BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 11:53 AM

Is Calais gearing itself up for a new influx of British refugees paddling unsafe inflatables across the channel to escape the impending civil war...????? 😨

.. I can easily imaging Boris and Gove in natty style dictatorship regime uniforms....

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 11:53 AM

The deciding number come from the wealthy South East - the soft underbelly of Britain

Not true.
London and SE were for remain.
It was the Labour voting North, including Yorkshire, that swung it.
Even those grieving the loss of poor Joe came out for leave.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 11:28 AM

"Not my chickens,just 27% of the population?"
Exactly - doesn't seem fair, does it?
The deciding number come from the wealthy South East - the soft underbelly of Britain
"Morally Juncker owes the UK government nothing,"
"Christian Social People's Party he should be concerned for those of us caught in the middle of it all."
The Americans invented a phrase for it - collateral damage.
Britain does have a right to re-apply for membership, but looking at the list of possible leaders I can't see that happening.
Boris did promise to apologise if things went badly, but I wouldn't hold your breath!
"I know a Mudcatter living in Germany".......
I heard the tearful Dublin- born mother saying that her Enlish born son was "pissing off to live in Germany as there's nothing for me here".
last year there were 30,000 Britis drawing unemployment benefit in the E.U.
Unemployed Britons in richer EU states outnumber claimants from those countries in UK
There's a figure to conjure with.
Brits on the dole in Europe
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 11:21 AM

" he and his mates feel screwed over by their fellow Brits"

Please remind him that nearly as many of us voted against as voted for...

My old mum has been unwell, but she insisted on being helped to walk to the polling station to vote 'REMAIN'...

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 11:18 AM

Vote Boris Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 10:54 AM

Haven't followed the thread.

Been hearing a lot about Brits living and working away and they are pissed off big time. I know a Mudcatter living in Germany and he and his mates feel screwed over by their fellow Brits. I feel for them.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 10:33 AM

What were the most popular etonian excuses for not doing your homework...???? 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 10:11 AM

I wouldn't consider it vindictiveness either. The EU will continue as a body and anyone not connected with it will be a distraction at least. Therefore in order to clear the decks the UK needs to be put out at the earliest possible so that the rest of the Union can continue without interruption.

Perhaps if the OUT campaign has done their homework they can sort out the situation they have created quickly ............... if they have done their homework.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 10:06 AM

Not my chickens,just 27% of the population?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 09:50 AM

The position we are in has nothing to do with democracy, it has not been called in the interests of democracy bur purely as a matter of political expediency on the part of a deeply divided Tory party, backed up by blatant lies, and popularist slogans. All a short time after the Mayor election which didn't allow enough time for local Labour Parties to conduct intensive campaigns - even if we did get a good result in Ealing. We were fed a promise of bread and circuses if the big bad EU wolf was dealt with - the majority of people ignoring the fact that their hardship was brought about by domestic policy.

Morally Juncker owes the UK government nothing, but as a member of the Christian Social People's Party he should be concerned for thoseof us caught in the middle of it all.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 09:01 AM

That is pure vindictivism.

Nope. Its the chickens coming home to roost.

YOUR chickens.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 08:27 AM

That is pure vindictivism
Not really - Farage has proposed same thing
Britain's departure has left the EU with a hell of a lot of pieces to pick up, including the fact that M LePen and her right-wing extreme counterparts from other member states are calling for their countries to pull out (racism is a ticket to State leadership elsewhere apparently).
Why should the EU allow Britain to hang about to sort out its own problems when they have enough on their own plates.
Reminds me of the old fridge magnet parents used to put up aimed at theirtruculent offspring reading, "why not piss off and see the world know while you still know everything?"
We (or the more privileged or lumpen among us) have made our beds - we really are on our own - let's live with it.
I say that as a former British taxpayer who has seen his already pathetic state pension devalued over the last 24 hours - luckily we have no kids seeking employment over here or back home.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 07:11 AM

Lstest on the news - as far the EU founders are concerned, they want to now bulldoze UK out of EU as fast as possible. That is pure vindictivism.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 06:29 AM

Last link didn't work out
Try these
Or these
Or maybe these
You seem to have come terms with the break-up of the United Kingdom
If Scotland and Ireland go - Wales!!!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 05:48 AM

