BS: BNP: What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 07:10 PM

My father was in the RAF at the end of the war, and my mother was an evacuee.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: goatfell
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 07:09 PM

my father and mother both fought in the second world war, and they too hated any form of racism of any kind and so do I

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 07:05 PM

Here Here

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 06:56 PM

>>>RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader - PM
Date: 30 May 09 - 12:55 PM

Every time I submit a detailed response to your questions, someone deletes it ! So direct your questions to them, not me.

I listened to a very moving interview on the radio this afternoon. Yet another World War II veteran, 82-year-old Joe Randall, has come out to bat for the British National Party in the wake of the childish anti-BNP smears launched by the Tory leader and the media in recent days. He spoke with such love for our country and respect for the party.

Mr Randall, who is now playing an active part in campaigning for the BNP in the South West, always wears his campaign medals, won while serving in the paratroops during the war, passers-by to see.

Mr Randall joins numerous other World War II veterans who have come out in support of the BNP over the past few weeks. So far the party has at least three Royal Air Force WWII veterans, including at least one Spitfire Battle of Britain pilot, several Royal Navy veterans (including some who took part in the Dunkirk, Tirpitz and Atlantic Convoy campaigns) and a good sprinkling of D-Day veterans.

These heroes put their lives on the line to fight for Britain all those years ago, and it takes a special kind of person to come out and fight for Britain once again. <<<


My Dad fought in WWII, and you want to know why? He fought for freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of life. He fought against a man who wanted to annhilate an entire race. He fought to ensure that people like the Nazi's would never again come into power.

I met Douglas Bader. Do you remember him? The man who lost his legs, but was so determined to beat Hitler and the scum who surrounded him, that he literally gave all he had to learn to walk, to enable himself to get back in his plane and stop the bastards from what they had planned on doing.

If Douglas were alive today, he'd be out there talking about the scumbags who called themselves the BNP - the Bloody Nazi Party...and urging everyone to take the Flag of England BACK from those who, for way too long, have sought to abuse it.

So don't bring you're snivelling, cowardly, disgusting, wind-up words to me, daring to make out that those who fought in WWII support the BNP, because they are the very ones who went to war to STOP folks like you from ever taking a stand again.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 06:26 PM

Prob because cookies needed resetting

I got an email from searchlight and tomorrow they are organising a last-ditch hope not hate campaign.


Get involved if you can and you are against hate politics

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 05:54 PM

did i turn two pages at once?   lox why does it say GUEST LOX i thought you were a member?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 03:01 PM

THERE IS NO ROOM ON THIS SITE FOR HATE. NOT WITH THESE GOOD PEOPLE YOU DON'T- TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. NOT HERE AND NOT WITH THESE GOOD PEOPLE. NOT EVER!!!!!!!! I KNOW OF NO ONE HERE THAT WILL TOLERATE HATE AGAINST ANOTHER. START YOU OWN WEBSITE AND TAKE YOUR BNP, BPN, KKK OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THE THING AND THE HATE GROUP WITH YOU

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 12:29 PM

i have the same problem, my typing is fine but my keybored makes mistakes. it has dislexia.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 11:46 AM

"Once QWEre Warriors"

arrrgghhh......! I definitely a new keyboard...that SHOULD read Once Were Warriors! (either that or use spell check more often *LOL*)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 11:19 AM

"but it reminds me of a similar programme which the Australians had with Aborigines. As in the film, Rabbit Proof Fence."

The film Once QWEre Warriors highlights the Maori experience in New Zealand.

To bring us full circle, back to the Nazies (BNP) there was this experiment performed before and during World War II, which scarred thousands in much the same way as the groups we've already mention

Hitler's Children

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 10:42 AM

""I have a sneaking suspicion that I know who this Daily Mail Reader is.....but I dasn't say it.""

You are far too nice a person to want to do anything of the sort Sorcha.

PM me, if you feel inclined, and I'll do the job. When it comes to dealing with bigots in general, and racist bigots in particular, I am ANYTHING BUT a nice person.

