BS: George Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 11:08 AM

""Personally, I would have not liked a mug like that following me, either. I think BOTH of them had reason to 'suspect' each other...That being said, NEITHER of them had the right, or reasonable cause, to initiate anything!""

One of them said, I reached for my phone(dubious, when facing a possible aggressor). The other without doubt saw that move toward a pocket by a non uniformed man who might easily have been a mugger, and couldn't possibly predict what would come out of that pocket, but might very reasonably have surmised that it would be a gun.

So he would seem to be covered by the "Stand your Ground" law, if he pre-empted an expected attack.

The only possible reason why he was not accorded that right under Florida Law is the colour of his skin.

That is not an emotional response, it is a fact.

HOWEVER: We now know that blacks in Florida do not warrant the protection of the state's own laws, and should stay indoors after dark, because it's open season if they don't.

The Judge and the Defence have confirmed vigilante law for blacks, with the collusion of the most inept prosecution team in recent history, and the murderer of an innocent teenager walks free, exactly as expected.

I sincerely hope that nobody will carry out a death threat on Zimmerman, because I believe he should live out his life as the pariah he deserves to be, with the constant fear that somebody might!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 10:56 AM

It really is a bitch when juries render verdicts based on the evidence

I hope you don't mean to suggest that is what happened in this instance?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 10:52 AM

It really is a bitch when juries render verdicts based on the evidence and the law and not on popular opinions, which are based mostly on what they and their "team" believes.

Of course, "righteous indignation" is the fad of the day. If I'm going to get pissed off about something, I look back at what would have kept this killing from happening, despite what else went down. I think it's the fact that Zimmerman, who seems a little iffy in the "rational judgement" department, had a gun. If he hadn't, he likely wouldn't have even pursued Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 10:52 AM

Bury the rag deep in your face
For now is the time for your tears.

Makes me so goddamn proud to be a U.S. citizen I could just shit.

So, Bobert- where do I send my contribution to the fund to prosecute this sumbitch in civil court?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 10:15 AM

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/statement-martin-family-attorney-benjamin-crum

Subject: RE: BS: Not guilty? Not Guilfy???
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 09:45 AM

American justice just became an oxymoron.

Subject: BS: Not guilty? Not Guilfy???
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 09:18 AM

Not guilty??

OK, so demonstrators don hoodies.
They carry signs that read: "I pray for George Zimmerman. I am armed with words. I am standing my ground. "
They walk one at a time in front of Zimmerman's house. One at a time. One demonstrator stands in front of the house. for a minute.
The next demonstrator waits 50 yards away.
After the minute, the demonstrator moves on, and the next demonstrator comes and stands for one minute, and so on.
They are all on public ground. Perhaps the same thing is done in other locations significant to the trial. The defense attorney's office; news media outlets (especially CNN and Nancy Grace's office). And, of course, the Florida capitol. building.

This could even be done in other venues, like relevant locations where we live.
Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 09:15 AM

Greg F, had to look that one up. Sounds about right.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 08:52 AM

For those hoping to see Zimmerman taken to civil court by Martin's family, I wouldn't hold your breath on it either happening or them prevailing...

Seems that Zimmerman's gun-whacked out supporters will funnel as much $$$ as necessary to Zimmerman's legal team, as we have just seen, to swamp the complainant's legal team... He with the most gold wins...

Like I said last night...

Southern style justice has been served up... I've seen it over an dover during my life... Some things just never change...

I called this one long ago...

Nothing to see here, people, so just move on...
Another poor boy dead and gone

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 08:40 AM

William Zantzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll.....

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 08:32 AM

To paraphrase Mr. Zimmerman, "These a-holes, They always get away." Well he got away, but he'll pay a price in a hundred different ways. The jury has spoken. Not Guilty. Now the case goes to the court of public opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 08:11 AM

From Gawker:

"If you're a black man and you don't remain vigilant of and obsequious to white people's panic in your presence then you must be prepared to be arrested, be beaten, be shot through the heart and lung and die on the way home to watch a basketball game with your family."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 08:11 AM

From The Atlantic:

"What the verdict tells us is, to the astonishment of tens of millions of us, you can go looking for trouble in Florida, with a gun and a great deal of racial bias, and you can find that trouble, and you can act upon that trouble in a way that leaves a young man dead, and none of it guarantees that you will be convicted of a crime."

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 03:44 AM

Don, I agree with you. Well written. I wish I could agree that people will take to the streets. Uh-uh, this is gonna be a cold war. This verdict is not good. It insults America. Lincoln should have let them go. They will never be part of America. I'm going to start excluding them, starting now.

