BS: Demise of the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 06:27 PM

Bobad - no surprises that the quotes you will find to post on the Report are inevitably biased against Labour...

How many would reached first draft before the contents of the report was even made public...???

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 06:04 PM

Talk about cloud-cuckoo land...😂

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 04:29 PM

The Chakrabarti Inquiry is a vague, meaningless whitewash that will do nothing to rid Labour of antisemitism

Today, the Chakrabarti Inquiry into antisemitism in the Labour Party presented what it set out to present: a narrow set of recommendations on how the Labour Party should change its rules on racism.

The Inquiry did not examine the disgraceful cases of antisemitism in the Labour Party, or their even more disgraceful mishandling by the Party leadership, including Jeremy Corbyn who presides over a regime of the lightest slaps on wrists for even the most offensive and deliberate antisemites.

Inexcusably, the Inquiry proposes making it harder to suspend antisemites and keeping suspensions secret so as not to affect elections. Additionally the Inquiry dismisses any claims of antisemitism arising from sharing a stage with antisemites, and suggests that any antisemitic incident coming to light after more than two years should not be considered — a limitation period so short it has no parallel in any other disciplinary regime that we are aware of.

Apart from imploring Labour activists to stop calling Jews 'Zios' or accusing them of supporting Nazi policies, this Inquiry is a vague, meaningless whitewash that will do nothing to rid Labour of antisemitism or address the total absence of leadership it has shown on this issue.

As if to emphasise how far the Labour party are from dealing with their antisemitism problem, Jeremy Corbyn, during the launch, compared Israel to ISIS, and failed to intervene to defend a Jewish MP who left the event in tears after being very publicly racially abused by a Labour activist.

The Chakrabarti Inquiry has avoided addressing the well-documented postwar re-emergence of an insidious antisemitism of the 'progressive' Left, merely encouraging Labour members to not use abusive words. Instead of helping the Labour Party regain trust, this report will further harm its reputation in the Jewish community, as well as in the wider world.

Campaign Against Antisemitism

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 03:44 PM

"The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse."
Quite - how many 2 - 22 - 200 -2000 no number mentioned
FRiom the contact I have had with the Labour party one case would be appalling
Every single aspect of your cut-'n-paste has been covered in my last post - it is a serious matter to be accused of Antisemitism - your own post proves my point.
Baroness Jan Royal found no evidence whatever of widespread antisemitism - done and dusted
What point are you trying to make - that the was wrong?
Perhaps we might look at how the same problem was handled in the Tory Party
"Conservatives have a choice. Do they go down in history as those who spoke out, or those who shamefully and cowardly remained silent - or even supported this disgrace? These are not Facebook posts shared by oddball bigoted party activists and councillors. There is no Tory inquiry into anti-Muslim prejudice, just as there was no inquiry into Tory mayor and leadership frontrunner Boris Johnson attacking Barack Obama through his "half-Kenyan ancestry" or describing black people as "piccaninnies" or bandydng around "watermelon smiles" or publishing articles, while editor of the Spectator, suggesting black people have lower IQs. This whole campaign is sanctioned and orchestrated by the very top of the Conservative party. No excuses. No hiding places. Speak out now, like other decent Tories have done - or be damned by history."
TORY RACISM
Do you know what the result of the Tory Party's enquiry into racism came up with???
Thye haven't even announced they are even arsed about the behaviour of the front runner for the post of Prime Minister's racism - a bit like making someone responsible for massacring 3'500 unarmed refugees Prime Minister of Israel.
"They need to define what constitutes anti-Semitism"
Easy- peasey - any criticism of Israel according to her Minister for Justice - Rabbis, soldiers, Holocuast survivors and their families.......
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 03:03 PM

including anti-Semitism

They need to define what constitutes anti-Semitism as it's too easy to slime out by using euphemisms and code words, as is widely evident.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 02:25 PM

Jim,
The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for. Jeremy introduced a new code of conduct for the party, which states:

"The Labour Party is an anti-racist party, committed to combating and campaigning against all forms of racism….Labour will not tolerate racism in any form inside or outside the party….Any behaviour or use of language which targets or intimidates members of ethnic or religious communities or incites racism, including anti-Semitism…or undermines Labour's ability to campaign against any form of racism, is unacceptable".

