BS: For those who want to read about the BNP

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 03:38 PM

"My party stands for Britishness, family values and a christian culture, in that so wrong ?"

"Britishness" - explain exactly what you mean by that? what race? religion? background?

"Family values" - who doesn't stand for that?

"Christian Culture" - Now you're starting to scare me! Relgion and politics should NEVER mix. I'm serious about that.

"Really John, if you are saying the D.U.P. are racist or sectarian this could not be farther from the truth, we are a democratic party who clearly are a lot more patriotic than you clearly are."

"Patriotic" - I love the idea that anyone who is critical of a right-wing party is automatically non-patriotic. I'm as patriotic as anyone, but that doesn't mean I'm a right-wing loon, running around cheering about 'Britishness'.

Come on now Gillian, give those early Bob Dylan albums tunes listen. I recommend 'With God On Our Side'.

Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 02:07 PM

Regarding this lady, Emma and John please find response on other BNP thread.

Divis

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 01:35 PM

Like a fart in a hurricane Guest, like a fart in a hurricane!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 01:10 PM

either way, whilst we are all talking, more and more and more reports coming in of bnp advances and expected gains.

if this is the level of opposition, cyber-activsism, then the BNP are going to walk in.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 01:06 PM

For the information of folks who may not be familiar with "Gillian's" icons

The late Sir Basil Brook is a shining example of the type of person this country craves for modern leadership -

"There are a great number of Protestants and Orangemen who employ Catholics. I would point out that Roman Catholics are trying to get everywhere… I would appeal to Loyalists, therefore, wherever possible, to employ protestant lads and lassies." Sir Basil Brooke. Unionist Minister, later Prime Minister of Northern Ireland.

also a definition of Unionist "democracy" -

             "Politically, Ulster would always send a majority of Protestant MPs to Westminster, and there would always be a majority of Unionist MPs in the Northern Ireland parliament. However, control was also established in local councils, even when the Protestants were in a minority. The vote was restricted to householders and property owners (thus ruling out many of the Catholic poor). Boundaries were redrawn to secure the maximum possible number of Unionist councillors. This process was called 'gerrymandering'. From Ireland a Divided Island

I agree with Giok "Religious apartheid is as obnoxious as that based on the colour of a person's skin"

Currently the BNP is electioneering on the basis of Islamophobia using scare tactics and photos of the London bombings

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Kweku
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 12:57 PM

Liberalism = allowing every Tom,Dick,Harry and Mary to get away with everything they want to do. because how can racist groups be allowed to operate in these modern times when the authorities know very well that these people are just anarchists. then it means that the authorities themselves are racist and love to see what is going on.

for an African it is sometimes incredible to hear of advanced countries having serious racist problems.because all we see on CNN and BBC is an angelic west with nothing wrong but everthing good.

if Mugabe says hey! Mr Briton give me my land back he is the worst leader the world has ever seen.but what about leaders who allow hate groups to thrieve.

what a hypocritical world.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 11:48 AM

To get back to the BNP.They really are a complete set of vicious racist thugs.They have crawled out of the sewers because they believe that with their brutes in suits approach at a time when many feel let down by Blair and New Labour they will get a hearing .

However ,they are a crowd of thugs with criminal records as long as your arm. These are people who boast about shoving dog mess throught the doors of asian shopkeepers, who have convictions for violence and football hooliganism, one of the BNP members wanted to start a race war and blew up hundreds of people in Soho and Brixton eight years ago.The BNP leader ,Griffin ,was in Washington recently meeting an unsavoury crew of nazis and racists and stormfront thugs at a conference to further their race hate fantasies.

But they can be stopped now and in the future just as they and their predecessors have been stopped in the past.

