BS: Cellular Memories

Subject: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Partridge
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:29 AM

click here

I was just doing a bit of surfing wnen I came across the article in the link above. If you scroll down it gives some interesting case studies.

I just wondered whether any of you knew anyone that had had a transplant and had reported similar feelings.

Pat x

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 07:58 AM

New Scientist and BBC have done pieces on this. And certainly DNA from a person with a transplant can and often does contain misleading signitures. Including a jail stretch for one guy who's brother had donated a kidney and also done the murder.

The one instance that springs to mind was a virtually TT lady who came out of hospital and straight into a pub for a beer (lager actually). When the history was revealed (there are ways in the USA apparently) the donor (or doner if you prefer) was a regular (daily) lager drinker.
The strength of the feelings vary from patient to patient.

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:22 AM

In the programme I saw/heard (can't remember which) there was a woman who recovered from her transplant and found herself driving to a KFC, which she never used to do. It turned out the young man whose heart she had received had some chicken nuggets in his jacket pocket, and had therefore probably been looking forward to them when he died.

They said there is a cluster of nerve cells in the heart which is big enough to constitute a tiny brain, which is why, they think, that these occurrences are more common with heart transplants than with other organs.

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Partridge
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:45 AM

Topsie, I think this is the case syudy you are thinking about.

Pat x


In 1997, a book titled A Change of Heart was published that described the apparent personality changes experienced by Claire Sylvia. Sylvia received a heart and lung transplant at Yale–New Haven Hospital in 1988. She reported noticing that various attitudes, habits and tastes changed following her surgery. She had inexplicable cravings for foods she had previously disliked. For example, though she was a health-conscious dancer and choreographer, upon leaving the hospital she had an uncontrollable urge to go to a Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet and order chicken nuggets, a food she never ate. Sylvia found herself drawn toward cool colours and no longer dressed in the bright reds and oranges she used to prefer. She began behaving in an aggressive and impetuous manner that was uncharacteristic of her but turned out to be similar to the personality of her donor. Interestingly, uneaten Kentucky Fried Chicken nuggets were found in the jacket of the young man (her donor) when he was killed.

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:20 AM

My wife is an 10 year heart transplant survivor. I can't say that we have noticed anything that would fall into those categories.
Life is 'different' because of all the meds she has to take, and her diet is necessarily careful, but no personality glitches. I'll ask her if she wants to comment.

(She sings better, because she has more stamina....there is one good thing!)

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: GUEST,Gary Heart
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:33 AM

If I hear of a case where a Republican starts voting Democrat after a transplant I'll consider it proven.

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Bagpuss
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:46 AM

Random anecdotes are so much more persuasive to me than peer reviewed research....

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Partridge
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:06 PM

Katy, I did find some proper research, but the articles were either very longwinded or you had to pay to download them. I'll do another look and PM you the links.

I'll do it tomorrow as I have a computer bloke coming round to fix some glitches that I'm currently having with this PC.

Pat x

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:11 PM

Well, my son in law and my daughter both have bemusedly said that he now likes country music, which he never had; his kidney transplant was from a Tennessee man.

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:17 PM

I'll do it tomorrow as I have a computer bloke coming round to fix some glitches that I'm currently having with this PC.

Sounds like your PC is having a heart transplant - watch-out for the uncontrolled urges to surf porn sites (or should that be porn sights?)

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:37 PM

China selling organs of executed prisoners

Your Honour, only since I got that liver from a Chinese rapist I have felt that irresistible urge.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 02:44 PM

. . and my doctor never informed me of this risk. I have a suit pending.

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: RangerSteve
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:24 PM

Great. I'm a candidate for a kidney transplant. I hope the donor, whoever he or she is, likes clawhammer banjo. I also hope it's a he, Lord knows what could happen to me with a woman's kidney. ALthough, maybe I'll become neat and clean for a change. What if it's a murderer's kidney? No, wait, that was an old movie I saw years ago, and it was a hand transplant. I shouldn't have opened this thread.

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: GUEST, She
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:40 PM

What makes you think a woman's kidney would make you neat and clean - sure wouldn't happen if you had one of mine!

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 04:10 PM

RangerSteve, it will probably just broaden your world. I know that it has had only a beneficial effect on my son in law. I wish a most excellent match and fast healing for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Adrianel
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:16 PM

After a transplant, you are usually on immunosuppressants for life. Some of these can be quite poisonous, and could be affecting the brain. Certainly prednisone (nearly always part of the mix) can do strange things to thought processes. My wife has had "steroid psychosis" on prednisone, and some of her behaviour is only funny in retrospect. She did finally work out how to redesign the kitchen, though.
"Better living through chemistry"?

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:24 PM

"Your Honour, only since I got that liver from a Chinese rapist I have felt that irresistible urge."

For General Tso's chicken (左公雞, Hanyu Pinyin Zuǒ gōng jī; or 左宗棠雞, Zuǒ Zōng Táng jī?

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:36 PM

But has anyone examined the changes in personality experienced by heart transplant donors?

Do they really all turn into heads of corporations and/or conservative Republocrats?

John

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:42 PM

Certainly prednisone (nearly always part of the mix) can do strange things to thought processes

Ah - well that would explain the one that started liking country music then!

(I'll get me coat...)

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 11:45 PM

LOL John!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 02:37 PM

This is a fascinating study, if there is genuine merit to the data. Whole behaviors creeping across with an organ transplant. The recipients often say they "feel" the donor within them. Haunting idea!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 02:57 PM

In future we may all be 'haunted', eh? That should be a new way of spreading unity.

In reality, I think this whole subject is fascinating. Wonder if the ones who first decided that transplants are feasible ever considered this phenomenon?

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: Partridge
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 05:38 AM

click here

more anecdotal evidence

Pat x

Subject: RE: BS: Cellular Memories
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 09:30 AM

The couple in Partridge's link attribute their mutual dreams to the transplant, but I have experienced this a number of times, with no transplants involved - to the point where I now regard it as 'interesting' rather than 'amazing'.
I have often wondered whether it is me tuning in to the dream of the other person, or if it is my dream that they are experiencing.