Anti-Semitism inquiry

Jeremy Corbyn then introduced Baroness Jan Royall, who has conducted two recent investigations into specific allegations of anti-Semitism, and Shami Chakrabarti, who will be chairing a wider ranging inquiry looking at anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue and is committed to addressing all the issues raised by these inquiries."

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 02:12 PM

bonzo 3 legs is a right wing pot stirrer my advice to him is to jump off beachy head

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 01:55 PM

"It was and is a fact."
No it is not - it took the accusation seriously, as it should have, but the only people to claim there was an actual problem were direectly connected with the Israeli propaganda campaign.
You were asked to produce sources for you claims you ignored requests to do so and you still have not produced them

This is actually what the NEC said
"The NEC are appalled by recent cases of antisemitic abuse. Antisemitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for. Jeremy introduced a new code of conduct for the party, which states:"
REPORT
No mention of large numbers, no widespread concern.
In a socialist party, half a dozen racists would be "appalling"
You have deliberately attempted to make this a widespread problem, why wouldn't you, you are a right wing pro Israeli extremist who hates Muslims enough to have described them as cultural prone to pedophilia.
There is no major problem, there has never been a major problem - the main problem Labour has IS THAT IT IS UNDER ATTACK FROM ISRAELI PROPAGANDA
Your own cut and paste reads of minority hateful or ignorant attitudes - a major problem, my arse
Stop making things up – it doesn't make for good debate
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 11:55 AM

"You have nothing against the party" eh, cheat? So why did you post a pathetic, unfunny little play on words in Keith's thread, viz "Wither the Labour Party?" Regular little comedian, aren't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 11:39 AM

Jim,
Yo implied there was by inventing "large numbers of Labour people, including their NEC who were claiming there was a problem - there were so such numbers - you invented it.

It was and is a fact.
"The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for."
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

The recent enquiry established that there was not a problem

It established that there was!
page 1
"there is too much clear evidence (going back some years) of minority hateful or ignorant attitudes and
behaviours festering within a sometimes bitter incivility of discourse. This has no place in a modern
democratic socialist party that puts equality, inclusion and human rights at its heart. Moreover, I have
heard too many Jewish voices express concern that antisemitism has not been taken seriously enough
in the Labour Party and broader Left for some years.
An occasionally toxic atmosphere is in danger of shutting down free speech within the Party rather
than facilitating it, and is understandably utilised by its opponents."

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 11:37 AM

and why you have such an obsession with the UK Labour Party...???

I have nothing against the party, as a matter of fact I am in agreement with most of it's policies, it's anti-Semites and friends of terrorist groups that I have a problem with.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 11:23 AM

Labour Apologizes After Corbyn Seems to Compare Israel, Radical Islamic Groups

U.K. opposition party reaches out to Israeli envoy in London to 'unequivocally' apologize for ' unacceptable remarks,' Israel says.

Ha'aretz

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 10:55 AM

"I distinctly remember the poster you are obsessing over stating that he/she was a regular member who was going to post anonymously to thwart those mentally defective obsessives who become fixated on the individual rather than the content of their post."

The "poster I'm obsessing over" is you. The time for pathetic pretence is over. How typical of you to try to dishonestly distance yourself. You were investigated by the mods after all my "obsessing" and it was confirmed that you were the anonymous Guest who called some of us Jew-haters and who waded in frequently with vile Islamophobic bigotry. And no-one is "fixated" on you, believe me (I can't think of anything I'd want to do less, so don't flatter yourself). We are "fixated" on trying to get you to grow up and stop spewing out hate speech. You are very fortunate that the mods around here are so indulgent, frankly. Anyway, how brave of you to call people who don't agree with you "mentally defective" whilst acting as bobad instead of Guest. Bet that made your head spin.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 10:50 AM

.. ok.. I've just missed a train, so I've a few spare minutes to put this together....

