BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 08:32 AM

"Mr Farage was the instigator of the campaign, a campaign which has been extremely effective. "
In breaking up the UK, closing the door on employment for British people prepared to travel, destabalising British economy and industry and dividing the British people - well done Mr Farage and well done the hate-filled twots who supported him.
Sounds, from his voting record, that he really put an effort into what he was paid to do, but I suppose you'll have as much courage to respond to that as you have to he shit-storm you people have created for Britain.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 08:23 AM

Mr Farage was the instigator of the campaign, a campaign which has been extremely effective.

He even manage to convince many Ex Labour voters to join in and support a cause which is way above party politics.

Armbands? they were concealed wristbands, and I do not support Fascism or terrorise people......Mr Farage and his family have received dozens of death threats from people not unlike you Jim.
I have never heard Mr Farage contend that immigrants who have arrived here legally should be sent home....he has always said that we can never "have control" over who comes here or in what numbers till we exit the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 07:18 AM

Your hero Farage has the 745th best voting attendance record in the European Parliament. There are 746 MEPs. The only one with a worse record is a man who has suffered long-term ill-health that has prevented him from attending. One could suggest that the way to resist the EU "from within" would be to bloody well turn up.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 04:51 AM

"He is an elected MEP."
And as an unattached MEP he had no responsibility to "deliver" anything without the authority of parliament.
He's taken the money and run, as do all of his type
"He has received nothing that he is not fully entitled to."
Neither has Neil Kinnock - whether either entitlement is justified is a moot point.
He was elected on a racist ticket - if that's how you people wish Britain to be recognised..... what does it say about you as British citizens (you've told us that anyway)'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 04:10 AM

He is an elected MEP.
He was elected to resist EU from within.
He has received nothing that he is not fully entitled to.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 16 - 03:17 AM

"his job is done he has delivered"
So an unelected, beer swilling fascist moron had a part in the decision to leave the E.U. - and a racist, homophobic follower has the nerve to complain about unelected bureaucrats!!
The die is cast, and Britain must live with the consequences, but the Brexits here feel no need to even respond to those consequences, not even to defend them.
Dishonest, irresponsible and cowardly, all in one bundle
Perhaps you can tell us when you mean to send them all back Ake - have you stopped any on the street yet and asked them when they are going home - or don't you have the bottle to do that even?
Maybe you can start dropping reminders through their la etter boxes, or asking them why they aren't wearing their armbands.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 05:18 PM

As I have mentioned already, Mr Farage would have been given no part in implementing the decision to leave the EU, his job is done he has delivered, it is up to the government to bring forward Brexit.... and it will be done whether you like it or not.

The EU is rapidly becoming a basket case.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 02:29 PM

"but he deserves respect in shedloads"

No he doesn't. He's a con artist, a xenophobe a regressive and he's the lot of you hook line and sinker, then scarpered when the real work starts.

You've been done up like a kipper son.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 02:27 PM

And then he f**ked off to collect his 95,000 Euro a year as an MEO plus his 43,000 Euro a year allocation for unspecified expenses PLUS his other claimed for expenses ALL from the very body he objects so much to.

I could do that "gissa a job"

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 02:04 PM

They are all moot points, the die is cast, people no matter how they voted must move on.
The situation in Turkey aught to make us thank our lucky stars for Mr Farage without whom there would have been no Brexit. I don't suppose he will get any respect from the sore losers here, but he deserves respect in shedloads......Have you actually watched him in debate? He cuts them all down. He knows the facts whether they be politically correct or not. He said he would get the UK out of the EU and he did so spectacularly.

Regardless of his politics, are you unable to appreciate principle and bravery?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 01:15 PM

Purchase Tax Rate was 25% immediately prior to the introduction of VAT on 1/4/73, which, of course, replaced Purchase Tax.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 01:05 PM

Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 12:55 PM

I didn't mention VAT, but as you brought it up, contribution is fixed at 0.3% of VAT revenue - ie 0.06% of the net charge of taxable supplies in UK. The fixed contribution is standard for all EU states, and the net based on individual states' choice of VAT rates. So by exiting we could reduce VAT to 19.94%. Below this would result in a reduction in retained tax revenue which would be at the expense of public spend or ability for deficit reduction.

