BS: does your zodiac suit you?

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 06:08 PM

Hi Sharon.

   Whether an astrologer reads your chart accurately depends partly on the quality of the astrologer; there are as few fine ones as in any other field (12 years ago on BBC, a top orchestral player reckoned there were only 2 top conductors in the world !!!!)

   It also depends on the client's self-knowledge and honesty (we all have axes to gring, especially about ourselves.)

   And it depends on the accuracy of the birth details .


   Astrology is ideally really more about how the client can become themselves,than being told what the chart says as tho' the client was a static, finished person. Astrology takes the idea seriously that we are all developing and changing (by getting older if absolutely nothing else.)





   Bill and Tia.

   Thanks for your responses.

   Bill. One doesn't test 'claims' per se, in the abstract;'Claims' are about something. In the cases i've mentioned, the claims are about people. I've stated why I think that where the subject of the study is people, there are insurmountable difficulties in being thoroughly scientific.

   So it is because of the 'object' of the claims that there is difficulty.


    And we have to more careful about asserting what we can and cannot take seriously. Bill, you make it look as tho' it were self-evident (an alternative to 'intuitive') as to what is worth or not worth study.

    And I think you both seem to have particular understandings of what science can and cannot do. We all gain knowledge about our daily world without the use of a scientific method. I think the 'scientific method' is not the transparent, non-contestable,self-evident concept that you both appear to believe in. And it would be a mistake to think that us astrologers dismiss science out of hand - of course we don't,tho' we're far from alone in thinking it has problems.(Neither of you have responded to the idea that we only have ideas that have not yet been falsified rather than are just true (Popper); or the idea that many scientists don't accept that they are part of their experiment (Einstein);or any of the quotes from eminent scientists about what they believe but cannot prove.


   Tia. Your experiment doesn't strike me as satisfactory partly because I agree with the partipant who suggested they may not have been good at astrology. You don't test just anybody in physics to decide whether physics is valid or not. And when it comes to interpretation of charts, there is much art and psychology as anything and we're landed back with the problem of humans being the material. And I'm not sure how we test interpretations as contrasted with 'facts' or even theories. And people have freewill, so horoscopes don't detail a person's fate as fixed, obvious.

That's why astrologers work with astrology clients ina (quasi-) counselling way rather than a scientific one.

('Art' in the last para. as contrasted with science,is short for 'art of interpretation'. I'm sure some stone-cold knew it was short for 'art of deception';obviously not.)






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: SharonA
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 04:46 PM

My astrological sign -- Gemini -- definitely suits me, from the general overviews I've read. But I've never delved into the intricacies of the zodiac, never had any sort of a reading or analysis, etc., so I don't know whether a description derived from my birthdate and birthtime would be accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: TIA
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:28 AM

"...the scientific method isn't applicable to astrology."

Hmmm. I did apply the scientific method to astrology (see above). And I got a result. If one does not like the result, it is not a logical, nor intellectually honest, response to claim that the result is invalid because science does not apply.

I am certainly not the arbiter of what is "true" in the universe. I welcome anyone else to perform their own test, using the scientific method, to see whether it agrees with the results of my test. As a scientist, I am keenly aware that my current beliefs, based on testing to-date, are always in danger of being quashed by the next experiment. I await the next experiment...

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 08:34 PM

Well, Ivor, you have missed the point of what I said. The problem is, it takes many paragraphs of typing to adequately outline the distortions, and RE-explain what I was saying in simpler terms.

Briefly...I did NOT say anything about "dealing with humans by the scientific method"...I said, essentially, that dealing with certain claims one needs an approach "from a neutral, unbiased viewpoint, such as the scientific method."...which, if properly employed IS, by definition, unbiased.

Perhaps the use of 'instinct' was a mistake, only because it has a 'loaded' set of alternative meanings. All *I* meant was that almost everyone would not take a subject like "How to read the minds of Armadillos" seriously, and that, even without knowing technical language, would tend to agree that you can't really do that! You automatically discriminate between stuff that seems possible and stuff that is silly....unless the silly ones are presented in a way that disguises them as possible ones.