The United Front tactic of combining to stop the nazis ,whatever other differences we have works but we have to take these anti semitic racist thugs seriously !!!
Ifor

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Farnsworth Knoblick
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 10:54 AM

Auntie: You are the tops. Remember when we played waterpolo and three of the horses drowned? You mentioned above that we must be frank with eack other. I agree. Today I shall be Frank and tomorrow you be Frank. This is SUCH fun.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 06:31 AM

Well said Em! I always feel the hairs on the back of my neck stand when I hear the term 'Britishness'. We are a mixture of so many origins and are not even a single country. The cultures of Scotland, Wales, England and Ireland not to mention regional differences vary to such an extent that it is difficult to refer to 'Britishness' unless (as I fear in many cases) you are referring to white.
I enjoy the cultural tradtions of England, dance song and music but find myself in the minority as so many who talk of 'Britishness' want nothing to do with their own culture just to put down someone elses.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 06:07 AM

Oh and by the way "Gillian" I do hold moral values!
To quote Sarah Roy, the daughter of Holocaust survivors -
I believe in "bearing witness, raging against injustice and foregoing silence,compassion, tolerance and rescue......"

I respect your right to speak although I disagree with what you say.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 05:38 AM

It is clear to me that those of you who don't hold any moral values or respect my right to speak on behalf of my Britishness now wish to go down the road of a culture sadly to often seen nowadays in our society.

Yes William I am a personal friend of Mrs, Foster, who I respect and admire greatly. When I am home I spend a lot of time in the Fosters and also when she is over in her Mayfair suite in London.

She can't understand the willingness of many in London to abort their culture. For example yesterday on St, Georges day there were few natonal flags flying in the capital, I imagine they may cause offence ?

John, Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland enjoyed their own schools for centuries and their sports games too.

Really John, if you are saying the D.U.P. are racist or sectarian this could not be farther from the truth, we are a democratic party who clearly are a lot more patriotic than you clearly are.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 05:33 AM

"Gillian" I don't know why you have chosen to grace this particular thread with your erroneous certainties of what is "right" and "wrong"
It may well be that you see a logical connection between the spurious "patriotism" of the so-called "loyalists" and the BNP, both of whose "nationalism" is based upon a hatred of their fellow-men of a different colour or creed.

I also don't know why you have chosen to single myself out of the many who so obviously do not agree with your narrow bigoted outlook, and make assumptions and call me names when you know absolutely nothing about me.

Let me tell you a little more -

I have no respect for the self-styled "Doctor" and "Reverend" * whose hatred of his fellow (Catholic) Christians is infamous and who has sought to make homosexuality illegal. Neither do I feel any different about anyone who abandoned the party of the peace process to jump upon his political bandwagon.

* Ian Paisley - from Wikipedia "He undertook theological training at the fundamentalist Barry School of Evangelism (eventually renamed the South Wales Bible college), and later, for a year, at the Reformed Presbyterian Theological Hall in Belfast, though he graduated from neither.

In 1946 he was ordained, in a ceremony at the independent Ravenhill Evangelical Mission Church on the Ravenhill Road in Belfast, by four ministers from four different denominations whose ecclesiastical authority from their churches to ordain is disputed. A common mistake is the assumption that Ian Paisley personally led an exodus from the mainstream Presbyterian Church in Ireland (the largest Protestant denomination in Northern Ireland). Ian Paisley was never a member of that church, and was never one of its ministers. He is a member of the loyalist Apprentice Boys of Derry. He is a former member of theOrange Order. He resigned from it in 1962 in protest at the failure to discipline a senior member for attending the Roman Catholic Mass. He addresses the annual gathering of the Independent Orange Order every Twelfth of July.

Paisley's use of the title 'Dr.' derives from an honorary Doctor of Divinity degree awarded by the unaccredited Christian college named Bob Jones University in Greenville, South Carolina. Bob Jones, Jr. was a close personal friend and a co-leader with Ian Paisley in the international Fundamentalist movement, and Paisley continues to maintain a friendly relationship with the institution"

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Wandering Willie up the Falls
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 05:13 AM

Gillian, Do you really know Arlene Foster, I really think she is the goods, I may be of a different persuasion and I hear she wears Union Jack knickers, but that would never be a problem, OOOH Arlene.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 05:03 AM

It also stands for Protestant domination on Northern Ireland, and would never ever have given the vote to Catholics unless it was forced to do so.
Religious apartheid is as obnoxious as that based on the colour of a person's skin.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 04:57 AM

Very well said Quarcoo,

Yes a lot has to be done. Really things are getting so out of control and if you were to listen to some of the remarks above you can see some people seem to bury their heads in the sand.

I myself belong to a Democratic party, the D.U.P. and we keep pressure on the government to preserve such rights.

I as you will note gave a young lady a fools pardon is a previous post, calling the values I defend, racist.