Also it is misleading to associate EU standardisation with imposition of indirect taxation. Before VAT we had purchase tax which at once stage was charges at over 38%. Unfortunately I was only 12 or 13 when it was phased out and as such I am yet to find a web page that explains its mechanisms.

With regards to making choices - I do not have problems with making decisions as part of a wider consensus with care towards how my decisions have an impact on others and only 0.25% of decisions in the council of ministers not going UK's way is not a bad track record.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 08:28 AM

"After Germany the UK was the EU's biggest contributor..."

Which is why Germany has done SO badly in the EU, why its economy is nosediving SO steeply and why everybody in Germany is SO miserable about being in the EU...

Mind you, they didn't have a Thatcher to shut down their manufacturing industries and turn them into a nation of unregulated banking spivs and insurance salesmen...

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 07:17 AM

On the Brexit Battle Bus it said:

"WE SEND THE EU £350 MILLION A WEEK: LET'S FUND OUR NHS INSTEAD, VOTE LEAVE"

Quite clear, quite unequivocal the NHS were to get a cash windfall, not we MIGHT give them a few bob extra.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 07:00 AM

Matter of CHOICE SPB-Cooperator and who gets to make the choices that affect us.

Out of the EU, UK politicians can make decisions and choices that affect the UK and only the UK.

Inside the EU, we a re forced to accept and comply with decisions and choice that may well not be in our interests.

Out of the EU, it is far, far easier for the UK to make trade deals with whoever it wishes to, we do not have to get unanimous agreement of 27 other Governments before we can sign up. The world is a larger trading partner than Europe.

VAT was the tax introduced in the UK when it joined the Common Market to pay our share into the EEC's coffers. Now that we are leaving the EU we can do one or more of three things:

1: Scrap it altogether
2: Retain it and immediately profit by the net amount we pay to Europe (After Germany the UK was the EU's biggest contributor, so if we maintain VAT at current levels we get to keep what we previously paid to Europe)
3: Keep the VAT system but rejig it and tailor it suit our requirements.

"the basis of the promise that the EU contribution would directly fund the health service, nothing else."

No such "promise" was ever made, the statement made regarding hospitals, etc, were illustrative of what the use the savings from not paying into the EU MIGHT be put to in the UK - NOT what they would be used for.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 06:58 AM

I object to paying subsidies to farmers. No-one gives a shit if my business goes to the wall.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 17 Jul 16 - 06:07 AM

OK, all the LIARS who cited the threat of TTIP as a reason for leaving EU, how do you explain this as part of Davis's exit blueprint?

"The UK should "accelerate" the agreement of the controversial Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership deal with the US"

Another one:

"Britain should start to wean itself off grants from Brussels well before the UK finally severs its links to the EU and instead pay grants directly to farmers and fishermen"

Out of taxpayers money? - So why should farmers, and fishermen get a single penny while we are still contributing to CAP? And after, why should they get a penny, as we are leaving on the basis of the promise that the EU contribution would directly fund the health service, nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 01:29 PM

All clowns are entertaining - even the ones who scare you shitless with their nastiness - didn't you ever see 'Dumbo'?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 01:08 PM

Oh he is entertaining..

a classic comedy heartless tory villain,
if only we still had sit com writers of the calibre of Galton & Simpson [retired ?] and Johnny Speight [deceased]
to create an edgy satirical TV series based around him.. 😜

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 12:30 PM

I refer you once again, to my 9 July, 2:50 PM posting. Some things, regrettably don't change.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 11:45 AM

You're nothing If not entertaining,, Teribus.

Entertaining? Don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 10:42 AM

I was referring to the 06.22 post.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 10:41 AM

That is one of your most desperate ever posts. All wishy-washy theory, no numbers, all surmise, quite a lot of spinning. You're nothing If not entertaining,, Teribus.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 10:17 AM

No Akenaton it is not vindictiveness with Raggy - it is pure rage and frustration hence his references to "bricks for gas ovens" and suitability for service at Treblinka, Chelmno or Auschwitz-Birkenau. Truth is as far as being "governed" and dominated by an ideology both Raggy and Jom would serve far more readily if for one second they believed that in doing so it would advance their beliefs. Incapable of independent thought they are trapped by their own clichéd, worn out, disproven myths and bankrupt philosophy.

Raggy's rage and increasing levels of frustration stem from the fact that he hates having the mistakes made by him and his "friends" pointed out to everybody (Not really difficult considering the wealth of idiotic statements they come out with).

