BS: Should women be chained to the stove?

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Apr 01 - 11:23 AM

HEY Y'ALL

CONTINUED AT BS: CHAIN THEM WOMEN - AGAIN

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 20 Apr 01 - 10:29 AM

JohnP: I guess I put up with it because if I mention the unbalance in our jobs around the house I get the "eyes rolling, I'm being hen-pecked" attitude from him. He DOES do the yardwork and help with the kids but I'm pretty much the cook-grocer-clothes washer-house cleaner-bill payer. He's one of those "just let me know if you want me to do anything" types. He has to be asked to do anything around the house. For some unknown reason to me, he can't see if something is dirty and needs cleaning. He has to wait for me to tell him to clean it. But to give him credit he's great with the kids (just not much of a role model, in MY opinion)!
Guest,MattR: let me see if I can find a chain that will hold more than one person. ;-]

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 20 Apr 01 - 08:38 AM

If she's getting chained to the stove, I wanted be chained to it too!!

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: John P
Date: 20 Apr 01 - 08:34 AM

Guest Karen said:
"I guess I was really wondering because my husband is pretty much the same. I'm expected to cook for the four of us when I get home from work. If I'm too tired he'll at least fix a meal for himself and the kids but NEVER for me!"

Karen, who cares about some jerk at work? Why do you put up with this kind of shit in your home? You need to do some serious negotiation with the neandethal you married. If he won't play along, go on strike. Cook for yourself and the kids and let him fend for himself. I could understand it if you have some system worked out where he does other chores and you do the cooking, but you don't say that's the case. And to cook for himself and the kids but not for you is the action of a petty bully.

John Peekstok

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Apr 01 - 06:13 AM

That certainly seems a healthier attitude, Firecat. Sorry if I misread you.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 20 Apr 01 - 06:02 AM

While in Wales over the Easter break we saw 2 cards on the same theme. One had a picture of an iron, one of a vaccum cleaner. They were headed: "A quiz for Welsh men" followed by:1)What is this?; 2) Where is it kept? ;3)What is it used for.
Herself bought one to send to a work colleague who is married to a stereotypical Welsh rugby-playing MCP.
She also bought one where the husband says to the wife: "Let's change roles tonight" and the wife replies: "Great, you do the ironing and I'll sit on the couch watching the tv and farting". (I have a feeling I'm going to get that one!)
RtS

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: clansfolk
Date: 20 Apr 01 - 05:40 AM

We share the house work - Eileen cooks - I eat I make a mess - Eileen cleans it up - It works for me.

A friend went to the Doctor the other day said "I'm worried about the wife - I think she's dead"

What makes you think that said the doctor - my friend replied - "the sex is the same but the washing's piling up"!

NB JOKE!!!!! - I wash, cook, shop and snore. Pete

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Peg
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:03 PM

well, Amergin, I dunno if that is a compliment or not...:)

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:00 PM

Peg, maybe he's just jealous because you're prettier than he is...*BG*

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Firecat
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 08:51 PM

mousethief, when I said that I didn't mean I was going to force him! I meant we'd have an agreement. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Peg
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 08:42 PM

Alex, explain to me why you feel the need to insert my name and insult me in a thread I have not even participated in.

Feel free to explain this behavior.

(Sorry everyone else, really)

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 07:30 PM

Dirty minds? No mousethief, just testosterone at work.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:49 PM

I meant as President. Sheesh. Buncha dirty minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:48 PM

A woman's 'place' is where she goes at the end of a night on the ale!

A woman's place is certainly not at the Oval Office, at least not without a chaperone!!

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:48 PM

Please can I stay home and cook and clean.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:47 PM

Same as all politicians, screw us.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:44 PM

yeah, but what is she supposed to be doing in the Oval Office?