It would give me the greatest pleasure, providing you are reasonably sure of the identity, to out the despicable little turd.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 10:30 AM

jOhn, somewhat simplified response, don't you think you should at leats give the friend a chance at redemption? p.s. thank you for getting us back on point.

cllr, does this friend know exactly what she has gotten into and has she changed her mind yet?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 10:21 AM

bnp are rubbish, tell your freind to leave bnp or he's not allowed to be your freind anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 09:41 AM

Just because I am a sometimes-student of history and a notorious pedant, I see a need to throw this in. The BNP are clearly racists, and their platform is focused on this single issue. The Nazis were certainly racists but the National Socialist Workers Party had a very solid set of political and economic goals (like them or not), which attracted many early party members as much as, if not more than, their "Aryan" focus on Germany for the Germans and the Greater Reich. It isn't really correct to refer to the BNP as Nazis...they have all of the Nazis' truly wretched qualities but none of their somewhat better ones.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 09:34 AM

"Lox is right. Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves."

Hopefully. And if they don't, we could always resort to the old-fashioned British practice of shoving a red-hot poker up their arses. That'd help Quasimodo Griffin shed his hunch. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: TheSnail
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 08:47 AM

Lox is right. Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

If you believe in your case and believe in the intelligence of the reader, there is no need to ban them.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 08:34 AM

"However, what does not sit comfortably with me is where an individual deliberately lies in order to enforce their view point where this has not been expressed in open debate."


I understand how you feel. But I've come to realize that our honesty is our strength and their lying is their weakness.

Every lie that has been told on this thread can be shown to be a lie.

Everytime one of their lies is shown to be a lie, it chips away at their public image.

Goebbels controlled the information in Germany in the late thirties and early forties.

The BNP have no such control of information. It is easy to provide refutations of their lies and there is nothing they can do about it otheer than wish they had stayed quiet.

Of course this doesn't mean we need to wait for an invitation ... we can expose their lies without them asking us to do it first.


Remember that the point of these arguments isn't to try and convert BNP faithful, but to ensure that uninformed undecided voters make the right decision.

Supplying all relevant information and exposing lies is the best way to ensure this.

Every lie the BNP tells is a nail in their own coffin.

Every post from a BNP suporter on this site is a window into their corruption.

Have faith in your arguments and expect lies and your arguments will endure and lies won't surprise you.


Above all, stand tall!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 08:12 AM

That's what I would do.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 08:11 AM

I agree that all individuals are entitled to voice their opinions, no matter how distasteful they are. From my understanding it is a fundamental human right, just as much as I have an equal human right to state my opinion of the person voicing their opinion.

However, what does not sit comfortably with me is where an individual deliberately lies in order to enforce their view point where this has not been expressed in open debate.

If the BNP want to spout their neo-nazi and racist views openly here that's fine with me as the thinking population will see them for what they really are. If they want to use an open debate forum to help secure a position of power to then carry out neo-nazi and racist actions, that isn't fine.

Fir that reason, for every statement where BNP continue the pretence of being moderate, it is up to us to continue to provide evidence to the contrary.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 08:02 AM

i couldn't agree more with everyones right to speak out lox, however i don't take seriously anyone who doesn't own up to their identity and truely believes in what they are saying. to everyone who has posted under their real name or known nick name i might disagree with you but you have my respect for having the guts to stand up for what you believe in, even though the majority of us are against you.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 07:53 AM

I could have said just this ...

Any opportunity to discredit Nazi propaganda and to expose its lies is a good one as it reminds those who have forgotten why they should never be given any power.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 07:51 AM

I understand the feeling of wanting to prevent the BNP or its supporters from posting here.

I've got into some nasty rows over racism here.

But I have changed my approach for two reasons.

1, the first thing that happened was that I read a coment by Bearded Bruce that I could not disagree with or the whole foundation of my world view would have collapsed.

It was this "I may utterly disagree with your opinion but I will fight to the death for your right to speak it."

Anyone who has read my posts will know that BB and I are on opposite sides of a grand political canyon, but on this point I utterly had to agree with him.