PURE SPECULATION: [no more, no less]

Angela Seagull postponed her leadership bid announcement to allow Corbyn more time to fall on his sword...

Actually, in the heat of over excitement, her advisors remembered yesterday was the day for publicising the Chakrabarti report,
which allowed more opportunity for other's to heap further discredit on Corbyn's Leadership,
pressurising him into resignation...

Perhaps, awareness that the Chief Rabbi's PR team were already preparing to exploit any word they could pounce on in Corbyn's speech,
may have been an additional factor....????

..and today is the Somme Remembrance.
No decent politician would be selfish enough to conduct distracting business on such a sombre occasion...


Not that it mattered at all to Gove.....

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 10:50 AM

.. ok.. I've just missed a train, so I've a few spare minutes to put this together....

PURE SPECULATION: [no more, no less]

Angela Seagull postponed her leadership bid announcement to allow Corbyn more time to fall on his sword...

Actually, in the heat of over excitement, her advisors remembered yesterday was the day for publicising the Chakrabarti report,
which allowed more opportunity for other's to heap further discredit on Corbyn's Leadership,
pressurising him into resignation...

Perhaps, awareness that the Chief Rabbi's PR team were already preparing to exploit any word they could pounce on in Corbyn's speech,
may have been an additional factor....????

..and today is the Somme Remembrance.
No decent politician would be selfish enough to conduct distracting business on such a sombre occasion...


Not that it mattered at all to Gove.....

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 10:18 AM

Bob - no it's a straight question - steve suggests you're 13, and I think you're older than me.. Im 57...

Surely, an easy neutral question to answer honestly...

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 10:05 AM

Hello bobad, how old are you ?... conjecture ranges from 13 upwards...

How clever of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 09:37 AM

"but isn't the founder of momentum, and political supporter of Corbyn, a prominent jew....????"
Jon_Lansman
His statements make sense to me - unlike you, there are no hysterical shrieks of "Antisemitism" whenever somebody criticises Israel.
Many Jews are vociferous critics of Israel - all written of as "self-hating Jews"
Jim Carroll
"Labour, Israel, Palestinians and Jews[edit]
Lansman was interviewed by The Jewish Chronicle in January 2016. He was asked about attitudes to Israel in the Labour Party and the attitudes of Jews towards it: "Yes, of course the vast majority of British Jews are supportive of Israel as a Jewish state – and actually so is Jeremy – but they are far from supportive of all aspects of what is currently happening there", he said. "I think Jews in Britain want peace too. I think Jeremy's message of fairness for the Palestinians is not something that will be rejected by the Jewish community."[3]
At the end of April 2016, after long-standing Corbyn ally Ken Livingstone had made comments which led to his suspension from Labour Party membership, Lansman was quoted as saying: "A period of silence from Ken Livingstone is overdue, especially on antisemitism, racism and Zionism. It's time he left politics altogether."[19] A few days later, in early May, he wrote on the Left Futures blog that the use of the term Zionist to describe supporters of the government in Israel was "counter-productive". He cited one poll in which a larger majority of British Jews, 71%, favoured a Palestinian state, and 75% opposed the Israeli settlements, while only 68% identified as Zionists.[20] A "rational debate about how to change the terms of the current debate" requires, in Lansman opinion, an acknowledgement "that people on the left may also demonstrate some prejudice of their own."[20]"

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 09:33 AM

bobad - remind us which country you live in [I have a vague recollection from some older thread it might be Canada?]

and why you have such an obsession with the UK Labour Party...???

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 09:32 AM

he thought the most appropriate thing that he could say was to compare Israel with Isil

Which, Boo, he did not do. Obviously Mr.Pollard has his head up his arse, same as you.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 09:26 AM

Spot on observation from Stephen Pollard in The Telegraph:

"One might say that the irony that he was launching a report condemning inappropriate comparisons with Israel was lost on him. But, as I will explain, it wasn't lost at all; it was deliberate. Some have tried to argue that his words do not compare Israel with Isil. You have to wonder if they can read. His point is that both Israel and Isil are extremists, terrorists, call them what you will. And while Muslims are decent because they do not support Isil's actions, so too Jews are decent when they do not support Israel. And, of course, only when they do not support Israel.