   One of the hardest points to make about reasoning and judgment is that there ARE some clear rules of logic, which, like mathematics, are NOT just personal opinions. I get so tired of people saying "..well, it's true for ME!"...no, my friend...usually it is not. Saying "Rhubarb pie is nasty" can be 'true for you', but saying that "testing astrological claims is exempt from the scientific method" is not...you may 'believe' anything you wish, but reality has a way of being what it is despite 40,000,000 people thinking otherwise.
Simply stating that you have a different notion of how to define a word or use a concept does NOT exempt you from standard usage.
You can form a club and decide among yourselves to use words YOUR ignore those picky folks who want to suggest you are being careless, but putting your fingers in your ears and saying "nanananana" doesn't make you right.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Ghost of Jacques Cousteau
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:24 PM

Ze Zodiac, she suit me down to la terre.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 11:57 AM

You "know instictively" that there are rules etc.etc.

   "Instinctively"? Oh, I see. Instinct. Ah, right.

   And to know whether study is possible cannot be discerned from within the subject's framework.

   I appreciate your clarity, Bill. It sounds like there's just the one method for deciding. Which sounds like anybody's "I know what's right and anything else is therefore, a priori wrong. Guess we'll have to agree to differ. For me that's like "If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."

   To put a comment from my previous posr slightly differently, but more relevantly to Bill's last, I don't believe humans can be dealt with by the scientific method satisfactorily. Our more material side, physiology and so on, is more amenable. Economics and the other human sciences I mentioned last post are buggered by at least two things. One is that the scientists necessarily have axes to grind. The other is our difficulties with understanding ourselves, especially because of the unpindownableness (sorry) of the unconscious.

   Oh, and a third problem is our non-repeatability.

   But we're already agreed that the scientific method isn't applicable to astrology.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Scoville
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:31 PM

Oh, good grief--I had no idea anyone would take this at all seriously. I just thought it was fun. Magic eight balls are fun, too, but I hope we don't put too much store in them.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:09 PM

I sure see your point, Capn'

Unfortunately, simply harrumphing is self-defeating. Intelligent, nice people DO take it seriously, just as they do religion and flying saucers. People assemble complex defenses and explanations for these...and other...beliefs. It is not always clear HOW they come to their confident stance, but they BELIEVE these things, and you cannot deal with them like Lucy tried in an old Peanuts cartoon:


Lucy, talking to Linus: "Change your mind!"
Linus just looks at her.
Lucy.."CHANGE YOUR MIND!!
Linus looks more intimidated and grumpy...
Lucy.."CHANGE YOUR MIND, I SAY!!"

Lucy, walking away, disgruntled and mumbling."Boy, it's hard to get people to change their minds these day!"

Sadly, I am reminded of my ex-wife many years ago, where most of our 'arguments' deteriorated into 'quarrels' about HOW to argue!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 04:37 PM

Bravo Bill - better than I could have put it! I'm afraid I'm still at the stage where I want to harrumph: "well, it's all superstitious codswallop and there's an end to it - there's no more need to 'prove' this tosh than to 'prove' that the earth isn't flat, as only a purblind fool would fall for it."
Sadly, as we see here, even apparently intelligent people can surrender their reason to nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 04:26 PM

"one of my philosophy teachers pointed out that anyone speaking on any subject of which they are ignorant need not be listened to with much seriousness."

*smile*...that has the 'ring' of sense...and is obviously, and thus trivially true about many subjects...from high-energy physics to bricklaying. It 'suggests' that critics of subjects like Astrology are usually not conversant in the details, and have no real basis to judge.

However, the problem with it as a generalization is also obvious if you apply it to a subject like "How to read the minds of Armadillos" or "Best techniques for stopping freight trains with sofa pillows".
....Silly examples, but the point is, you know instinctively that there are rules for deciding whether the subject can be studied and used effectively. That is, some subjects can only be studied IF you already accept the basic premises on which they are founded. The point about subjects like astrology, phrenology, I-Ching, Tarot...etc.. **IS** that we need to be sure that such a study is even possible, and that cannot be done from within its framework...no matter how old or complex its rules and details.
   It can be investigated, analyzed; its details and claims calculated and correlated....but only from a neutral, unbiased viewpoint, such as the scientific method. After all, we are asking whether important 'life decisions' should be made....not just playing a game like chess.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:41 PM

I don't know about all that astrology stuff: seems like you'd need an awful lot of details that are hard to find to get an 'accurate' chart.

