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BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???

GUEST,mg 30 Nov 06 - 01:45 PM
Big Mick 30 Nov 06 - 01:54 PM
beardedbruce 30 Nov 06 - 01:58 PM
bobad 30 Nov 06 - 01:58 PM
GUEST,heric 30 Nov 06 - 02:22 PM
GUEST,maire-aine 30 Nov 06 - 02:43 PM
Willie-O 30 Nov 06 - 03:07 PM
beardedbruce 30 Nov 06 - 03:10 PM
Willie-O 30 Nov 06 - 03:35 PM
GUEST,memyself 30 Nov 06 - 03:37 PM
beardedbruce 30 Nov 06 - 03:56 PM
dick greenhaus 30 Nov 06 - 05:51 PM
Bunnahabhain 30 Nov 06 - 07:21 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 30 Nov 06 - 07:23 PM
breezy 30 Nov 06 - 07:30 PM
dianavan 30 Nov 06 - 07:33 PM
GUEST,memyself 30 Nov 06 - 07:53 PM
Jeri 30 Nov 06 - 08:28 PM
Ebbie 01 Dec 06 - 02:28 AM
Seamus Kennedy 01 Dec 06 - 11:57 AM

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Subject: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 01:45 PM

Help...I am going to Canada tomorrow and went to get my passport and could not find it. If I don't, I have an old one and drivers' licence etc. Copy of social security card and some picture ID. Do you think I will have any problem? I am not sure if you have to have passport quite yet, and will an old one do? I don't have any time today to research this or I would but if someone knows could thjey please tell me. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 01:54 PM

You will be fine, probably, Mary. I say probably because I have only ever once had them ask for a passport. And that was coming back into the States. If you can find the passport, it will be easier, but the drivers license and any other ID you have should get it done. Admittedly it has been a bit since I crossed (about a year) but I don't think it will be a problem. One thing, though. If you are carrying musical instruments in, you will be questioned as to whether you are going to be paid for performing. You should answer that you are going to make music with friends. I had my car searched thoroughly when going to Rick's CD release. I still suspect it was because I had a bodhran in with the rest of the instruments...... LOL.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 01:58 PM

You need to have a current US passport to RETURN to the US from Canada now. I had to mail my father's to him so he could get back from a fishing trip.


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: bobad
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 01:58 PM

•Travel Documents:

U.S. Citizens traveling to Canada should be prepared to show either a U.S. passport, or other proof of U.S. citizenship and government-issued photo-ID. A driver's license is not proof of citizenship, of course, but can serve as a photo ID in support of other proof such as a birth certificate.

http://www.visitcanada.com/PassportsAndCustoms.html#passportcanada


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 02:22 PM

What bobab said but on and after January 1 you will need a current passport (even for babies)to get in. Your expired passport can be proof of citizenship to get in. I didn't think you needed a current passport to get back in to the US yet, as beardedbruce said. Wasn't a problem for my brother two weeks ago. He just used birth cert and drivers license to go there and back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: GUEST,maire-aine
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 02:43 PM

I crossed at the Detroit-Windsor tunnel last week, with another musician friend, and wasn't asked for id on either side. It's hard to say what they'll ask or want to see. For now, a photo id (like a driver's license) and a proof of citizenship (like a voter registration card) might be enough. We were at the Kildare House session, and we told the customs guy that. All he asked was whether we were bringing anything back.

M.


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Willie-O
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:07 PM

YOU ARE ALL WRONG



Sorry but you are. (except for Mick; we take a dim view of bodhran smuggling). Here is the deal.

You DO NOT CURRENTLY NEED a valid passport (an expired one is useless in any case) to get into Canada, or to return to the U.S. from Canada at this time. You wasted postage there Bruce unless he is staying until Jan 23 2007 then flying back.

The new US Homeland Security regulations are planned to be phased in, but the dates keep changing.

PHASE 1: you--whether American or not--will need a passport to enter the US BY AIR only. This was supposed to be implemented January 8 2007 but was slightly POSTPONED to Jan 23 2007.   

PHASE 2: all travellers, air, car, donkey or whatever, will need a passport to enter the US, currently scheduled for Jan 1 2008. It's possible with the new tilt in US government and vigorous lobbying on both sides of the border (all border states and provinces see this plan as a tourism-killer)that this deal may be weakened, postponed or cancelled. One thing for sure: if you do need a passport, apply early, they are overwhelmed with business!

