BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 01:42 PM

Should we give London a taste of shock and awe for harboring these ecological terrorist? ;D

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 11:19 AM

Just in case someone has not read the other thread on what was involved in the leadup to the accident, I will repost this from that thread:

"The "Deepwater Horizon" was a drilling platform... it was being prepared to move to another location so a pumping platform could come in and extract the oil.
The explosion was a result of trying to simplify and shorten the process of attaching the pumping platform. As they were sealing the pipe in order to move, they used seawater instead of 'drilling mud' to block the pipe while final disconnections were mead. Drilling mud would have taken a couple of weeks to 'clear', and delayed the start of pumping oil. There was a flawed seal which was not tested properly which allowed pressure to 'blow out' the seal and send high-pressure water & oil up and cause the explosion & fire.
It was partially greed & impatience and careless maintenance by BOTH BP and the operators that led to the failure, but there was a big argument in the hours before the fire as to how to do the sealing... **BP** overruled those doing the work and told them to use the shortcut....and then claimed "We aren't the operators."

Now....the point is..no matter who was actually on the drilling crew, BP was giving the orders as to how to do the intended sealing

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 10:31 AM

Funny? ya gots a strange sense of humor! ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 09:46 AM

Have you seen the video of the gas pump that has the sign DO NOT LEAVE PUMP UNATTENDED. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SPILLS.
The funny part is, in the background is a BP sign!

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 10 - 09:26 AM

But profit at the expense of safety and legality?

But of COURSE ! At the expense of any and every thing. That's The BuShite/Douggite dogma.

Its why the U.S. is headed for the crapper.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 09:20 PM

Virginia Tam, the site says the article is being prepared and should be ready in 5 minutes- some hours ago; the 5 minute wait is still a 5 minute wait.
You can find the story at SFGate, the San Francisco Chronicle site.

"If you search for news and information about the oil spill on the internet, your first result will be a link to BP's website that the tagline describes as "how BP is helping." That's because the company has purchased "oil spill" as words through Google and Yahoo. "Oil spill" has been among the top searches on Google, twitter and Yahoo for several weeks."
"To add insult to injury, the better source of information is the website of the Unified Command, which includes BP and Transocean as well as the government agencies involved in the cleanup."
(bold letters mine).

Obama previously criticized BP for buying $50 million in television advertizing .............

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 08:34 PM

JThe Trans-Alaska Pipeline, partly owned by BP, shut down on Tuesday after spilling several thousand barrels of crude oil into backup containers, drastically cutting supply down the main artery between refineries and Alaska's oilfields.

The accident comes at a difficult time for BP -- the largest single owner of the pipeline operator, holding 47 percent -- as it struggles to plug a gushing Gulf of Mexico oil well.

The shutdown followed a series of mishaps that resulted from a scheduled fire-command system test at Pump Station 9, about 100 miles south of Fairbanks, said Alyeska Pipeline Service Co, the operator of the 800-mile oil line.

The power outage triggered opening of relief valves, causing an unspecified volume of crude oil to overflow a storage tank into a secondary containment. There were no injuries, but the approximately 40 people at the work site were evacuated, Alyeska spokeswoman Michele Egan said.

North Slope oil producers have cut their flow into the pipeline's Prudhoe Bay intake station to 16 percent of their normal rates, Egan said. There is enough storage capacity to allow the line to be shut down for 48 hours as long as producers maintain the 16 percent flow rate, she said.

It is unclear how long the shutdown will last.

"We're going to take as long as we need to make sure the site is safe before we start back up," Egan said. Supply problems in the pipeline potentially disrupt tanker shipments to refineries.

The volume of spilled oil is unknown. "We've estimated the spill is several thousand barrels," she said. All has been held within the secondary containment, which has capacity to hold 104,500 barrels, she said. The amount spilled is "nowhere near" the containment area's capacity, she added.

Alyeska is a consortium owned by five oil companies. Major owners are BP, ConocoPhillips and Exxon Mobil. Unocal and Koch hold minor shares.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 04:15 PM

while I agree hat any companies involved in this accident should share responsibilty for the clean up and cost of lives, I don't agree with the term bigot in the thread title. Hypocrite might be more appropriate.


Following link does not help BP look better to the public. Are they stupid or what?