The Enneagram is fascinating! I'm a 7 and an 8, with some others thrown in for good measure. Very interesting reading.

I'm currently reading a book called "Exuberance" by Kay Redfield Jamison that anyone in the '8' area will love.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:20 PM

I do write as someone with huge respect for so much of what science sets out to do and achieves. We can probabvly all agree that astrology is not in the same ballpark as science.

Some examples of what notable scientists believe tho' they can't prove it.


   "I believe that evolution has direction and purpose." Douglas Rushkoff.

   "I believe but cannot prove that the same is true all over the universe, wherever life may exist" namely "all of life...is shaped by Darwinian natural selection." Richard Dawkins.

   "Is string theory a futile exercise in physics ,as I believe it to be?".   Philip Anderson.

   " there is no such thing as God(s) or such a thing as the soul." Robert Sapolsky, prof of biological sciences at Stanford.

   "I believe but cannot prove that reality exists independant of its human and social constructions." Michael Shermer.

   "I can't prove it but I'm pretty sure people gain a selective advantage from believing in things they cannot prove." Randolph Nesse

   "...my surest conviction: that some of my beliefs (and yours) contain errors." David Myers, professor of psychology at Hope College

   "Everything. In a strict Popperian reading, all the things I 'know'are propositions I have not yet falsified." James O'Donnell


   To endeavour to cut to the chase, I rather doubt if any area of study is amenable to Western scientific method where a or the central object of the study is humans; so psychology, economics, sociology and so on get rather robbed of anything like full meaning or reality in principle when they attempt to ape mathematics.

   There are plenty of books about on scientific disputes, like the current one on the reality or otherwise of climate change.




i've read How Mumbo-Jumbo...., which I enjoyed greatly. I agreed with most of what he had to say. I think he went astray in his account of astrology for the same reason as the North texas Skeptics did, namely deep ignorance. As I've said before, one of my philosophy teachers pointed out that anyone speaking on any subject of which they are ignorant need not be listened to with much seriousness.







       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Captain Ginger
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 03:42 PM

You might treat yourself to Francis Wheen's 'How Mumbo Jumbo Conquered the the World' - it's an excellent polemic against delusion, superstition and pseudoscience. I don't thing you'll find it comfortable reading, however.
Meanwhile, what, pray, do those 109 emminent figures have to say about astrology? Is there one of them who will puthis or her reputation on the line and say tha s/he believes in it?
Care to elucidate us on what their matters of uncertainty actually were?

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 12:30 PM

ah, Captain Ginger...how well I know both the temptation to 'explain' the problems with pseudo-sciences and the futility of doing so to those who have decided ahead of time what they will consider as facts or data.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 12:18 PM

My point is discussed at length in "Against Method" by the US professor of philosophy Paul Feyerabend.
   
   in it, he seeks to demonstrate that scientists introducing a paradigm-shift often had to resort all sorts of intellectual wheezes and sleight-of-brain moves to persuade the intellectuals of the day. Rationality and experimentation weren't always enough to persuade.

one of Einstein's basic insights, that the experimenter is part of the experiment, is still hard for some scientists to take, i.e.those who think they are objectivity itself.


And you might treat yourself to a book of statements by 109 current scientists "What we Belive but Cannot Prove", edited by John Brockman. They include Martin Rees, Richard Dawkins, Karl SabbaghJared Diamond, Randolph Nesse, Steven Pinker and Howard Gardner.