And all because I had a bit of harmless fun using information that he supplied to make the observation that someone living abroad, say in Ireland, being paid a UK pension in £Sterling would be taking a drop in pay - Oh dear how horrid of me.

Examples please of "frenzied, virulent and intemperate" or even "aggressive, virulent sometimes strange but often downright nasty posts"

Many people posting in 1930s Germany Raggy?

By the way FTSE at 11 month high
More people employed in the UK than ever before
Wages in the UK higher than they have ever been before

Source by the way - Office of National Statistics

Oh dear aren't we in such a mess.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 07:32 AM

Not vindictiveness at all Akenaton.

I do not know most people on this forum, there are one or two exceptions who I have met and enjoyed the company of.

Thus I can only judge a person with the information I have, that is with the information they post on here.

I recent weeks Teribus (with whom I often disagree it has to be said) has increasingly posted aggressive, virulent sometimes strange but often downright nasty posts.

His posts have reminded me of some of the extremes of 1930's Germany and thus my comment.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 06:22 AM

Steve Shaw - 11 Jul 16 - 06:46 PM

No, akenaton, the vote concerned the CONTROL OF EU IMMIGRANTS entering the UK. The numbers of NON-EU IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, which are not affected by any EU free-movement rules, exceed the numbers of EU immigrants, yet this government have "failed to control" that immigration just as much as they have "failed to control" EU immigration allegedly, according to their excuse, due to EU rules.

Ah Non-EU immigrants, economic refugees and asylum seekers become what when they arrive in the EU and are registered? According to "the rules" asylum seekers are supposed to stay in the first safe haven they find, but that is not what happens. Angela Merkel opened the German borders stating that all were welcome without having the foggiest clue of the magnitude of the problem she was creating. The two "richest" countries in the EU are Germany and the United Kingdom so where the hell do you think "Non-EU immigrants" would head for? If the UK is part of the EU and has to allow free uncontrolled movement then there is no way you can recover control of the numbers coming in. With the UK out of the EU the fact that the Non-EU immigrants manage by whatever means make it into the EU means that the gain no automatic right of entry into the EU, they also have the Channel to cross and if they cross once they land they can be turned round and deported immediately - the case for being an asylum seeker fleeing from Europe cannot be supported (There are exceptions of course - Julian Assange - who is actually fleeing a criminal charge)


EU immigration will not be reduced by force within the next decade.

Really? So you are saying that by being out of the EU it will, at some time in the future, be reduced - In that case good because it will never stop if we remain in the EU.

"Supply and demand may be a different matter, as ever. The reason is so bleedin' obvious that even you have mentioned it ad nauseam, though always in a terrible context in your case. We do not train people here to do the jobs we need people to do. Without immigrant nurses, for example, the NHS would collapse. Do try to focus."

Very pleased to see that you brought up the NHS. Anytime any leftist does that you know they are losing the argument, they invoke it as the "sacred cow" of all "sacred cows".

Remember Tony Blair's promises regarding the NHS in all three elections that he fought and won? The promises about more doctors, more nurses all to be completed in the course of that particular Parliament. I observed and commented in discussion at the time how patently empty these promises were as there was only one way they could deliver on those promises - qualified doctors and nurses would have to come from elsewhere, because it takes longer than the life of any single Parliament to complete the medical training required. So Steve your point about training places is irrelevant, the money required to do that was used to recruit qualified personnel from abroad.

In other fields the charge that - "We do not train people here to do the jobs we need people to do" - falls apart when you can get ready trained and experienced people from every trade and profession imaginable through the EU free movement of labour, under circumstances that you cannot prevent them from offering their labour. This leaves work that our youngsters are not prepared to do, so others more willing fill those slots. There is also the likes of you and Carroll who disapprove of modern day apprenticeships.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 04:55 AM

Guardian,
"Last night at Pulse, an LGBT nightclub in Orlando, Florida, 50 of our LGBT brothers and sisters were taken from us.

Today, like so many others in my community, I am overcome with a sense of helplessness. I am overcome with the urge to do something, anything, to help the victims and their families. Many in Orlando feel a similar urge. People are lining up to give blood in the wake of the massacre.