Hmmmmm I thought I'd linked to the past month but yesterdays figures are there for all to see. Like I said make your own mind up.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 05:43 AM

"
Nope - he voluntarily offered his resignation,"
He was left with no alternative in the circumstances a concept totally foreign to an archetypal rightist goosestepper like Terubus.
"Are they? Name them. "
You've had one of them
Northern Irish firms almost universally are now demanding that they be allowed to stay with the E.U. and continue to reap the benefits - if their opting out of the United Kingdom, so be it.
"And? The criteria for any referendum on the status of Northern Ireland are clear and agreed."
And, as with Scotland, a distinct possiblity -leading to the possible break up of The United Kingdom (made the front page of this morning's Times).
this for a start my little jackbooted friend
And these
http://www.search.ask.com/web?l=dis&q=British+investments+in+Europe&o=APN10644A&apn_dtid=^BND533^YY^IE&shad=s_0048&gct=hp&apn_ptnrs=^AG5&d=533-289&lang=en&atb=sysid%3D533%3Aappid%3D289%3Auid%3D0a42db3121ef0199%3Auc2%3D818%3Atypekbn%3D1.1%3Asrc%3Dhmp%3Ao%3DAPN10644A%3Atg%3D&p2=^AG5^BND533^YY^IE
Did you really ask that?
The threayt of Boris the Clit and Farrago speaks for itself
"We are talking about 'fair controls of immigration'"
Come people are - others like Ukip are talking about foreigners per se
We need to be talking of our responsibilities to people fleeing from wars and economic conditions we have helped to cause ant to our responsibility as human beings to people in dire trouble.
If the world had responded to the plight of the Jews in the 1930s as Britain is responding to the refugee crisis now, the death toll would have been far higher than six million
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 05:34 AM

FTSE 100 for the last month


Make your own mind up

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 04:54 AM

NI may seek independence from UK!
That alone would make the whole thing worthwhile!

"Business world reacts as FTSE 100 finishes the week up more than 2pc after recovering from 8.7pc drop
Telegraph.co.uk‎ - 4 mins ago"

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 04:38 AM

We need to think now of not will or won't happen, but what can happen. We have now voted away our right of protection from repressive legislation and that is frightening.   Do we really think it is a good idea to allow a parliament the power to reintroduce capital punishment - some may say that is a good thing, but is it worth the risk of a jury of decent people to find people like Huntly not guilty purely on the principle that killing is wrong, even if it is state sanctioned? Then what happens if a future, right wing government extends the scope for executions, say for 'enemies of the state'. It can happen, it has happened.

We are talking about 'fair controls of immigration'. We will not be bound by any treaties which means a future government could start a programme of deportations and interment of its 'undesirables'.

When people talk about regaining our freedom, what they do not realise is they have just surrenders our protections that are inherent in treaties that have being created through concensus and through our own involvement.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 04:20 AM

My currency exchange company is now offering 1.228 Euro to the pound. Down from 1.30 Euro on Wednesday.(These figures are AFTER commission is deducted)

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 04:14 AM

"We should not even think of invoking article 50"
Seems like yesterdays vote was somewhat of a fait accompli - we are where we are and can make no demands as to how we should be treated as non-members.
No country in its right mind is going to allow free border access to a competition nation - why should it, it was a perk of membership.
The same with employment
The vote went as it did yesterday in order to close Britain's borders - "unelected bureaucrats, democracy, taking our own decisions..." and the rest of it, had nothing to do with our withdrawal other than to be used as election slogans - Europe in no more undemocratic, bureaucratic and dependent as is our own Parliamentary system - we elect our representatives on the basis of promises they have no intention of keeping, they reign supreme for a set period serving their own interests, then we go through the motions again... ad infinitum.
Both Europe and the British Parliamentary system are flawed and in need of repair or even replacement, but ditancing yourself from either is an act of madness.
Yesterday was about a number of otherwise unelectable politicians seeking election - Jonson is talking like the next Prime Minister and Farage is behaving as if serious people take him seriously - and the country is heading for hell in a handcart.
Great Britain as a United Kingdom is next in the firing line, I have no doubt that many Tories who no longer have a presence in Scotland would be glad to see the back of it and as for those **** Irish....
Little England, here we come
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 03:59 AM