You could describe this as cloth-eared, or even stupid – and since he became Labour leader, the narrative has usually been that Mr Corbyn isn't up to the job, doesn't get it, isn't really to be taken seriously. But that is to give him credit he does not deserve.

The truth is far more unsavoury. It's clear from his speech that for Jeremy Corbyn, anti-Semitism is something to be weaponised. This was not some off-the-cuff remark, some slip. These were his – or probably Seumas Milne's – considered words. At a meeting on anti-Semitism, he thought the most appropriate thing that he could say was to compare Israel with Isil. This is hard-Left dog whistle politics. With "anti-Zionism" a defining feature of the hard-Left, this is using anti-Semitism as a tool."

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 08:52 AM

Hello bobad, how old are you ?... conjecture ranges from 13 upwards...

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 08:48 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't the founder of momentum, and political supporter of Corbyn, a prominent jew....????

Can't remember if bob 'n' keith ever actively quoted his informed opinions...????

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 08:44 AM

I distinctly remember the poster you are obsessing over stating that he/she was a regular member who was going to post anonymously to thwart those mentally defective obsessives who become fixated on the individual rather than the content of their post.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 08:25 AM

We have enough liars here without you joining their ranks, akenaton, thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 07:30 AM

"Who said there was?"
Yo implied there was by inventing "large numbers of Labour people, including their NEC who were claiming there was a problem - there were so such numbers - you invented it.
Your "prominent people" amounted to either supporters of the Israeli propaganda campaign or those who saw the problem as an accusation which needed dealing with - at no time has there been anybody claiming there to be a serious problem with Antisemitism within Labour
There is no serious problem with Antisemitism within the Labour Party, there has never been such a problem, Jews helped to establish the Labour Party, may of them remain members and hold senior positions - they would not continue to do so if there was a serios problem.
The recent enquiry established that there was not a problem
The "problem" has been engineered by the Israeli propaganda campaign to cover up its own behaviour - you know this, which is why yo have attempted to have it removed from this discussion and refuse to respond to it yourself
If there are "examples of hateful ignorance" that has been generated by Israel's claiming that the atrocities that they have committed are either "Jewish" or have been carried out on behalf of the Jewish People - whoever committed them, they are atrocities.
The Conservative Party is the traditional home of Antisemitism.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 07:19 AM

Sorry Akenaton you are wrong. The Muskets never made any secret of the fact that 3 of them posted under the same name. If anything they enjoyed the confusion it may have caused to some people on here.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 07:12 AM

"They made no secret of it"........after the shits had been found out!

All water under the bridge now of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 06:56 AM

What a stupid post, Keith, even for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 06:46 AM

There is a VAST difference between "having to educate themselves a little bit" and "hateful ignorance"

Well in all minds except those that are blinkered of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 06:19 AM

I did, stated often in your silly thread, that there is no institutional antisemitism in the party

Who said there was?
I repeated what prominent Labour people said, that there was a problem within the party.

but there are people who need to educate themselves a little before opening their big mouths.

Exactly. Examples of hateful ignorance from members on the left, as I claimed and you denied Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 05:54 AM

The report doesn't even mention our names. Actually, it came to the exact same conclusion as I did, stated often in your silly thread, that there is no institutional antisemitism in the party but there are people who need to educate themselves a little before opening their big mouths. Go on, it's your thread, go and find it so that it will help you to stop telling lies. That thread was your attempt to smear the Labour Party with second-hand accusations of antisemitism. Your mission was to open a Pandora's box for the right-wing bigots here to go to town on Labour. You must think we're thick or something. Well we're not and we can see straight through you.

