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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:19 PM The message came from YOUR computer, Goofball. Your IP number is like caller ID on a telephone, and one of the Mudelves identified it. That's why you're scared spitless of your own genes and refuse to acknowledge scientific evidence regarding the genetic origins of sexual orientation. All of which, including your lie about me, has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. YOU introduced it, Goofball, so (tsk) don't be such a little bitch. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:59 PM Looks like I hit a nerve again, and you're up to your usual tactics. Just as I said...making up new excuses, while trying to justify your bullshit agenda. Oh, and Bobert, there is no 'dirty little secret'. he's referring to a post, not sent by me, about saying my dad was a homosexual, which is patently untrue. he had six kids, and died loyal to his wife, my mother, at age 60, due to a stroke. Now Don, can you justify YOUR trip without sewing more seeds of discontent??...or have a 'political' idea, that doesn't rely on and depends on inspiring hate and discontent, Whether it be one on one, or to exhuming racial civil rights nostalgia...and easy old hat trick? NOOOOO! Well try it. It's your unexplored, new frontier. ..and how dare either one of you, of accusing ANYONE on here, of being of KKK mentality!!...What a couple of jerk-offs! Come on, Bobert, you're bigger than that....and WE don't live in the South!..If you're so concerned, fix it down there..and if you can't find anyone to fix (except 'in general'), I'm sure they'd appreciate to hear of your observations of them!...That ought to do it, huh??? ....and don't be surprised if your 'base' is just getting tired of hearing about it, and having to 'care' about it, after having their noses rubbed in it, 24/7. I don't think ANY Mudcatters have a prejudice against blacks, or against having it decided in a court of law...and all this ballyhoo, is over YOUR guys fucking up the case, in the first place, just wanting to stir up the racial issue. Up to a point, I thought you may have been smarter than to fall for that, or those political manipulations. Why should anybody take stock in that kind of simple-mindedness. You've been listening for far too long to dickhead, over there. You want to make a difference??..go to the people who need help..you don't want to??.. then shut up about it on here, and accusing others of being the people you're too chicken to confront! Hey, I'm on your side..quit embarrassing yourself! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:21 PM Guess I missed the "closet thing"... Come on out, dude... I don't give a rat's ass about that stuff... Heck, I grew up next door to "Jim and Gene"... You ain't got nuthin' on them... Okay, maybe you got somethin' on Jim... He was a drunk... He'd walk over to my parents house a little past 7 two or three nights a week, get drunk and then try to make it 100 feet next door to his house... This 100 foot walk was always an adventure... There were a couple trees that he'd have to negotiate and it was dark and Jim was drunk... "Ruthie!!! The bats are getting me!!! Ruthie" he'd scream and then my mom (Ruthie) would go out and get him out of the tree limbs and safe home where the bats wouldn't get him.... Never mind... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:06 PM That, plus the fact that he's in the closet, even to himself. That's really got him messed up mentally. Him, a family counselor? What a joke!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:47 PM Brevity, GfinS... You have become a real rambler... Reminds me of old folks who can go on and on about nothin' for hours at a time... Geriatric issues??? Your 8:36 post was an improvement... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:44 PM That's your fiction, Goofball. You're just pissed because I know your dirty little secret. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:36 PM Sure I do..I was describing your mindset, that has guiding you through life...with complete disregard for anyone but you. I thought it was perfect!!...and what's even more proof of it, is, you don't fucking get it! 'Lesser' minds can...and do.......what happened? the chrome fell off? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 13 - 08:26 PM Don't know the meaning of the word, eh, Goofball? That IS puerile! Try looking it up in a dictionary. You know. A dictionary is that thick book that tells you what words mean. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 07:53 PM Firth: "Like I said, "puerile". "Puerile"?? Of course you would say that..how perfect! Anything to justify sewing seeds of discontent, to satisfy your hormonal level, and not taking the responsibility, for how those seeds grow!..what they do...who it hurts...and to what end? My, how art imitates life! "Puerile"?? How "Puerile" can you be?? Maybe you don't get it, and don't know why...let me help you out, okay? You have this way of justifying irresponsible selfish things you've do/done in your life, and you somehow latch onto whatever 'cause' to parade around in, oblivious to the bullshit you promote, to justify 'other' serious irresponsibilities, without even stopping to consider, what VERY valid reason other people may see, that cause them to think you're full of shit...AND...not only that, you can't seem to fathom why that others can see those traits lasting you a fucking lifetime, and you just keep making excuses, and disregard or consider the priorities of others who WERE responsible...you live on another planet... You live in "Puerile"! "Puerile"?? You hide behind being well read, as if you have a need to impress people by how 'wise' you are......which, by the way, does not even rival that many a father who responsibly and successfully cared and raised their own children, and the 'hands on' affirmation THAT brings, as opposed to 'looking up what some other 'great' mind had to say..about something else...instead of hands on, ...To your closest... and using it!...And, as I told you before, I'm very skeptical of people who have never done the very above, trying to 'organize' political control, over people who KNOW what it is to take care of 'first things first'...for themselves AND the community at large. They know what the NEED. "Puerile"?? Some people grow up, and mature, past grabbing every opportunity for instant gratification, you know, like a child.... accomplishing a way to seem important, by throwing tantrums, and pretending to not respond, in a positive way, to common sense, while sewing hatred, unforgiveness, or any permissive bullshit, as a motive to hide your 'light weightiness'. Man, like you've peddled this lie to yourself, for so long, you've lost control over it..and can't distinguish between your political charade, and common sense!!! "Puerile"?? You cannot separate 'legal', 'emotional', 'exploitation', street theater, and common sense, can you? Here, I'll repeat it: "Anything to justify sewing seeds of discontent, to satisfy your hormonal level, and not taking the responsibility, for how they grow!..what they do...who it hurts...and to what end? My, how art imitates life!" Certain masses of people just don't trust those people, nor their agenda, who have that track record...and still justifies it, especially when they see their tactics. That wasn't so hard was it? You know what else you got fucked up along the way? You can't tell who your friends are...those who you try to impress, don't care. ...and this is the short version. Give my regards to the crickets and frogs. Or send in the hand puppet. Others...you're out of you depth. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 13 - 07:52 PM Another day has passed... I went to Charlotte to hunt a used refrigerator and take in a good movie, "20 feet from Stardom"... Then come back to the usual... I see that the usual Grand Wizard has posted 2 or 3 hundred more posts??? Pathetic and insane... My buddy, GfinS, posted one too long to read... You know, the usual... BTW, how many of you experts have any martial arts training??? Seems that your spin doesn't jive with the real world... In other words??? Ya'll are guessin' and guessin' badly... Please guess better in the future... Ya'll sound beyond ignorant on real fighting... Now back to the Grand Wizard's back to back to back to back posting as if that will make him correct??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 13 - 05:42 PM Like I said, "puerile". Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 05:33 PM Oh, and take Don T and Greggie F with you...maybe they can hold the clothespins...and collect milk money...just don't let them speak, or you'll blow your whole cover! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 05:26 PM Don Firth: " In the meantime, Bobert and I are a couple of those "So-Called Liberals" who is working for change in the real, 3-D world, not just cutting-and-pasting from racist blogs." Oh Good!..I'm impressed....run along now...and work on making things from bad to worse, with your bankster sponsors in control! GfS P.S. Crackpot! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don Firth Date: 23 Jul 13 - 05:17 PM I find absolutely fascinating the amount of time, energy, and obvious emotional investment that Beardedbruce puts into supporting a racist bias in this highly controversial matter. And the puerile but mindless "me too"-ism of people like GUST from Insanity. It certainly gives you the measure of their minds and character. In the meantime, Bobert and I are a couple of those "So-Called Liberals" who is working for change in the real, 3-D world, not just cutting-and-pasting from racist blogs. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 05:10 PM More nothing..as usual...sign me up, I'm all for nothing..let's call it a political view!..Maybe we can get members by getting people to hate each other...let's vote on it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 13 - 05:05 PM Dodge and weave & weasel as much as you want, BullshitBruce- but you haven't answered or enen tried to address the questions. As per usual. Just more horseshit, piled higher and deeper. