Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj

Subject: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:59 PM

Hi -
My stepson is looking for a source for the separate orchestral parts for the Haydn Violin Concerto in G Major, first movement. He has the violin solo part and a complete orchestral score, but he's looking for separate parts for the other members of the Youth Symphony, since the orchestral score involves too much page-turning

Anybody know of a source (preferably free)? A MIDI might helps, since I might be able to separated the parts from a MIDI, and print them separately.

I found this score for the very reasonable price of $13.25 at Sheet Music Plus, but it has separate parts for only the violin and piano.

The score at Sheet Music Plus identifies the piece as Hob. VIIa: 4 - can anybody explain that numbering system?

Any ideas?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: mrdux
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:30 PM

Joe --

no ideas on the sheet music, but "Hob. VIIa: 4" is a reference to the number of the piece in the catalogue of Haydn's works done by Anthony van Hoboken (1887-1983): "J. Haydn,
Thematisch-bibliographisches Werkverzeichnis." The roman numeral is the type of composition, the other number is the number assigned to the particular piece. In the more-than-you-probably-wanted-to-know department, following is a list of the musical types and corresponding Hoboken numbers.

michael

# Symphonies H I 1-108
# Overtures H Ia 1-16
# Divertimenti in 4 and more Parts H II 1-47
# String Quartets H III 1-83b
# Divertimenti in 3 Parts H IV 1-11
# String Trios H V 1-21
# Various Duos H VI 1-6
# Concerti for Various Instruments H VII
# Marches H VIII 1-7
# Dances H IX 1-29
# Various Works for Baryton H X 1-12
# Trios for Baryton, Violin or Viola, Cello 1-126
# Duos with Baryton H XII 1-25
# Divertimenti with Piano H XIV 1-13
# Trios with Piano, Violin or Flute, Cello H XV 1-40
# Piano Duos H XVa
# Piano Sonatas H XVI 1-52
# Piano Pieces H XVII 1-12
# Piano 4 Hands H XVIIa 1-2
# Piano Concerti H XVIII 1-11
# Pieces for Mechanical Clock (Flötenuhr) H XIX 1-32
# Instrumental Works about The Seven Last Words H XX
# Choral Version of The Seven Last Words H XX/2
# Oratorios H XXI 1-3
# Masses H XXII 1-14
# Other Sacred Works H XXIII
# Cantatas and Arias with Orchestra H XXIV
# 2, 3, and 4 Part Songs H XXV
# Songs and Cantatas with Piano H XXVI
# Canons H XXVII Sacred 1-10 Secular 1-47
# Operas H XXVIII 1-13
# Marionette Operas H XXIX
# Incidental Music H XXX
# Arrangements of (273) Scottish and (60) Welsh Folksongs H XXXI

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:38 PM

Thanks a lot, mrdux - I DID want to further my education, and not just find the sheet music. I suppose I can transcribe the 18 pages if I need to, but transcribing orchestral scores is a lot harder than my usual folk-tune transcription.

Hey, you say this Anthony guy comes from Hoboken? Is that New Joisey?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:44 PM

Buy a copy of the complete score, cut it apart, enlarge each part, and re copy? tape the complete back together and re copy. Tedious but I've done it.

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:52 PM

I thought Classical Archives would at least have a midi, but if they do I didn't see it.:-)

You might take a look at THIS, though I think it's just the violin parts.

Have you called any of the sheet music rental places the symphonies use?

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 05:11 PM

Well, I have the complete score and I CAN do the copy-cut-paste. I think I'd rather just transcribe the separate parts on Noteworthy Composer (if I can't get the kid to do it).
Stll, it would seem there should be a way to get a score with separated pieces. It's in the public domain.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 05:12 PM

Why not get the whole Youth Symphony over to copy, cut, paste?**bg**

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:19 PM

Still looking. Is it usual for orchestral pieces to be available with separate parts for various musicians? For this one, I've found an orchestral score, plus separate parts for piano and the violin solo.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: mrdux
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:48 PM

Do you know if the score in separate parts has been published? You might be able to find out by contacting a major music library. The catalog for the Juilliard library is available on line and might be worth browsing.
http://library.juilliard.edu/

michael

ps -- That Anthony guy was from Rotterdam, but I hear he might have had a sister in Weehauken.

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: terrier
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:38 PM

////Still looking. Is it usual for orchestral pieces to be available with separate parts for various musicians? For this one, I've found an orchestral score, plus separate parts for piano and the violin solo.//////

Orchestral scores for individual instruments are usually written out, either by computer or by hand, by professional 'scribes'. They charge for the service, thats why they are difficult to get hold of. Your best bet is still to cut and paste. Beware of piano/solo instrument renderings as they can be very approximate, more for the social swaree round the parlour piano, just for fun. Best of luck. T

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:36 PM

Well, we always had separate parts for every instrument in the orchestra from the time I was 8 years old to graduated from high school and beyond. I *think* we had to rent them, but these days it's a cinch for them to be printed out from a coplete score. The piano/solo thing would be a "study" score, from what I know. The only time I remember a score having to be written out was when we bugged our teacher to orchestrate "Love is Blue" for us so we could play it, which he did. (He was SO kewl! Thanks, Mr. Ashley!)

Joe, you might want to give these folks a call: Luck's Music Library.

Subject: RE: Sheet Music: Haydn Violin Concerto G Maj
From: IvanB
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:54 PM

When I was in HS Band and Orchestra almost 50 years ago all our music came in a set with full conductor's score as well as individual parts for the instrumentalists. I'd assume this would still be the case, although I have no idea what the cost would be (as I remember they were pretty pricey back then).

I suppose it depends on whether a publisher figures a profit can be made by supplying the score and parts, but I'd think most mainstream works would probably be available that way.