I note that the Leave camp has already started to renege on it's promises. The £350 million promised to the NHS on their battlebus will not be forthcoming, according to Nigel Farage.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 03:54 AM

"In one day the British economy has taken a nosedive, the elected Prime Minister has been forced to resign, billions have been lost on the stock exchange, firms are now considering moving to the continent leaving thousands of unemployed in their wake, Scotland has demanded an Independence referendum, a border poll to find whether the Northern six counties should leave the Union has been mooted, the value of Sterling has bombed, Britain's investment in Europe is under threat and the leadership of the nation has been handed to two racist brain-deads, Johnson and Farage"

Shall we see how much of the above our archetypal leftist wanker got wrong - it really is quite impressive

1: The British economy has taken a nosedive

Nope - in the course of yesterday the FTSE dropped less than 3% overall - it stands exactly where it did last February.

2: "the elected Prime Minister has been forced to resign"

Nope - he voluntarily offered his resignation, to some that is known as taking responsibility for ones actions - a concept totally foreign to an archetypal leftist wanker like Jim.

3: "billions have been lost on the stock exchange"

Nothing has been lost that cannot be recovered, currency fluctuates and the price of shares rise and fall.

4: "firms are now considering moving to the continent leaving thousands of unemployed in their wake"

Are they? Name them. I dare say that once the negotiations start there may be some adjustments, but that will do little to dent the City of London as one of the world's leading financial centres.

5: "Scotland has demanded an Independence referendum"

No it hasn't. Sturgeon has said that they are considering it, but I do not think that will consider it for very long. The SNP have painted themselves into a corner. Should they go for a second indy referendum they will surely lose it as:

- Scotland will be out of the EU and will have to apply for membership
- Scotland out of the UK would have to either create it's own currency or accept one that it had absolutely no control over.
- Scotland would have to budget on running the country on the current low price of oil per barrel (Their sums didn't add up when it stood at $90 per barrel it currently stands at about one-third of that)
- Scotland's main trading partner is the UK (If separation from the EU harms British trade, then it follows that separation from the UK will harm Scotland's)

If a second independence referendum is lost then that will be that issue dead and buried.

6: "a border poll to find whether the Northern six counties should leave the Union has been mooted"

And? The criteria for any referendum on the status of Northern Ireland are clear and agreed.

7: "the value of Sterling has bombed"

Oh hardly, I have seen it worse and it stands a damned sight better chance of recovery than the Euro, if you consider that both currencies dropped and that falls on European stock markets were bigger than in the UK.

8: "Britain's investment in Europe is under threat"

Now what investment would that be Jim?

9: "the leadership of the nation has been handed to two racist brain-deads, Johnson and Farage"

As far as I am aware Jim the leadership of the nation remains the same today as it was last Wednesday - you could of course attempt in your own spittle-flecked multi-coloured ranting manner to prove me wrong but you'd be on a hiding to nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Jun 16 - 01:28 AM

Watching the news today, it appears that Juncker is calling for the rest of the EU to take a hard line against UK.

We should not even think of invoking article 50 until there are terms on the table that 100% protect the rights of UK citizens for freedom to live, move, work across the EU, AND VICE VERSA, for continued access to the single market to protect present and future jobs in the UK, 100% guarantee that there will be no trade tariffs, ever, that the interests of the people of the UK be consulted on all future EU decisions. Once all this is in place, then, and only then should we start any formal process.

I am currently an EU member, and I am disgusted that I am not being represented in the talks the rest of the EU are having, especially as this will have an impact on the rest of my life.

Also, any agreement must include UK continuing to pay into EU to ensure that it continues its work in leveling the playing field for the less prosperous states.

The agreement must also bind the UK to pick up the tab for EU's contribution of development and structural funding etc to be spent according to EU rules.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:01 PM

Assertions are not proof.

And I am about to go to bed.

Sweet dreams.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:56 PM

The UK continues to be subject to undemocratic, inflexible and corrupt rule. The DIY kind.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:56 PM

Assertions are not proof.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:45 PM

"Assertions are not proof."
The proof is in the pudding - it's been in the oven all day.
You people have not responded to any of the consequences that have taken place since the result was announced.
Prrof of gross dishonesty, if you like.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:28 PM

Greg F
Assertions are not proof.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:16 PM

Two contrasting Monty Python scenarios TO COME;

I'm free, I'm free I'm a big boy now I'm free !

or

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:11 PM

The UK is free from undemocratic, inflexible and corrupt European rule.