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM Bruce, that has been a tactic for a long time...making asinine protest claims and pretending to be from the 'other side'. It is common in campaigns as well...and then you have the ones who are on the 'left', pretending to be on the 'right'..who are really ON the 'right'! ..AND VICE VERSE!...and think they do the 'nation' or their 'cause' service. The problem is that they CANNOT make statements, or take stands that stand up on their own merit..and so resort to 'trickery'...and the most ironic thing is, after pulling that off, the people who believed their bullshit, don't think that the same people are actually working on behalf of THEIR(the dumbfucks who believed them) true interests..and not shills for the banksters, who have an vested interest in causing all the unrest in the first place!!! Problem is, government laws, or ideological extremes, and radicals, seem to disregard that they CANNOT regulate the minds, hearts, thoughts and motives of the individuals, who they all want to 'control'...they just want control...and ARE LYING ABOUT IT ALL THE WAY!!!...and then want to be TRUSTED!!!! OK..I''m convinced, you got a better way...(rolls eyes)! Whip me..beat me..do a tap dance on my face with high heels..lie to me..make me write bad checks...but love me!! Good fucking grief! You listening wannabe activists???? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:34 PM Don, And you have brought up Dr. Goebbels and supporting Muslims, like he did... so my statement about your Nazi tendencies is as valid as your about what I think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,SJL Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:22 PM Now, correct me if I'm wrong but her allegations ring true, his do not- at all! Looks like he's been at this game a long time. Posing as a victim when he's really the aggressor. Bogus tales of self-defense have worked for George everytime apparently: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-domestic So this woman attacked him with a baseball bat and bit him on the cheek? Sure George, keep 'em coming! Btw, I'd like to give that doggie a treat and a nice little pat on the head. Good dog! Smarter than the six women they had on that jury. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:22 PM In fairness I should allow that there are others as bad. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:21 PM Is THIS what you are talking about??? "Generally, the Justice Department is reluctant to get involved in cases that have already been tried before a state jury, in part because of concerns about double jeopardy. Perhaps the best-known example where federal prosecutors did intervene was the case of four police officers acquitted after a California state trial in the beating of motorist Rodney King, which triggered deadly riots in the Los Angeles area in 1992. Two of the four officers were convicted in federal court of violating King's rights, but that case differs from Zimmerman's because they were acting as sworn law enforcement officials, not as a private citizen claiming self-defense. In contrast, the Justice Department declined to prosecute New York Police Department officers after they were acquitted in the 2006 shootings of three men including Sean Bell, who was fatally wounded the morning of his planned wedding. The short Justice Department statement — issued in 2010, four years after the shooting — simply said there was insufficient evidence to proceed. "Neither accident, mistake, fear, negligence nor bad judgment is sufficient to establish a federal criminal civil rights violation," the department said in the Bell case." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:21 PM ""Actually, a recent study showed Bangledesh, Hong Kong, Malasia, Singapore and Indonesia as the most xenophobic countries in the world."" There's a world of difference between xenophobia (fear of foreigners) and internal racism involving those who share your nationality from birth and ancestry, but have skin of a different colour. In that the only countries worse than the Southern US are Rwanda and Darfur. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:16 PM ""It doesn't bother Don T...he just hides behind a cloak of stupidity..you can't get mad at him...only feel sorry for his condition!. Being thought stupid by you is almost a guarantee of being correct, you egregious ass. Kindly go forth and raffle yourself! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:12 PM ""3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free."" It was I believe your post which linked the Rodney King acquittal with the Zimmerman case, in a clear indication that no further investigation is justified. Since you linked the cases by posting that cut and paste, it seems clear enough that you sre not bothered by EITHER result. If that is not the case, then show what you claim to be the real purpose of posting it! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM 1. I do not claim to be an expert about Dreyfus- but that is not under US law. Should I ask where you comment on the laws against Jews in Germany? ALL of them were legal- but morally wrong. What is wrong with US law as presented in this case? Did the prosecution prove that Zimmerman stalked Martin? NO Did the prosecution prove that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life? NO 2. Had Martin been Jewish, and thrown the first punch, I would feel the same as I do about Martin. Zimmerman , by a reasonble standard, was not proven to have done anything illegal. As the jury determined, the prosecution never proved anything beyond self defense. Had Zimmerman been black, and Martin a white Jew, given the evidence I would feel the same as I do now. I judge by the actions of a man, not the color of his skin, as you and Bobert obviously do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:55 PM REFRESH: Date: 20 Jul 13 - 09:45 AM The "jury had spoken" in the Captain Alfred Dreyfus case too, and the verdict had huge public support. Wonder how Beardy views the Dreyfus affair? So, BullshitBruce: What say you? You also never responded to how you would view the case had Martin been Jewish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:50 PM Thjat's right, PeeDee its them dam eastern yellow-devil slanty-eyed wogs. No good whasoever. Les than human, right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: pdq Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:48 PM "Japan, just for example, is probably the most racist "modern" society in the world, yet we never hear a word about it. ~ bb Actually, a recent study showed Bangledesh, Hong Kong, Malasia, Singapore and Indonesia as the most xenophobic countries in the world. Note: like Japan, all are Asian. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 01:17 PM http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/busted-left-wing-plant-at-houston-pro-zimmerman-rally-is-far-left-activist/ About waht we can expect from Bobert and friends... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:55 PM Or do you join Bobert and greggie in demanding a private set of rules that apply to others, and not yourself. You can pretend to be an Ubermensch, like Bobert, but that does not mean others will listen to your demands for special rules. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:54 PM Look Bobert, (and other wannabe -'so-calleds', calling people on here the 'MudcatKKK' is about as absolutely stupid and childish as calling you a Pol Pot devotee. You think, or claim, or something like that, that white on black crimes are the epidemic of the age. Well guess what?...93..got that?..93% of murders of blacks are black on black crimes....but you don't give a shit!..NOR are you crusading to stop, or stem that tide...nor do you give a rat's ass about Chicanos killing other Chicanos...or gang violence, or thefts, or the disproportionate number of fatherless black children, and abortions to blacks..where is YOUR crusade about ANY of that???...and none of that shit is caused by whites, reds, yellows, browns or even pinks..(but they all dig da' blues), oops, drifting here.....surely there is something REAL you could be doing for them, besides trying to generate hate, bias, bigotry or any other name you want to call it, in the geriatrics ward of the internet! You'd think, that in our time on the planet, that wisdom, whatever we let settle, like dust on our head and shoulders, would be able to cause better, than bitching at each other..just to get some sort of deranged satisfaction of proving a pointless point. So what??(as Hillary Bush said)...so, as everybody jumps up and agrees with you, and you feel GREAT that you proved your point..then everybody goes to another topic to bitch about something else..meanwhile DOING NOTHING, about something that they had nothing to do with, in the first place!!! Personally, I don't think there is a person in here, that 'hates', discriminates or is in any way fucking with blacks at all...nor any other race or ethnic group. It just ain't happening. Bruce does his cut and paste bit, from sources that a lot of you would be to lazy to even look up, and you guys just bash the shit out of him, for NO fucking reason. You ought to read the posts, and check out what he is saying..OR at least research parts you have questions about, or disagree with....other than the inane crap that comes from the likes of Greg. How come his ignorance doesn't bother you??? You guys agree with each other, he never posts an intelligent post countering anything, just calls stupid and bigoted names at Bruce, including anti Semitic remarks, and you agree with him...you sure don't admonish him for exhibiting the bigotry that you say, that blacks are dealing with..and Greg's the poster boy for making the 'so-called' left look like a bunch of stupid fucking Obamanoid idiots! ..Speaking of which, you jump all over Zimmerman for 'lying'..but when Obama does it, you get wet dreams! So is it 'lying' that really bothers you? It doesn't bother Don T...he just hides behind a cloak of stupidity..you can't get mad at him...only feel sorry for his condition!...along with that other iconic heap of crap on wheels..people who just stir up anything that gnaws away at the fabric of a civilized people, just to ram some notion of aligning themselves with the wondrous deeds of Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, and Rockefeller! Now if you want to claim real stupidity, just froth and foam, that you can't make sense of all this...it will show your lack of an ability to connect the dots. Maybe instead of scanning through something, just to see if there is something to blather about, to make no point, try getting inside it...it might make sense in a way that might seem 'new' to you...it might be a breath of fresh air! ..and by the way, you think I'm being 'weird' about this? You guys are the ones that people are calling 'the usual suspects'.. and the 'usual bunch of name callers'...give it a thought.