Florida who?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 01:48 AM

From THE NATION Magazine

White Supremacy Acquits George Zimmerman
by Aura Bogado, July 14, 2013 - 12:05 AM ET

A jury has found George Zimmerman not guilty of all charges in connection to death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. But while the verdict came as a surprise to some people, it makes perfect sense to others. This verdict is a crystal-clear illustration of the way white supremacy operates in America.

Throughout the trial, the media repeatedly referred to an "all-woman jury" in that Seminole County courtroom, adding that most of them were mothers. That is true—but so is that five of the six jurors were white, and that is profoundly significant for cases like this one. We also know that the lone juror of color was seen apparently wiping a tear during the prosecution's rebuttal yesterday. But that tear didn't ultimately convince her or the white people on that jury that Zimmerman was guilty of anything. Not guilty. Not after stalking, shooting and killing a black child, a child that the defense insultingly argued was "armed with concrete."

In the last few days, Latinos in particular have spoken up again about Zimmerman's race, and the "white Hispanic" label in particular, largely responding to social media users and mass media pundits who employed the term. Watching Zimmerman in the defense seat, his sister in the courtroom, and his mother on the stand, one can't deny the skin color that informs their experience. They are not white. Yet Zimmerman's apparent ideology—one that is suspicious of black men in his neighborhood, the "assholes who always get away—" is one that adheres to white supremacy. It was replicated in the courtroom by his defense, whose team tore away at Rachel Jeantel, questioning the young woman as if she was taking a Jim Crow–era literacy test. A defense that, during closing, cited slave-owning Thomas Jefferson, played an animation for the jury based on erroneous assumptions, made racially coded accusations about Trayvon Martin emerging "out of the darkness," and had the audacity to compare the case of the killing of an unarmed black teenager to siblings arguing over which one stole a cookie.

When Zimmerman was acquitted today, it wasn't because he's a so-called white Hispanic. He's not. It's because he abides by the logic of white supremacy, and was supported by a defense team—and a swath of society—that supports the lingering idea that some black men must occasionally be killed with impunity in order to keep society-at-large safe.

Media on the left, right and center have been fanning the flames of fear-mongering, speculating that people—and black people especially—will take to the streets. That fear-mongering represents a deep white anxiety about black bodies on the streets, and echoes Zimmerman's fears: that black bodies on the street pose a public threat. But the real violence in those speculations, regardless of whether they prove to be true, is that it silences black anxiety. The anxiety that black men feel every time they walk outside the door—and the anxiety their loved ones feel for them as well. That white anxiety serves to conceal the real public threat: that a black man is killed every twenty-eight hours by a cop or vigilante.

People will take to the streets, and with good reason. They'll be there because they know that, yes, some people do always get away—and it tends to be those strapped with guns and the logic of white supremacy at their side.

The Nation Magazine

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 01:08 AM

Somehow I don't think we've heard the end of this. In fact, I'm sure we haven't.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 12:40 AM

Really thought he'd get convicted of manslaughter despite the flawed manner in which the prosecution conducted the case. What a shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jul 13 - 12:10 AM

I am stunned. There is now a move afoot to bring civil charges against him, as was successfully done in the OJ case.

The indisputable fact is that this man killed an unarmed person. If he had not been carrying a loaded weapon this would not have happened.

If he had not been armed and the whole incident had taken place as described, #1: he would probably not have followed him in the first place and just reported in as he was supposed to do. #2: if there had been a confrontation he would probably have more conciliatory and/or have fled.

Frankly, I believe he unholstered his gun before the confrontation- as has been made clear by a number of persons, it is virtually impossible that he got to his gun while lying on the ground.

Ain't the "equalizer" wonderful?

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 10:54 PM

Manslaughter, in Florida

Check it out!

Gfs

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 10:38 PM

Welcome to the real South, ya'll...

Come back, ya' hear???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 10:38 PM

Just saw a special report on the news.

Zimmerman walks!

(I think I'm going to throw up. . . .)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 10:17 PM

Oh my. I didn't think the jury would find him guilty of murder but to find him Not Guilty of anything does surprise me.

Oh, my.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 10:12 PM

This thread's gonna get interesting when the verdict gets to everybody here. Or not. Judging by what usually happens, there will be slamming to the left, slamming to the right, and the whole reasonable middle will be somewhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 10:04 PM

I ain't Jewish... And I ain't no Israeli apologist... But...

...many of my friends are Jewish....

