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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST Date: 28 Jul 01 - 11:09 AM YOU brought this issue to the Forum, YOU have attacked Susan in the Forum rightly or wrongly, and YOU have now taken to publicizing PM's. I don't disagree with you that she should take you off her list but the fact remains, no matter how right as asshole is, he is still an asshole... PAH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 10:50 AM To everyone else who has developed an interest in the proceedings everything up to ~S~ was a PM from herself. Why does she not understand that I want NO 'Private' E-mails from her? That means NONE What part of that word does she not understand? B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 10:44 AM FYI-- People who know me well know that your characterizations of me are inaccurate and deliberately offensive. I do not respond to attacks in the forum, and I do not respond to blackmail either in any venue. That is why my response to you in the thread focused on the technical problem you raised in the forum, and why my continuing discussion of the technical problem occurred in the help forum, not in the thread you started. Perhaps you had been unaware of the following: Subject: RE: Help... From: WYSIWYG, to All Volunteers Date: 27-Jul-01 - 04:25 AM This is in followup to Brendy's remark in his thread about a "sirc" virus he is associating with the arrival of an e-mail from me. According to my system info, my system is protected against: W32.Sircam.Worm@mm If you know of a more recent SIRCAM virus against which I may not be protected, please let me know. If YOU are protected from another SIRCAM virus against which I am not protected, and your system alerted you on a message I sent you, please let me know. I am also protected from: Js.KakWorm.D, Js.KakWorm.E@M, Js.KakWorm.F, G, and H, Js.KakWorm.Variant, and Js.KakWorm.Z. If you have greater protection from the KAK viruses, and were alerted upon receiving my message, please let me know. ~Susan Post - Top - Forum Home -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Help... From: WYS Cont'd Date: 27-Jul-01 - 04:30 AM ... and this is in followup to Joe's post: I am also protected from: W32.Magistr.24876@mm I did not HAVE the virus and then send a mail... and I will not respond further in Brendy's thread. ~Susan There are no system administration changes planned at my end until our return from vacation in mid-August. Until then your e-mail address, along with others of people who have harrassed me or otherwise harmed me, will remain in my address book because that is where I keep addresses. I will however restore the settings inadvertently lost in a recent system upgrade, which had placed these addresses in a "do not mail" folder, if there is time before we depart. I had not been aware these had been lost until you raised the issue. There are no bulk mails planned before our departure. I document all communications to and from you, as I do with anyone who has harrassed, harmed, or threatened me. Therefore when I have made these changes and any others affecting your address, I will inform you via e-mail, return receipt requested, and send a copy to Joe Offer. I am copying Joe on this message as well. ~S~ Don't inform me via E-mail, and I'll be getting back to your admin. Remember the old 56K days?
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 10:34 AM "I imagine you have already tried to sort this out privately by PM" That is precisely the point, Noreen. What would you do? B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Noreen Date: 28 Jul 01 - 09:55 AM Brendy, by posting this thread you have made public your dispute with Susan, so it is rather unfair of you to criticise others for getting involved. I imagine you have already tried to sort this out privately by PM, in which case I understand the thread, but others do tend to get drawn in- as they would to a fight in a public place in the real world- though why they should want to I don't know. There does seem to be an easy solution to this, Susan? |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: alison Date: 28 Jul 01 - 08:44 AM this is just stupid... the deal is obviously not about viruses.... if Brendy or someone else asks to be removed from an mailing list (Praise's or anyone elses)... then the person they have asked should remove them..... please take him off the list and let him know that you have done so...... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 06:35 AM Thanks, Kevin...we did 'Eyelids...' Of course you can do the block sender bit and create all sorts of rules, etc. I just don't see why me performing that action makes the fact that she can send it in the first place, acceptable. I don't want to draw you into this, or anything, Kevin, but the person in question intimated to me by other ways...which can be documented... that stopping E-mailing me is the last thing on her mind. The last time I made that statement, one of our number called me a liar, which was later recanted via PM. That's not a nice thing to do in any man's language, is malicious, and shows a decidedly un Christian bent in a person. B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Jul 01 - 05:49 AM Well I'm glad Brendy didn't run into the elk family. When I'm in a temper it screws up my driving. But I can't see why it matters whose address book you are in if you can click the Block Sender option and the missives won't get through anyway.