(Greg and Don T excluded, I don't want them to get a head ache and suffer a brain hemorrhage. The doctors would never be able to find the damage... GfS P.S. ..at least it was 'pithy'.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:53 PM "Well Doctor Goebbels, you post one anti Muslim comment of mine or shut the fuck up." Waiting on you to shut up first- show me one thing I have posted to justify "3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free." Or continue to wear that swastika. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM ""Should I give details on how much support you have given to the Nazis?, and how you support their actions against Moslims and foreign nationals?"" Well Doctor Goebbels, you post one anti Muslim comment of mine or shut the fuck up. I have supported Muslims throughout this forum against the anti Muslim Keith A, and that is a FACT you prick! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:33 PM Another outpouring of specious bollocks from the champion of white supremacist cut and paste. The Zimmerman trial ended in acquittal under the legal system current in the US, and under that system, the jury had no option but to acknowledge reasonable doubt, and acquit. The legal system works fine when that jury is cognisant of ALL EVIDENCE RELEVANT TO THEIR DELIBERATIONS! In the Zimmerman trial, this was emphatically not the case. Evidence of Martin's prior character and attitudes was allowed without hesitation by the judge, to be presented to the jury. Similar evidence about Zimmerman's antecedents was, with equal alacrity, hidden from them. Such evidence, of his previous violent nature and record of domestic violence and assault on police, could not fail to have given pause to the jury's belief in his sincerity and honesty. Both were pertinent to the jury's perception of events, but they were not permitted to know. While a defendant's previous criminal convictions cannot (rightly) be permitted to influence juries and so is inadmissible, evidence of character and attitude cannot be justly excluded, unless such evidence about the victim is also excluded. This was not the case. Trayvon Martin was the victim, not only of an overambitious vigilante, but also of the hangover of the Jim Crow society which would never allow a white man to be punished for killing a black. There is no other possible reason for the skewing of the case put before the jury, by excluding anything that would cast doubt on Zimmerman's unsupported version of events, while painting his victim as a drug using thug. The degree of bias in that is too obvious to ignore, as is the fact that Zimmerman chose not to testify in court, being either terrified of being cross examined, or terrified of showing his real self to the jury. An honest man would not have feared testifying. A murderer walks free by special dispensation from White America, and Bruce can cut and paste all the thinly veiled anti black propaganda he likes. It will not alter the truth. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:16 PM Don, YOU state: 3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free. Care to back that up? Or are you too much of a scumbag to justify your lies? Should I give details on how much support you have given to the Nazis?, and how you support their actions against Moslims and foreign nationals? I have as much evidence as you do of your accusation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:12 PM A mixed-martial arts (MMA) trainer testified for the defense on Monday that George Zimmerman "didn't know how to really effectively punch" even though he had trained the former neighborhood watchmen for over a year. "He was just physically soft," Adam Pollock told the court. "He was an overweight, large man when he came to us, and very pleasant — a very nice man, but physically soft. He was predominately fat, not a lot of muscle, not a lot of strength." Under cross-examination, Pollock admitted that Zimmerman could have lost as much as 80 pounds and had a body mass index as low as 16 percent at the time that he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/08/zimmermans-mixed-martial-arts-trainer-testifies-he-was-physically-soft/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:08 PM Just another episode of Beardy Blogarrhoea, Don. He apparently can't help spreading irrelevant horseshit by the truckload. Dont let it bother ya. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:06 PM "Zimmerman who was a mixed martial artist would have known" Your evidence of this? The testimony of the person that Zimmerman went to to be evaluted for said training said he was a 0.5 on a scale of 1 to 10. He was never trained. What does this say about Don? Liberals lie even when there is no need- they must like to do it. I have to judge all liberals by the ones here, since no "liberal" ever disagrees with them or holds them to account for their lies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:06 PM "Zimmerman who was a mixed martial artist would have known" Your evidence of this? The testimony of the person that Zimmerman went to to be evaluted for said training said he was a 0.5 on a scale of 1 to 10. He was never trained. What does this say about Don? Liberals lie even when there is no need- they must like to do it. I have to judge all liberals by the ones here, since no "liberal" ever disagrees with them or holds them to account for their lies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:52 AM ""Martin initially was punching, then started pounding- at which point Zimmerman, in fear of being killed, pulled out the gun and fired one time. That is in accord with all testimony."" 1. Not Zimmerman's testimony on the night of the murder, when memory was fresh. IF Zimmerman mentioned the change from bashing his head against the concrete, to MMA pounding, it wasn't until after the witness made that statement to police, which the defence would have known. 2. If that were the case, Zimmerman who was a mixed martial artist would have known just how to counter and would no longer have had reason to fear serious harm or death. 3. Bruce seems to think that Rodney King's attackers should hhave got off scot free. What does that tell you about Bruce? Don T. Domn T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:36 AM Justice Department lawyers should not attempt to prosecute George Zimmerman for the death of Trayvon Martin.They likely won't succeed, and would probably compound the awful precedent set by the state of Florida in pursuing this case over objections from the lead criminal investigator, police chief and the community's prosecutor. These missteps were followed with a decision to bypass a grand jury. All the safeguards protecting Americans from political or unwarranted prosecution were missing, allowing this train-wreck of a case to proceed. If the feds follow suit, they will head down the same path of an unjustified prosecution – re-establishing, nationally, a practice not seen since Woodrow Wilson pursued his political goals through abusing federal prosecutorial authority. Wilson's use of the Espionage and Sedition Acts to arrest and silence critics as well as the media rolled back the clock on constitutional rights. Like Wilson era abuses, today's Justice Department must distort the meaning of hate crime statutes to charge Zimmerman. First, prosecutors lack a definitive finding that Zimmerman is, in fact, a racist. After interviewing 35 people – including co-workers, neighbors and even an ex-girlfriend – an FBI investigation failed to find proof that Zimmerman's actions were racially motivated on the night Martin died. [See a collection of editorial cartoons on the Trayvon Martin tragedy.] Even the so-called profiling issue disintegrates upon closer review. The lead detective in the case told the FBI that Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin because of his clothing and the time of day – not Martin's ethnicity. With its own investigatory arm already doubting any racial animosity, it makes prosecuting the matter as a hate crime extremely hard. But it gets harder. The next hurdle requires finding Zimmerman's specific intent to kill Martin. The jury in Sanford established Zimmerman was acting in self-defense when his gun discharged. Zimmerman intended to protect himself from death or great bodily harm. With murder in the second degree and manslaughter on the table, jurors found Zimmerman not guilty of both. While not dispositive, it creates a difficult hurdle to overcome. Finally, unlike the judge who all but embraced the prosecution of Zimmerman, a federal judge is likely to be truly neutral. Recognizing the importance of protecting all citizens, federal courts will review any new charge with a jaundiced eye. Evidentiary rulings and a host of procedural hurdles would likely make the case stillborn at the earliest stages. Issues from Martin's use of the term "cracker," testimony from unreliable witnesses and Martin's drug impairment at the time of the incident will be far more relevant in federal court. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:35 AM "A federal prosecution against George Zimmerman would violate civil rights under the guise of enforcing them, a betrayal of the justice system that is supposed to be our refuge from politicized law-enforcement. The state trial in Florida elucidated that concocting a murder case out of the tragic shooting death of Trayvon Martin, in the face of compelling evidence that Zimmerman acted in justifiable self-defense, substituted demagogic racial politics for proof. The jury properly rejected the prosecution's shoddy case, which was bereft of the requisite demonstration of intent to commit murder and had no answer for Zimmerman's well-corroborated claim that Martin attacked and severely beat him. Though it is hard to imagine, a federal civil rights indictment would be even more frivolous than the state murder charge. It would suffer from all the same insufficiencies: Zimmerman's lack of intent to harm Martin physically and the inability to refute compelling self-defense evidence. But that would only be the start of the Justice Department's problems. [See a collection of editorial cartoons on the Trayvon Martin tragedy.] In the criminal context, federal civil rights law imposes even tougher burdens for prosecutors when it comes to mens rea – i.e., proof of criminal intent. The government would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt not only that Zimmerman intended to inflict physical harm on Martin but that he also did so out of racial bias. There is not a scintilla of evidence that Zimmerman has ever been a racist, much less that racism played any part in the shooting. After hearing all the prosecution's evidence, the Florida jury concluded that race was irrelevant to the case. And reportedly, the FBI has been unable to uncover any indications of racism, despite an extensive investigation of Zimmerman. Racism is the prism through which the Left would convert this tragedy into a morality play. It defies reality." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:23 AM http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-the-justice-department-pursue-a-civil-rights-case-against-george-zimmerman Several reasonable discussions- being reasonable, I am sure that Bobert and Greggie will use their usual tactics ( approved by liberal everywhere!) of attacking me or the writers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 11:18 AM So, before we flagellate ourselves over the Zimmerman case, let's take an objective look at how we compare – racially – to the rest of the world. Big surprise here – there is no comparison! And, to my doubting liberal friends and others, I ask you to – as I have done – go live (not just travel) outside our country for a while, in the East or the West. See how other nations around the world have dealt with racial issues. In short, most of them 1) haven't and 2) don't. Some examples: Japan, just for example, is probably the most racist "modern" society in the world, yet we never hear a word about it. Don't believe me? Go there and see, Jesse and Al. Most minority races in Europe still live mostly in racially and ethnically segregated ghettos; and there is very little assimilation/integration of the races. Jesse and Al: Go to Germany, just for example, and see. There is no such thing as "affirmative action" anywhere but here. Religious and gender oppression/persecution is the rule in most Middle Eastern countries following strict Muslim religious rules. So, I would urge Jesse and Al to go there and see – just for example – how the Christian minorities are doing, whatever their race or ethnicity. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/07/22/trayvon-martin-and-racism-at-home-and-abroad |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:56 AM by Megan Gannon, News Editor 3 hours ago SocietyShooting of Trayvon Martin . View gallery George Zimmerman claimed he was acting in self-defense when he shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black … The American public is divided, largely along racial and political lines, over George Zimmerman's acquittal and the conversation it has sparked about race, according to a new poll. The survey by the Pew Research Center drew from phone interviews with 1,480 adults across the nation conducted July 17-21. Overall, 42 percent of respondents said they are dissatisfied with Zimmerman's not-guilty verdict in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, compared with 39 percent who said they are satisfied, and 19 percent who offered no opinion. About half (52 percent) said the issue of race is getting too much attention in the aftermath of the trial, while 36 percent think the case is generating a necessary discussion about race. http://news.yahoo.com/wide-racial-gap-reaction-zimmerman-verdict-112952910.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: beardedbruce Date: 23 Jul 13 - 10:36 AM Seems like Bobert doesn't have a clue what happened... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Bobert Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:19 AM Yes, of course Mud-KKK would rather just move on... This was the case after lynchings in the South back then... "Move along, people... Nothing to see here", they say... Problem is that there is something to see here and millions of people ain't going to just let the KKK have its way in 2013... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Greg F. Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:16 AM george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue You bet Beardy, the post-trial white-washing campaign has begun. Pretty soon they'll start a campaign to canonize him. This whole incident couldn't possibly have been stage-managed by the County Sheriff, who wouldn't arrest Zimmerman in the first place, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Elmore Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:12 AM Sorry, please ignore the above childish stupid post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Zimmerman defense-' Evidence withheld' From: Elmore Date: 23 Jul 13 - 09:08 AM Was he packing heat? |