LOL...

(Actually, that statement is true)

Never mind...

I'm gonna shut this off and play some music...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 09:58 PM

I love you Bobert. You're my Israeli ally. We will argue night and day but ours will be a civilized world. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 09:53 PM

ps. And not anybody who has a hankering for it.

And then I will write Governor Cuomo and tell him why his gun legislation failed so miserably. I will explain how he jumped the gun and went off half-cocked. He failed to learn anything about guns. One of the first things I asked my NRA friend was "Don't you have to pull a safety off or something?" Looking for premeditation. He said no. Zimmerman didn't have that kind of gun. I wish that lawyer on CNN had not spent so much time in the library when he brought up that non-existent argument with a glee reminiscent of Columbus discovering America. Know thy guns and fully interpret the practical implications for law enforcement. What do you want? Do you want them doing their thorough background checks or do you want them counting bullets in a clip? Not that they are going to worry about that but- constantly new rules being passed down every time some politician wants to look good, from people who never did the job one day in their life. I imagine it wears on ya.

Know thy guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 09:34 PM

Couple eight years incarcerated and Zimmerman will be introduced to enough people who think he's a creep that he'll pay for what he has done...

I don't believe his story... It has more holes than Swiss cheese...

And let's get real here...

Did you see his attorney bring in a chunk of concrete??? That was retarded...

"Hey, honey, I'm going to walk down the Qick-Mart for some candy... Have you seen that concrete block... I'd like to carry it down there and back with me'...

Duhhhhhh....

I donno... I've lived in the South most of my life (20 years in Wes Ginny but it's just like the South)... I've seen so much injustice against black people that my cup run'eth over...

Seems that the two Zimmerman defenders here are both Yankees???

Strange...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,SJL
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 09:17 PM

But we have an admission on Zimmerman's part that Trayvon tried to escape him once. And if you believe Trayvon's friend (which I do), he caught up to him. Rachel said Trayvon said, why are you following me?" And Zimmerman said, "What are you doing around here?" Makes sense. Trayvon saying, "You got me." No, Zimmerman is a liar and worse not right in the head.

And it's like this: If George Zimmerman gets acquitted, I'm writing our DA. And I'm going to say, "Is it just me or have the people in Florida lost their sense of right and wrong?" I will ask him to make a public statement to the effect that vigilantism is something we are fortunate enough not to have to deal with. We rely on law enforcement. We let cops be co

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 09:08 PM

I'd take that, Elmore...

Zimmerman shouldn't be able to get away Scott free from this...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Elmore
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 08:59 PM

Whatever we opine, Zimmerman's going away for manslaughter.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 08:03 PM

Of course, I don't, GfinS...

He has been caught in several lies already and so why should I??? Or you??? Or anyone???

I doubt if his high priced legal team does either but...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 05:55 PM

Bobert: "Zimmerman is a confessed liar...
Period..."

Do you believe him??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 05:47 PM

Sorry to be "Johnnie One Note" here, but I keep coming back to the fact that if Zimmerman had bloody-well stayed in his car as the police told him to do, this tragic incident would never have happened.

I don't what to see Zimmerman hang, but if he gets a cell in the Hard Rock Hotel for a good stretch, it will give him a chance to think it over, and will also get him off the streets.

Think about it:   If Zimmerman walks, the tacit implication is that he was justified in what he did.

And who's black teenage son is he going to kill next?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 04:50 PM

Zimmerman is a confessed liar...

Period...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 04:43 PM

Martin screwed up when he attacked Zimmerman

Of course we only have Zimmerman's word that this actually happened. Maybe it did but there is only one person still alive who knows for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 04:36 PM

Bobert: "The fact that Zimmerman instigated the conflict by stalking Martin before killing him makes it 2nd degree murder..."

There you go again, Bobert..let me help you out,again,.. IF Zimmerman instigated the conflict before killing him, makes it 2nd degree murder...

