BS: Washington Post breaking news

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 16 - 09:08 AM

Torture or massacre of opponents - even the worst of them - has always been a war crime and rightly so - to accept it is to descend into barbarism
No wonder you said mass-murderer Breivik had something worth listening to
The people who were being massacred in Homs were civilians and those being tortured and disappeared beforehand were demanding civil rights
You are rapidly establishing yourself as a full blown Nazi Ake - feel free to keep it up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Dec 16 - 08:41 AM

Iains is right, any armed revolt in the UK, the US, or any other "civilised" nation would be put down by the killing of their own people.

You forget that even before the war Assad was dealing not with malleable socialists or democratic protesters, but with half mad Jihadi's, many different factions all fighting among themselves like ferrits in a sack.

Our way of life, our democratic systems, do not work amongst Islamic Fundamentalists.....of course you know that, or should know that after the debacles in Iraq and Libya........but its the only prop you have for your crazy ideology.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 16 - 07:56 AM

"and of course all the sources you quote were there at the time, saw all these events unfold and faithfully reported every nuance."
I don't know how long you were in Damascus but Assad has been filling his torture chambers for at least two decades and has ben reported doing so - and Britain has been helping him.
Sorry - unless you can show a definite in to what is going on - I'd much rather take Amnesty's word than yours
They in fact do have people there and update their information regularly
Assad is a monster - you are defending a monster
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 06:57 PM

If other means of dispersal fail and the situation escalates then what else do you use? A sprinkling of fairy dust and a years subscription to the Guardian?

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: bobad
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 05:26 PM

You are right I went too far in saying that you implied that the protesters deserve to be killed. What I should have said is that you imply that the security forces are justified in firing on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 04:57 PM

I think my qualifiers made for something a tad more severe than you are proposing.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: bobad
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 04:54 PM

If you want to call a peaceful protest in a town square a break down of law and order and imply that the protesters deserve to be killed I have to respectfully disagree with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 03:56 PM

Bobad. If law and order ever broke down in Britain and the government was fighting for its survival I do not think your views would gain either an audience or sympathy from them. They would do precisely what they felt they had to do and if that involved shooting into a crowd I for one would go looking for cover rather than argue the toss. It is not as though this behaviour is without precedent.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: bobad
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 03:53 PM

Some eyewitness accounts here: Syria: Defectors Describe Orders to Shoot Unarmed Protesters

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 03:35 PM

and of course all the sources you quote were there at the time, saw all these events unfold and faithfully reported every nuance.
Sorry Jim, I was in Damascus when it all kicked off and for several years before.
    I do not believe Assad is a saint anymore than I believe the more extreme views presented by you.
The truth lies somewhere in between well muddied by foreign interference and manipulation. If the true reason to topple Assad was merely the fact he was regarded as a bad boy, surely in terms of some of his neighbours his regime was far from being the worst.
Britain supplies cluster bombs to Saudi to wipe out innocent Yemenis and gets all hoity toity when the legitimate Syrian government and it's allies decide that the best cure for terrorism is extermination.

America and its allies adopt exactly the same tactics in Mosul and we are supposed to applaud them for saving civilisation.

It is a funny world we inhabit.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: bobad
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 03:19 PM

A government that orders it's security forces to shoot unarmed protesters has forfeited it's legitimacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 02:41 PM

"Superb example of press distortion trying to demonize the legitimate government forces and allies."
I can't believe you are defending Assad - the man who has a two decade long record of torturing and murdering his opponents, shooting down the people of Homs and using chemical weapons on them - all reorted by world press, U.N. and Amnesty.
I have no problem at all believing Ake supports it though
Assad is a monster
AMNEST INTERNATIONAL
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 02:31 PM

Yes Iains, isn't it strange that people never recognise propaganda when it comes from what they see as their own side.

As I said years ago Assad had to be supported, not only as he represents the legitimate government, but only he has boots on the ground to fight the war and deal with the terrorists. If we had tried to support the jihadists by imposing a no fly zone, Syria would be another hornets nest like Libya and Iraq and we would in all probability be in a state of cold war with Russia.

