BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 07:46 AM

That's it in a nutshell Dave. We can all have different viewpoints (and how boring if we all thought the same about everything. There'd be nothing to discuss!) but there's no need for folk to get nasty, call each other names and insult those who differ.

My lovely, talented and clever niece is a card-carrying Communist. Her mum and I are Tories. We do have some...er...heated discussions, but we all find it interesting, not unpleasant. And the fact she's a Buddhist and a vegetarian adds spice to the chat. I wouldn't dream of insulting her, nor she me.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 07:40 AM

There is a massive difference between voting Tory and doing your utmost to discredit everyone else, Eliza. While I cannot agree with your choice, it is your choice to make. As long as you don't start to believe that yours is the only valid viewpoint then we will always get on :-)

I agree about Richard too. You are right about the hate, Richard, but come back and make a stand against it. Please!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 07:02 AM

Please don't go away again Richard. I was glad to see you'd returned on here after what seemed like a long absence. :)

It's difficult isn't it? The 'softer' threads have old biddies like me waffling on at length about cats, gardening or health. It must get boring for the more feisty ones among us.

Actually I feel very grateful to Max, Joe and the other Mods. They could easily just say, "Sod this for a game of soldiers!" close down the BS section, or the entire site, and go home to play music and relax.

I often smile to myself and wonder what the Keyboard Warriors are like in real life. I expect they're big softies underneath. If not, I'd be a bit scared to come across them in the pub. Chairs would soon be flying, especially as I dared recently to admit to voting Tory!

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 06:56 AM

Not sure what the solution is but I do know that any thread such as this is doomed from the outset.

Correct...

But am trying to think of a harder drink dance. I seem to remember "Hot Punch" in brief morris days for maybe Poulton Le Fylde? Youtube is confusing me at the moment - think this is the Oyster Girl/New Rigged Ship??? I've lost touch...

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 06:34 AM

I have not been here for a while. I think I will probably go away again. It looks as if the hate-filled right has won again.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 06:28 AM

they do if you drink the liquid first! 😎

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 06:01 AM

Schotishe, Bouree and Zydeco do not make fizzy orange drinks...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 05:56 AM

"Well it isn't our Forum is it? It's run by the Moderators and they have every right to sort it out as they see fit. 'Their house, their rules' etc.
Also, as I see it, sometimes the nastiness on a thread gets so appalling, the only thing to do is to shut the whole thread down."

This. Go somewhere else if you don't like it.

Most threads below the line have become a complete waste of time, always ends up with the same old people making discussion impossible.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 05:43 AM

Tango? - there is a better way!
Have you tried schotishe? Bouree? Maybe a touch of Zydeco?

We've said it so many times, "don't feed the trolls" but what do you call a troll who stands their ground and talks directly to the person, not the issue?

You close the thread. And IMNSHO the right way. When a dog has a bone - do you talk to him, or make the bone distasteful, or make it vanish?

The bone is not the issue, the brain controlling the jaw is the issue. Make him bite on his lip? Nah! make the bone disappear, every time. If it winds up the dog, the moderate win. If my thread got closed, I am chastised and rightly so. I am only human.

Mind you - it doesn't stop me winding up the moderators just a teensy weensy bit, until they modify the thread title! Mia culpa 😈

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 05:21 AM

1000+ posts of bile with no real winners

Yet someone regularly claims the victory :-)

Sorry, Jon, couldn't resist it. But you are right. We did once try to change some of the nastier threads into things we have in common such as gardening, food and travel but that got complained about as well. Some people just want to argue and, yes, it does take two to tango so that oft times includes me!

Not sure what the solution is but I do know that any thread such as this is doomed from the outset.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 05:02 AM

And from a different perspective, I've ceased to see the point in some threads.

I know who the main players will be before opening them and can predict who will agree with whom. Rather than resolution, they can turn to 1000+ posts of bile with no real winners. Those with entrenched positions will remain as such and as one thread closes, another starts as a continuation with no minds changed.

This has nothing to do with who I may or may not agree with on a particular issue nor is it an attempt to claim innocence in rows (I've had a few of my own…) It's just a feeling that the place would be better without a perpetual run of threads that can go nowhere nice.

I'm a fine one to talk but perhaps it would be better to focus on what we have in common, for some of us, eg, gardening below the line?

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 04:48 AM

It is our forum Sen - if it a discussion forum we need the democracy to discuss what we like in the manner we please
The moderators are there to moderate, not to dictate
Our job is to abide by the conditions of membership
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 04:33 AM

Well it isn't our Forum is it? It's run by the Moderators and they have every right to sort it out as they see fit. 'Their house, their rules' etc.
Also, as I see it, sometimes the nastiness on a thread gets so appalling, the only thing to do is to shut the whole thread down.

One wants to encourage new members and posters, but imagine the reaction of someone new coming on here and seeing all the rude, insulting and disgraceful bickering, the political back-biting and personal insults etc. They'd probably shove off pronto and look for another site.

Subject: BS: No-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 04:11 AM

It appears that we have reached the point on this forum that when we choose "uncomfortable" subjects to discuss they are closed and we are told to "go and play" by the moderators.
I find this an extremely patonising attitude towards a group of adults by a bunch of faceless censors who have taken it upon themselves to 'Firewall' certain subjects because they cause dissension
We don't always behave ourselves as we should - true - that goes for all sides of the political and musical spectrum, but unless we are allowed to slug them out in the manner we see fit, there is little point of our being here
If any of us overstep the mark and indulge in bad behaviour , it is up to the moderators to warn us and, if we persist, have us removed from the thread and then the forum
On several occasions now, threads have been deliberately closed by trolls simply screaming hate-filled insults, "Jew hater" being a particular favourite - it has become a sure way to curtail uncomfortable discussion.
These hate-mailers are allowed to continue, thread after killed-off thread
Why - are these built-in ejector seats for when them upstairs decide we've said enough?
On our part, we seriously need to get a grip and moderate our own behaviour, but we need to be allowed to do so as adults.
The subjects that cause the problems are usually serious ones that concern us deeply and often passionately, but if we can't express ourselves fully on them, they become anodyne and pointless
There is a clause in the membership that suggests we behave politely and with respect to each other - if we all adhered to that one, I believe we can be trusted to behave responsibly without placing bounds on where we can take discussions.
A first step might be to give a final warning to the hate-poster who immediately reverts to "Jew hater" when he finds himself at a loss for an articulate response.
There are no "Jew haters" on this forum, or if there are, they have never made themselves known enough to have become a problem.
A final warning and then expulsion would clean out this particular Augean Stable
Jim Carroll