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Subject: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST,mg Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:31 PM Best wishes to all. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:47 PM Tomorrow? Remembrance Day (Armistice Day) is on the 11th.... Today is only the 9th. So perhaps we want to edit the original post? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:49 PM And just to continue being pedantic, it hasn't been called "Armistice Day" since the end of WW2.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day USA - monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:49 PM Good 'monitoring'... no really.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - monitored From: Herga Kitty Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:49 PM Armistice Day is 11/11 - the day after tomorrow? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day USA - monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:51 PM My point exactly HK.... only it hasn't been called that for decades |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:52 PM Seeing as they don't wish to be accurate in the other 'monitored' thread 11/11 is the day in question... tomorrow is only the 10th... And it hasn't been called Armistice Day since the end of W2... Sure, remember.... but also get with the program feel free to post what you will here, CH. The title of the other thread has been amended. Mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day USA - monitored From: Herga Kitty Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:53 PM Clinton - what is it (11/11)called, then, as opposed to Remembrance Sunday, which is just the nearest Sunday when various commemorative ceremonies and services are held? As far as I know, Armistice Day was 11 November 1918, and 11 November is still remembered as Armistice Day. Here in UK, there have been 2 minute silences at 11am on 11 November as well as on Remembrance Sunday in recent years. Kitty |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Herga Kitty Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:56 PM OK, I commented on a message from Clinton in the other thread that had been deleted by the monitor by the time I checked my post, so now what? Is the monitor going to transfer the not sufficiently respectful posts from the monitored thread to the unmonitored thread? Kitty |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice/Veterans Day USA - monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:57 PM I've never heard of Remembrance Sunday 11/11 has always been Remembrance Day... when 2 minutes of silence is observed by anyone thankful for blood that was spilled so that they might be free. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:58 PM Of course not... that would take effort
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Herga Kitty Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:14 PM Gosh, it's not like we're arguing over suitable poppy colours or anything like that...... There will be Remembrance services in Britain at war memorials in towns and villages all over the country on Sunday. I spent last weekend in Flanders, where there are war cemeteries in all the towns and villages, not just memorials. Kity |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:50 PM I'm not arguing at all.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST,art brooks elsewhere Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:56 PM In the US, it is generally referred to as Veterans Day, to honor those who served in all wars, not just WW1. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST,mg Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:28 PM It is just monitored to prevent strong feelings being directed to veterans and their families on this most intimate of threads. People who need to express these feelings will have a perfectly fine place to do so right in this one. It sounds like we all call it different names..I personally like Armistice day...it is too important to forget...I do not like using other days for it..should be Nov. 11 in my book. November 10 means nothing to me, November 12 means nothing to me. November 11 means a lot. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST,lox Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:48 PM I've thought long and hard about why this day is important to me and I don't agree that it is about being thankful as such. Don't misunderstand me, I fully accept that what you are saying is that many young men made the ultimate sacrifice and that we should be grateful to them for it. I would like to be absolutely clear that I respect that view and feel the sincerity and honesty of the heart that utters it. I just find it hard to feel "thankful". Instead I wear a poppy as a symbol of the great tragedy of the painful terrified deaths that so many men suffered, and indeed of the great sorrow felt by those who survived, in one piece or not as the case may be. I think about their youth, their innocence and who they might have been as individuals. I try to place myself in their boots and find them filled with my own shit. Young men, convulsing in the cold with fear, gulping down the anticipation, vomiting it out only to open their eyes and find that nothing was changing about their reality except that the man standing next to them. Young men who had families and homes, mothers, brothers, sisters, children all hoping and praying for them. Knowing that they might not die safe in their beds surrounded by love, but could breathe their last in some grotty ditch coughing up blood in a wasteland where love was little more than a distant memory. I find my thankfulness taken over by simple plain grief. Grief not just for the ones on "our side", but the ones forced into action by their nations merciless uncompromising hysterical culture. Other young men, swept up by a fever, who should also have lived beautiful creative lives but were compelled by forces stronger than they were able to overcome to go and die alone in pain in some field. The thought of Jesus on the cross springs to mind -"mein fuhrer mein fuhrer why hast thou forsaken me" May they all find salvation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Big Mick Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:56 PM lox, you may have captured one of the most important thoughts to have on this day. War represents the ultimate failure. It might be for noble causes, usually that is not the case. Warriors might be brave, but it is usually in spite of themselves. Medals might make for a nice show, but they are always won at a price too great to pay. In the States, we now call this day Veteran's Day. I always make that distinction. It is Memorial Day that we honor our dead, but on this day I think that your thought is the better one. It is recognizing that young men and women, in spite of themselves, are in harm's way. We can argue over the powers that wage war, or over the reason for going. But if we would all just put ourselves in their place for one day, perhaps we would hold these leaders much more accountable. Great post, sir. Mick 1969-1975 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:53 PM "Armistice Day" literally means "the day the fighting stopped". A good name for it - sadly one that turned out over-optimistic. Using it should be a reaffirmatiion of a hope that someday it will be reality. And we should be remembering all those who died, who increasingly, in the wars we have continued have been ever more proportionately civilians. And still are today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Wolfgang Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:21 AM In Germany, shortly after WW1 (first idea 1919, first held 1922) the Volkstrauertag (people's mourning day) was introduced to remember the military dead and was held at the sunday Reminiscere (remember) of the Church year (5 weeks before Easter sunday). The Nazis renamed it Heldengedenktag (remembrance of heroes day) and ordered that the flags on this day had to fly high instead of half mast. The day was of course renamed Volkstrauertag immediately after WWII and relocated to the 33rd Sunday of the church year (Catholic counting) or the second before last Sunday of the Church year (Protestant counting). Both countings of course point to the same Sunday in November, namely two weeks before the first Advent. It may coincide with 11/11, but usually is held on the Sunday following armistice. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:46 AM "And we should be remembering all those who died, who increasingly, in the wars we have continued have been ever more proportionately civilians. And still are today." Yes. Discriminating about whose horrible death during a war we should remember does seem somewhat shallow. Every one of them mattered. Though I can also see the value of drawing attention to particular aspects of it so that we can comprehend the scale of it and also bear in mind that while war is a crime against humanity, it is comprised of many different types of crime against humanity. It is therefore as important to focus on the human waste that the fighting embodied as it is, for example, to remember the barbarity of the massacre of the jews. If we get too general we run the risk of losing the meaning. Tryng to include all these things in one day makes them very difficult to take in. This makes me think of the best reason for having these events, which in my opinion is to educate our children so that they might by some fluke be spared such horrors. These events should be mirrored by school projects and awareness weeks etc. In that regard, isolating specific aspects of the many wars of the 20th and 21st centuries would allow for a more focused understanding. Sorry if this is a bit garbled, they're just ideas off the top of my head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: 3refs Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:50 AM IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow Between the crosses row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918) Canadian Army |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:03 AM 11:11 Ah the glorious few are all the few here in the cold November air the crowd draws silent their collars raised to the edges of the square The children's choir sings "In Flander's Fields" the band plays "Over There" the old heroes still try to dress the line As the chaplain leads the prayer For the glorious few no longer stand so straight As they did long years before when they faced a hard and cruel fate on a far and distant shore their tunics faded green and blue poor shelter from this cold the memories made yet raw and new at the calling of the roll The heads are bowed in silence now at the tolling of the hour The first few falling flakes of snow drift gently on the flowers all piled and stacked against the stones petals fluttering in the air The eyes that stare down through the years at the one no longer there The taste of lost and wasted years so bitter on the tongue white breath in clouds in the autumn cold Fail chest with medals hung in battle ribbons red and gold in the pale November sun the hands and faces grown so old while the heart stays ever young For the glorious few are the fewer here the old soldiers form the square the wind blows hard and shakes the leaves and stirs the white thin hair of these fading brave and fragile souls as the bugler plays "Last Post" the snow falls thick and faster still and turns them white as ghosts |