2, As a result of having to adapt my approach to support peoples right to give their point of view, I realized that there isn't really any need to panic, because on a written chat forum, attempts to advance a fascist ideology are very easy to dismantle.

This thread has confirmed that for me. I am glad that it is here as someone surfing the net one night, looking for info on the BNP, might stumble upon it.

If you read back over this thread and you imagine how it would look to anyone with an open mind, it is clerly an utterly one sided debate.

The anti BNP arguments are substantive, relevant, rational, and above all they are supported by verifiable sources.

The BNP supporter(s) on this thread haven't actually advanced an argument, they have just made a lot of unverified claims.

Every claim they have made has been disproved by verified counter claim.

It is good that BNP supporters be placed in this context as it shows them up for who they are despite their attempts to appear reasonable.

They would have been better off sticking to their own chat forums where there is no opposition to embarass them.

Any opportunity to discredit Nazi propaganda and to expose its lies is a good one as it reminds those who have forgotten why they should never be given any power.

A healthy democracy absorbs them.

Push them underground and they are like a baby alligator flushed down the loo ... they get bigger in the dark and emerge to find us unprepared.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 06:30 AM

Mandotim."Without zero, modern mathematics (and therefore the whole digital world) would be impossible."

Exactly. It is part of the ethnophobic dogma of the BNP that Europe invented everything worth while and then used its brains and ingenuity to civilise the rest of the world, who then turned their ungrateful backs on us. As anyone with half an open mind knows, it just didn't happen like that.

Someone on this thread provided a link to a documentary, the first 20 minutes of which are now on Youtube, but which was originally broadcast by the BBC. It contained a clip of John Tyndall making a speech. In it he said that the only things which Africa ever gave us were witchcraft, voodoo, black magic and AIDS.

He might have mentioned that Africa gave us vast mineral resources, gargantuan amounts of raw materials and several million slaves, without which the industrial revolution could never have happened. Oh sorry, no. Those things were stolen from Africa by sheer naked imperialism. And as part of white attempts to justificy the conquest of Africa, a whole litany of myths and lies was spun about the 'inferior' natives. A litany which the far right continues to gorge itself on.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: mandotim
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 05:45 AM

Does this mean nothing was invented in India?;) Seriously; the importance of that invention is always underrated. Without zero, modern mathematics (and therefore the whole digital world) would be impossible.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 05:21 AM

Peace. 00 is a double figure . . . .

It isn't. It is zero. Zero is a concept invented by Indian mathematicians and it spread to Europe from there via Arabia along with many other cultural innovations. Where? Yes, that place which acording to the BNP breeds nothing but terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 31 May 09 - 10:51 PM

FUCK THE BNP AND ITS SUPPORTERS.

And to hell with this. I don't want to be on a forum that gives help to these people.

Great policy you have here.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 31 May 09 - 10:46 PM

Yeah. Good policy we have here. The Daily Mail reader is now making nice and starting threads. Check out the Titanic thread. Wow. I am sooo fuckin' thrilled. Nice works, huh? Reasonableness? All that shit?

R I G H T

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 31 May 09 - 10:40 PM

"The irony of it is that if you measured the collective IQ of the entire BNP I would be surprised if it got into double figures."

00 is a double figure . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 31 May 09 - 09:41 PM

Fred,

I did know but I hadn't seen or heard it expressed so openly.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: robomatic
Date: 31 May 09 - 05:28 PM

I was going to contribute some song lyrics from Capitol Steps about David Duke that go back to his days running for political office in the US, then when I did a search on them I see that I posted it in Mudcat four years ago, but hey it's just a few lines so here goes again:

From Capitol Steps (by memory)

I am a David Duke supporter
He says his Nazi days are gone
Now once again he's at J C Penney's
Seems they've got a giant white sale on.

He went to see a plastic surgeon
To give his face an aryan trim
Now Michael Jackson's gone Anglo Saxon
Duke wants to be more white than him

chorus:
Stand By Your Klan...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Azizi
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:56 PM

I'm not going to engage in a hypothetical racism vs survival debate. Nor will I debate whether an undeclared racist is worse than a declared racist.

