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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: dick greenhaus Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:40 PM seems as if the good pastor jumped off the train his ownself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:19 PM No argument there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:17 PM A politician goes where the wind blows- all of this talk of 'change' sounds good, but when one is elected and has to deal with 200 obstreperous comgressmen, its wheel and deal, gain a little here, lose a little there. Clinton sounds a little more realistic, but it's all blarney from both of them (apologies to the Irish side of my ancestry). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: pdq Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:13 PM Jeremiah Wright also said that AIDS was invented by the White man as means of genocide against the Black man. How much do some of you need to hear? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Riginslinger Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:13 PM Q - I saw quite a bit of the Moyers interview, I think, on C-Span. The Weekend in Washington thing. I agree that he came off very composed and seemed to make some good points. If he had stopped there, I don't think anything more would have become of it, but he upped the ante at the NAACP forum, and then ran completely off the reservation in front of the press corps meeting the following day. Have you seen some of the clips that Fox News has put together from that last presentation? If Obama becomes the nominee, they'll run those clips 24 hours a day clear into November. On a positive note, it's heart warming to see a politician treat a preacher the way preachers everywhere ought to be treated, for the betterment of mankind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:09 PM Q, I am probably one of the few people in this forum who both watched the Moyers program AND read the transcript. Ditto Wright's address to the NAACP. And his speech to the National Press Club, and the Q & A session which followed. Both watched the video in it's entirety and read the transcripts. He did not mention any of the inflammatory comments specifically in the Moyers interview, which was a very sympathetic, softball interview. He only alluded to them as soundbites. However, that tenor changed dramatically by the time he was doing his Q & A before the National Press Club, where he was hostile and rude to the moderator, where he was extremely belligerent toward the press, and where he not only made no attempt to skirt the issue of the videotapes of his sermons, but went well beyond the pale as he reiterated those remarks, rationalized them, and then claimed the attacks weren't on him, but "The Black Church". Now, all that is problematic on so many levels and from so many angles, most people don't even know where to grab on to the story to make any sense out of it. The thoughtful, subdued man on Moyers was not the same man who was belligerent and in your face at the National Press Club a few short days later. So what "truth" do you think Moyers got? Because I felt after watching that interview, that Moyers didn't get anywhere. I didn't know anything more about Wright than I did before he sat down with Moyers for the interview. Don't forget, I've been following the Obama campaign stories through the Chicago media too, for well over a year now. The Rev Wright story isn't a new one, by any means. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Jim Lad Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:04 PM So now that he's thrown Wright from the train.... can we forget about the speech where he said it was all our fault or are we still just a bunch of bigots for not liking his pastor? Oh! And what about his poor ould grandmother? You know.... I'm getting really sick of being preached at! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 29 Apr 08 - 09:38 PM I am a Clinton supporter, and not a Christian, but I have to agree with Bobert on this one. I guess no one watched Bill Moyer and Jeremiah Wright on PBS, a one-hour interview. Wright put his comments in context as they were in his sermon. He came across as an intelligent and thoughtful man, who explained his comments from biblical and common sense viewpoints. Anyone who has ever attended a southern give-it-to-them sermon in a Black church would understand, and if in attendance perhaps would have been vocally re-enforcing his points with a "Yes, Lord." This type of sermon is completely foreign to white Americans who have never experienced life in areas with a large black community. Of course, Wright also is a spell-binder and a salesman, otherwise he would never collect a large flock. Unfortunately, the interview can only be had for some $25-30 on disc; it should be on the web free so at least a few more people can understand where he is coming from. There is no way that Obama can support Wright and hope to win the vote of white Americans. It takes a Bill Moyers to get the truth and more time and space than any politician can hope to get in the media; even Obama supporters on CNN, etc., would not take the time to explain because