But gay and bisexual men who want to give today are encountering an obstacle: the FDA requires a year of celibacy before men who have sex with men can donate blood.

These new rules were put into practice in late 2015. "

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 03:52 AM

Then answer the points Ake.
Simple question
Since you have consistently presented homosexuals as disease-carrying perverts, what do you propose should be done to protect society from them?
Can't be too hard to answer, since you have obviously given the matter a great deal of thought judging by the efforts you have put into maligning them, though I have to say I expect a response to this from you as much as I expect a response from Teribus on his out-of-work "scroungers" and his homeless itinerant job-seekers.
Wait-ing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jul 16 - 03:32 AM

I think you have illustrated my last posts perfectly Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 08:47 PM

"As you well know Jim, the vote concerned the control of numbers of immigrants entering the UK not "getting rid of immigrants","
Fist step only and you know it- within a day your supporters were stopping complete strangers in the street and asking them when they were going back to where they came from.
The %400 percent rise in race hate crimes (which you choose not to comment on, significantly) is an indication of what it was about.
"You are both demented and a disgrace.."
You people are the ones who wish to send back and prevent from coming to Britain, refugees fleeing from wars and social conditions we have helped to instigate - that's what I call, demented and a disgrace, as is your silence on the racism that is already occurring, or the support for forcing immigrants to wear armbands or have their from doors painted red in order to single them out for racist attacks...... and every other squalid racist action you have supported.
Makes being called "demented and a disgrace" a pleasure - it confirms that we are at opposite ends of the human condition.
"If you wish to discuss homosexual health rates,"
No I don't, only to add that anybody who vilifies and makes people with any form of health problems pariahs, as you persistently have, a real sicko.
The world has long moved on - society as a whole no longer regards homosexuality as a sickness (except in the most extreme and intolerant parts of the planet) - you are an anachronism.   
Bring pack chemical castration, eh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 06:46 PM

No, akenaton, the vote concerned the CONTROL OF EU IMMIGRANTS entering the UK. The numbers of NON-EU IMMIGRANTS entering the UK, which are not affected by any EU free-movement rules, exceed the numbers of EU immigrants, yet this government have "failed to control" that immigration just as much as they have "failed to control" EU immigration allegedly, according to their excuse, due to EU rules. Why don't you get real and address the facts just for once. And here's a prediction: EU immigration will not be reduced by force within the next decade. Supply and demand may be a different matter, as ever. The reason is so bleedin' obvious that even you have mentioned it ad nauseam, though always in a terrible context in your case. We do not train people here to do the jobs we need people to do. Without immigrant nurses, for example, the NHS would collapse. Do try to focus.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 06:19 PM

If you wish to discuss homosexual health rates, I refer to your charges of homophobia, open a new thread and any excuse you have for an argument will be demolished in the same manner as you have been dealt with here by Mr T.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 06:11 PM

As you well know Jim, the vote concerned the control of numbers of immigrants entering the UK not "getting rid of immigrants", whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.
The ethnicity of these immigrants is incidental.

You are both demented and a disgrace....congratulations.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 05:41 PM

"Jim do you really think everyone who voted to leave the EU is a racist? "
The ampaign was run on a racist basis - it made neither economic or political sense - it was sold on the basis of getting reid of immigrants.
In the week following the referendum Race hate crimes increased by %400 - what else was it about.
A couple of years ago a survey suggested that one third of those questions held and had openly expressed racist views.
You work it out - or perhaps you are the wrong person to do that.
Your own views are right wing, racist and homophobic in the extreme
You, as all your other fellow Brexists have refused to acknowledge the damage this appalling decision has done - you in fact were the foirst to the top of the dunghill to crow about your great victory - which apparently includes the potential break-up of the UK and the closing of a major source of employment for British workers
Well done, the ***** lot of you.
You will respond to none of this
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 05:31 PM

Do we really need shite like this?

Jim.... " a racist vote is the worst reason in the world for a Government to change its leadership in mid-stream"

Raggytash....."He's probably started a cottage industry making bricks .....   for the gas ovens"


Jim do you really think everyone who voted to leave the EU is a racist?    If so you have lost your grip on reality! If not you are a disgrace.

Raggytash.....if that was supposed to be a joke, it was in very poor taste, but I don't believe it was a joke, more like sheer vindictiveness.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 02:31 PM

Nice one Cyril!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 02:27 PM

Jim, Allow me to answer your last question to Teribus. He's probably started a cottage industry making bricks ..............