"liberal ideology" is a menace to world peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 12:55 PM

Syrian troops threaten to enter last sliver of Aleppo's rebel-held territory. Washington post breaking news.

Syrian troops threaten to enter last sliver of Aleppo's rebel-held territory

Superb example of press distortion trying to demonize the legitimate government forces and allies. I find the comments section quite enlightening, especially the comment about the coverage of events in Mosul.

Subject: BS: WaPo declares Worst Candidate
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 11:54 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/20/the-worst-candidate-of-2016/?utm_term=.541704b9def2

"Candidates matter. We learned that lesson for the umpteenth time over the past two years as races — from the presidential on down — turned on the quality of the candidates. As a consultant put it to me a long time ago: If the dog doesn't like the dog food, it doesn't matter how good the marketing campaign for it is."

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 03:29 AM

"The United States saved millions of Russians in the Post WWI Famine. "
They did - they also attempted to bring down the new Government, including participating in The Civil War on thee side of those wishing to send the people back into the War by invading Murmansk, Archangel, and Vladivostok.
The Soviet Government was not recognised till 1933, ironically when Stalin had his feet well under the table and was beginning to dismantle Socialism and remove opposition - hardly conducive with peaceful coexistence.
Aid from America seldom came without a demand for something in return.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 05:30 PM

RE: Election fraud...not voter fraud   as gnu said


I don't care if you guys swear
Some times it is called for
Its fun when its all new fare
painting pictures forever more
Quoth the Raven "Fuck it"

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 04:56 PM

The United States saved millions of Russians in the Post WWI Famine. Prime engineer of their salvation: Herbert Hoover.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 03:04 PM

After WWII the USA did save many European lives.

It appears the bloom is off that rose.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 02:52 PM

"NOT Israeli, but:"
That's what I said - not Israel
America didn't fail to prevent the dead of Vietnmam - they directly caused them
Gaza
"The Occupied Palestinian avoidable deaths since 1950 are estimated from UN Population Division data (2002 revision) at 677,000 and for all of Palestine at 0.677 million x 5.7 million (all Palestinians still within Palestine)/4.1 million (Occupied Palestinians) = 940,000. However we must also include Palestinians outside Palestine and forbidden to return (roughly 2 times those within Palestine) and thus the estimate of post-1950 Palestinian avoidable deaths from imposed deprivation = 0.94 million x 2 = 1.88 million = 1.9 million."
Diod't recognise your understandably conservative figures
"Jimmy boyo,"
I would have though from the walloping your counterpart has just received that talking down to people from a mental midget's point of view gets you nowhere
Live and learn
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 02:49 PM

In the interests of humanity, Can someone please get CowFartBruce back under medical supervision before he injures himself or others?

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 02:40 PM

Jimmy boyo,

As for Syria, this list does NOT include conflicts during Obama's administration. Care to start a list of them?

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 02:37 PM

Jimmy boyo,

"Also conveniently missing is the 1,450,000 dead in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia due directly to U.S. invasion of those places"
8         1,800,000         Vietnam War, 1954-75

"The Slaughter in Gaza's missing too"
49         51,000         Arab-Israeli conflict 1950-present


NOT Israeli, but:

35         150,000         Lebanon civil war, 1975-90



Dounal,

I probably know more about U235 than you do. Have you ever looked into a running nuclear reactor? How do you produce U234?

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 02:33 PM

* I meant overwhelming 'circumstantial' evidence.


PS Dmc MG x V you are funny is a British sort of way.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 02:24 PM

I may have assumed too much. I always thought you capable of more sophistication over time bruce.
A brief explanation about U235 is that the devil you know may be better than the devil you don't know. We trust Canada more than other countries but a country with a proven track record in handling fissile material is the next best thing. In this perverted nuclear world we do things to ensure a little more safety despite the inherent danger. Trust a little, trust a lot. But verify.

If you ever worked for Grumman or Mc D Douglas you should be pissed right now. If not just keep in the back of your mind that whatever Trump may be guilty of, if it is serious, it won't be public knowledge for 100 years anyway. I know some circumstantial evidence but as I said before I do not know what Trump is guilty of, except for lying.