most people had already closed their minds and would not take the time to listen! Obama was forced to throw Wright off the train when the media and the public showed that they would never listen nor understand. Not the first time that sacrifices were deemed necessary in a political campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Apr 08 - 09:11 PM Gigi- There are several explanations for Wright's recent behavior: 1. He is retired and feels a need to prove that he is not senile 2. He is bitter that his prize protegee has rejected him 3. He has accepted money from conservative Republicans to "do whatever he wants" 4. He sincerely believes what he has said and thinks that what he can say is more important than a primary battle between two liberal Democrats Or all of the above! It's all about Rev. Wright at this point and the national media are delighted to exploit him. What a story! There is another theory, that he's doing this for Obama's own good, so he won't win the Democratic Primary and be assassinated, but that one is too wild even for me. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 08 - 08:34 PM Jeremiah Wright '08 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 07:45 PM But this pastor is NOT outside the African American mainstream. And if even one other prominent African Americans leaps into the fray to defend Wright, what then? It's still a huge mess, no matter what way you try and spin it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Donuel Date: 29 Apr 08 - 07:36 PM Whoring with psychotic pastors is usually the domain of the right. At least Obama had the common sense to finally call this pastor to be outside the mainstream and out of his mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 08 - 07:28 PM Gotta a nice little beat to it, Spawzer... I'd give it a solid "7".... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Apr 08 - 06:38 PM With apologies to Kris Kristofferson........ Help Me Make It Into June Throw the Reverend from the train Let the wheels slice through his ass Hope his balls get smashed as well And make his dick a pulpy mass Could a coupler knock him dead And flip him off into a ditch? Throw the Reverend off the train Gotta' beat that fuckin' bitch. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Riginslinger Date: 29 Apr 08 - 06:31 PM The problem is, are the Democrats stuck with him as a candidate, or is there still time to do something? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 06:15 PM I dunno. Did Wright actually do this act, so Obama COULD throw him under the bus and somehow salvage his sagging campaign? Or am I just too crazy to even think that? I also am not too sure it will be enough to save Obama's campaign anyway. As I said elsewhere yesterday, the Wright controversy is over a decade in the making, based on choices Obama obviously made when deciding to get into Chicago & Illinois politics as a way onto the national stage. Sticking by Wright through thick and thin has been a very serious error in judgment on Obama's part. Today, I can't help but wonder if it isn't too little, too late, and leaving far too many questions unanswered. And thinking it isn't just Wright's arrogance that is at the heart of it, but Obama's arrogance too. I've long viewed both Michelle and Barack as having a serious arrogance problem. This whole sordid mess seems to have confirmed it for me, not made me think he is finally pulling out of the woods with throwing the reverend off the train. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: beardedbruce Date: 29 Apr 08 - 04:48 PM Washington Post: ( will be gone in a few days) A Pastor at Center Stage And a Parishioner With Questions to Answer By George F. Will Tuesday, April 29, 2008; Page A17 Because John McCain and other legislators worry that they are easily corrupted, there are legal limits to the monetary contributions that anyone can make to political candidates. There are, however, no limits to the rhetorical contributions that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright can make to McCain's campaign. Because Wright is a gift determined to keep on giving, this question arises: Can persons opposed to Barack Obama's candidacy justly make use of Wright's invariably interesting interventions in the campaign? The answer is: Certainly, because Wright's paranoias tell us something -- exactly what remains to be explored -- about his 20-year parishioner. In yesterday's speech at the National Press Club, Wright repeated -- decorously, by his standards, but clearly -- his accusation, made the Sunday after Sept. 11, that America got what it deserved. His answer yesterday to a question about that accusation was: "Whatsoever you sow, that you also shall reap" and "you cannot do terrorism on other people and expect them never to come back on you." As evidence that "our government is capable of doing anything," he strongly hinted that he has intellectually respectable corroboration -- he mentioned several publications -- for his original charge that the U.S. government is guilty of "inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." But yesterday he insisted that he is not anti-American: It is, he said, Americans' government, not the