.............. for the gas ovens.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 01:03 PM

"praising to the high heavens those who do stating how proud you are of them?"
There's nothing wrong with widening your horizons if that's what you want to or are able to do - that's not where you people stand - you are forcing people to do so by describing those who don't "scroungers".
You continue to ignore requests to square the circle by telling us where these people who are out of work are going to live when they move to where the work is.
"then say it was down in London you experienced unemployment of 25%"
Where did I say it was %25 in London - of course it ******** wasn't - it would have been pointless to look for work where there wasn't any ---- your dyslexia seems to have kicked in again.
Even forty-odd years ago London was the only place in Britain where you could find work with relative ease and even then it took me three weeks of trudging the streets to do - the only period of my life I was out of work and "sponging from my fellow workers" (if you don't count the months I spent looking for work in Liverpool when I left school.
My experience of moving was when was single, when I had no immediate commitments and before Maggie turned homes into commodities when it pas possible to rent somewhere to stop at affordable prices - long gone.
You are inventing contradictions to justify your having claimed they exist, yet you have yet to provide one - no contradictions anywhere.
You have stated that those who put their families first are betraying Britain - you are not only advocating an itinerant work-force but your disgusting suggestion undermines the whole concept of the family.
"they now reckon by 13th July 2016 the new leader will take over"
I have not time for Cameron, but a racist vote is the worst reason in the world for a Government to change its leadership in mid-stream - that is disturbingly undemocratic by anyone's standards.
Not only is the country divided, sharply divided, but the political parties are also divided - what's happening in Labour is little more than a right-wing coup.
One of the things being discussed in Northern Ireland (of all places) is May's declaration that she will withdraw from Britain's commitment to Human Rights - this was even before the referendum.
Now - where is your itinerant work-force going to live and what do you propose should happen to these "spongers" who can't find work?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 12:08 PM

Well Jom how about you banging on about how wrong those are who advocate "getting on their bikes" in order to find work yet praising to the high heavens those who do stating how proud you are of them? I'd say that that is a contradiction.

How about you saying how impossible it is to move from the North to the South East as the cost of accommodation is so high - yet thousands have done it - including yourself. That is a contradiction.

You say that you left the North because unemployment reached 25%, then say it was down in London you experienced unemployment of 25% which one was it? Another contradiction.

Political turmoil eh? Cameron declared his intention to resign as leader of the Conservative Party on the 24th June, 2016 they now reckon by 13th July 2016 the new leader will take over. In roughly the same timespan the Labour Party cannot get its act together to even be able to state with any certainty what names will appear on the ballot paper.

SPB-Cooperator, you wonder what note Osborne will be leaving? Well it certainly will not be - There's no money left,/I> - will it?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 11:39 AM

"What was that note left for the incoming Treasury Secretary (Liberal Democrat David Laws) in the wake of the 2010 election by the departing Labour Treasury Secretary Liam Byrne - There's no money left - wasn't it?"

Note left by Tory Reginald Maudling to his Labour successor James Callaghan in 1964: "Good luck, old cock ... Sorry to leave it in such a mess." - wonder what note Osborne will be leaving?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 10:52 AM

"Naw too much fun just letting you contradict yourself Jom."
Which are? (rhetorical question for which I will receive no answer)
Nah, much better to do a runner again, as you always doi when you dig yourself into the klarts.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 04:52 AM

Naw too much fun just letting you contradict yourself Jom.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 16 - 03:50 AM

Gonna deal with my "inaccuracies" Teribus - no?
Thought not
Sprinting off into the sunset when asked to justify your arguments seems an on-going feature of your technique
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Jul 16 - 02:48 PM

And Labour Governments have created the conditions which enabled workers to find work how?

Wilson and Callaghan didn't do too well.

Blair and Brown did whatever they did off the financial base the country inherited from the Thatcher/Major Governments. What was that note left for the incoming Treasury Secretary (Liberal Democrat David Laws) in the wake of the 2010 election by the departing Labour Treasury Secretary Liam Byrne - There's no money left - wasn't it?

Under Brown's stewardship the country was headed for utter ruin - Brown & Labour's solution borrow more. That is what got them run out of office in 2010. The coalition did a good enough job under difficult circumstances to prevent Labour winning the election in 2015.