Would you convict based upon overwhelming evidence? We are not supposed to.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 01:54 PM

The present conflict in Syria - no sign
The Slaughter in Gaza's missing too
Isreali perpetrated deaths in Lebanon??
I think the moths got to Danny Boys list
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 01:30 PM

Interesting list Bruce especially as it carefully omits to mention the fact that in many cases America not only failed to intervene, but was very much the cause of much of the slaughter
Also conveniently missing is the 1,450,000 dead in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia due directly to U.S. invasion of those places
No mention of the oil wars dead, Greece, Nicaragua, Chile.... and all the coups and wars instigated or participated in by the U.S.
Little wonder really as your uncredited list comes from Daniel Pipes, arch supporter of Israeli terrorism which has been long defended by U.S. vetoes which prevented that terrorist state from facing charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity
Anybody can cut-'n- paste such a list, were they inclined to.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 11:39 AM

Donual,

You make charges of treason against Trump for your claim he will do what Clinton actually did?


http://www.businessinsider.com/the-clintons-putin-and-uranium-2015-4


DMcG,

No, this thread is about what the WP is reporting, and Donual's claims of what HE thinks that Trump will do.

I asked for an expansion of what he (the OP) said in reply to MY comment. I think it reasonable to ask for an explanation when his comment is unclear.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 11:33 AM

Please don't explain, Donuel. Jeri was quite correct. This thread is about Trump and Putin. What Obama did, what Hillary would have done, or Sanders, or Mad Jack McMad are all equally beside the point. It will be Trump and Putin who act for good or ill, not these others.

(Blackadder: He's mad! He's mad. He's madder than Mad Jack McMad, the winner of this year's Mr Madman competition)

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 11:23 AM

"
If you were a member of the Tri Lateral Commission you would not accuse Hillary of being a Uranium sales woman. You would owe a debt of gratitude."


Please expand, or at least explain.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 11:21 AM

BTW when you take something out of context you take it out of reality.

If you were a member of the Tri Lateral Commission you would not accuse Hillary of being a Uranium sales woman. You would owe a debt of gratitude. There are some actions that are not financially driven.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 11:14 AM

"
The US has a terrible record in preventing genocides and holocausts."


AGREED- Especially under Democratic administrations.

Conflicts since 1950 with over 10,000 Fatalities (all figures rounded)*
    1         40,000,000         Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)
    2         10,000,000         Soviet Bloc: late Stalinism, 1950-53; post-Stalinism, to 1987 (mostly Gulag)
    3         4,000,000         Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides
    4         3,800,000         Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present
    5         2,800,000         Korean war, 1950-53
    6         1,900,000         Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)
    7         1,870,000         Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91
    8         1,800,000         Vietnam War, 1954-75
    9         1,800,000         Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001
    10         1,250,000         West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)
    11         1,100,000         Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
    12         1,100,000         Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000) + after retreat of Portugal 1976-92
    13         1,000,000         Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
    14         900,000         Rwanda genocide, 1994
    15         875,000         Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)
    16         850,000         Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present
    17         650,000         Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)
    18         580,000         Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal's retreat (1972-2002)
    19         500,000         Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999
    20         430,000         Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)
    21         400,000         Indochina: against France, 1945-54
    22         400,000         Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)
    23         400,000         Somalia, 1991-present
    24         400,000         North Korea up to 2006 (own people)
    25         300,000         Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1990s
    26         300,000         Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
    27         240,000         Colombia, 1946-58; 1964-present
    28         200,000         Yugoslavia, Tito regime, 1944-80
    29         200,000         Guatemala, 1960-96
    30         190,000         Laos, 1975-90
    31         175,000         Serbia against Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, 1991-1999
    32         150,000         Romania, 1949-99 (own people)
    33         150,000         Liberia, 1989-97
    34         140,000         Russia against Chechnya, 1994-present
    35         150,000         Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
    36         140,000         Kuwait War, 1990-91
    37         130,000         Philippines: 1946-54 (10,000); 1972-present (120,000)
    38         130,000         Burma/Myanmar, 1948-present
    39         100,000         North Yemen, 1962-70
    40         100,000         Sierra Leone, 1991-present
    41         100,000         Albania, 1945-91 (own people)
    42         80,000         Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
    43         75,000         Iraq, 2003-present (domestic)
    44         75,000         El Salvador, 1975-92
    45         70,000         Eritrea against Ethiopia, 1998-2000
    46         68,000         Sri Lanka, 1997-present
    47         60,000         Zimbabwe, 1966-79; 1980-present
    48         60,000         Nicaragua, 1972-91 (Marxists/natives etc,)
    49         51,000         Arab-Israeli conflict 1950-present
    50         50,000         North Vietnam, 1954-75 (own people)
    51         50,000         Tajikistan, 1992-96 (secularists against Islamists)
    52         50,000         Equatorial Guinea, 1969-79
    53         50,000         Peru, 1980-2000
    54         50,000         Guinea, 1958-84
    55         40,000         Chad, 1982-90
    56         30,000         Bulgaria, 1948-89 (own people)
    57         30,000         Rhodesia, 1972-79
    58         30,000         Argentina, 1976-83 (own people)
    59         27,000         Hungary, 1948-89 (own people)
    60         26,000         Kashmir independence, 1989-present
    61         25,000         Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)
    62         22,000         Poland, 1948-89 (own people)
    63         20,000         Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)
    64         20,000         Chinese-Vietnamese war, 1979
    65         19,000         Morocco: war against France, 1953-56 (3,000) and in Western Sahara, 1975-present (16,000)
    66         18,000         Congo Republic, 1997-99
    67         10,000         South Yemen, 1986 (civil war)