My "late friends" are far from dead. They made absolutely no secret of the fact that three of them were using the same pseudonym. I didn't like that any more than you did, and I said so, but if you think that is the same thing as one person posting secretly under two identities, then you're seriously deluded.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 04:00 AM

Steve,
Keith never mentions the extremely strong and healthy Labour Friends Of Israel

Jim did. He dismissed their views on this.

The report said that Labour was not "overrun" by antisemitism.
No-one said it was, in the media or here.
We said there was a problem, you and Jim denied it, but now the report says you were wrong and we were right.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 03:42 AM

"I am definitely not a member of a party that allies itself with anti-semitic"
Nor is anybody else here, I don't think there are too many Conservatives who post to these threads.
It is they who have either supported or kept silent about Israel's war crimes and mass murder, I've never heard that party condemn Sabra/Shatila, or try to persuade Apartheid South Asrical to acquire nuclear weapons, or drive Bedouins on to poison filled rubbish dumps....
Describing critics of Israel as 'antisemitic' implicates the entire Jewish People in all of the crimes Israel has ever committed - you are a rabid and bilious antisemite - the most vociferous that has ever posted to this forum.
I could suggest a party you would feel comfortable - begins with a B, end with a P.
"I note that Shami Chakrabarti is a member of the Labour Party."
I've always noticed that the most prominent cut-'n-pastes you have ever put up come from rabidly racist racist extremist forums such as Jihad Watch - was Muslim Watch or The White Supremist or Gatestone
You appear to be arguing that organisations such as these are to be believed rather than the conclusions of a representative of a democratically elected British political party - do we have that right?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Jul 16 - 03:28 AM

You were quite happy with that when it was regularly practiced by your late friends Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 08:37 PM

And, Greg, this is the bloke who the mods defend. A bigot and a forum cheat, hiding behind two identities at once, who calls people names whilst bleating pathetically about his right to be anonymous so that "we'll address the issue, not the man." They do say that scum always manages to rise to the top. I think we have the evidence here.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 08:10 PM

Same old spew, Boo.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 05:54 PM

I am definitely not a member of a party that allies itself with anti-semitic, genocidal, terrorist groups.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 03:47 PM

Unlike you, Shami is far and away one of the most respected and fair-minded citizens of this country and you, being the cheating little scumbag you are, are completely unworthy to even mention her name, let alone try to smear her as you've just done. Tell us, what party are you a member of, cheat?

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 03:37 PM

I note that Shami Chakrabarti's report did not find Labour to be awash with racism,

I note that Shami Chakrabarti is a member of the Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 03:22 PM

Israeli propaganda campaign

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 03:18 PM

Quite so, Jim. Keith never mentions the extremely strong and healthy Labour Friends Of Israel (good luck to 'em - no objection from me, as long as they carry on aligning themselves with the Israeli Labor Party and not, unlike the party Keith supports, Bibi and his stinking henchmen) who have a damn sight more MPs in tow than have ever had to be suspended for cod-antisemitism. So hypocritical, Keith. Ever looked round at your fellow Sunday worshippers and wondered how many of 'em harbour antisemitic or otherwise racist views? Would you like to suggest an honest enquiry, as Labour has just had? Nah, thought not. Thick carpet, handy broom.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 02:56 PM

NYTimes- The British Left's Jewish Problem

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 02:55 PM

Not quite sure the point of your link Keith unless it's a way of admitting you were wrong about there being a great deal of Antisemitism in the Labour Party and suggesting that "many" Labour members and "The NEC were worried that there aws - though I think we've seen the last of your apologising for anything after your appalling slurs on Jo Cox.
There never was a worrying amount of Atisemitism in the labour Party and what there was is down to the Israeli propaganda machine using the Jewish People as a whole as an excuse for their crimes.
I think Corbyn is wrong in attempting to silence those who use Nazi comparisons for what is happening in modern Israel - if Holocaust survivors, ex Mossad chiefs and Jews throughout the world can make such a comparison, so can the rest of us.
Israel has made the ter4m "Antisemitism" totally meaningless - in doing so, they have painted targets on all Jews and cleared a path for real Antisemites.
Ruth Smeeth
is the director of The Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM) which is a UK-based organisation which acts to promote awareness of Israel and the Middle East in the United Kingdom. BICOM publishes materials on the history, economy, culture and politics of Israel, Middle East peace plans, terrorism in the Middle-East, UK-Israel relations and foreign policy.
She is a pro Isreali activist - proof that the Labour Party is riddled with such people rather than with Antisemites.
This whole thing has been an exercise in pro-Israeli propaganda from day one.
"but this thread is not about Israel."
Not to you maybe Keith, but you are a pro-Israeli activist - what else would you do?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 02:22 PM