Best wishes,






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Captain Ginger
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 03:38 AM

...and each and every one of them was able to demonstrate, using empirical methods, that they were right. Their observations are provable and can be reproduced by others and have been tested and found to be sound down the centuries. It's that funny mumbo-jumbo thing called "science".
Astrology, on the other hand...
Oh dear, don't get me started. I know it's a waste of breath, given that the enthusiasts for this pseudoscience will cling to their beliefs in the face of all reason and will continue to perpetuate what is essentially a con-trick.
But, as has been pointed out, if a pharmaceutical company brought to market a contraceptive pill which had no discernible effect on fertility it would be sued by trusting customers who found themselves pregnant.
As Dawkins has written: "If astrologers cannot be sued by individuals misadvised, say, into taking disastrous business decisions, why at least are they not prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act and driven out of business.
"Why, actually, are professional astrologers not jailed for fraud?"
It's a good question.
I'm sorry, but astrology is another manifestation - along with crystal healing, reiki and other pseudoscience - of a creeping irrationalism born, I fear, of the despair most people feel when they feel unable to improve their lives and thus feel themselves to be at the whim of mysterious celestial and impersonal forces.
Or, bluntly, it's bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 03:25 AM

I mean each of them and many others were severely opposed by the intellectual leaders of their day.

   



       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Exasperated
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 01:49 AM

And what examples would they be, autolycus? Are you trying to tell me that each of them recanted reason in favour ofbunkum? Do share!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 06:49 PM

BTW.quite agree with Alice that people cling to their beliefs even when presented with the facts. See the examples of Newton, Einstein and especially Copernicus.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 02 Jan 07 - 12:30 PM

I might try some of those at work tomorrow, Freda.

Some of the light-bulb ones went well today.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: freda underhill
Date: 02 Jan 07 - 12:09 PM

After Sex Comments by Sun Sign:

Aries: "Okay, let's do it again!"

Taurus: "I'm hungry--pass the pizza."

Gemini: "Have you seen the remote?"

Cancer: "When are we getting married?"

Leo: "Wasn't I fantastic?"

Virgo: "I need to wash the sheets."

Libra: "I liked it if you liked it."

Scorpio: "Perhaps I should untie you."

Sagittarius: "Don't call me--I'll call you."

Capricorn: "Do you have a business card?"

Aquarius: "Now let's try it with our clothes off!"

Pisces: "What did you say your name was again?"

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 02 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM

Hadn't seen that.*daylia* - very sweet.

   nice to know that us flat-earthers have a sense of humour.

   On the other hand, we must stop stamping our feet, mustn't we. It's not seemly.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Gizmo
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 04:06 PM

rofl

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: *daylia*
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 08:25 AM

Have you seen these yet, Ivor? Here's how each Sign petitions the Divine...

ARIES: "Dear God! Gimme patience! RIGHT NOW!"

TAURUS: "Dear God, please help me accept CHANGE in my life, but NOT YET."

GEMINI:   "Yo God...(or is it Goddess?)...Who are you?...What are you?.....Where are You?.....How many of you ARE there? I can't figure you out!"

CANCER: "Dear Daddy, I know I shouldn't depend on you so much, but you're the only One I can count on while my security blanket is at the cleaners."

LEO: "Hi, Pop! I'll bet you're really proud to have me as your kid!"

VIRGO: "Dear God, please make the world a better place, and don't screw it up like you did the last time."

LIBRA: "Dear God, I know I should make decisions for myself. But, on the other hand, what do YOU think?"

SCORPIO: "Dear God, help me forgive my enemies, even if the bastards don't deserve it."

SAGITTARIUS: "OH ALMIGHTY, ALL KNOWING, ALL-LOVING, ALL-POWERFUL, OMNIPRESENT, EVERLASTING GOD, IF I'VE ASKED YOU ONCE, I'VE ASKED YOU A MILLION TIMES --- HELP ME STOP EXAGGERATING!!!!!!!!!!"

CAPRICORN: "Dear Father, I was going to pray, but I guess I ought to figure things out for myself. Thanks anyway."

AQUARIUS: "Hi God! Some say you're a man. Some say you're a woman. I say we're ALL God. So, why pray? Let's have a party!"

PISCES: "Heavenly Father, as I prepare to consume this last fifth of Scotch to drown out all my pains and sorrows, may my inebriation be for Thy greater Honor and Glory."