The party that I belong to has a record on human rights and fairness second to none, and is that is very well known and respected.

The late Sir Basil Brook is a shining example of the type of person this country craves for modern leadership.

If as stated these values I hold and defend are so wrong, why is it that our party leader, Doctor Paisley has topped the polls in Ulster in recent elections ?

My party stands for Britishness, family values and a christian culture, in that so wrong ?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Kweku
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 04:25 AM

This liberalism will eventually choke this world.

in the name of democracy groups like the bnp will thrieve,but leave democracy and dictators will also thrieve.but seriously I think there must be a time to deal with groups that divide societies and forget about human rights.this was successfuly done in the West years ago to purge communists.

why can't it be done now?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 03:32 AM

Irish Gaelic is not required to be taught in schools in the north Dianavan, and is very little spoken especially amongst the Protestant Irish.
It was at the insistance of an American, Eamon de Valera that Irish Gaelic was made a mandatory part of primary education in the Irish Free State. Most of my friends didn't ever speak it again once it ceased to be part of their required learning.
It would sometimes appear that love of the Irish Gaelic culture is more prevalent outside of Ireland.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:40 PM

...but you haven't answered my question.

I guess that means you weren't being quite truthful.

In fact it means you were spreading hateful views of immigrants.

BTW - Have you learned to speak Gaelic (Irish) yet?

I think you should be treated by the Irish the same way you treat immigrants in England.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:50 PM

Now now Farnsworth Knoblick you are sounding a little naughty. Lets focus on the issue here. I have lived and worked among so many decent honest British people and to be really frank, Any thing I have said is a true reflection of their views,and yes mine too.

I jolly well wish some of you wouldn't be so judgemental of the true British law abiding within our society.

I love my British culture and you may well ask what is a Democratic Unionist ? It's a better woman than some I could look towards on this
site.

We in Ulster faced so much and saw our rule of self government fall because of similar views expressed here.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Farnsworth Knoblick
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:34 PM

I do so look forward to your return, Auntie. Please bring the patent leather belt.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 05:23 PM

Was just talking to Arlene Foster in Ulster on the phone there and she has been reading some of your viewpoints, really so many of you are out of touch with modern society. Will be actually glad to get back to Ulster if this is modern British thinking. Just as she said there,At home our party is listened to and Mr. Blair doesn't push us around ! I have lived in Ledbury, Manchester and London, and consider myself a part of British society, Mays elections will see more of this beautiful country eroded if many like some above get their way.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 04:03 PM

Gillian is obviously referring to the Sick Counties, which although it is geographically close to the original Ulster, is still not really Ulster, and it is wrong to describe it as such.
It is more correct to call it Norn Iron.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:57 PM

You wouldn't say that if you met my first M in L Ifor
G. ☻

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:56 PM

"God save Ulster"

Haha!

That's great... Lets imagine what someone from the 4th Century would have said if he were alive today. Nice forward thinking there.

What language would he have said 'God save Ulster' in?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Farnsworth Knoblick
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:55 PM

Auntie Gillian: Let them have it both barrels as you did those nasty fellows who spanked my bottom so many years ago. I much preferred it when you spanked my bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:49 PM

Dear Gillian
actually George was probably a Turkish or Byzantine knight with nothing to do with England although christian crusaders did sack Constantinople during the first crusade thus fatally weakening it as a bulwark for christendom!
As for his deeds ...I think you will find out that the dragon is a mythological creature!!
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:48 PM

Gillian - Please answer the question, "What is the language of instruction in the schools where English is a second language?"

...or stop exaggerating.

I think St. George (if he ever existed) would expect you to be more considerate and courteous to others.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:34 PM

As families around Britain celebrated the day of the English national saint; whether by a traditional family roast with all the trimmings, a fete, carnival or just quiet reflection on what was a beautiful spring Sunday, it is worth remembering just who George really was, his origins and deeds which laid the foundations of his sainthood, if he were alive today he would call, God save Ulster.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:45 PM

Gillian -

I doubt very much if English is taught as a second language in London. In Vancouver we have French immersion schools but English is still not considered a second language. The students are considered to be bilingual. The waiting lists are very long. Parents in Canada want their children to speak more than one language.