Note that this is strictly a US law, Canada isn't requiring Americans or Canadians to carry passports to visit our country.

From US State Dept website:

The proposed implementation timeline has two phases:

Beginning January 23, 2007, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling by air between the United States and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda will be required to present a valid passport, Air NEXUS card, or U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Document.

As early as January 1, 2008, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea (including ferries), may be required to present a valid passport or other documents as determined by the Department of Homeland Security. While recent legislative changes permit a later deadline, the Departments of State and Homeland Security are working to meet all requirements as soon as possible. Ample advance notice will be provided to enable the public to obtain passports or passport cards for land/sea entries.   


The (presumably up-to-date) info from State Dept is at:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html


Happy travels!


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:10 PM

Well, they let him fly back, and given the fresh salmon I don't regret the postage...


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Willie-O
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:35 PM

Mmmmm, fresh salmon.

Course he would have been back anyway unless he was totally lacking in legit ID...it will be interesting to see what happens after Jan 23, will we be hosting a bunch of involuntarily exiled Americans who don't watch the news? Or they can just walk across the border and tear up their plane tickets...


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:37 PM

I think it's a plot to stick us Canadians with a whole bunch of Americans who won't be allowed back into the land of the free. I can see it now - a refugee camp in downtown Windsor that in six months' time is more prosperous than the rest of the city ...

We'd better watch that they don't pull a Castro and empty the prisons and send send their undesirables across by the boat(or bus)load - sans passports - ... Come to think of it, maybe that's why they're letting folksingers think they can come and go at will; it's a set-up, folks ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:56 PM

"We'd better watch that they don't pull a Castro and empty the prisons and send send their undesirables across by the boat(or bus)load - sans passports - ...

Hmmm.... but you might WANT our "undesirables".


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 05:51 PM

Part of the global war on tourism


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:21 PM

I though there was no problem getting into Canada, but to get back into Quebec, you had to have a sufficient odour of garlic, string of onoins, and either a berte or fur hat, depending on season...


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:23 PM

Mick, as long as the bodhran is unloaded and locked in the trunk of the car you are allowed to transport it in Canada LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: breezy
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:30 PM

I once crossed the border from the US without my passport, back around 92.

Every time I've entered Canada since I have an interview with immigration, I usually give them the job.

The way things are I am surprised to hear things are so lax between the 2 cuntries, shocked even, I'ld be concerned, very.


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:33 PM

I mentioned this before.

When I tried to get back into Canada (I'm a Canadian citizen) from Phoenix, they would not accept my Canadian citizenship card (with a picture) as proof. I also had a driver's licence and an assortment of medical cards, voters registration, credit cards, union card etc.

It took a supervisor to bypass the computer before they would let me on board. My expired passport was useless as was my hospital birth certificate.

Expect anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:53 PM

Breezy - What are you so concerned about, exactly?


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 08:28 PM

The US might be invaded by deluded Canadians, or Canada might be invaded by disillusioned Americans. It really is a situation waiting to happen.

They let me into Canada and back into the US with my driver's licence.

I've also wondered what would happen if, when the rules changed, I didn't feel like shelling out the bucks for a passport. (Isn't this discrimination against the poor?) Would they call the State Department? Would they put me in jail? Would I have to sit outside the Duty Free shop with a little tin can and a 'Homeless Exile' sign? When I got pneumonia from doing this (and not having the forethought to pack enough socks and underwear), would I get decent (Canadian National) medical care? Will they feed me and house me and give me a stipend, or will I have to call CNN?

Or would I be deported back to Afghanistan?

It's all kind of funny. The US government doesn't seem to want us to travel, but then, they don't seem to want us to come home again. I'm so hurt...


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 02:28 AM

A Juneau friend of mine says that when it comes right down to it, the moment that the USA doesn't let me back into the US from Canada, Canada will be on my side. They won't want me either, and they will see to it that I get out of their country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Crossing to Canada -- passport rules???
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 11:57 AM

Shit! Just when I wanted to go up for the baby seal-clubbing season.
Damn...

Seamus


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