BP buys internet search terms to divert searchers away from oil spill news

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 12:09 AM

What Q said. Take BP out of the picture entirely. Pick the major oil company with the best safety record over the last 10 years, give them blank check to do whatever they can to stop the leak and clean up the spill, and send BP the bill.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: SINSULL
Date: 31 May 10 - 05:50 PM

Kendall,
I am surprised at your question. We'll just blow it off the face of the earth and be done with it,

Sorry, my toe hurts and I am getting as much mileage out of it as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 May 10 - 01:35 PM

Only another oil company with personnel experienced in deep water could take over. That might add transparency to procedures, but abilities the same.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: kendall
Date: 31 May 10 - 07:01 AM

Everything they have tried has failed. This is the worst environmental disaster in our history. Blaming gets us no where. BP is responsible and they should be forced to do whatever it takes to clean up their mess.
These people who are howling that the government should take over the operation are not being realistic. Who is there in the government that is qualified to do that? Bobby Jindal is making a lot of noise but it's mostly political; he wants Obama to fail just like that bloviating fathead, Limbaugh.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 30 May 10 - 11:58 PM

"These vessels cost about half a billion dollars, and are usually contracted by oil majors before they are built, and there are anxious companies waiting for one of them to become available."

I know where they can find an idle one, only slightly singed, and water-logged. It comes with its own lubrication, too.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 05:30 PM

Much of what ABC News reported appeared earlier in the NY Times:
www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/business/09bp.html

Operation of the Atlantis platform in the Gulf of Mexico currently under investigation.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 05:21 PM

The ABC report by Thomas, Jones, Cloherty and Ryan, "BP's Dismal Safety Record," May 27, 2010. ABC World News.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 05:17 PM

ABC News:
"In two separate disasters prior to the oil rig explosion, 30 BP workers have been killed and more than 200 seriously injured.
"In the last five years ..... BP has admitted to breaking U. S. environmental and safety laws and committing outright fraud. BP paid $373 million in fines to avoid prosecution'"
"According to the Center for Public Integrity, in the last three years, BP refineries in Ohio and Texas have accounted for 97% of the "egregious, willful" violations handed out by OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration).
"OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable violation."

In the Texas City disaster, BP "paid $50 million in criminal fines....and acknowledged violating the Clean Air Act."
It also was fined $21 million by OSHA for safety violations.

MMS fined BP for a near blowout at an offshore rig in 2002.

The Prudhoe Bay pipeline break dumped oil into Prudhoe Bay. Caused by failure to detect corrosion in the pipeline; it had stopped sending probes to detect corrosion in the line as a cost-cutting measure. BP was fined by MMS.

Tony Hayward, the boy wonder exec, has slashed 7500 jobs and made $4 billion in cuts to expenses.

I can find more.....

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 04:29 PM

But profit at the expense of safety and legality?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: DougR
Date: 30 May 10 - 04:19 PM

Mousethief: "There is nothing in what Obama has said that has anything to do with nationalism."

I certainly agree with you, Mousethief, were it true, it would be a first!

Kendall: "They (BP) are still motivated by profit first and safety second."

Of course profit is their motivation! If it weren't the shareholders would certainly be looking around for a new CEO! As to the importance of safety to the company, that's more a matter of opinion unless there are facts to support the statement. I know that the Texas City explosion was a terrible one for which BP was responsible but what is their overall record?

DougR

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:56 PM

More of trying to do it on the cheap-

Internal memos at BP- On June 22, BP engineers expressed concern that the metal casing the company wanted to use might collapse under high pressure.
"This would certainly be a worst-case scenario," Mark E. Hafle, a senior drilling engineer at BP, warned in an internal report. "However, I have seen it happen so know it can occur."
BP went ahead with the casing, but only after getting special permission from BP colleagues because it violated the company's safety policies and design standards.
BP documents released last week to The Times revealed that company officials knew the casing was the riskier of two options.

"Documents show early worries about safety of rig," NY Times May 29, 2010. Ian Urbina, reporter.
The use of the light weight casing was noted elsewhere, as I noted in one of these threads.

Terribus is wrong- the drilling crew was entirely BP crew and supervised by BP employees.
Transocean owned and cared for the rig, but the drilling program was entirely BP's.

BP was lucky (?) that the blowout did not occur at the previous well, also risky in that wells drilled to that depth (c. 35000 feet) and in a mile of water are entering a realm at the limit of possibility, and in case of blowout there are no tested cures except drilling offset wells, which takes months.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 May 10 - 10:13 AM

"...somewhat in part to blame..."

That's big of you.

What about the Wall St. Journal article to which I referred?   How many details do you need before it penetrates your brain that BP by its decisions must bear the lion's share of responsibility for this disaster?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 30 May 10 - 06:47 AM

There was NO BP Drilling Crew

Transocean own and operate the rigs they provide the crew

Were they running casing at the time then a specialist casing sub-contractor would put a crew out to do that job, once the casing is set they then turn the drill floor back to the Transocean Crew who would then drill the well.