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:41 PM

A woman's place is in the House.
or the Senate,
or perhaps the Cabinet.
Or the Oval Office.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:31 PM

No
& I won't even quote Alexander Pope on a woman's place

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,#1
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:26 PM

I thought this thread started out so low that it couldn't do down much further. Was I ever wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:08 PM

Why chained? Just ask us nicely, and we might do it willingly, but it's your turn next time! The rules are simple...
Come on girls, burn your Aga's!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:02 PM

[APPLAUSE]

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 05:02 PM

Boy, Molly, for some one getting to be the ripe old age of 26 you sure are getting picky....

Subject: LYR ADD
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 04:27 PM

Here's a contribution to the debate from my 83 year old mother, who's a great cook and artist, and provides empathy and a role model to younger women:

I'm Gonna Shove You on the Back Burner of My Heart
(By Edith Doughty, Dahlov Ipcar and Sheila Ritter, one Sunday morning in the kitchen, 1977)

Chorus:

I'm gonna shove you on the back burner, baby, and turn the flame way down; (3X)
I'm gonna shove you on the back burner, baby, and let you simmer down.

You came on pretty strong, darlin', but our love's been watered down;(3X)
If you don't start behavin', baby, I'm gonna throw you to the hounds.

My dishes are all washed up, baby; I'm sweeping my kitchen clean; (3X)
Don't need no man around these parts when he's treatin' me so mean.

You've been a good piece of meat, baby, but now you're goin' bad; (3X)
What I need is more spice in my life; it's what I've always had.

You've dumped on me long enough, dumplin'; you don't smell good to me no more; (3X)
I'm gonna dump you in the garbage can, and throw you out the door.

You got me all stirred up, baby; so just sit there and stew; (3X)
You're an OK meat and potatoes man but I think I'm through with you.

Got just enough chili in my cupboard to spice another pot; (3X)
When I get that cooked up, baby, it'll be good and hot.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: DougR
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 04:12 PM

Uh, Joe, does she have an older sister?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:52 PM

Yup.... if you love something, set it free. If it cooks for you, it is yours. If it doesn't, it never was.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:35 PM

What IS wrong is the holy indignation at someone who dares to not think/live/act the way YOU do!

Dammit, Clinton, I'm not supposed to agree with you. Peg said so. But here I am, agreeing with you again! CUT THAT OUT!

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:31 PM

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:23 PM

Have I got a guy for you. Hey, Homeless, c'mere !

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,Karen
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 03:04 PM

My husband made any effort to cook I would eat whatever he put in front of me without complaint! Pineapple meatloaf sounds great to me!

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:55 PM

Homeless said... Now that I'm on my own again... I suspect you were complimented on the pineapple meatloaf and you misconstrued the compliment as a request instead of the mannerly convention it was. Pineapple meatloaf !? Do you make it for yourself now ?

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Homeless
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:43 PM

It depends on the kind of stove. You should never chain a woman to a wood stove, because then she can't get outside to split the wood.

My ex and I had an arrangement for cooking. She was a stay-at-home mom, but didn't particularly like to cook. I love being creative in the kitchen, but didn't have time because of work. So if it was food just for the purpose of sustanence, she would cook. If it was a meal to be enjoyed for itself (usually on weekends) I would cook. Pineapple meatloaf was one of my oft requested creations.
Whoever was cooking at the time had ownership of the kitchen and everyone else had to stay out. We each had our own set of kitchen tools - mine were wood, glass, cast iron and ceramic; hers were plastic, acrylic, stainless steel, and enameled.

Now that I'm on my own again I don't cook much at all. Dinner For One just isn't very enjoyable, so the time spent cooking isn't worth it. And I just found a great French Provincial cookbook at the library book sale the other day. (sigh)

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:42 PM

I recall seeing a TV program from a British... excuse me, English... university where a debate was taking place with Gloria as the honoured guest debater. At one point, she said something to the effect of, "Little girls and boys first notice the difference between the sexes when at a family outing in the countryside, little Johnny pees at the edge of the woods without having to squat down." At this point, from the gallery, came the question, "Is that why they call them picnicers ?"