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Subject: Lyr Add: AND THE BAND PLAYED WALTZING MATILDA From: lady penelope Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:47 PM THE BAND PLAYED WALTZING MATILDA (Eric Bogle) Now when I was a young man I carried me pack And I lived the free life of the rover. From the Murry's green basin to the dusty outback, Well, I waltzed my Matilda all over. Then in 1915 my country said, "Son, It's time you stop rambling, there's work to be done." So they gave me a tin hat and they gave me a gun And they marched me away to the war. And the band played Waltzing Matilda, As the ship pulled away from the quay And midst all the cheers, flag waving and tears, We sailed off for Gallipoli And how well I remember that terrible day, How our blood stained the sand and the water And of how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter. Johnny Turk, he was ready, he primed himself well. He showered us with bullets, and he rained us with shells, And in five minutes flat, he'd blown us all to hell, Nearly blew us back home to Australia. (But) And the band played Waltzing Matilda, As we stopped to bury our slain, We buried ours, the Turks buried theirs, Then we started all over again. And those that were left, well we tried to survive In that mad world of blood, death and fire. And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive Though around me the corpses piled higher. Then a big Turkish shell knocked me ass over head And when I awoke in me hospital bed And saw what it had done, well I wished I was dead. Never knew there were worse things than dying. For I'll go no more Waltzing Matilda, All around the green bush far and free To hump tent and pegs, a man needs both legs, No more waltzing Matilda for me. So they gathered the crippled, the wounded, and maimed, And they shipped us back home to Australia. The legless, the armless, the blind and insane, Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla. And when our ship pulled into Circular Quay I looked at the place where me legs used to be And I thank Christ there was no body waiting for me To grieve, to mourn and to pity. But the Band played Waltzing Matilda As they carried us down the gangway, But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared, Then they turned all their faces away. So now every April I sit on me porch And I watch the parade pass before me. And I see my old comrades, how proudly they march Reviving old dreams and past glory, And the old men march slowly, all bone stiff and sore They're tired old heroes from a forgotten war And the young people ask "What are they marching for?" And I ask myself the same question. But the band plays Waltzing Matilda, And the old men still answer the call, But as year follows year, more old men disappear Someday, no one will march there at all. Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda. Who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda with me? And their ghosts may be heard as they march by the billibong Who'll come a-Waltzing Matilda with me? Armistice day. The treaty was signed at the eleventh hour on the eleventh day of the eleventh month. It was the first step in ending the bloodiest war europe had ever seen. For this reason we stand quiet for two minutes and remember. Rememberance Sunday. This is the offical day for remembering not only those who fell in battle, but also those who fell carrying stretchers, rescuing people from fires caused by bombing raids, nursing the wounded....in short all the casualties of war. The poppy was chosen as the symbol for this day because it is a flower that only grows where the ground has been disturbed. After the battles in France, acre upon acre was covered in these small delicate flowers, covering up the places where the dead and dying had been, or ideed, still lay. We wear the poppy "Lest We Forget". Forget that this is what war leads to. So we should do our utmost not to come to this point again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: frogprince Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:02 PM Touch A Name On The Wall by Joel Mabus Well, I guess you could call it our summer of freedom, the year that we both turned eighteen - We hitch-hiked to Denver, straight out of high school man, we were sights to be seen. And that was the year that you dated my cousin, 'til they took us away in the fall. Now I dearly wish you were standing here with me as I touch your name on the wall. [chorus:] Touch a name on the wall, Touch a name on the wall. God help us all Touch a name on the wall. Every time I come here I wear my fatigues, to honor the men that I knew. I touch every name that came from my outfit, and I read them out loud when I do. Now some people say that they all died for nothing, but I don't completely agree - 'Cause this brother here didn't die for no country - He died for me. [chorus] Now, usually walls are made for division - to separate me from you. But God bless the wall that brings us together, and reminds us of what we've been through. And God damn the liars and the tin-plated heroes who trade on the blood of such men. God give us the strength to stand up and tell them - Never again! [chorus] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:54 PM My father died on November 11, back in 1997. MG knew him. He was an Army vet (medical corps), though he rarely spoke of it. Ironically, my mother, who was also a vet (a WAC in WWII) died six months later on Memorial Day. I still miss them both very much. Stilly River Sage |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Gurney Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:30 PM Sage, a good many ex-servicemen never spoke of their experiences. The only one who did in my family only spoke of the funny bits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Micca Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:47 PM "And now here on the West Front again its all so quiet the dead and missing do not make a sound and faintly from the German Trench ghostly "Silent Night" but the trenches have returned into the ground" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: ragdall Date: 11 Nov 06 - 02:19 AM Laurence Bunyon, For The Fallen With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children, England mourns for her dead across the sea. Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit, Fallen in the cause of the free. Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres, There is music in the midst of desolation And a glory that shines upon our tears. They went with songs to the battle, they were young, Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow. They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted; They fell with their faces to the foe. They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. They mingle not with their laughing comrades again; They sit no more at familiar tables of home; They have no lot in our labour of the day-time; They sleep beyond England’s foam. But where our desires are and our hopes profound, Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight, To the innermost heart of their own land they are known As the stars are known to the Night; As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust, Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain; As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness, To the end, to the end, they remain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Nov 06 - 07:13 AM Something I only learned today was that Laurence Binyon wrote that poem right at the beguinning of the war, in September 1914. That sent a shiver up my spine. He wasn't writing to remember the dead, he was writing in anticipation of their deaths. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Greg F. Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:08 AM Don't have to be particularly prescient to anticipate deaths in war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Nov 06 - 02:18 PM You'd think, wouldn't you? Bush didn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Ebbie Date: 11 Nov 06 - 05:59 PM I remember the old novels and the war-mongering speeches of old lauding the 'glory' of war heralded by flagwaving, the marching cadence of drums, the tearstained but proud faces of those waving them off... I guess their imagination didn't encompass blood and guts and fear and loss, the spirit-brutalizing panic, the empty seat at the table, the generation gone forever... May the day soon arrive when war is seen clearly as the most archaic of methods in achieving peace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Nov 06 - 06:25 PM "the 'glory' of war heralded by flag-waving, the marching cadence of drums, the tear-stained but proud faces of those waving them off..." and "blood and guts and fear and loss, the spirit-brutalizing panic, the empty seat at the table, the generation gone forever..." They're both true. Without the one you wouldn't have the other. And Remembrance Day is the third part of the triptych. Here's a song I wrote about it once, all the three parts. Remembrance Day I remember the day when first we marched away, And so gaily they cheered us in the crowd, And it all seemed so clear, we were here and they were there, "Do and Dare, go on out and make us proud" But it wasn't quite the same When we came to where we came. It was plain there was nothing we could do, But we're here for the show, We'll be here until we go, Don't we know it won't be long before we're through. And we're down in the dark as our world is blown apart, With our hearts in the bottom of our boots. And we're tired and we're sore, And we just can't take much more, And at times it seems we're treated worse than brutes. But hear us joke, hear us sing, Hear us say "God Save the King", Why you'd think we were happy here in hell, And we'll stand side by side, And we'll never say goodbye, And we'll die, and they'll say that we done well. Well it's past and it's gone, And it's over, right or wrong. We were young and we answered to the call. And it's all far away, but it seems like yesterday, Though they say it all meant nothing after all. And each November once again we will gather in the rain, We still remain, though we're fading fast away, And God knows it's getting late, As we drink to long lost mates, And to the day we'll be together once again. So hear us joke, hear us sing, Hear us say "God Save the King", Why you'd think we were happy here in hell, And we'll stand side by side, And we'll never say goodbye, And we'll die, and they'll say that we done well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Greg F. Date: 11 Nov 06 - 06:34 PM You'd think, wouldn't you? Bush didn't. Not so- I'm confident Bush & The BuShites did. They just didn't give a shit. And that's considerably more damning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST Date: 11 Nov 06 - 08:31 PM Considering that civilian deaths in all these wars pile up to millions and millions and millions of people, I wonder if the warring nations will ever honor the citizens they've murdered? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Big Mick Date: 11 Nov 06 - 08:39 PM Like I've been telling you for years, this isn't about celebrating the wars, or the deaths. A Pittance Of Time Written by Terry Kelly © Jefter Publishing - SOCAN They fought and some died for their homeland. They fought and some died, now it's our land. Look at his little child; there's no fear in her eyes. Could he not show respect for other dads who have died? Take two minutes, would you mind? It's a pittance of time, For the boys and the girls who went over. In peace may they rest, may we never forget why they died. It's a pittance of time. God forgive me for wanting to strike him. Give me strength so as not to be like him. My heart pounds in my breast, fingers pressed to my lips, My throat wants to bawl out, my tongue barely resists. But two minutes I will bide. It's a pittance of time, For the boys and the girls who went over. In peace may they rest. May we never forget why they died. It's a pittance of time. Read the letters and poems of the heroes at home. They have casualties, battles, and fears of their own. There's a price to be paid if you go, if you stay. Freedom's fought for and won in numerous ways. Take two minutes, would you mind? It's a pittance of time, For the boys and the girls all over. May we never forget, our young become vets. At the end of the line, It's a pittance of time. It takes courage to fight in your own war. It takes courage to fight someone else's war. Our peacekeepers tell of their own living hell. They bring hope to foreign lands that hate mongers can't kill. Take two minutes, would you mind? It's a pittance of time, For the boys and the girls who go over. In peacetime our best still don battle dress And lay their lives on the line. It's a pittance of time In peace may they rest, Lest we forget why they died. Take a pittance of time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Greg F. Date: 11 Nov 06 - 09:17 PM HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. - Ambrose Bierce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:18 AM The part of Canada in which I live knew this day as Armistice day until well into the seventies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST,Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 12 Nov 06 - 12:16 PM Watch "A pittance of time" and read the origin of the song here http://www.terry-kelly.com/introduction.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Big Mick Date: 12 Nov 06 - 12:33 PM I had the privilege of sitting in Paul Mills backyard during one of our summer gatherings and listening to Terry sing this. I adopted it immediately. He is such a spectacular singer, and fun is watching him and Paul mess around with each other. They are old friends and collaborators. I also love his song which was inspired by reading Angela's Ashes. It is wonderful. I wish I could "see" as well as this vision impaired man does. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Nov 06 - 05:36 PM I was interested in what Wolfgang said about Volkstrauertag, and trying to imagine how different it must feel for Germans, particularly in respect of World War II. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: The Walrus Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:19 PM The mention of certain politicians earlier on made me think of this Kipling epitaph:- A DEAD STATESMAN I could not dig: I dared not rob: Therefore I lied to please the mob. Now all my lies are proved untrue And I must face the men I slew. What tale shall serve me here among Mine angry and defrauded young? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:25 PM Here is a YouTube clip with a montage of pictures and films set against a version of No Man's Land. Worth watching. And there is a lengthy note included that relates some of the points that have been raised in this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Nov 06 - 11:46 AM Dancing At Whitsun * (Trad / Austin John Marshall) It's fifty long springtimes since she was a bride But still you may see her at each Whitsuntide In a dress of white linen and ribbons of green As green as her memories of loving The feet that were nimble tread carefully now As gentle a measure as age do allow Through groves of white blossom by fields of young corn Where once she was pledged to her true love The fields they stand empty, the hedges grow free No young men to tend them or pastures go see They have gone where the forests of oak trees before Have gone to be wasted in battle Down from the green farmlands and from their loved ones Marched husbands and brothers and fathers and sons There's a fine roll of honour where the maypole once stood And the ladies go dancing at Whitsun There's a straight row of houses in these latter days Are covering the downs where the sheep used to graze There's a field of red poppies, a wreath from the Queen But the ladies remember at Whitsun And the ladies go dancing at Whitsun These were the people who paid as well. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 06 - 12:14 PM Nov 11 is Veteran's Day in the U.S. 11-11. Note the 11 behind the soldier in the image below. Broadcast by CNN on Veteran's Day: http://www.infowars.com/images2/sept11/131106twintowers.jpg Just type "shadow government" into any search engine and you'll quickly find open admissions by the US govt that a "parallel" govt is now running in the US. It was activated on Sept 11. This is the CIA's govt. The real govt of the US. The elected officials are just window dressing. The CIA has an interesting history. Founded by men who supported Hitler. Men from Yale University, primarily, where the Germanic death cult of Skull and Bones has a strong presence. 