Was BP to blame, I have no idea, based on what I have read so far, it would not surprise me if they are somewhat in part to blame. Are they responsible? undoubtedly. You are talking about operations right at the leading edge of the technology currently available in this depth of water and at this depth of well they are pioneering.

Something like being a passenger in a taxi and you are in a hurry. You instruct the taxi driver to run a red light, or urge him to go faster or overtake. If there is an accident, a collision, you as the passenger would not be charged, the taxi driver would as he should have exercised better judgement as he was in charge of the car.

Could BP fire Transocean, yes of course they could but it would be highly unlikely as it would have cost them too much in terms of time and money. As stated above there are not that many rigs that can drill in this depth of water.

Nobody complained about BP when they discovered the latest "Elephant" in deep water in Gulf Of Mexico a few months ago, no talk of incompetence then. The discovery of that field will radically alter oil imports for the US

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 29 May 10 - 04:49 PM

And had a long and verifiable history of cutting corners, two factors of 10 that than their competitors. Are all Brits this unscrupulous (or incompetent) in their business practices? Can't possibly be. This must be about BP in particular, not their nation of origin.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 May 10 - 04:14 PM

BP cut corners. That's not bigotry. That's fact.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 May 10 - 03:06 PM

Fire Transocean?
Transocean is an owner and builder of large semisubmersible vessels which are towed to drill sites. "Rig" is hardly the word for them.

Maersk and Keppelfels are other builders and leasors.
These vessels cost about half a billion dollars, and are usually contracted by oil majors before they are built, and there are anxious companies waiting for one of them to become available.

This Keppelfels description is good and gives an idea of their size.

DSS38

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 10 - 02:35 PM

Could BP not have fired Transocean and hire someone else had they not obeyed orders? If not, why not?

A BP official expressed surprise at what happened, saying, "I didn't think an oil well would do that!"

He considers himself an oil man, and had never seen a gusher before!?

. . . paper-pushing, bean-counting desk jockey. . . .

Mike Williams said that they didn't think that the job couldn't be speeded up, but they didn't believe it would be safe and prudent to do so. The BP official was very insistent and demanding. What Williams and the others on the drilling rig were afraid might possibly happen is what did happen, but it was far worse than they anticipated.

No, the ultimate responsibility belongs to BP, and as I say above, it does not matter if it's BP, Exxon, Shell, or anyone else, they are ultimately responsible and "bigotry" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 May 10 - 02:26 PM

Transocean has nothing to do with the BP drilling crew, which was under the direction of BP supervisors.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 May 10 - 02:20 PM

"...another matter..."


OK, Teribus, is BP blameless?   Yes or no.   No tome necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Guest Teribus
Date: 29 May 10 - 01:11 AM

1. Transocean provides the rig and crew to operate it. They (Transocean?) can do nothing in regard to the drilling except give advice.

Absolute rubbish, BP are the Operator of the Field or concession (i.e. the licence holder), Transocean are the specialist contractor brought in to drill the well, as specialist contractor they are responsible to see that they operate safely, they are responsible for ensuring that their equipment is well maintained and "fit for purpose", they are responsible for checking and verifying that CPI (Company Provided Items) issued to them by BP are in good order and "fit for purpose" in relation to their (Transocean's) equipment, methods and operating procedures. As Operator BP is ultimately responsible irrespective, whether or not they are to blame or at fault is another matter entirely.

2. When first drilling down, a BP manager ordered a faster pace Due to the faster pace, the bottom of the well split open and the well had to be abandoned, costing BP millions.

I take it then that on that particular occasion Transocean could not have felt in the mood for giving advice.

<3.>A rig accident damaged the annular at the top of the blowout preventer. The crew sealed the pipe, but too much force was applied, and chunks of the rubber annular came up in the drilling fluid.
The supervisor said it was no big deal.

A rig accident? Did something hit the top of the blow-out preventer as it stood on deck? If so Transocean at fault for not having protective cap in place; not employing safe crane operating procedures; poor crane operation. I say Transocean as BP would not be involved in any of the above. Was the top of the BOP struck by something under water? Again it is Transocean at fault they are physically carrying out the work, it is their hands that are on the levers, and it is their judgement that is used with regard to when those levers are pulled and things landed on.

The crew sealed the pipe, but too much force was applied? Again the men making up that "crew" would be Transocean's responsibility, working under direct Transocean supervision in accordance with Transocean's standard operating procedures.

<4.> It will be some time before the investigative committee reports, but it looks like a sloppy, careless crew were on the drill floor and mud control procedures were overridden by BP supervisor.