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: *daylia*
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 07:36 AM

Enlightenment must be quite a grunt, for a Burger King.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Burger King
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 07:25 AM

As an Aries, I have a quasi-kinship with the flame ;-)
That's good, as you'll doubtless be flamed for your gullibility.
As a rational product of the Enlightenment, I have a quasi-kinship with flamers and other debunkers of pseudoscientific twaddle.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Scipio
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 07:20 AM

C

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: *daylia*
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 07:17 AM

LOL   thanks Ivor!    (btw, I can put off changing a lightbulb for months on end. I prefer candles anyway. As an Aries, I have a quasi-kinship with the flame ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: GUEST,Richard Dawkins
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 07:06 AM

Holy Crap! Now we have the true believers trotting out their piffle again! Stand by for another 300-plus posts as the flat-earthers stamp their feet...

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 12:45 PM

I hear ya,*dahlia*.

   How do these sound?

   How many Arians does it take to change a light bulb?

   None.Arians aren't afraid of the dark.

   Taureans?

   None. Taureans never want to change anything.

   Geminis?

   2 plus a portable phone, an internet link and a copy of the "Bluffer's Guide to Changing Light Bulbs."

   Cancerians?

   Just 1 and it takes a therapist 3 years to get them thru the grieving process.

   Leos?

   Just one. They holds the bulb and the world spins round them.

   Virgos?

   They haven't got time,they're too busy changing everybody else's.

   Libras?

   Er, er, er, er, er 2, er no maybe just one. No on second thoughts make that two. What do you think?


   Scorpios?

   Why do you want to know? Are you a cop?


   Sagittarians?

   Look, ask me when I get back from India.

   Capricorns?

   I don't waste my time with these childish jokes.


   Aquarians?

   Well, you have to remember that everything is energy, so....


   Pisceans?

   What lightbulb?






      Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 10:59 AM

"...fiivvvee retrograde rings.
four planets rising,
three moons occluding,
two charts disputing---
and a Pisces in a quand-ry"


further, deponent sayeth not.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: *daylia*
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 09:23 AM

I have an Aries Sun, Taurus Moon and Gemini Rising. At first glance, this combination suggests a self-absorbed, restless self-starter who loves chit-chit, discovery, pioneering, competition, luxury and all the good things life has to offer.

While all this is more or less true, these tendencies are colored and qualified by personal House placements (or lack thereof). For instance, I'm rather laid-back for an Aries Sun, tending to focus time and energy and resources on other people rather than on myself. Interestingly, I have no planets in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd Houses - the most "personal" of the 12 houses (and they are, btw, Aries, Taurus and Gemini's houses, respectively).

While Aries is indeed "all about ME", and the 1st House (ruled by Aries) is also "all about ME", I have no planets there. This indicates that I do not naturally focus my attention or energy on myself.

And in fact, I do need to be reminded to look after me, on a regular basis!

That Aries Sun is in the 11th House -- the house of friends, of groups and the larger community, of hopes and dreams and wishes - again indicating that my energy and attention just naturally flows to "the other", and not to yours truly.   

Plus, it is square Saturn, the Great Setter of Physical Limits and Boundaries. SHe delights in suffocating all that Aries Fire and enthusiasm, earthing it, bringing it all back down to hard cold physical reality.   

Hmnph!!!!!   

Well, I'm glad there's a wide orb on that particular aspect - almost 8 degrees. So I do okay in the self-confidence self-starting dept, most of the time. And with Sun at 3 deg Aries square Saturn at 25 deg Sagittarius, the tension of the square is greatly reduced as both are in Fire signs.

And thats MORE than enough chit-chit for one day. Y'hear me good, Gemini Rising? Especially on THIS particular forum, and about THIS particular subject!

Have a star-studded New Years everyone,

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: autolycus
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 07:20 AM

To come back to the question,(and without criticising the question itself), my HOROSCOPE is the hand I was dealt, and I'm learning from my chart how to play it better.

   What a chart (horoscope) can do is not pigeon-hole but remind me what my unique process could be, along with Transits and Progressions.

   But enough of explanation, unless anyone asks for more.

   I'm a Cancerian, and I do have the emotionality (tho' controlled by Saturn conjuncting my Sun), nurturing, off-the-wallness, natural defensiveness, insecurity, homelovingness.