That is a little more accurate, TO THE LAW, not your opinion, or any one else's.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 04:17 PM

No, Arkie... If Zimmerman had planned to murder Martin that night it would be 1st degree murder... The fact that Zimmerman instigated the conflict by stalking Martin before killing him makes it 2nd degree murder...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 12:40 PM

Arkie, I agreed with you, but only up to a point. Martin screwed up when he attacked Zimmerman, otherwise you'd have to assess the threshold, of 'reasonable fear', and then you're back to square one.
Here's a point, that I've noticed from the beginning, in which I DO agree with you.
Look at the picture of Zimmerman, the police took right after the incident. OK?..now for a moment, take off the blood, and imagine looking at him, without the injuries..OK?...Personally, I would have not liked a mug like that following me, either. I think BOTH of them had reason to 'suspect' each other...That being said, NEITHER of them had the right, or reasonable cause, to initiate anything! I still think it was reckless stupidity all the way around. martin had a cell phone in his hands, as well. If he was so alarmed, HE should have called the police!..Imagine the police getting calls from BOTH of them..it could have all been calmed down, right over the phone!!!
Absolute stupidity!!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 11:34 AM

From what little I actually know, there is no indication that Zimmerman planned to murder someone that evening. Neither have I seen any indication that Zimmerman contacted police a second time indicating that the suspect was trying to run. Had Zimmerman waited for police and on their arrival, Martin began suspicious action, that creates another scenario. If Zimmerman had used reasonable judgement and allowed Martin to be approached by uniformed officers, the outcome would most likely have been different. So he was guilty of poor judgement without question. That judgement ended in death. In my thinking, it is irrelevant whether Martin initiated physical contact.   He had as much right to defend himself from what appeared to be a threat as did Zimmerman.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 11:30 AM

Do ya' think the light would go on??..or is it just another lampshade?
Maybe some people find in 'more convenient' to stay in the dark...no matter what the lamp looks like.
Maybe there is a light within us, that we've been too distracted to turn on..or even know how important it is to turn on!
Maybe we keep getting diverted, from looking for the switch..(either way you see it).

Regards, Guest, guest guest!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 11:11 AM

You have made several points. It's unbearably sad. Shall we go for Marx with a lampshade on his head? Could be :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 03:44 AM

History teaches us that man never learns from history. Do we ALL get hateful and angry for the actions of stupidity, and repeat the same actions on those we disagree with??..because of THIS trial??

The same day Trayvon was killed, there were 25 murders in Chicago...where's the outrage?..None!..Did you know there were more murders in Chicago last year, than we lost service men in Afghanistan, in the same time period?? What?? No outrage?? ..not only 'no outrage', the media didn't bother to put the microscope on that, which was BIGGER, as it did on the Zimmerman/Martin shooting...matter of FACT, nobody even cared to know..and another thing, most of the murdered were black. What's the matter?? They didn't matter??? Do you even know how many of those murdered were under the age of 16??..Why not?..Never bothered us to check?? We didn't care? We didn't know??..Why not?
Zimmerman lied, about Martin and the circumstances around that...so did Holder, about sending guns to the Mexican drug cartels...nobody seems to give a shit, and when it's brought up, it gets 'dismissed' because it gets 'labeled' as being partisan 'concern'. Two border agents were killed, who were fathers of young children..who gives a shit that Holder lies about it..but Zimmerman is somehow more evil? Benghazi?..lies and dead people, but let's play politics, make excuses for Susan Rice lying TO THE WORLD, at the U.N...or Hilary's "What difference does it make??!!" she screams at the hearing...How much does THAT matter??...But two stupid idiots make immature decisions on the street, get into a fight, and one shoots the other...Well stop the presses, and get ready to riot, and kill more, perhaps??..and why? Was it more 'important'?..or was it politicized and we had our noses rubbed in it?? If you had an 'opinion' about it, one way or another, it was reason to hate, or be hated???? Was the emotional loss for the 25 murdered in Chicago, the same day, less??..AND Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country! Florida has the 'stand your ground law' and that get's more attention, then how many drug related murders happened in Chicago, the same day, while Holder lies about supplying the drug cartels with guns?????????? How many stray bullets hit TRULY innocent children the same day, in Chicago?? Kids who DIDN'T take a punch at anyone..Do you know?? Care??...Why not?? Does it matter?

Yeah, why not?

Thoughtfully,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 02:41 AM

Stop. He took a life. He's not sorry. As a matter of fact, he said in his interview with Sean Hannity that it was God's will. Lord have mercy.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 13 - 12:35 AM

You sound rather emotional!
I'm not saying he did or didn't, or why...I wasn't there, and neither were you. I was merely talking about the closing arguments, and how they were 'geared', and what the prosecution was exploiting...which, I found rather persuasive..and leaning on the emotional side, vs what the established, accepted evidence was. Obviously, it struck a resonate chord in you. As for me, I'm not jumping to conclusions either way. As stated before, this whole thing was the result of TWO people making VERY poor decisions, and VERY stupid ones at that!..VERY VERY stupid, and tragic ones, at that!
In any event, of which way it goes, I hope for the well being of everyone concerned in the aftermath, that MORE people are not hurt, or killed, either as angered and hateful, or in self defense! This shit has GOT to be overcome!!...Will it be??..Depends if we, as a whole, wise up!!