Ah! so now the "Nurnberg Defence" holds good does it? "I was only following orders". Again complete and utter rubbish. Transocean were there as the specialists, the experts, that is why they were given the contract, if they were asked to do anything that they thought compromised the safety of the job they should have refused to do it. It is called maintaining your professional integrity.

PS: He (Mike Williams)stated that an official from BP complained that the drilling procedure was taking too long and costing too much money. He ordered changes in the normal drilling practices and insisted that they "speed it up!"

Normal operating condition, from personal experience Operators the world over always complain that the drilling is taking too long and costing too much. He can order all he wants, he can demand and stamp and shout, He is incapable of actually implementing his orders or demands so if it is not safe then it does not get done if the senior members of the Transocean Team are doing their jobs correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 May 10 - 10:05 PM

See other thread for quotes from Wall Street Journal articles.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 May 10 - 10:05 PM

Though actually why a Marxist should want to defend one of the biggest multinationals in the world is, shall we say, a puzzlement. (I'm sure this point has already been raised but the thread is a bit long to check.)

So since his ire is directed against the US, perhaps he's a bit bitter about the outcome of the 1775-1783 unpleasantness.

Or perhaps he just wanted to guarantee the thread would be a long one. As we know, an incendiary thread title is a crucial element for that outcome.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 May 10 - 09:55 PM

"US bigots".   Oh, so all the critics of BP are disciples of Pat Robertson.   That's interesting.

WSJ:   26 May 2010:   "BP made choices over the course of the project that rendered this well more vulnerable to the blowout...."    There's a huge article on just what those choices were.

As they say, facts are stubborn things.

Though proud leftist lawyers cannot be expected to be interested--it might question their comfortable Manichean AKA Marxist view of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 May 10 - 05:13 PM

Mike Williams, who was working on the drilling rig, was interviewed very recently on "60 Minutes" on CBS (CLICKY). He stated that an official from BP complained that the drilling procedure was taking too long and costing too much money. He ordered changes in the normal drilling practices and insisted that they "speed it up!"

When experienced oil drillers protested, he—a paper-pushing, bean-counting desk jockey—ignored their cautionary advice and insisted that they do as he said.

Pretty harrowing! He and a co-worker, a young woman, had their choice between staying on the drilling platform and blowing up with it, or jumping into the water some 90 feet below.

It makes no difference whether it's BP, Exxon, Shell, or Charlie Farquarson and his backyard drilling rig, the kind of greed and carelessness that leads to disasters of this sort is to be condemned.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 May 10 - 04:48 PM

Transocean provides the rig and crew to operate it. They can do nothing in regard to the drilling except give advice.

"The rig's regulations state that in the event of such an emergency, the two top managers- on April 20 they were BP's senior person on the rig, Donald Vidrine, and Transocean's installation manager, Mr. Harrell- were to go to the drilling floor and evaluate the situation jointly. But once the gas hit, neither was able to get to the area."

These rigs have no fire pumps, so the fire couldn't be fought (impossible anyhow, with the rush of gas up the pipe).

All of those killed were American, including the well-known driller, Dewey Revette.
See other thread for more comments from the WSJ article, which includes pictures of the 11 killed.

The BP executives on board, and senior transocean crew, escaped.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: PoppaGator
Date: 28 May 10 - 03:52 PM

On the morning before the explosion, the Transamerica guys were reportedly arguing for observation of various safety measures but were overruled by their employers from BP. This report has been slow in emerging largely because the leaders among the Transamerica group didn't survive the explosion.

So, Joe, don't be so quick to shift blame from the owner to the subcontractor.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 May 10 - 01:37 PM

The BP executives I have mentioned in this and the other thread mostly had experience in the Russian oil fields, with TNK-BP. I wonder if the Russian tendency toward corruption and shortcuts infect them?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 10 - 01:15 PM

Mousethief-

I was being sarcastic but forgot to color the font the appropriate color.

Sorry for the confusion.

BP fucked up big-time. But it was no accident. It was the consequence of their on-going corporate strategy of maximizing profits at the expense of safety concerns.

I hope that's a clearer statement.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 27 May 10 - 11:59 PM

Um, Charley, if BP is egregiously out of regulation with hazardous conditions compared to other oil companies, in what way is it anti-British to point this out? Should we kid-glove the British because they're too delicate to play with the big boys? I think that's more anti-British than letting the chips fall where they may. Pull up your big-boy pants and admit with the rest of the world that BP fucked up royal.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 May 10 - 09:33 PM

MMS was controlled by the oil companies. It is a corrupt agency corrupted by those companies who wrote their regulatory rules.