9 of the 16 CIA directors have been former Skull and Bonesmen. This "fraternity" has connections to the Illuminati. The Illuminati are insane numerologists. Their numerology revolves around the number 11. Eleven is important because it visually symbolizes the twin pillars of the temple of Solomon. Long, long history there, but in the modern world, 11 keeps cropping up. The end of WW1 was delayed so the Armistice could be signed on the 11th hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month. Then the monuments started going up around the world, monuments engraved with the word "sacrifice." Most modern wars have been satanic/Illuminatist sacrifices to Lucifer. Look at GWBush's Veteran's day speech. The word "sacrifice" is used five times...five is the number of the pentagram/pentagon...more satanic numerology: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/11/20051111-1.html These animals have been running things for a long time. They back both sides in all wars. They own both parties in all elections. That's how they control us, by controlling the "opposition" groups. And they keep going and going and going. They leave calling cards. They are a gang that leaves tags behind to mark their territory. The twin towers (resemblance to the number 11), politicians admitting they're sacrificing soldiers, Illuminati eyes on TV screens, currency and logos everywhere. Armistice day is just another of these gang signs. A mockery. The people who run the world shake their asses in your face on November 11th and pretend sympathy for the dead, but in reality they're telling you you're an idiot because you can't see the blatant symbolism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Amos Date: 13 Nov 06 - 12:17 PM I had the privelege on Saturday to attend a Veteran's Day service honoring Jack Bennett, USN, Capt. (Retired), who at the age of 90 is wheel-chair bound and infirm, but as sharp of wit and tongue as he ever was. Jack was a Navy Cross awardee as a result of his role in the first naval battle of Guadalcanal, often called the most ferocious sea battle in history. A full description of what Jack went through that night can be found here. The entire service was moving; but the high point was a recitation by an Admiral of Jack's heroic manuvers in that battle on board the San Francisco. Jack, even as infirm as he is today, still carries himself as the personification of brains, guts, courage and sheer determination that characterized so many men who did not survive that attle. Anyone who knows me knows that I hate war, and consider it an unnecessary cruelty. But at the same time, I believe in winning wars if you are in one, with every resource you can muster, as the only acceptable way out. Jack's war was, for him, an unavoidable one, and I am very proud to know him as a friend and honor the courage and determination he showed the world then, and since. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Lox Date: 13 Nov 06 - 05:28 PM If you type unidentified flying object, loch ness monster, fake moon landings, lizard conspiracy, mickey mouse or nostradamus twin towers into any search engine you also get lots of hits. What does that tell me? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 06 - 05:54 PM Whatever you have already decided it does? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Megan L Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:03 PM We had parents who would not let the children out of church to attend the memorial stone I wrote this about that thought. PERSONALLY SPEAKING I would not let my children Stand at the memory stone The days for all that nonsense Is long since dead and gone. She turned her head and walked away Looking down on those who stay. Her Father never faced the gun, Her husband was born when the battle was won. She sees no need for the poppy red To remind us of the lonely dead. Her oldest child, her pride and joy. Her darling dark eyed laughing boy Got his university degree With cap and gown for all to see. Has joined up and gone to train The army needs men with a brain. His training done he is quite pleased To get a posting overseas. To Bosnia he's flown out To hold the line till peace breaks out And all in all it goes just fine Till his vehicle hits a mine. As the petals fall down to the floor No one notices there is one more. She gently holds the petal red Remembering her lonely dead. Margaret H T Barclay - Laughton 1150pm 7th November 1998 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: Lox Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:11 PM Thank you for your informative and enlightening answer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:40 PM Illuminatist control is everywhere, if you just look. And it's woven through history. Alchemists trying to turn lead into gold. Well, it's been done. Only they've turned paper into gold with the World Bank / International Monetary Fund. In the U.S., the Federal Reserve bank is the local branch of the World Bank. The Fed opened its doors in 1913 with a zero balance. Printed some "money" on paper and offered it to the public. Debt creation. No debt exists until you borrow that paper money, then for every dollar put into circulation, a dollar of debt is created. And damned if the whole country isn't running on funny money now. Most of the WORLD. If that's not alchemy, I don't know what is. Turned paper into gold, of a sort...debt...your promise to pay off with labor. They now own you. And this slave system was imported to the U.S. from Europe with very little secrecy. The Illuminatists don't need to operate in secrecy as long as they promise wealth. It is natural that Illuminatists were drawn to money lending and banking, what with their insane obsession with numbers and numerology. It's just sad that more people are still so ignorant of the situation that they'd actually send their kids off to die in sacrificial wars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: bobad Date: 13 Nov 06 - 06:54 PM We are lucky to have you illuminating this topic for us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: skipy Date: 13 Nov 06 - 07:39 PM ok lox, epand your concept with some detail! Skipy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored From: frogprince Date: 13 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM A personal "statement" |