Can you please answer this question - What is the language of instruction in the schools where English is a second language?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:07 PM

"Gillian" if you only took the time to listen and read - you would see that I am expressing what I "feel" and "think" to be true not condemning anyone else for their origins or ethnicity like some of the other posts I have read. I believe I am allowed MY opinions about others actions however, and while our political system is free enough to allow you to express your repugnant remarks permit me to counter them too.
Am I stopping you speaking? - it would appear not!

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:51 AM

That's right everyone, only Emma is allowed an opinion. We are all so very wrong. None but her should speak. It must be so very heartwarming Emma to be so self righteous ? In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. In your case it's the one eyed woman.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:14 AM

Guest above - I'm not very fond of anonymous posters and John will probably not forgive me for saying this, but as he is going into hospital this week to try and halt a long period of painful and progressive lack of mobility I feel your comments are more than a little misplaced!
I think everyone should do as much as they are able to combat the BNP and, exposure via the forum, (which they are happy to use to peddle their own lies) is fine by me!

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:08 AM

Hee hee, you certainly spell like a BNP member!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:01 AM

cyber activism is the activism of the lazy. john im afraid, and i genuinley mean this, you are a phony.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 04:43 AM

I'm doing my bit by exposing them at every turn, we're not even having elections in Scotland this year, but it doesn't mean that the abhorrent BNP can't be railed against from all quarters.
The internet, and good old word of mouth are very powerful tools against racists.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:39 AM

canada. well that's not going stop people in a local ward council stop voting BNP?

seems to me, and it is fucking dissapointing, that for all the talk on here. i would hazard a guess that not one person will actually campaign against the BNP this election.

Phonies. When they elected, you'll be to blame.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Beer
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:35 AM

I agree with you guest, but the fact that Giok posted this thread he has enlightened me to something I was not aware of. All the way to Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:28 AM

what about the others. im asking because talk is cheap. action is priceless. yes or no. how many on here will be actively campaigning against the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:27 AM

can you not travel john?

beer i dont think posting on mudcat is somehow going to prevent a local councillor getting elected. with all respect.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Beer
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:20 AM

Just by posting this Giok you are already doing your part.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:11 AM

I would if they were standing in my area. Not enough working class high unemployment areas in the Highlands for their type of crap to take root in.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:09 AM

for all the talk on here. how many are actually going to actively campaign against the BNP this election?

An honest yes or no.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: clairerise
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 02:43 PM

im not sure objecting to english as a second language in schools is racism? it is social commentary of a right wing kind i suppose. But unfair to say racist.

as for plants on mudcat. possible, but with so much support gathering for the BNP, the question has to be asked whether or not it is inevitable for bnp supporters to be legitimately on mudcat?

personally i believe in society to accept all peoples so would never vote bnp. But, i equally dont think the answer is not to talk about them. if that worked, we wouldn't be in the position were they are getting the support they are getting.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:47 PM

Here we go not voting for nuts in May, nuts in May, nuts in May!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:43 PM

Emma B, And of course you are right ?
I suppose your never wrong and others are not allowed an opinion.
You'll get your answer in May.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:42 PM

I know Dave, we need more people like jOhn (or do I mean nOrman) in here these days - I just think that anyone who is critical of people whose second language is English might grasp the elements of grammar themselves before they open their mouths and spout rubbish!

Cheers to you too

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:17 PM

You don't have to be a recist to be a bud spoller, Emma. Just look at Sir jOhn from hull9. I stongly suspect that most 'Guests' on this thread will be BNP plants though - Apologies to those who aren't (especialy you, Paul - I know from your other posts you are far from it!) Just to be on the safe side let us let any advertising for the BNP die. I should not have posted before realy. I will not do so again on this thread.

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:44 PM

I'd love to have English taught well; it might enable you to say "they're wrong" "Gillian"
Please keep your racism off this site!

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:36 PM

If there wasn't support for this party they wouldn't be here. Just because you feel it's alright to have English as the second language in some London schools there are those that don't agree with with you. So what your saying is their wrong and your right ! Very democratic.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: clairerise
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:21 PM

scary. big predictions for bnp gains in telegraph

BNP set to win seats as support surges

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TVQHD5IFXY3C1QFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2006/04/21/npoll21.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/04/21/ixportaltop.html