Post Office are probably looking at the commercial market for the stamps, to collectors in the USA as well as Europe. So the Clancys and Tommy Makem, the Dubliners and Chieftains in particular would be well known to US collectors (not so sure about Altan though - are they big there? Forgive my ignorance).


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:21 PM

It's rare that any country comes up with appropriate things to go on these commemorative stamps. In the long run, nobody is happy.

I think the only time they got it right in the United States was when they put Timothy Leary's image on an airmail stamp. You stuck it on the envelope and the letter flew there by itself.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:22 PM

Regarding being well known, Altan would not be in the big league, they are a good group but I am sure Planxty would have a greater following.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Den
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 12:25 PM

I would have had Planxty or even the Bothy's before Altan.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:06 PM

Couldn`t agree more Den.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM

That link doesn't seem to work for me - nor does http://www.irishstamps.ie/ for that matter.

If I was picking the people to put on them I'd have Seamus Ennis, Sean O Riada, Carolan and Frank Harte for a start.

I took it this thread was really about national stamps featuring folk musicians generally, with the Irish ones as a starting point and maybe a model for how it should be done (or not - as I said I haven't been able to see the stamps yet). So suggestions for how it should be done for English stamps is relevant enough, as it would be for other countries.

I know the USA have had a few, including Leadbelly, Josh White and Robert Johnson. No Pete Seeger though.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Shaneo
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 01:50 PM

The Wolfe Tones have been left out again , Brian Warfield has written more folk songs than the whole lot put together.
And where is Shane McGowan ,Shane has been regarded as one of the finest song writers of our time.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Shiamsa
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:10 PM

There were similar complaints on radio discussion shows here (Dublin) that other groups should have taken precedence over Altan, eg, Planxty, Phil Linnot, Van Morrison, etc--someone did a quick survey and found that a majority had never heard of Altan.

An Post might issue another set.

I don't know whether this has already been mentioned on Mudcat, but Ronnie Drew has been diagnosed with throat cancer.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:22 PM

The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, The Dubliners, The Chieftains and Altan.

Fair enough - but I think my four would have been better. Though in fact they already had O'Carolan on a stamp back in the 1980s.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM

Shaneo wrote 'The Wolfe Tones have been left out again , Brian Warfield has written more folk songs than the whole lot put together. And where is Shane McGowan ,Shane has been regarded as one of the finest song writers of our time.'

No, Brian Warfield hasn't written any folk songs, but just contemporary songs describing events in the past. Check the definition in any decent dictionary.

Where indeed is Shane McGowan or do you mean Shane MacGowan? If you value his work so much (and I do too), you could at least spell his name correctly.

I really don't know why listers are getting in a tiz about this. After all, they're only stamps.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:07 PM

IMO you are wrong, Kevin. The title is clear enough. But enough on that.

Altan is well known in the States, and draws very well in the concert venues. As I said above, I think Planxty would be a given, as would Bothy. In addition to Ennis, I would have included Willie Clancy, and probably Johnny Doran.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:08 PM

For those of you who haven`t heard Altan go to Youtube and in search type Benandonner, you will see a Programme from the Irish TV Station TG4, it features the life of Francie Mooney a great Irish songwriter.
Francie who died this year is the father of two of the Altan group who perform on the show.

Look out for Paul Brady singing The Lake of Ponchetrain in Gaelic, translated by Francie.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:11 PM

Prefix Benandonner-Francie Mooney,


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Shaneo
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:16 PM

I do not want to get into a debate about what is or is not folk/contemporary , that has been well covered in other threads.
As for spelling names correctly , there is no big deal where I come from about Mc or Mac ,
As for the value of his work , well I valued it so much that I gave him a dig out at a session when he had no guitar player with him and I done the guitar work for him.
Again Shane should have been honoured alone with the 'Tones.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:29 PM

A wee Thread drift also in youtube Search Margaret Barry is worth a look.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:36 PM

Ard, if you go to the Mudcat Youtube Permathread, you will see that I put the tribute to Francie (Proinsias O Maonaigh) in those links. There are a number of them. It is a brilliant tribute with Francie playing with Mairid and Gearoid, as well as others, at one point. Francie would be another of those who would be a great candidate to honor. In him, one knows Donegal fiddling at its best. God be good to him.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 03:55 PM

Well done Mick, another youtube search worth a look Coguish.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stomps
From: Severn
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:22 PM

As for the complaint about Pete Seeger waiting for his US stamp, I hope it takes a long while yet. In the USA, you have to be DEAD to be honored on a stamp that is commemmorating an individual person rather than an event. So bear this in mind in the selection on any of the previous stamps honoring Folk Gospel, Rock or Pop performers.
There'll still be plenty of room left for debate, mind you.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:20 PM

Mc and Mac are the same thing. Except, for Irish names, in Irish it's more common to have it as Mac, and in English as Mc.
........................................