GfS

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 12 Jul 13 - 11:59 PM

GfS, FFS! It's not a pig in the race, it's a dog in the fight!

He deserves 2nd degree murder but I'll take manslaughter.

C'mon. George Zimmerman is not right in the head. And he created that situation. And he killed that kid. And he lied about everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jul 13 - 11:30 PM

This one replaces the other one..take it out, please!

Bobert: "What I fear, GfinS, is that the jury will use whatever it can to justify its decision..."

The jury is six women...therefore,. 'the women will use whatever it can to justify their decision'....(women have a 'need to feel innocent')...and that is ANY decision they'd come up with. Throw out 'logic' and the 'logical', the way YOU would understand it! Also, by and large, 'women get uncomfortable in HAVING to make decisions'. (Nature of the gender)...if they 'talk' about it and 'bond' with each other, it gets easier. If they are 'comfortable' going with the 'letter of the law', YOU will think they are being 'heartless', because it didn't go the way you thought. If they go another way, it will be because they 'all felt good' about it..and each other.
As for them sharing your 'racial struggle nostalgia', that would be hard to say..depends on their ages and what they grew up with..and from where, MAYBE.

..and so much for our 'half-time' entertainment report!
When it's all done, and they interview them, just keep in mind what I'm saying here, now.
It will ALL make sense...THEN!
Notice how John Guy's closing arguments plays to exactly what I just ran down, in the last three posts....and keep in mind, he emphasized emotions, and building his argument, using their emotional link, to fill in the gaps..but NOT the EVIDENCE, as presented.
Very persuasive!!..but NOT LOGICAL to the known facts, to arrive at a verdict!!
You might not agree with me on that...but it IS the strategy he employed...there definitely is a connection to what I'm saying!!

As for me, I'm just watching...no pig in the race...hope there is no violence afterwards...Oh, and BTW, you can scroll back in the thread, and those who argue FOR a guilty verdict, ALSO are coming from an emotional place, vs those who argue that Zimmerman in innocent, based their position on the EVIDENCE, as presented, and a logical place!

Using your experience with 'wimenz' as you have referred to them, you draw your own conclusions....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jul 13 - 11:24 PM

Bobert: "What I fear, GfinS, is that the jury will use whatever it can to justify its decision..."

The jury is six women...therefore,. 'the women will use whatever it can to justify their decision'....(women have a 'need to feel innocent')...and that is ANY decision they'd come up with. Though out 'logic' and the 'logical', the way you would understand it! Also, by in large, 'women get uncomfortable in HAVING to make decisions'. (Nature of the gender)...if they 'talk' about it and 'bond' with each other, it gets easier. If they are 'comfortable' going with the 'letter of the law', YOU will think they are being 'heartless', because it didn't go the way you thought. if they go another way, it will be because they 'all felt good' about it..and each other.
As for them sharing your 'racial struggle nostalgia', that would be hard to say..depends on their ages and what they grew up with..and from where, MAYBE.

..and so much for our 'half-time' entertainment report!
When it's all done, and they interview them, just keep in mind what I'm saying here, now.
It will ALL make sense.
Notice how John Guy's closing arguments plays to exactly what I just ran down, in the last three posts....and keep in mind, he emphasized emotions, and building of argument, using their emotional link, to fill in the gaps..but NOT the EVIDENCE, as presented.
Very persuasive!!..but NOT LOGICAL to the known facts, to arrive at a verdict!!
You might not agree with me on that...but it IS the strategy he employed.
As for me, I'm just watching...no pig in the race...hope there is no violence afterwards...Oh, and BTW, you can scroll back in the thread, and those who argue FOR a guilty verdict, ALSO are coming from an emotional place, vs those who argue that Zimmerman in innocent, based their position on the EVIDENCE, as presented, and a logical place!

Using your experience with 'wimenz' as you have referred to them, you draw your own conclusions....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 13 - 09:13 PM

So Goofball responds to the joke, but has nothing to say about the statement itself. That would require some thought.

Typical.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Jul 13 - 09:00 PM

No, you don't, Greg...

Stay where you are...

Here in North Carolina the recently elected Republican General Assembly and Governor are trying to take this state back to the 1800s... And pulling it off...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld'
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jul 13 - 08:49 PM

I wish I wuz in de land ob cotton.......