In Scotland and in the North Labour MPs and Labour controlled councils have returned time, after time, after time. What good has it done - Bugger All. Hence:

"If that is what you truly believe then WTF have you been doing supporting and for all I know voting Labour for so long??"

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 16 - 06:10 AM

This comment, Tucbale. It seems that your short-term memory is failing you.

JIM: "If a government cannot create conditions in which workers can find work, is it no longer fit for purpose."

YOU: "If that is what you truly believe then WTF have you been doing supporting and for all I know voting Labour for so long??"

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 16 - 05:56 AM

"highly inaccurate "
So inaccurate you are able to refute them and answer all the questions with one mighty bound - not!!!
Feckin eejit!
Jim carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Jul 16 - 05:44 AM

Good heavens Jom it must have taken you at least half-an-hour to wipe down and dry out the screen and keyboard after that spittle-flecked tirade of yours.

How on earth can you expend so many words to say precisely S.F.A. - highly inaccurate S.F.A. at that?

By the way would actually like me to point out precisely how many times you contradict yourself and undermine the very points you are trying to make? Naw on second thoughts best not to - it would spoil the fun.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 16 - 05:40 AM

I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to try and discuss issues in a reasoned manner with Teribus. He has his point of view which I believe he learnt from his "masters" (I really do think that is his mindset)

Anyone showing the smallest degree of compassion for his fellow human being he considers weak and ineffectual.

It is my honest belief that he would have functioned extremely well in places like Treblinka, Chelmno or Auschwitz-Birkenau.

I say this because over the past few weeks his posts have become more and more frenzied, virulent and intemperate.

I would suggest that we leave him to putrify in his own deluded midden.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jul 16 - 04:13 AM

"Well well Jom, never knew that London was in the North of England."
Who said it was - have you added dyslexia to your other talents?
"did you starve? Did you have to live on the streets?"
Did you post this when you got back from the pub last night - you're getting more and more inarticulate?
I left the North of England to find work - I went to London and found work as it was one of the few places in Britain where work was fairly readily available and rented accommodation was reasonably affordable - I found work and somewhere to live.
I worked in London for thirty odd years without a break.
Had I been unable to find work I would not have been "sponging" from anybody had I had to rely on benefiting from the insurance I had paid into throughout my earlier life - drawing unemployment benefit benefit is not "sponging" it is a paid-for right - you Tory moron, it's what I paid my stamp for.
Nowadays, thaanks to the predatory nature of Toryism, accommodation where work is readily available, is affordable, and reasonably-paid and inspiring work is virtually non-existent, again, thanks to the predatory Toryism that has systematically destroyed our industries and has turned places to live into investments.
Blaming youngsters for not "thinking about their futures" is ****** typical of you right-wing morons - what choice or what future are today's youngsters offered in Britain - SFA.
No apprenticeships, no industries to work in, a catering trade that is known for its poor pay and inhospitable hours - or menial, dead-end jobs - if you are lucky, otherwise, an now limited period on the dole.
The now astronomical cost of higher education puts that out of reach of the average working-class family - your Tory alternative =- blame the victim - again.
You bigoted idiots have just slammed the European door shut on our kids in your desire to create a fortress little England.
At least, here in Ireland, the failures of our politicians can be overcome by kids by them working in France, or Germany or wherever... I've met a dozen or so of them over the last week who have come back for the Clancy Summer School, and will be returning to reasonably rewarding jobs all over Europe this morning.
You clowns have made that impossible fro British kids.
I can remember going into bars when we used to use MacColl's holiday home in the borders of Scotland, and seeing beer mats reading "Can't get work? Join the Army" - some vocation eh, training our youth to risk their lives killing the innocent victims of the Blair/Bush wars?
Where is the proof of any of your claims - once again you are attempting to bully and bluster though your own, extremist and outdated opinions?
Did I write that slowly enough for you to understand = if not, try an Underberg - works wonders for a hangover!
If you intend continuing this farrago, I suggest dipping your head in cold water, then try a heavy breakfast.
Sober up before you write in future, then maybe you can answer the questions.
Workhouse - starve or what?
Hostels, sleep in the park or where?
You Tebbitites would return British working people into friggin' itinerant nomads with no homes or rights to raise families if you were let.
Jim Carroll