   I have Gemini rising, consequently the jokes, the large collection of books, love of writing and conversation,and sarcasm, tho' with a trine from Saggie-ruling Jupiter, in an optimistic way.

   With a Libra moon, I hesitate long in deciding, and have a love of the arts in general,music in particular.

   With a bowl pattern of planets,I go on and on collecting, supported by my Sun.



   Some posters are under the misapprehension that your sun-sign(popularly called the 'star-sign') has a simple, one-for -one correspondence with you. As Alice will know, you have to look at the whole chart. Someone with just the Sun in Capricorn is going to be a different animal from someone with the Sun and 2 or 3 other planets in Capricorn, the latter far more Capricornian.

   Some have the idea it's a guessing game. It isn't.

   The North Texas Skeptics don't appear to have studied astrology.


   To repeat the famous, possibly apocryphal, exchange,

   Halley,"There's nothing to astrology, is there Newton."

   Newton,"Sir,I have studied the matter,you haven't."


   And just to show how mainstream media have an agenda, the BBC have a programme In Our Time, hosted be Melvyn Bragg. These are 40-minute discussions on some topic, usually with academics in the relevant field. One was on the history of astronomy, another on Isaac Newton. Despite the facts that astronomy grew out of astrology, and that Newton did more on occult matters like astrology than on maths, the 80 minutes of programme managed not to mention astrology once. Rewriting history by omission of what most listeners would already be ignorant.

    And a heartfelt Happy and Fulfilling New Year from a pessimistically (Saturn conjunct Sun,Mars square Mercury in fixed signs) optimist (Jupiter sextile Sun, Jupiter trine Mars ).






      Ivor
PS. The previous astrology thread was hardly as long as e.g.Closed Threads pt.2, David Lynch and 11/9, etc.etc.(Defensive Cancerian)

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Slag
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 01:03 PM

Brothers! Come see! I am drinking stars!!!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Metchosin
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 12:38 PM

Well I can see by your chart that you will be shucking out a few Bills.....

My family maintains that I am a Virgo that has seriously gone off the rails, mind you, they also class me as an obsessive compulsive with ADD too.

Perhaps its all true, as I turned out as a 1, 6, 7 the other day when I did the test and I'm sure if I did it today it would turn our quite differently, in sync with my mood.

Joking aside, I agree with Alice.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 12:04 PM

it....*gulp*...MUST be true....I AM a Taurus, and I just BOUGHT a Taurus! What more proof do we need?

I shall consult the stars immediately to see what brand of gasoline I should buy!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Alice
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 11:32 AM

I resist any system that categorizes people and their personalities. I have changed so many times over my lifetime that I am a perfect example of why astrology is bunkum.... and I used to be an astrologer (see my point?).

Humans are far more unique, complex and changeable than any zodiacal system can describe.

Alice

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Slag
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 03:28 AM

7,4,5

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 01:59 AM

I'm a Feces, and consequently think it's all shite.

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 08:45 AM

My Ennengram said I was a tie between Types 4, 5, and 9.

Really.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 08:33 AM

I'm a "9"

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:39 PM

LOLOL

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:38 PM

That was the Type 8 ... coming out of me with that response.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:33 PM

OK by me!

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:32 PM

damned right it is!

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:30 PM

The Peacemaker.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: number 6
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:27 PM

I did that test and it hit it right on. The Peacemaker #9.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Peace
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:04 PM

Me too. I got to about question 6 and was in the same dilemma. However, maybe Kendall has more to say--that test was a sampler I think.

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: Slag
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 11:00 PM

Yeah Peace, I'm really split down the middle on a lot of those. There are some other similar test out there that allow a little more lattitude than this one and do a pretty good job of nailing your pesonality type (assuming that you have one, that is!).

Subject: RE: BS: does your zodiac suit you?
From: bobad
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 10:42 PM

I've been

    * romantic and imaginative.
    * pragmatic and down to earth.

I couldn't get past the first question because I have at different times been both. That is the problem I have with these types of questionaires, you are supposed to make a choice where often there is no choice to be made.