One small problem, Sunshine.

The UK was never subject to undemocratic, inflexible and corrupt European rule.

As Boris Trumpshit would say: Make Britain Great Again?

Gimmie shelter.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:07 PM

"so are we all thick shits?"
No - only the racist bigots - especially the self-confessed ones.
An on-the spot survey announced today that the majority of those who were questioned and said they supported exit were under-educated - 'lumpen' is the old term.
In one day the British economy has taken a nosedive, the elected Prime Minister has been forced to resign, billions have been lost on the stock exchange, firms are now considering moving to the continent leaving thousands of unemployed in their wake, Scotland has demanded an Independence referendum, a border poll to find whether the Northern six counties should leave the Union has been mooted, the value of Sterling has bombed, Britain's investment in Europe is under threat and the leadership of the nation has been handed to two racist brain-deads, Johnson and Farage - on a plate -and all because 'the lady doesn't love..... Johnny Foreigner '
Don't know about "all", but people who support what has happened today are "thick shits" - they certainly have no regard for Britain and the people who live there.
Didn't think I would ever have lived to see Britain degraded to this level in my lifetime - especially by those claiming to have the interests of the country at heart.
Patriots - I've shit 'em!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 07:48 PM

The last laugh could be on the very people on the right who are gloating.

For millions of people who streamed out to vote Leave from poverty stricken estates and in devastated towns this was seen as their chance to kick the government they loathed, and which most people loathe. ( elected by one in four of tye electorate, and acting like it had some massive vote of confidence behind it).

These were peole who had given up on voting years ago, or never voted in their lives. The structure of the referendum they knew that their vote counted for once.

Those on the left who voted In were collateral damage, as was tge economy.

But now the distraction of immigration controls is no more. This is the chance for a populist movement of the repressed and exploited analogous to Podemos in Spain. The old rule book is torn up.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Brian May
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 07:30 PM

Stanron

Go for it, you're not alone. It's almost worth it just to see so many self-righteous posters stuffed.

Fact is, the future won't be easy, but tell me it was when we were looking at having to absorb the worst excesses of EU rule?

I'm proud to be a 'racist bigot' that had the audacity to stick up for my Britain - like over 30 million others.

In Yorkshire the average vote was 70% to leave - so are we all thick shits?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 07:16 PM

"Can somebody please put the above into recognisable and understandable English"
Wjat you can#'t answer you don't understand - nothing new under the sun Nige
Typed in a hurry but perfectly understandable to those who wish to.
"Good heavens Jim just when I thought that you couldn't be thicker "
More insulting shit and no answers.
"under-carriage and engines for the Airbus?"
Wheee - all th unemployed can go and work on Airbus""""
Crassness in the extreme.
What is all this about - from the moment Britain leaves Europe we will no longer have free access across borders
Checkmate, I believe
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:38 PM

Worthy Oriental Gentlemen are not referenced. The UK is free from undemocratic, inflexible and corrupt European rule. Hooray.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:34 PM

Free from what? Wogs?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:18 PM

Whoopee the UK is free. So how long will it take? According to Article (I can't remember, is it 50?) of the Lisbon (?) Treaty It takes two years. Extensions are possible. Do we still keep coughing up the money during that time? I've heard the view that from today onward we have no 'seat at the table' so if this is so why should we pay?
Anyway I'm glad to say I lived to see Independence Day.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:15 PM

Good heavens Jim just when I thought that you couldn't be thicker you go and prove me wrong by demonstrating something else that you are prepared to argue about without having the vaguest knowledge oor understanding of the subject.

By the way Jim which firm in Ireland is going to make the wings, under-carriage and engines for the Airbus?

How exactly are the Germans going to force other countries to purchase the cars that Germany will no longer be selling to British customers?

Ireland's biggest trading partner in the EU is?? The UK. Whoops Jim where is Ireland going to find an alternate market to sell all the stuff currently exported to the UK? And how are they going to get them to their new customers? Can't go through the UK now can they (According to your idiotic take on events).

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:13 PM

So what exactly is the purpose of Farrage and UKIP now?