And the Tory Party, UKIP and the Church of England? Or is there no toxic atmosphere because they all agree? Do tell us.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 01:43 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672022

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-ruth-smeeth-jewish-mp-accused-of-colluding-with-media-a7111061.html

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 01:40 PM

I note that Shami Chakrabarti's report did not find Labour to be awash with racism,

The Independent 2 hours ago,
"The MP (Ruth Smeeth)called for Mr Corbyn to resign after the incident, saying he failed to intervene.

"Until today I had made no public comment about Jeremy's ability to lead our party, but the fact that he failed to intervene is final proof for me that he is unfit to lead, and that a Labour Party under his stewardship cannot be a safe space for British Jews," Ms Smeeth added."
BBC 3 hours ago,
"The Labour Party is not overrun by anti-Semitism or other forms of racism but there is an "occasionally toxic atmosphere", an inquiry has found.
Shami Chakrabarti, the chairwoman of Labour's inquiry into anti-Semitism, said there was "too much clear evidence... of ignorant attitudes".

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 01:34 PM

Islamophobia, like antisemitism, applies to people, not organised religion. You have never expressed an ounce of sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians and, along with the cheat otherwise known as bobad, have always squarely blamed them for their predicament, blind to the fact that the vast majority of them are completely innocent people. You deny every atrocity perpetrated on them by the Israeli regime, including massacres of refugees that are generally recognised as such. You think it's fine for Israel to steal their land. That's Islamophobia. I have expressed my sympathy so many times on this forum for all the people of Israel and wished them prosperity and security. I've condemned both Hamas and Israel for attacking each other. I have never heard the converse from you, always denying that Israel has done anything wrong, even when they shell areas where they know there will be children. You have a one-track mind that we have all seen here over and over again ad nauseam. I'm sorry that mentioning Israel in this thread makes you feel uncomfortable. What you don't realise is that that shows how threadbare and bigoted your thinking is. You recently started a thread linking the Labour Party with anti-Israel comments and smeared the party with antisemitism slurs. You can't complain when people bring up Israel in a thread in which it may be relevant to do so. Tell your cheating friend to stop calling a perfectly decent man a Nazi because he mentioned Israel. Otherwise your credibility is even more shot then it already is.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 12:21 PM

I would give you Israel's side of those stories again, but this thread is not about Israel.
Do start one or reopen one of the dozens we already have.

Steve, you again accuse me of "rampant Islamophobia" when, unlike you and Jim, I have never offered even the mildest criticism of Islam or any other religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Demise of the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 16 - 11:26 AM

Spot on, Jim. They both abuse this forum's inclusive nature, which I don't object to as it happens, by spouting this intolerance. Keith, you dress up your rampant Islamophobia by pretending that you're "just putting Israel's side of the story." You defend and ally yourself with a man who calls decent people Jew-haters and who accuses Hamas of killing the Gaza civilians slaughtered by the IDF. He has just referred to Jeremy Corbyn as a Nazi. Anything to say about that, Keith? You defend well-catalogued massacres of Palestinian refugees even though their main facilitator Sharon was widely condemned and was forced to step down from his post of defence minister. Silence and denial in the face of clear injustices meted out to Palestinians and the company you keep here so uncritically makes you Islamophobic. Then there was the shameful Rochdale episode here... By your fruits do we know you.