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 11:03 AM

Good to see you making hay bruce.

The US was worn down by the longest lasting wars on several fronts.
Syria and the Ukraine were just several wars to many for the country to bear.

The US has a terrible record in preventing genocides and holocausts.
War mongers have a military Pez toy. They press the button and another war candy pops up. It is unwise to eat them all.

Surely you are not jealous of a Russian warm water port that can accommodate Russia's one and only aircraft carrier that needs towing much of the time?


I have more evidence regarding Poland that is not classified but expresses the lack of confidence in NATO after Trump tweets.

If you have a useful idiot it is important to use them immediately because - they tend to be IDIOTS. They have a tendency to have a short shelf life.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 10:24 AM

So Hillary helping the Russians to control most of the Uranium in this country for moneuy does not imply that she would continue to act in their interest, but Trump's past friendships with Putain does?

Shame on you, Jeri.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 09:53 AM

Way to avoid talkin about the subject, Bruce.
There's no "Hillary" or "Obama" involved in this.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 09:45 AM

Donuel,

I doubt that Trump is any more compromised than Hillary would be.

As for standing down, you mean like Obama has been doing in regards to the Russian aggression over the last 8 years?

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 09:31 AM

"By this Valentines day Putin will make a big move and Trump's alliance with Putin will be exposed by a move by Putin while Trump will react by hamstringing NATO or by simply giving stand down orders through the summer.
You may think my claims are over the top, but Trump is already compromised by Putin espionage."


This is the kind of prediction conservatives should attack.
I wish they would but loyalty to Trump may outrank loyalty to the nation yet again. If you don't get it, just chalk it up to psychic nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 09:03 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/07/ukraine-russia-crimea-naval-base-tatars-explainer

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 09:01 AM

First my condolences go out to the State Department, EPA, Energy, Education HUD , CIA, Interior HHS and the NIH.

Second my condolences to all the scientists who will be purged by rumor and prior work with climate change and other issues that conservatives deem unreligious.

As I have said the Government is structured to prevent private sweetheart deals. I suggest civil servants keep their had down and cooperate with trusted Justice Dept Constitutional patriots.

NO ONE is talking about what is on the horizon.

By this Valentines day the Putin Trump alliance will be exposed by a move by Putin and Trump hamstring NATO or by stand down orders.
You may think my claims are over the top, but Trump is already compromised.

I am not anti Russian in fact I think they deserve their wish to finally have a warm water port in Crimea. The way it is done matters.