My final statement on this thread is that BNP's racism is so heinous that I sincerely hope that they don't win any seats in this election or any other election that they enter.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:42 PM

Well, as far as racism vs. survival, I suspect it's a matter of degree and not everyone's threshold will be the same, of course. I'm of the personal opinion that is something isn't done about population growth we'll be fighting wars over air and water, but that's just an opinion.

               Yes, I purposely used the word "declare" in reference to Hannity and Limbaugh, because there are people who profess not to have a racist bone in their body, yet all of their actions speak of racism. Others, like David Duke for instance, openly declare themselves to be racist. I don't know if one is better or worse than the other. I suspect an undeclared racist would be easier to reason with, if push came to shove.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Azizi
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:41 PM

Thanks for answering, Riginslinger.

With regard to your answer, and putting aside that in my opinion the word declare is the operative word in your sentence that "they [Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity] are extreme right, but do not declare themselves to be racist", I'm very disheartened to see that for you the issue of runaway immigration trumps the issue of racism.

If indeed there is runaway immigration, I hope that people who can vote would not vote for a party that says it will do something about that issue but that "something" is shaped by such heinous positions on race and the "disabled, to gays and to anyne else that they deem to be non pure british super race."

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:25 PM

Azizi - Being from the US, I suppose I just kind of aligned the BNP with somebody like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, both of whom are extreme right, but do not declare themselves to be racist. When I did a little research on the BNP, I found them to be openly racist and regret having made the comments I made earlier in the thread. I apologize for comments I made earlier such as "the BNP (being) what the planet needs."
               All of that having been said, I think runaway human population growth world wide is the most destructive force on the planet, and if measures are not taken to do something humanely about it, the planet as we know it will not survive.
               I do not, therefore, agree with the BNP on race. However, if I were voting in an election where they were the only party willing to do something about runaway immigration, I might look on it as the only choice for survival.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Azizi
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:44 PM

Riginslinger, on 29 May 09 - 04:21 PM you wrote

"In view of the reality that the most major threat to the survival of the planet is runaway human migration, maybe the BNP is just what the world needs."

And on 31 May 09 - 11:14 AM you wrote

"Sorry. I was being flippant and this thread is probably not the place. Yes, I was a little too arrogant as well in my first few posts. I didn't realize the BNP was as radical as it actually is until I looked into it further.

Still, I think runaway population growth and migration will feed the BNP, and that party's strength will grow unless conventional political forces deal with these problems very soon".

-snip-

I'm still interested in knowing what part of the BNP do you consider to be radical (or "extreme" to use the word lox thinks that you meant).

I also am still interested in knowing do you agree with the BNP's positions regarding race.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,member
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:34 PM

"The irony of it is that if you measured the collective IQ of the entire BNP I would be surprised if it got into double figures"

I imagine they can spell "anyone" lol

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:06 PM

Lox. "their attitudes extend to the disabled, to gays and to anyne else that they deem to be non pure british super race."

Did you not know that? After the death of David Cameron's son, one of the London BNP organisers was heard on Radio 4 saying it was just as well he died because if he'd lived he would only have corrupted the gene pool. Small wonder that Cameron went ballistic on them just the other day.

The irony of it is that if you measured the collective IQ of the entire BNP I would be surprised if it got into double figures.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 31 May 09 - 01:46 PM

So much for the BNP controlling their loose canons ...

... the link that Snail provides is extremely illuminating.

They are not only racist, their attitudes extend to the disabled, to gays and to anyne else that they deem to be non pure british super race.


I am remonded of a post earlier on on which Nick Griffins Quasimodo-esque appearnce was beautifully lampooned.

As for the faces of the other BNP heads in the Snails article, it looks like the poster for the film Trainspotting.

Bunch of crims the lot of 'em!!

I think Riginslinger meant extreme not radical. I don't see him advocating the BNP anywhere, just making observations about how they might be able to gain support.

For those of us who wish to counter such an eventuality, this is an important thing to consider.