They'll likely start a "Britons For Trump" organisation.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:11 PM

The late, great, philosopher Marx {GROUCHO] had two quotations which are relevant to this situation:

I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me in it.

and,


Whatever it is, [if Trump in in favor of it] I'm against it.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:08 PM

It means that far fewer than half of the people registered to vote voted to leave. Anyone remember when Maggie tried to insist that no union could call a strike unless there was a two-thirds majority of ALL MEMBERS in favour? 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:54 PM

Um, all the referendum means is there is a known preference, right?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 04:39 PM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:23 PM

"The bit in bold there is the statement that has been rebutted by Morgan Stanley"
Doublspeak
"Some massive and extremely pessimistic assumptions there "
Nope - they've been discussing placing the borders back in place all day here.
The closure of borders to British firms has been a topic of discussion here all day,
Why should British firms have free passage over foreign countries - it has just removed itself from the only reason it has been able to.
"during which time things will be put in place to the mutual satisfaction of all parties."
Who says and why should countries assist a competitor?
The only reason for this decision to have been pushed through by the wealthy and privileged bit of Little England is the one touted by the Brexits from day one - to get rid of Johnny Foreigner.
I see you fail to commnt on the immediate damage done already - resignation of head of state, threat to peace process, possible break-up of Britain, immediate economic crash, (27 to the tune of 137bn.....
Sneak past the awkward bits, as usual
It's turned out to be a catastrophe on the first day - what can happen in a week, never mind two years?
Jim Carroll

Can somebody please put the above into recognisable and understandable English, so that I can try to put reasoned responses to it?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 02:44 PM

So what exactly is the purpose of Farrage and UKIP now..???

surely they can close up shop and bugger off on an extended holiday...

.. of course if he chooses a European destination, he'll have to make certain he can still use
a European Health Insurance Card (EHIC).....????? 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 02:08 PM

"Away you. It's only the head of Government, "
Semantics Mike - you know very well what I mean - same on you
Maybe I should have said the elected head of Britain as destinct from the figurehead - there, does that make it any better?
I usually expect this level of argument from Teribus and the like!!
"BECAUSE THEY SELL MORE TO US THAN WE SELL TO THEM."
And they can equally buy and sell elsewhere.
Free passage across Europe came with membership of the Union and will disappear with Britain's resignation - or do you suggest that European countries will open their borders to everybody they buy from and sell to - give us a break - not even you.....
No country ig going to give free passage to business of a foreign power which are competitors of thei home grown ones - are you maD?
The question of Britain now facing closed borders has been discussed all day - do you have any examples of contrary discussion taking place
I don't know why I bother to ask - just another make-it-up as-you-go-along kite flyings.
"If they do as you suggest they primarily harm themselves "
No they won't, why should they
Ireland was discussing the possible benefits to firms who would pick up the trade Britain has walked away from by leaving.
One of the panic issues being discussed at the moment is the possible damage done to the economy of Northern Ireland and the need for a border referendum.
Nicola Sturgeon has just demanded a fresh referendum on Scotish Independence.
Have just watched Johnson strutting his stuff and looking for all the world like a Prime Minister in waiting and Farrage talking about what "we" have to do to get Britain back on its feet.
I don't think I have seen a day where a single piece of news has taken up so much attention since 9-11
You rightist clowns have a lot to answer for.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 02:08 PM

As this referendum demonstrated, when it comes to the crunch, people are sometimes in fact less likely to put economic issues first, rather than other things. I can see that applying in a Scottish referendum. Scotland voted fairly decisively for Remain, more so than England voted for Brexit, and now the English choice is to be imposed on them.

That's the kind of thing that can marginalize the economic arguments. "No way!"

David Cammeron must bitterly regret he rejected out of hand the call by politicians in the rest of the UK that the decision to get out would only apply if all four partners voted for it. If he'd accepted that he'd be home safe, with Scotland and Northern Ireland on his side.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 01:57 PM

Trump's enthusiastic response is embarrassing for most Brexiters

Not at all - they're two sides of the same coin.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: olddude
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 01:01 PM

Wow, did you guys tank my stocks here in the states.. But I still love ya.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:41 PM

"damage done already - resignation of head of state"
.,,.
What! The Queen has abdicated? Away you. It's only the head of Government, who has said he will hand over to someone else within 3 months.

Sorry if this appears pedantic; but alarmist talk is the last thing anyone needs imo.

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