Having the POTUS literally sell out to Putin for personal profit is not the way it should be done.


The actors are in play, only the timing is unsure.

What Russia wants is high oil prices. They are beginning to already get that. No more sanctions and annexed territory is next.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 05:58 AM

Ake got it about half right, Trump is a Mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Stu
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 04:36 AM

"the fight now is against Global Capitalism and that is an issue that left right and centre can unite against."

But you support Trump, and he represents the worst in global capitalism and is turning the US into a corporate authoritarian state with help from the Russians. How could the left support this?

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Dec 16 - 04:30 AM

"The CIA should have been scrapped years ago, "
Can agree with that but almost certainly not for the same reason as you.
I believe them to be an unregulated terrorist organisation there to ascertain that American interests prevail throughout the world - you, I am sure, are pissed off because they've done their job properly this time in blowing the gaff on your friend Trump
Trade deals can be as oppressive as war - and even the cause of them.
Mutual humanitarian assistance and full co-operation is what is needed - we quite possibly wouldn't be watching the bloodbath that is happening in Alleppo as spectators and doing nothing if we had that.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 08:13 PM

"From: Donuel - PM
Date: 10 Dec 16 - 12:37 PM

When $ became free speech, when elections are decided by Courts and the Citizens United case allowed foreign $ to be used in super PACs the stage was set for no holds barred from crooked elections.

No one doubts the results of the election will not change but what I as an American will call a Constitutional Crises are all the Senators and representatives who willingly support Russian covert actions because they liked the result. Can we prove treason? Only if can prove who knew what and when did they know it - and that is nearly impossible.

Comey knew about the Russians efforts hacking only Democrats. All the Intelligence agencies knew for 6 months but Trump throws them under the bus and does not believe or trusts them."

some of the info above is only now legally declassified.




I admit American regime change is far bloodier than hacked email with dubious interpretation before an election.

"To win an election it is not who has the most votes, its who counts the votes."
Vladimir Putin

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 07:48 PM

I will answer your stupid question. Sigh. No, Trump is not Jewish. He does however worship $.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 05:45 PM

The CIA should have been scrapped years ago, maybe Mr Trump IS the Messiah?
Certainly making trade deals is much better than making WAR.

US interventionism has cost millions of lives, most of it promoted covertly by the CIA. It has destabilised all of the Middle East and most of North Africa, not to mention the business in Latin America.
As I said earlier the world has changed, there is no Cold War between political ideologies, the working class are no more, fragmented and disillusioned, the fight now is against Global Capitalism and that is an issue that left right and centre can unite against.
Time you people wakened and realised that like Rip Van Winkle you have been asleep for decades.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 02:47 PM

+For all you white nationalists over in the UK you have a partner in Trump Putin and their media machine of the Times, NewsMax, RT and more.

Trump automatically defends Russia to the point of calling the CIA and other American agencies full of crap. A generation go the CIA did miss the end of the cold war. They did hire know nothings to start a torture program for Cheney Bush.

Now that the CIA has been condemned by Trump is there any hope of reconciliation?

Just like retiring MI5, this is weird.

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: bobad
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 10:34 AM

Exxon has a $500 billion deal in Russia on the shelf due to sanctions imposed by the US for Putin's adventures in Crimea and Ukraine. Gee, do you think those sanctions will be lifted by "President" Trump on the advice of his Secretary of State?

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: Stu
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 10:17 AM

Rex 'not in my backyard' Tillerson, ExxonMobil CEO as Secretary of State. A man whose company not only lied about climate change when they had proof it was happening, but also reconfigured their multinational business to take advantage of the air of science denial, misleading gullible investors own the process.

Oh, Tillerson is right up the arse of Putin too. What a coincidence!

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: bobad
Date: 13 Dec 16 - 08:33 AM

Another dict...er president, Erdogan of Turkey, is playing Trump like a fish on the line.

Story here: Turkey's blackmail of Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Washington Post breaking news
From: meself
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 12:37 PM

Trump and the Chinese leadership deserve each other. Unfortunately, it will be the rest of us and them that pay the price for their ambitions.