But then I don't understand this stuff. I've never got round to using the "send mail to group" thing myself anyway. I prefer the one to one approach. Though you sometimes get some good jokes from group mailings.
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 04:02 AM Look, Hesperis, et al. The virus is not the problem. My mail gets scanned elsewhere....the virus goes straight to quarantine. Zone alarm Pro automatically renames the file extension, and thank goodness, I have yet to be infected. Live Update does its' thing in the background, and although tracing the odd 'ping' and 'blocked ICMP ' something or other at certain times of the day, and night can yield some quite curious results, life in cyberland has been unaffected. The virus thing is a pain in the arse, alright, but I actually wouldn't hold too many people accountable for that kind of thing, neither..cos shit happens, sometimes. But this is not the first time I have asked Praise to stop sending me stupid messages, in some godawful font. And it's not the first time she's refused. "If you knew Susie, like I knew Susie..." |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: hesperis Date: 28 Jul 01 - 03:47 AM WYSIWYG - if you automatically save sent messages to a certain folder, you can look in the folder to see what messages you have sent. I don't know if viruses could turn it off or anything though. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 28 Jul 01 - 03:08 AM I think that this latest round of virus infection should make us all limit OE address book to the people we regularly deal with and not include everyone we have ever had an email from. Some people don't have antivirus running (my boss for one tight sod) and would be devastated if their system crashed due to an email they sent to someone years back (which added their name to an address book). I don't like receiving blanket mailings that were not meant for me either and in OE you can create groups for this purpose rather than mailing to the entire address book. That said I would like to be asked before being included in anyones private mudcat or any other list, that way this kind of argument would never start What ever you think of Brendys way of putting his case it is a valid point and could have been sorted out long ago by a simple response saying that the email address had been removed from susans address book. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 02:08 AM Melani. I am only like this with people who show equal disregard for the sensitivities of others. I think you will find...if you do a search on my User Name (a feat well-nigh impossible when you want to check out what Praise has contributed), that I save my sharp 'tongue' for those people who cross certain boundaries with me. One subject you will never 'hear' me 'raise my voice' in, is the subject that originally brings me here. And that is music. Support the oppression of ANY people in ANY part of the world, and you're not my 'kind of guy' Pontification on subjects that fall into the 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing - but I think it's kewl, so I'll say it, anyway' category also gets up my nose. Attacking any of my friends on the Forum (and they themselves know who they are), well, you also go down in my estimation. So if you were Praise, you would (just out of spite, mind you), deliberately NOT remove me from your mail listings...well what would that say about you, then? I can't remember you and I ever engaging in argument. But, Melani. I wouldn't do that; my mind doesn't work that way, and it pisses me off that people who invoke Christianity at every turn, would, and do, show an amazing lack of it when it comes to putting it into practice. I do not want to belong to the 'Click Here and be Saved' mailing list. If you knew anything about my background, you would know that I have had religion, and all its' attendant miseries up to my back teeth. I don't want anything to do with religion. It divides and conquers, and affronts my sensitivities, big time. I don't go marching into other peoples' areas, I have no desire to control anything except my own particular scene. I don't get in peoples' faces, and tell them what they should be doing. I leave people alone. I'm actually a fairly laid back enough oul bloke when it comes down to it; the kind of fella that would get into something like driving back through the night just to see the sunrise, instead of flying back with the rest of the lads, the next afternoon. But, see when I see the little narrow minds (a trait, incidentally, that is not