Rigs first comments come across to me like ironic humour.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Azizi
Date: 31 May 09 - 01:08 PM

I didn't realize the BNP was as radical as it actually is until I looked into it further.
-Riginslinger

I'm curious, Riginslinger, what parts of the BNP do you find radical? Do you agree with that party's racist positions?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 May 09 - 11:14 AM

"Sorry. I was being flippant and this thread is probably not the place."
                   Yes, I was a little too arrogant as well in my first few posts. I didn't realize the BNP was as radical as it actually is until I looked into it further.

                   Still, I think runaway population growth and migration will feed the BNP, and that party's strength will grow unless conventional political forces deal with these problems very soon.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: goatfell
Date: 31 May 09 - 09:18 AM

no they wont because they don't like the truth I have asked members of the mudcat cafe for answers to my questions and some do answer and some of the others don't so don't hold your breath

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 May 09 - 09:07 AM

as good as your spelling of my initials... Rudolf Hoess' testimony

(I should have ignored the spell checker)

I've answered your question, now answer mine.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Member
Date: 31 May 09 - 09:03 AM

SPD, Why would the BNP be interested in the HEOSS (High Earth Orbit Space Surveillance)?

You are as good Jeddy at the spelling !! lol

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 May 09 - 08:29 AM

Dear BNP,

Why does your leader deny the holocaust in spite of Rudolf Heoss'   testimony to the Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal:

COL. AMEN: I will omit the first paragraph and start with Paragraph 2:
"I have been constantly associated with the administration of concentration camps since 1934, serving at Dachau until 1938; then as Adjutant in Sachsenhausen from 1938 to 1 May 1940, when I was appointed Commandant of Auschwitz.. I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This?figure represents about 70 or 80 percent of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries; included among the executed and burned were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of prisoner-of-war cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men. The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great numbers of citizens, mostly Jewish, from Holland, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944."
That is all true, Witness?
HOESS: Yes, it is.


That's just Auschwitz...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 31 May 09 - 07:30 AM

i will join you gladly.   

i jade rose, will stand up for people who have been the victims of racism and injustice and do everything in my power to change attitudes to those of acceptance and tolerance

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 31 May 09 - 07:15 AM

Does anyone want to join me in the following pledge?

I Steve Belsey, folk singer and musician, pledge my opposition to all forms of hate crime, and as such will do everything in my power to oppose, by word or deed, organisations and individuals engaged in, inciting, or advocating such crime.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: TheSnail
Date: 31 May 09 - 05:35 AM

Exposed: ugly face of BNP's leaders

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:53 AM

Rifleman,

Sorry. I was being flippant and this thread is probably not the place. Discrimination on any grounds, race, class, colour, creed, sexuality or whatever is a terrible evil, and it can have terrible consequences.

This is the first time I've heard about Canadian attempts to 'assimilate' the Native American population, but it reminds me of a similar programme which the Australians had with Aborigines. As in the film, Rabbit Proof Fence.

"Fred, as I've noted already my complexion isn't the same as theirs. I've fought racism all my life and will fight it till my last breath. I've seen what this sort of trash can do to families and to individuals.

"Fred if you have a moment take a look at this lie.
Residential Schools

"In 1928, a (Canadian) government official predicted Canada would end its "Indian problem" within two generations. Church-run, government-funded residential schools for native children were supposed to prepare them for life in white society. But the aims of assimilation meant devastation for those who were subjected to physical, sexual and emotional abuse. Decades later, aboriginal people began to share their stories and demand acknowledgement of — and compensation for — their stolen childhoods.

"For this we have to thank trash like the BNP."

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:51 AM

ooops! omitted 'don't' from 'stray from the part line' :)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:47 AM

Gervase, most of DMR's posts (apart from taunts to members he seems to know quite well) come word for word from the BNP web page so he/she is unlikely to be a loose cannon if they stray from the 'official' line.

I have my suspicions, as I said earlier, that our 'guest' may simply be an older 'troll', who had a good run for their money last year, in new clothing.