Here's a list of people who've been on Irish postage stamps - including a few saints.

And here's' a list of people who've been on US postage stamps. No saints that I could see, at least not official ones. Quite a few musicians, including some folk people.

And here's the list for the UK No folkies, unless Robert Burns is counted. And Ralph Vaughan-Williams is in there.

And I quite agree, I hope it's a long time before Pete Seeger qualifies for a stamp. But Woody Guthrie ought to be in there for sure.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Beer
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:58 PM

What a great tribute. There are so many great Irish folk singers. God Bless You All.
Cheers,
Beer


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Joe Richman
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 10:32 PM

As I recall, there was a sheet of folksinger stamps issued a few years ago here in the US. Josh White, Sonny Terry, Leadbelly and Woody Guthrie. All were deceased when the stamp was issued. For n=4, that's not a bad list.

I bought a ton of Roy Acuff stamps when they came out. The picture of Roy and his fiddle was a great one.

Joe


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 12:17 PM

A good choice of groups already, with Planxty replacing Altan it would have been perfect for me.

(Just BTW, the concept of English stamps is completly unknown to me. I always could use the stamps I bought in Scotland or Wales as well as in England. What some have posted was suggestions from an English POV for British stamps showing folk groups. May I add Battlefield Band, Corries, Tannahill Weavers and a Welsh choir to the suggestions?)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 01:24 PM

They do in fact make different versions of some common UK stamps for the various nations, though they are always valid in the others. The same is thecase with some coins. And Bank of Engkland notes are legal tender in Scotland.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: greg stephens
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:01 PM

If there had to be influential groups, and only four, I would have thought Chieftains Clancy Bros Dubliners and Planxty would choose themselves. like other contributors, I find the Altan inclusion a bit odd.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 01:54 PM

Shaneo wrote 'As for spelling names correctly , there is no big deal where I come from about Mc or Mac'.

Then McGrath of Harlow chipped in with 'Mc and Mac are the same thing. Except, for Irish names, in Irish it's more common to have it as Mac, and in English as Mc.'

I suggest both of you contact the Sligo musician Shane McGowan to inform him that he's really a singer from Tunbridge Wells!

Seriously, there is a huge linguistic difference between 'Mc' and 'Mac' and one generally reflective of Ireland's convoluted history.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: Shaneo
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 02:10 PM

I just gave that fellow Shane in Sligo a call and he said he does not care a damm what you call him once you dont call him early in the morning.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 03:27 PM

I'm sure its a dumb question, but why not Christy Moore?

Of course he would be in a version of Planxty and Moving Hearts.

Or did I miss him and he was there all the time?


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:23 AM

http://www.b2g3.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1163285101&user=wolfetone

I see that The Wolfe Tones had a stamp after all


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: Shaneo
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:26 AM

The above post and link was by myself , I forgot to log-in

Shaneo


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: GUEST,nickr90
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:38 AM

Maybe Altan are there to give a very slight gender balance.
The choice was always going to be controversial just look at any mudcat discussion.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:45 AM

Geoff Wallis says there is a huge linguistic difference between Mac and Mc. It is difficult to imagine what the linguistic implication could be, of what seems to be a slight variation in the spelling of the same thing. Can you enlighten us as to what the significance might be?


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:44 AM

Mc, Mac, Paddywhack, leave poor Geoff alone.


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 04:27 AM

Why would they have Shane MacGowan ? he's not Irish, good a songwriter as he was, he was born in London.

And Shaneo, I notice that the picture of the Dubliners includes the late Luke Kelly and Ciaran Burke, why don't you insult them as well, they can't answer you back now.

Wolfe Tones, a bloody showband thats all.

eric


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: Shaneo
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:40 AM

I have never insulted anybody here. as for ''The Wolfe Tones'' they are one of the best bands in the world


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Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 07:18 AM

Ronnie Drew ?

eric


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