prevelant amongst most musicians), and the little wind-up merchants cybernetically pulling the wings off flies, I get pissed off, and I write the way I talk in situations like that. Most working class kids in Ireland, England, Scotland, and Wales would not be shocked at such utterences. Call it a cultural thing if you want, but if somebody wants to get into my face about something, I'm afraid that they lose control of any part of the situation, there and then. "If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime" Or..."You get in my face...you take what I give you" Not that kind of guy, I'm afraid, Melani. I want off her mailing list, and I can't for the life of me figure out why this is such a problem. Any other 'normal' mail has an 'UnSubscribe' line in it. Are we to be at the spamming mercy of someone who believes that she should be the one to save the day, and not only be the guardian, of our spiritual well-being, but cleft stick in general. We imparted more spirituality last night than Praise could shake a bible at, and that's my kind of religion. And that is the way I wish to keep it. Praise's spam is a distraction to me, and reminds me every time I get one, that she is still out there, insisting that we take notice of her. I don't want her next to near me, and I wont let it go until I get her assurances that she'll piss off out of my inbox for once and for all. Does that make it any clearer for you, Melani? B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Melani Date: 28 Jul 01 - 12:58 AM Brendy, are you like this all the time or only on Mudcat? After the way you have been comminicating, if I were Susan, I would never respond at all, since it would clearly drive you crazy. Are you familiar with the phrase, "You catch more flies with honey"? In case that's too obscure for you, I am suggesting that people are more likely to do what you ask if you ask politely instead of threatening them. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Date: 28 Jul 01 - 12:38 AM Just what the hell are you talking about? PAH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 28 Jul 01 - 12:30 AM I bet you you just love your job, as much as I do, don't you? How's life beneath the clouds in Greyville, PAH? Clingon warship, my ass! B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,PAH Date: 28 Jul 01 - 12:19 AM Like we give a flying fuck about the elk, the calves and your lack of a camera. And no need responding because I don't give two fucks about what you think either, so yes I guess everybody's clear on where you're coming from... My apologies RichM, I'm sure you can take care of yourself, I just couldn't listen to this asshole anymore.... PAH |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 27 Jul 01 - 11:55 PM Hey, Richm? FUCK OFF OUT OF SUBJECTS THAT DON'T CONCERN YOU!! Uncall that! And before you start saying: "I say, I find you quite the most obnoxious...." I don't give two fucks what you think. Are we straight on that one, now? Now Fuck off and .....chat...somewhere, and keep your nose out of other peoples' business. Sweden was fine, nice crowd, good gig. Drove back from Karlstad, and at 4.30 this morning had to brake sharply as a mother elk, and her two calves nonchantly sauntered across the road. Where's a camera when you need one, eh? Or, indeed, where's a confirmation that one has been removed from certain address books, when you need one, either? B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: MAG Date: 27 Jul 01 - 11:48 PM PS: Hinton? Susan Hinton?? Did you by any chance write some adolescent novels?? |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: MAG Date: 27 Jul 01 - 11:46 PM I got the note from WYS too, and my Norton apparently grabbed it. No problem. No problem at all. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 27 Jul 01 - 05:10 PM McGrath my first virus was a Kak worm, it was present in the actual email not an attachment. Just opening the email let it out, fortunately microsoft have plugged the hole with an update patch for win 98 (norton had a removal program and a link to the MS update site) Since then I have Norton scan the emails as they arrive and get the auto virus file updates, like Spaw when one arrives I get a big message and options |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Jul 01 - 04:58 PM If you block a sender, and then send them an email, that would put them in your address book (unless you'd unchecked that box) - but would the sender still be blocked from sending you email?
That's just me being curious in case it ever comes up.