American public, that is a genocidal perpetrator of terrorism. So, he now denies that America has a representative government -- that it represents the public. He believes that elections constantly and mysteriously -- and against the public's will -- produce a genocidal, terroristic government. Yesterday, Wright also espoused the racialist doctrine that blacks have "different" learning styles from others'. This doctrine of racially different brains, or of an unalterably different black culture, is a doctrine today used to justify various soft bigotries of low expectations regarding blacks, and especially black children. It has a long pedigree as a rationalization for injustices. Slaveholders and, later, segregationists loved it. Obama should be questioned about whether he agrees about "different" learning styles. It is, however, predictable that journalistic and political choruses will attempt to suppress such questioning by suggesting that it is somehow illegitimate. The "daisy ad" and "Willie Horton" will be darkly mentioned. There have been two television ads in presidential campaigns concerning which there is a settled consensus of deep disapproval. In both cases, the consensus about these acts of supposed mischief is mistaken. The first ad was used in 1964 by Lyndon Johnson against Barry Goldwater: A small girl plucked petals from a daisy as a voice counted down to a nuclear explosion. The ad, reflecting Johnson's fear that his large lead would cause complacency among his supporters, concluded with a voice saying: "The stakes are too high for you to stay home." Goldwater and many of his supporters were incensed. But Goldwater had said several things suggestive of a somewhat cavalier attitude about the use of force, including nuclear weapons. He had made his judgment a legitimate issue. In the spring of 1988, in a debate among candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination, Tennessee Sen. Al Gore used the matter of Willie Horton against Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis, one of Gore's rivals. Horton had been in a Massachusetts prison serving a life sentence for the murder of a boy he stabbed 19 times during a robbery. Horton was frequently released on weekend furloughs. Finally, he fled, kidnapped a couple, stabbed the man and repeatedly raped the woman. Because the ad, made by supporters of Vice President George Bush, included a photo of Horton, critics called it racist. But supporters of Bush argued that the Horton episode was emblematic of Massachusetts' political culture, or of a liberal mentality, pertinent to assessing Dukakis. When North Carolina Republicans recently ran an ad featuring Wright in full cry, McCain mounted his high horse, from which he rarely dismounts, and demanded that the ad be withdrawn. The North Carolinians properly refused. Wright is relevant. He is a demagogue with whom Obama has had a voluntary 20-year relationship. It has involved, if not moral approval, certainly no serious disapproval. Wright also is an ongoing fountain of anti-American and, properly understood, anti-black rubbish. His speech yesterday demonstrated that he wants to be a central figure in this presidential campaign. He should be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 08 - 04:47 PM No, Fantz, it is only "dabacle" in McMedia's eyes and that's the way that McMedia wants to keep it... This is about as much a non-story as I can rememeber in politics... It has lapped Willie Horton twice (Sorry, Willioe, but you can't outrun these guys...) There are real stories out there but they might lead to corporate crap like the FCC selling off what were supposed to be free airwaves... Yeah, media loves to keep it right where it is... Every day they can hold Obama down is a good day for McMedia... They sell lots of ads and they keep alot of conversations from occuring... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 04:12 PM NYT just posted a transcript of this afternoon's Obama press conference in NC. Here is the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/29text-obama.html?pagewanted=all |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 04:07 PM Sorry, but I ain't buyin' it's all the MSM's fault. This whole Wright debacle demonstrates extremely poor judgment on Obama's part. This wound is self-inflicted. That said, I do think he will likely stop the bleeding with the *second* press conference he called w/in 24 hours of Wright's National Press Club shenanigans. If the MSM doesn't back off by tomorrow, then you will have a case to make against them. But today? No, it is their job to cover this story, just like it was their job to cover it yesterday. I hope for the sake of the nation everybody transcends this crap, because there is far worse shit to deal with than a bunch of washed up black nationalist race baiters, hogging the airwaves and hijacking the election to further their personal agendas and vendettas. Do I sound bitter? ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Donuel Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:57 PM TIA is right and Wright is wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:57 PM >>From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:35 PM The very thing Wolfgang posted was similar to what the Governor of Pennsylvania said and got in hot water for. Sadly thouhg it is the truth. Here in the heartland you can bet your ass that Obama will have a tough time in November. There are still some folks who won't tolerate a black prez and others here won't have a woman. But of the two a woman comes out ahead every time. Racism is still alive and well although its insidious and often well hidden. A woman will always fare better at this point in time.<< What you say is true enough but the people who vote that way have been voting Republican for the last forty years and wouldn't vote for a white male Democrat who was eiter for Gun Control or Not anti-Gay Rights. I find it ironic that Hillary's main claim to be electable is that she can beat Obama head to head among people who will and always have overwhelmingly voted Republican in November. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:49 PM Same 'round these parts, Spawzer... As long as black folk act like white folk want them to act then everything is okee dokee but "step outta line the man come and t6ake you away"... That's 'bout as far as alot of white folks have come... Here's what makes the Reverand a problem for Obama: the media thinks this is the only story??? How 'bout some of the things that McCain's men of cloth have said??? Hmmmmmmm??? (Well, that;s okay, Boberdz... Them folks is white...) Yeah, racism has reared it's ugly head and it's coming our living rooms thru satalittes, rabbit ears and cable... And since media is white it has complete control of information and the conversations... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:48 PM I seem to be having a lot of trouble with my return key these days. Actually, I think a person--OK--a man of color could be elected fairly easily in the US, especially if it was Colin Powell for the Republicans. I think it just depends upon the person, and whether they are conservative. Conservative whites, even the racist ones, would go for Powell over a Clinton, IMO, even though there isn't much difference between the two ideologically. Think Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir. Non-traditional "change" candidates can be elected, but only if they are conservatives, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:35 PM The very thing Wolfgang posted was similar to what the Governor of Pennsylvania said and got in hot water for. Sadly thouhg it is the truth. Here in the heartland you can bet your ass that Obama will have a tough time in November. There are still some folks who won't tolerate a black prez and others here won't have a woman. But of the two a woman comes out ahead every time. Racism is still alive and well although its insidious and often well hidden. A woman will always fare better at this point in time. Obama can do it here but he's going to have to overcome much history with Rev. Wright and get back on track as a "healing non-politician." Tough row to hoe........This is the unstated backing for the Clinton challenge when they say she can carry the "big states." Everyone is going to have to bring this issue out from the depths and see what the Dems can do. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:26 PM From Reuters, just a few minutes ago: "Whatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed as a consequence of this," Obama said. Y'all will hear the rest of it soon enough. Consider Wright "off the train". Obama did the right thing, hit the right note with his comments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:26 PM Joe- I was thinking of initiating my own thread on this topic, titled "Rev. Wright - a Loose Canon." Of course I don't disagree with a lot of what he's actually saying but saying it loud and clear now at major news events, such as the Washington Press Club, can only provide aid and comfort to those who would like to see the Obama campaign derailed. Rev. Wright becomes the issue, rather than the campaign issues that voters should really be concerned about. I don't think Rev. Wright is going to retire quietly. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bobert Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:15 PM As others have argued, Fantz, you have it dead wrong in thinking this is Wright v. Obama, it's... ...Jeremiah v. McMedia and right now Jeremiah is ahead on points!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Wolfgang Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:14 PM Wright, in an interview, March 13, 2007 (yes, more than a year ago): Question: Do you think (Obama) will be President in two years? Wright: No. Unless Barak pulls off nationally what he was able to pull off locally, and wins the hearts and minds of people who have been perennially anti-black. Racism is so deeply engrained in this country that he could be flawless in terms of his policies. But he's still a black man in this country, which has a sorry history in terms of how it sees African-American males. That's my 65-year-old, jaded perception of where this country is. I was pleasantly surprised in the Senate election. I would like to be as pleasantly surprised in the presidential election. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Amos Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:11 PM That's why the "Popular Views" series was started. The hope was, one bin would serve for all the Obama chat, another for all the Bush junk, and another for all the McCain trash, and maybe one for the Hillary gunk. Unfortunately, every day is a new topic to some folks, not to mention every minute and every thought... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM I dunno' Joe.......I hate all the crap myself but we either stop it all (cries of censorship), let it all go and hope everyone including those on all sides can restrain themselves a bit (unlikely), or start 4 threads.........Clinton, Obama, McCain, Primary News. When the conventions come along allow two more then close them all after the conventions are both over and start three new ones. That's doable but will get some bitching. To me it just keeps all the political crappola within a few threads. On the other hand, if all the poli/sci fetishists will cough up 20 bucks apiece and send it in to the 'Cat, we can devote an entire section to the election! No dough, 4 threads. Spaw
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Apr 08 - 02:03 PM Another thread on "The Reverend," Janet? Multiple election threads is bad enough, multiple threads on individual candidates is worse, but having multiple threads on the candidates' pastors is going a bit too far, isn't it? See if you can restrain yourself and start no more than one new thread a day, willya? It has been stated before that starting more than one new thread a day is probably too many. If you can practice some self-restraint, maybe I won't have to put you on a diet. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bill D Date: 29 Apr 08 - 01:38 PM Exactly...once the line "just a politician" is on the table, anything Obama says can be tossed back at him by just cynically remarking.."See? He is just respondinglike a politician!" I'm not sure what anyone expects him to say... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 01:33 PM It also isn't a situation unique to African American identity politics. You see the same stuff in Latino/Latina identity politics, Native American identity politics...too many "old school" guys who don't like the upstarts outshining them. Another aspect of the phenomenon, is the old school guy hogging the limelight has usually lost the support of their community. I can't tell you how ugly it got in some of the communities I've worked in over the years. Like, really ugly. I can't stand Obama, but I do feel for him right now--and for all of us. Because the tired, old racial identity politics is NOT the road we should be heading down at this crucial juncture in American politics. And if I didn't know better, I'd really have to say--who got to Jeremiah Wright? You may have read the piece at Salon.com? They had one of those articles this morning. It was a good "say this" blurb. Honest to god, I don't know how the hell Obama ballet dances his way outta this one. I haven't a clue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Apr 08 - 01:12 PM I read a good piece this morning which I can't find now but was a suggested speech for Obama and probably about as good as he could do. This is the true rock and hard place dilemna. Additionally Wright has thrown in so much more than the original "problems" that almost anything said will have to be very carefully crafted. The idea that Obama is just a politician is probably the most hurtful to his momentum and campaigh in general. I like Obama although I'm certainly not one of his zealots but in this case I gotta' feel sorry for the dude! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bill D Date: 29 Apr 08 - 01:07 PM I used to work in the Civil Rights movement, and sadly, I met several guys with attitudes similar to Wright's..(without the overlay of 'reverend', thankfully) If Wright was not connected to Obama, we'd probably not hear of him, and it is beyond ridiculous to paint Obama with shadows of this man's rhetoric! The **MEDIA** is creating a self-fulfilling hypothesis with its rhetorical questions.."Can his ex-pastor's ideas derail Obama's campaign?" Obama has SAID he disavows Wright's ideas...but there sure are those who feel that keeping this issue alive might hurt him. I wonder who that might be? (he said cynically) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 12:34 PM I agree a bazillion percent, BillD. Obama should have cut him loose before he ever announced, when it would have been far easier to do than it will be now. This is a pile of shit, no matter which angle you are viewing it from, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Bill D Date: 29 Apr 08 - 12:30 PM http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/28/AR2008042802102.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 "Where Wright Goes Wrong By Eugene Robinson Tuesday, April 29, 2008; Page A17 We all have our crosses to bear. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has become Barack Obama's. I'm sorry, but I've had it with Wright. I would never try to diminish the service he performed as pastor of his Chicago megachurch, and it's obvious that he's a man of great charisma and faith. But this media tour he's conducting is doing a disservice that goes beyond any impact it might have on Obama's presidential campaign. The problem is that Wright insists on being seen as something he's not: an archetypal representative of the African American church. In fact, he represents one twig of one branch of a very large tree." more at link |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 12:27 PM Same was happening on the cable news (I too saw the piece w/Judy Woodruff). Lots of African American commentators from across the social and political spectrum. Pretty unanimous opinion. Consensus seems to be Wright is a loose cannon, and will take Obama down with him--so it's Time. Time to throw Wright off the train, or risk it leaving the station w/out Obama. Same is true on the African American blogsites today like theroot.com. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,TIA Date: 29 Apr 08 - 12:27 PM The entire Jeremiah Wright "controversy" is manufactured by Fox, Scarborough, et. al. By even being here talking about it, you (and now me) are feeding *those* trolls. It is classic propaganda - paint someone as the demon, make them fear the demon more than the very real problems they face, and convince them only you can save them. Will any disavowal of Wright's person or remarks truly affect the amount of money my kids will be paying to the Chinese, and whether I will lose any more cousins in Iraq? Congratualtions, this thread is right in line with MSM behaviour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Donuel Date: 29 Apr 08 - 12:24 PM I do not believe that bringing the pastor's remarks into the presidential election is an attack on the black church, as Wright said to the National Press Club. THat is merely a remark that is designed to cause trouble for anyone who would try to refute it. Wright might think he is shaping the debate or steering the conversation but sadly his self serving remarks do harm far beyond his personal focus. His behavior is human, full of foibles with grains of truth scattered like rice on black velvet, but unfortunately he will divide more than unite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Ebbie Date: 29 Apr 08 - 12:14 PM Last night on Newshour with Jim Lehrer there were talking heads discussing this situation with Judy Woodruff. All three of the men she was interviewing are black. Their consensus was that if Obama can transcend this situation, putting it where it belongs, he will have demonstrated that he is ready for the presidency. If not, he is not ready. hmmmm? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Donuel Date: 29 Apr 08 - 12:05 PM All Rev Wright needs to do now is get a diagnosis of Alzheimers. That is the only thing that might explain his behavior, either that or he has been bribed with everything he ever wanted by people who know how to bribe and extort with impunity. Joe Scarbourough is saying over and over that Obama is on a sinking ship. After 1,200 repetitions people might just believe the TV. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 11:55 AM That isn't what Mike Huckabee was saying last night on MSNBC. Not by a long shot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Apr 08 - 11:50 AM Mike Huckabee was right. because of his generation and his age and his service to the contry, we need to cut Wright some slack. Obama is doing what id right. He just needs to more strongly disavow Wright's statements. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: CarolC Date: 29 Apr 08 - 11:18 AM I really appreciate the way Obama is responding to the current Rev. Wright situation. It's his ability to respond to people in this way that made it possible for me to feel ok about voting for him this time around. I think I'm far from unique in feeling this way. I also think that for Obama to respond in kind would make him look weak rather than strong, and that would be a mistake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: pdq Date: 29 Apr 08 - 11:07 AM I can live with the revised edition. Thanks, Uncle Dave. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 29 Apr 08 - 11:01 AM pdq said, in part: Jeremiah Wright has raised his stature to the level of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in a matter of a few weeks. pdq, your sentence is not quite correct as written. It should more accurately say, Jeremiah Wright has raised his notoriety to the level of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in a matter of a few weeks. Or, even better, The media have helped Jeremiah Wright raise his notoriety to the level of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in a matter of a few weeks. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: Riginslinger Date: 29 Apr 08 - 11:01 AM "Throw the Reverend from the Train..." Toss 'em all. The world would be a better place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Throw the Reverend from the Train From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 29 Apr 08 - 10:13 AM Putting the old black vs white racial identity politics on the front page as a slugfest between a black preacher and a black politician is A Good Thing? Just how does THAT work, exactly? |