Well, I thought it was funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: harpmolly
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:34 PM

Don't get any ideas, Amergin. *grin*

Unless you're planning on cooking me a Genoa-style seven course meal. In which case, we'll talk. ;)

M

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:32 PM

Good LORD !!!! That's got to be a top ten contender. You ARE good, Amergin. Please don't take offense, Mollificent. It just struck me funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:32 PM

someone should slap Gloria Steinem

Best suggestion I've heard all day!

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:29 PM

Firecat,

I'm gonna make my husband do half the housework

If you have to -- or try to -- MAKE him do anything, your relationship is heading for trouble.

Why people think they should be able to force one another to do anything just blows me away.

Are we not all free agents? Are we not all human beings? Coercion is for dogs that eat your roses or piss on your petunias. Not for people trying to build a shared life together for the long haul.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:28 PM

No just men from Idaho....

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:24 PM

Potatoes ? You mean you have a preference for Irish men ?

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: harpmolly
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 02:19 PM

LOL annamill...

I've gotta find me a gourmet chef who likes short women. And potatoes. :)

M

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: annamill
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:47 PM

My daughter and I were discussing this very thing this weekend and we decided that someone should slap Gloria Steinem(sp).

Ahh.. back to the days when we could just sit at home next to the pool during the day, watching the housekeeper clean, only to have to get up at 5pm and go into the kitchen for some creative cookery. My Grandson asked where all the money would come from and we told him he would have to provide it. That was the law! He had to go out and go to work to provide everything for the women and children.

He laughed at us! Can you imagine?

;-)

Love, (from work) annamill

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:33 PM

Well, Molly, sounds like your roommates are pretty smart......

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: harpmolly
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:15 PM

Well, my roommates have practically taken out a restraining order to prevent me entering the kitchen (the permanent aroma of frozen tater tots and the frequent smoke alarm incidents have convinced them I'm not to be trusted with burner access).

I can make a cup of tea without setting the house on fire.

Just barely.

Thank God my best friend loves to cook fabulous healthy exotic dishes. Thank God, also, for Survivor and the X-Files. Thanks to the convergence of those two circumstances, I'm usually guaranteed a healthy home-cooked meal at least twice a week. I usually chip in by bringing over a key ingredient, a bottle of wine, or something of equal value. :)

Chain me to the stove, go on. if you *like* seeing the skyline in flames. *grin*

M

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Hyperabid
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:10 PM

Personally I like to cook and have yet to find a chain long enough to stretch from the kitchen to the bedroom anyway...;oP

Hyper

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Firecat
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:04 PM

BTW, Gervase, how do you know I'm feisty?! :-))

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Firecat
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 01:03 PM

Gervase, he's put up with me for over four years so I think he might do!

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Morticia
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 12:56 PM

Well, what Gomez can do to any innocent item in the food chain defies description and is definitely outlawed by the Geneva Convention!I cook in self-defence! He is completely uninterested in food except as a fuel and I can spend four minutes, four hours or four days in the kitchen, it matters not one iota to him.....nor could he reliably tell the diference.Pity really,as it's one of the few things I do quite well. Heaven help me if I stain his pristine work surfaces though, he cleans like a demon!

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Bert
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:53 AM

Any time Sorchameluv, bring the silken chains with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: GUEST,Patrish
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 11:48 AM

can't quite reach the keyboard that easily........need a longer chain.

As for cooking - I love it - I just wish I didn't have to tidy up as well - I need a kitchen boy, any offers

Patrish

Subject: RE: BS: Should women be chained to the stove?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 01 - 10:46 AM

Which stove are we talkin' about here? If it's Al Patterson's stove, no! Al lives in New Jersey and he has a really small place, and there are already enough women in New Jersey anyway. Besides, Al doesn't really get along with most women either. It's a stupid idea.

Actually, I'm happy to do at least half the cooking. I like cooking.

- LH