And I take it the rule still is that you can't catch anything nasty from an email, it's just the attachments you have to watch out for? (And of course, opening innocuous looking links could mean that you find yourself with a hard disk containing material which is illegal to have there, as well as nasty - but your computer can't get a virus that way. At least that's what I understand to be the case.) |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 27 Jul 01 - 04:40 PM I got the email from Susan too, no virus but I too would rather not be in anyones address book if they send out blanket emails to everyone in it. That said I did not take offence as the intention was well meaning I have just unchecked the box in my OE that automatically adds the senders of replied to emails to the address book, that way I hopefully won't have a huge address book if ever one of these viruses gets to it. I can still have the addresses on the actual emails of course until I choose to delete them, so I don't mind susan or anyone else keeping my emails as a reference and a reply address but I dont really need to be anyones address book that I don't communicate with regularly - if that makes sense? Roger |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: katlaughing Date: 27 Jul 01 - 04:20 PM We've just had two very long threads on the sircam virus, too,with all kind sof links for figuring things out. Anyone in doubt should check those threads, and no I am not going to hunt them down and link them. They've been up all the past week. kat |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 27 Jul 01 - 02:28 PM WYSIWYG: I got your message, and my up-to-date Norton's never turned a hair at it. DAve Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Jul 01 - 10:23 AM Jeri.....As I said in the other thread, the virus from Leej is this one which Joe linked above and my Norton grabbed it right away. Since my previous problems with Norton and kak, they've worked perfectly (had a bad disc originally which left off a good portion of their program). Also, I noted in the other thread that my ISP sent out a notice that they were blocking Sircam so perhaps yours is too. Since the one Leej sent can be repaired, maybe your ISP is running the software to do it before it's sent out. Repair is Norton's first option and it did work on Leej's e-mail. Sorry for the drift folks.......The whole virus thing has really taken off. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Kim C Date: 27 Jul 01 - 10:21 AM Susan I got the message, with no problem. HOWEVER I have over the last couple of days got infected messages (not from anyone here that I know of) and just deleted them without opening the attachment. I wonder whatever happened to "thanks for the warning but please take me off your list"? |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Jul 01 - 10:10 AM Well, I use Outlook Express, and it's got a facility called Block Sender (in the menu that opens when you click on Message at the top of the page). I imagine most emaio programs have something similar.
You can use it to block all future messages from a particular sender, and also to remove all previous messages from them, if you wish. It makes getting spam a bit like playing Space Invaders.
And that's what I'd do, if I wanted to stop someone sending undanted messages to me, rather than bothering to ask them to remove me from their mailing list.
And, as it happens, I wouldn't wish to use it on either WYSIWYG or Brendy. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: RichM Date: 27 Jul 01 - 09:58 AM Uncalled for. Sir, clean up your language, OR at least follow your own foul mouthed suggestions.
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Jeri Date: 27 Jul 01 - 09:53 AM I got the e-mail from WYSIWYG with no attached file or imbedded virus/worm. The sucker may attach itself to random e-mails though - I don't know. I can't help but think my ISP is blocking some of these. The only virus I got lately was from LEJ, and my up-to-date AV software doesn't even recognise it as a virus. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: GUEST,Pagenpuss Date: 27 Jul 01 - 04:18 AM Praise do you know how irritating you can be? Not all of us want to be saved or appear on your mailing list. If Brendy wants off whats the problem? |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 01 - 04:16 AM Oh, OK, maybe it's W32.Sircam.Worm@mm, which is also known as "Backdoor." You'll find a removal tool at the link. This one sends an attachment that takes its name from a file on the sender's hard drive, and the title of the message is the same as the attachment. It could also be W32.Magistr.24876@mm, which is what LEJ thought he had. Whatever the case, it sounds like you owe Brendy an apology, and a promise to remove him from your address book. Note what I said above - if you've had a virus, the last thing people want to receive from you is e-mail. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 27 Jul 01 - 04:02 AM Well, Joe, there you have it. I am not making this up. I, like you, have better things to do...and I really must head off for the taxi to the airport, now. Maybe Praise has singled me out for special attention, I don't know. Aløl I know was that it arrived, and Norton, and Zone Alarm Pro notified me of it's existence. It's that latest one...sirc...something No word from Praise, though. Verbose as she is on other subjects, she is still strangely silent about making any assurances to me about my secure removal from her bloody mailing list... "I'm still waiting.." B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jul 01 - 04:01 AM Joe, catch up on the threads tonight about viruses-- this was the real thing. Thanks for your help-- nite! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:56 AM Sorcha, Joe, be assured, I just got this in my box from someone who knows the virus well from his own sad experience: "Hiya! Your message arrived here attachment free." The rest speaks for itself and warrants no reply. Didja know there is a board that has a department called HELL where you can rant till you are all ranted out with no penalty? *G* When I get a chance I will post the guidelines for HELL. They are a riot! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:56 AM Well, Susan, there wasn't any attachment to the e-mail you sent me - but you did commit the sin of sending out a general message about an unverified virus. If you get something suspicious, check the Website of one or more of the antivirus firms - Symantec/Norton and McAfee are the best-known. If you find nothing, e-mail them and give them details of the suspect. Then wait for them to reply before you send out a general message. In the meantime, scan your hard drive for viruses right away. If you've had a virus, the last thing people want to receive from you is e-mail. It's like kissing people when you have stomach flu. If you're on the Internet, you should have antivirus software that's updated at least every two weeks, and you should do a full scan of your hard drive once a week. I didn't find any mention of the virus you describe, but I'm not all that good at finding them. We'll wait until the Big Guns like Jeri come in and have their say-so. She has an uncanny ability to find antivirus information. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:48 AM Sarah, you're not qualified to hold that name, and if blackmail seems to be the only way to get removed from somebody's mailing list, around here...well, I'm sure the network administrator would be interested to read that kind of information, too B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:43 AM MY NAME IS NOT SARAH, OK?? My name is Sorcha---I can't help it if the British decided that meant Sarah. It does not. Sarah/Sarai/Sara/Sadie etc. is from the Hebrew meaning "princess". Sorcha is from the Irish Gaelic and means "bright". So, stop calling me Sarah, and maybe tomorrow you wil be removed from the address book......... |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:33 AM Yes Joe: Backstreet Boys logg.doc.vbs And, Sarah..that is not the point. The point is to kick up enough stink, so as they either get sick of reading my shit, or go and do something about it. So far she has had seven posts to this thread, and not one apology, or a promise to get me to fuck off her mailing list... As I asked in my initial post I'm off to Sweden, now, and I'll be back sometime tomorrow evening. By that stage I wish to see a confirmation that I have been removed from her mailing lists B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:31 AM ROFLMAO about that. Sorry sissie, viruii are truly not funny. But this eejit is just over the top with its' rant. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:28 AM DUGHHH!!!! I am SO DUM! I sent that mail to JOE OFFER too! (And Max! LOL) If I infected them, they'll know all about it! Good NIGHT! ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:25 AM Sorch, right now I am too busy even to OPEN the address book. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:23 AM Joe, you got a quick and simple way we can check me out right now? I have been to Norton site and it's too thick for me to untangle. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:23 AM hee hee hee. How can someone complain to an ISP about posting on a public forum? Sis, I assume this craytur has been deleted from your address book? I wouldn't bother to ever notify it again about anything.It could be a worm for all we know........ |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:21 AM OK, Brendy, but the question still exists: did you receive a virus from Praise/WYSIWYG? Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:11 AM Any genuine messages from you, Praise will hopefully be in the past tense, or do I send a link to this page to the owner of this: 24.229.82.122 and convey to her/him my disgust that a user on their network is blatantly refusing to answer any requests from me to desist? B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:02 AM This is the horrible awful spammie thing I sent to my address book: This is a blind-copy bulk mailing to keep all recipients' addresses private. If you had not heard, there are some bad viruses going around. One has this subject line: "yellow pods of" with a message about 50 seeds, and an attachment. I just got it but did not open the attachment. My address book is not infected as far as I know and I am on a new system with the latest virus killers, but please, be on the lookout. Any genuine messages from me in the near future will contain the word WYSIWYG in the subject line. Please virus check your system against this virus before sending me anything that could carry it without you knowing it. ~Susan Hinton |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Brendy Date: 27 Jul 01 - 03:01 AM GET ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST, THEN Is that such a big problem for you, or something? B. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jul 01 - 02:58 AM Thanks bud. I bet if I had sent it out infected I would have a full mailbox or a slew of PMs at the moment suggesting I get a check up. Brendy, give it a rest. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Date: 27 Jul 01 - 02:53 AM LOL! Now I am Sarah---whoooo--ee. Ain't that a kick, huh, sissie? Got lotsa names. Could get lotsa e mail addys too, huh? Ya'll watch out for the OrcaWail on hot mail, now......she's a spammin' bitch! No, I did not get an infected e mail from you, Whizzy. |
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Subject: RE: Help: The last thing I want to read... From: Sorcha Date: 27 Jul 01 - 02:48 AM No, sooz, I did not. Can't sleep, I tried. I am not infected with either the Bill virus or the sooz virus. As far as I know, I am clean here. |
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