This has nothing to do with Britain. It has to do with a corrupt oil company as most of them are. Corporations own most countries, these days and control their governments.

I don't care how much oil company technicians or executives are paid, they are still corrupt.

The problem is that corporations have become the new fascism in most parts of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spil
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 May 10 - 09:06 PM

Richard-

Here's more evidence of US bias toward BP, which I posted in a related thread:

What I'm struck with is BP's track record for producing and refining oil (from ABC News this evening). They seem to have done quite well in terms of maximizing profit but by running risks in production, at least until the current ongoing disaster. Here's a sample of how they've operated compared with other major oil producers:

"OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations"

This compares with less than 10 such incidents from any of the other major oil producers.

This was an accident waiting to happen and unfortunately it did.

"All the king's horses and all the king's men won't put the Gulf of Mexico together again."

You may quote me.

Feel free to crawl out from whatever rock you're hiding under to respond.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 10 - 06:00 PM

Well, I'm going to blame Transocean, Ltd.. It's the company that owned the drilling rig. It's incorporated in Switzerland and previously in the Cayman Islands.
I never did trust a cayman. They have those big, wicked-looking teeth.
Then again, this article puts the blame on BP-America (formerly AMOCO, formerly Standard Oil of Indiana), and for good reason.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 27 May 10 - 05:12 PM

My wife read that somebody is offering a t-shirt that says, "BP: Bringing Oil to America's Shores" (or something close to that). I think I may buy one.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 May 10 - 02:48 PM

Ebbie, I discussed that in the other thread and added a link to John Hofmeister-Pozzi comments.

Simmons is a banker.

Pozzi has had engineering experience with Saudi Aramco and his company is active in service to several oil companies, hence is worth listening to. John Hofmeister is ex-president of Shell.

Songbob, BP cut corners and expenses- it now looks like they used thinner pipe then called for. These decisions were made in the Houston office (all, or nearly all, Americans) and by the onboard supervisors (Again, salaried employees).
Should the CEO and others in the head office have known about this? They probably did, but deferred to the managers on the spot.

Tony Hayward, the BP CEO, is a 'boy wonder', who shot up the ladder like a rocket. His skills are in management, not in science or engineering. He is a delegator as far as local operations of BP are concerned. Perhaps he should have a better knowledge of exploration procedures, and exercise more control; I don't know. He is not coming across as a thinker in his comments on TV and to the press; he trys the minimize the effects of the disaster.

Salary- $1 million pounds, bonus each year about $1 million pounds- I noted this in the thread with a less controversial title.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 27 May 10 - 02:06 PM

Richard, I will admit to being biased.

Biased against incompetent, greedy motherfucking multi-national corporations who kill off the Goddamned Gulf of Mexico. Hell, you could say that BP is biased against Mexico, so they shat in their (Mexico's) Gulf. That statement is as factual and logical as any of the horse-shit you've been dropping here.

Get a life! Congress blamed the guys at the top (you know, the ones making all the fucking money till their own incompetence and interference with their hired sub-contractors screwed up the well and stopped the flow of money into their pockets) and you bitched. Get over it.

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 May 10 - 07:31 PM

Q - and everyone else - are you going to read Alice's link in the other thread where two oil men discuss what they believe is going on?

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 May 10 - 05:54 PM

Commentators on CNN and in the press are talking of a developing boycott of BP. This would hurt the little franchise owner more than BP.
I have posted this in the other thread as well; think before you show your disapproval of BP operations in this particular way.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: mousethief
Date: 26 May 10 - 05:31 PM

I'd say that WITH evidence they were queuing up to condemn the company that is in charge of the operation. If they were from the moon I think they'd still do so.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 May 10 - 05:13 PM

What did they actually say, Richard? My guess is that if it was derogatory it had to do with BP's past record. And that, it seems to me, should be valid criticism.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 May 10 - 05:10 PM

My anger is based on the fact that without any then evidence US pundits were queuing up to condemn the only company in the principal frame that was not wholly American - London based British Petroleum.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 May 10 - 03:38 PM

What's with Richard? He obviously harbors tremendous irrational anger, but I can't tell if it's based upon hatred of the US, blind loyalty to a multinational corporation, or extreme insecurity about being British.

"...A corporation that looks more and more culpable every day." No foolin' ~ seems like every day's news reveals yet another coverup or outright lie.

Subject: RE: BS: US bigots attack British Company (oil spill)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:21 PM

A NY Times report today supports some of Mike Williams charges. It will be some time before the investigative committee reports, but it looks like a sloppy, careless crew were on the drill floor and mud control procedures were overridden by BP supervisor.

Day 37 and no progress....